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	<title>Comments on: Elderly gentleman shoots armed robbers at Internet cafe in&#160;Florida</title>
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		<title>By: GuyInMilwaukee</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/elderly-gentleman-shoots-armed.html#comment-1482247</link>
		<dc:creator>GuyInMilwaukee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now with more Yakety Sax!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ9R7faWQBs
Just glad no one died before their time.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now with more Yakety Sax!<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ9R7faWQBs" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ9R7faWQBs</a><br />
Just glad no one died before their time.</p>
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		<title>By: lava</title>
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		<dc:creator>lava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of this would have happened if there were no guns.</description>
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		<title>By: Spitty Sumo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/elderly-gentleman-shoots-armed.html#comment-1482243</link>
		<dc:creator>Spitty Sumo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the casing is the brass part; the actual bullet itself is the copper part at the tip, which is included in a couple of those examples.  but i meant &quot;bullet&quot; in the general colloquial sense, referring to the whole shebang -- even though the &quot;bang&quot; bits aren&#039;t there.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the casing is the brass part; the actual bullet itself is the copper part at the tip, which is included in a couple of those examples.  but i meant &#8220;bullet&#8221; in the general colloquial sense, referring to the whole shebang &#8212; even though the &#8220;bang&#8221; bits aren&#8217;t there.  </p>
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		<title>By: bo1n6bo1n6</title>
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		<dc:creator>bo1n6bo1n6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stay classy Florida.</description>
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		<title>By: DJBudSonic</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJBudSonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s some good video, I hope it gets lots of airplay so punks like that think twice before attempting armed robbery.  

I haven&#039;t read all the comments, but I will say this... love it or hate it, it was a successful end to the situation, for everyone but those two.  Plus, the guy looks pretty well trained.  He easily could have killed those two, but instead he ran them off.  I don&#039;t think I would have fired that last shot out the door, but who&#039;s to say?  I don&#039;t know what&#039;s outside that door any more than most viewers do.See his actions at the end of the clip - he steps back into a better and safer position, looking out the closing door, he looks back into the room, and checks his weapon. That is some serious Three Stoogery, those two tripping over each other busting out the door.  LOL the crabwalk as one flees, he&#039;s lucky to be alive.  And he didn&#039;t shoot the glass! 

P.S.  Do you think the people of the State of Florida have to pay for their medical treatment?  Or did they have insurance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s some good video, I hope it gets lots of airplay so punks like that think twice before attempting armed robbery.  </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t read all the comments, but I will say this&#8230; love it or hate it, it was a successful end to the situation, for everyone but those two.  Plus, the guy looks pretty well trained.  He easily could have killed those two, but instead he ran them off.  I don&#8217;t think I would have fired that last shot out the door, but who&#8217;s to say?  I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s outside that door any more than most viewers do.See his actions at the end of the clip &#8211; he steps back into a better and safer position, looking out the closing door, he looks back into the room, and checks his weapon. That is some serious Three Stoogery, those two tripping over each other busting out the door.  LOL the crabwalk as one flees, he&#8217;s lucky to be alive.  And he didn&#8217;t shoot the glass! </p>
<p>P.S.  Do you think the people of the State of Florida have to pay for their medical treatment?  Or did they have insurance?</p>
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		<title>By: Mister44</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/elderly-gentleman-shoots-armed.html#comment-1482233</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.</p>
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		<title>By: GuyInMilwaukee</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/elderly-gentleman-shoots-armed.html#comment-1482237</link>
		<dc:creator>GuyInMilwaukee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a fine line to walk between self defense and vigilantism. Shooting at the kids as he runs out the door was crossing the line in my humble. Killing a kid is no small thing in this world or at least I thought it wasn&#039;t. I seems Florida has a different view these days.

Don&#039;t I have a right to protect and defend myself (and others) from some old dude and his .38 and poor vision and a shaky hand? The logic fails at some point. More guns is not the answer... unless you work for the gun manufacturers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a fine line to walk between self defense and vigilantism. Shooting at the kids as he runs out the door was crossing the line in my humble. Killing a kid is no small thing in this world or at least I thought it wasn&#8217;t. I seems Florida has a different view these days.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t I have a right to protect and defend myself (and others) from some old dude and his .38 and poor vision and a shaky hand? The logic fails at some point. More guns is not the answer&#8230; unless you work for the gun manufacturers.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Bueche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Bueche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Looked good until I read the second article that states that only 3 bullets actually hit the targets. Williams missed on all but 3 shots. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Looked good until I read the second article that states that only 3 bullets actually hit the targets. Williams missed on all but 3 shots. </p>
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		<title>By: falnfenix</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/elderly-gentleman-shoots-armed.html#comment-1482220</link>
		<dc:creator>falnfenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s the casing, not the bullet. ;)</description>
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		<title>By: Walt Guyll</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/elderly-gentleman-shoots-armed.html#comment-1482222</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt Guyll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Unless you were assaulted you weren&#039;t mugged, you was robbed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Unless you were assaulted you weren&#8217;t mugged, you was robbed.</p>
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		<title>By: Aloisius</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/elderly-gentleman-shoots-armed.html#comment-1482216</link>
		<dc:creator>Aloisius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that 3D printers and automatic 3d milling machines are getting better, the ability to make guns at home is inevitable in the near future. Guns, like it or not, are here to stay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that 3D printers and automatic 3d milling machines are getting better, the ability to make guns at home is inevitable in the near future. Guns, like it or not, are here to stay.</p>
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		<title>By: Spitty Sumo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/elderly-gentleman-shoots-armed.html#comment-1482215</link>
		<dc:creator>Spitty Sumo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>make jewelry!</description>
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		<title>By: Funk Daddy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/elderly-gentleman-shoots-armed.html#comment-1482211</link>
		<dc:creator>Funk Daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same. I&#039;m a natural marksman too but when I see someone who believes they need a sidearm , concealed or open, and they aren&#039;t law I consider they feel insecure in society or with society. That puts them closer to the mindset of the weak willed criminal than it does the upstanding citizen.

Unless they happen to frequent illegal casinos, boozecans, whorehouses, crack dens, etc. Then they are a failing of two kinds, which do not cancel each other but are at least complimentary. 

By that I mean, the old man was just living his dream of being in a casino, strapped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same. I&#8217;m a natural marksman too but when I see someone who believes they need a sidearm , concealed or open, and they aren&#8217;t law I consider they feel insecure in society or with society. That puts them closer to the mindset of the weak willed criminal than it does the upstanding citizen.</p>
<p>Unless they happen to frequent illegal casinos, boozecans, whorehouses, crack dens, etc. Then they are a failing of two kinds, which do not cancel each other but are at least complimentary. </p>
<p>By that I mean, the old man was just living his dream of being in a casino, strapped.</p>
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		<title>By: wizardru</title>
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		<dc:creator>wizardru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s worth noting that your statistics are all crime-related.  Many gun owners in America are sportsmen and hunters, which may account for many of the &#039;accidental&#039; category and would change the &#039;good&#039; gun use numbers, if one chose to categorize target shooting and hunting that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s worth noting that your statistics are all crime-related.  Many gun owners in America are sportsmen and hunters, which may account for many of the &#8216;accidental&#8217; category and would change the &#8216;good&#8217; gun use numbers, if one chose to categorize target shooting and hunting that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Funk Daddy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/elderly-gentleman-shoots-armed.html#comment-1482198</link>
		<dc:creator>Funk Daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is correct, while Texas has some serious problems with the proliferation of weapons it is widely accepted that you have to answer up for any shooting you do. Even shootings that seem to be clearly &quot;castled&quot; can end up in a grand jury if it doesn&#039;t smell right to investigators.

Florida is just stupid with that &quot;stand your ground&quot; asinine bullshit. Talk about a concept that promotes aggressive behaviour. 

Both places need fewer weapons and tougher restrictions on acquisition coupled with -lucrative- buy-back programs. No sub-tropical or tropical places should be so free and easy with weaponry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is correct, while Texas has some serious problems with the proliferation of weapons it is widely accepted that you have to answer up for any shooting you do. Even shootings that seem to be clearly &#8220;castled&#8221; can end up in a grand jury if it doesn&#8217;t smell right to investigators.</p>
<p>Florida is just stupid with that &#8220;stand your ground&#8221; asinine bullshit. Talk about a concept that promotes aggressive behaviour. </p>
<p>Both places need fewer weapons and tougher restrictions on acquisition coupled with -lucrative- buy-back programs. No sub-tropical or tropical places should be so free and easy with weaponry.</p>
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		<title>By: hug h</title>
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		<dc:creator>hug h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I scream? Ad Hominem?! Not as I understand it. I am a gun owner myself smarty pants. No need to post any facts, they are there for any objective person to find. Don&#039;t oppose gun ownership, although I do believe in reasonable handgun control laws. Also the NRA has morphed into a lobbying group for the firearms industry. Unless you were born in Africa then we are both part Neanderthal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I scream? Ad Hominem?! Not as I understand it. I am a gun owner myself smarty pants. No need to post any facts, they are there for any objective person to find. Don&#8217;t oppose gun ownership, although I do believe in reasonable handgun control laws. Also the NRA has morphed into a lobbying group for the firearms industry. Unless you were born in Africa then we are both part Neanderthal.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Woitalla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander Woitalla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading about this incident gives quite a nice explanation, why there are so many people injured or killed by gunfire in the U.S. Such a situation would be unthinkable in Germany and the shooter would face serious trail. And oh... quite a load less people are shot down in Germany per year. I wonder why. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading about this incident gives quite a nice explanation, why there are so many people injured or killed by gunfire in the U.S. Such a situation would be unthinkable in Germany and the shooter would face serious trail. And oh&#8230; quite a load less people are shot down in Germany per year. I wonder why. </p>
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		<title>By: Brian Sprague</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Sprague</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, if you cherry pick. Overall, the states with higher rates of gun ownership have, on average, lower violent crime rates. It&#039;s a very slight correlation with a low R squared, resembling a random scatter more than a trend. But the regression line does slope downward...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, if you cherry pick. Overall, the states with higher rates of gun ownership have, on average, lower violent crime rates. It&#8217;s a very slight correlation with a low R squared, resembling a random scatter more than a trend. But the regression line does slope downward&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Walt Guyll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt Guyll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> You are referring to something rare enough to become national news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> You are referring to something rare enough to become national news.</p>
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		<title>By: GuyInMilwaukee</title>
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		<dc:creator>GuyInMilwaukee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Your wish and all that...
http://youtu.be/vZ9R7faWQBs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Your wish and all that&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://youtu.be/vZ9R7faWQBs" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/vZ9R7faWQBs</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nimdae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nimdae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> @Navin_Johnson:disqus 

For some reason boingboing is not letting me reply to you (reply link is hidden).

I am not saying it doesn&#039;t happen. You are saying there are upwards to 50 times more legal gun carriers &quot;snapping&quot; than there are legal gun carriers doing something good. However, you continue to fail citing facts on this. You are using obvious statistics skewing by including all gun violence. If we include ALL gun violence, 50 times is not close.

Gun violence happens every day. However, gun violence by licensed carriers is kinda rare. Criminals are significantly less likely to follow the law to acquire a gun, let alone acquire license to carry it. This is the primary source of gun violence, and the only way your &quot;50 times&quot; statistic can work.

Now, if you still believe that there is 50 times more gun violence by licensed gun carriers than there is these &quot;feel good&quot; stories, please cite your sources.

BTW, in Texas, when a licensed gun carrier commits a crime involving a firearm, the instructor that signed off for his license is investigated. My instructor has been doing CHL courses for quite some time and had been responsible for licensing thousands of people in Texas. Up until the point where he signed off on my CHL, he had not faced any of these investigations. This seems to throw your point right back into your face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> @Navin_Johnson:disqus </p>
<p>For some reason boingboing is not letting me reply to you (reply link is hidden).</p>
<p>I am not saying it doesn&#8217;t happen. You are saying there are upwards to 50 times more legal gun carriers &#8220;snapping&#8221; than there are legal gun carriers doing something good. However, you continue to fail citing facts on this. You are using obvious statistics skewing by including all gun violence. If we include ALL gun violence, 50 times is not close.</p>
<p>Gun violence happens every day. However, gun violence by licensed carriers is kinda rare. Criminals are significantly less likely to follow the law to acquire a gun, let alone acquire license to carry it. This is the primary source of gun violence, and the only way your &#8220;50 times&#8221; statistic can work.</p>
<p>Now, if you still believe that there is 50 times more gun violence by licensed gun carriers than there is these &#8220;feel good&#8221; stories, please cite your sources.</p>
<p>BTW, in Texas, when a licensed gun carrier commits a crime involving a firearm, the instructor that signed off for his license is investigated. My instructor has been doing CHL courses for quite some time and had been responsible for licensing thousands of people in Texas. Up until the point where he signed off on my CHL, he had not faced any of these investigations. This seems to throw your point right back into your face.</p>
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		<title>By: Tonweight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tonweight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow... hot topic, to be sure.  Fire-and-forget on my comment, then:

I, personally, feel ENTITLED to my safety.  The only person I trust with it is myself.  I am highly trained, armed and unarmed, and fully capable of using either skillset in my defense, or the defense of others.

Aikido teaches (essentially) &quot;fight without fighting.&quot;  Tactical training teaches disciplined use of force with deadly weapons.  Both emphasize awareness and puissance over raw power.  

What we need is better training (for everyone), not &quot;more laws.&quot;

If you&#039;re going to propose more laws, you really need to propose harsher PENALTY upon CRIMINALITY before you send up DEFENDERS OF THE PEACE for doing what I&#039;m sure most of them believe is their CIVIC DUTY.  Misguided as his actions may be, the man stopping the robbery is automatically LESS GUILTY upon Her Scale than the perpetrators thereof.  Yes, absolutely penalize him - harshly - should he murder an innocent by his actions.  Yes, put him on home-arrest until the situation becomes clearer.  

But - don&#039;t punish him simply for trying to stand up for what&#039;s RIGHT.

Also, if robbery (or other crime) is &quot;right&quot; in your estimation, under any circumstance, then you are WRONG.  Period.  No debate.  There is ALWAYS a better way.

I would do the same, in that man&#039;s shoes.  I am a defender.  I don&#039;t carry, but I don&#039;t need to - those chairs looked sturdy enough to serve as a distraction, at the least.  Chairs don&#039;t generally break first; that would be the people hit by them.  Then I do have a gun (if it becomes necessary).  That one fellow turned his back for more than long enough.

The bottom line is that criminality is terrible.  I don&#039;t care about your situation.  I don&#039;t care about your upbringing.  Those are things you can change, if you swallow your pride long enough.

I guess it boils down for me into a broth of self-respect and quiet power:  I know that I could take the things I want - probably for a good long while; however, there is ALWAYS someone (or a gang of someones) &quot;badder,&quot; more powerful, meaner, more corrupt... than oneself.  In the end, it&#039;s not worth meeting them (except perhaps to gloat at their trial).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230; hot topic, to be sure.  Fire-and-forget on my comment, then:</p>
<p>I, personally, feel ENTITLED to my safety.  The only person I trust with it is myself.  I am highly trained, armed and unarmed, and fully capable of using either skillset in my defense, or the defense of others.</p>
<p>Aikido teaches (essentially) &#8220;fight without fighting.&#8221;  Tactical training teaches disciplined use of force with deadly weapons.  Both emphasize awareness and puissance over raw power.  </p>
<p>What we need is better training (for everyone), not &#8220;more laws.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to propose more laws, you really need to propose harsher PENALTY upon CRIMINALITY before you send up DEFENDERS OF THE PEACE for doing what I&#8217;m sure most of them believe is their CIVIC DUTY.  Misguided as his actions may be, the man stopping the robbery is automatically LESS GUILTY upon Her Scale than the perpetrators thereof.  Yes, absolutely penalize him &#8211; harshly &#8211; should he murder an innocent by his actions.  Yes, put him on home-arrest until the situation becomes clearer.  </p>
<p>But &#8211; don&#8217;t punish him simply for trying to stand up for what&#8217;s RIGHT.</p>
<p>Also, if robbery (or other crime) is &#8220;right&#8221; in your estimation, under any circumstance, then you are WRONG.  Period.  No debate.  There is ALWAYS a better way.</p>
<p>I would do the same, in that man&#8217;s shoes.  I am a defender.  I don&#8217;t carry, but I don&#8217;t need to &#8211; those chairs looked sturdy enough to serve as a distraction, at the least.  Chairs don&#8217;t generally break first; that would be the people hit by them.  Then I do have a gun (if it becomes necessary).  That one fellow turned his back for more than long enough.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that criminality is terrible.  I don&#8217;t care about your situation.  I don&#8217;t care about your upbringing.  Those are things you can change, if you swallow your pride long enough.</p>
<p>I guess it boils down for me into a broth of self-respect and quiet power:  I know that I could take the things I want &#8211; probably for a good long while; however, there is ALWAYS someone (or a gang of someones) &#8220;badder,&#8221; more powerful, meaner, more corrupt&#8230; than oneself.  In the end, it&#8217;s not worth meeting them (except perhaps to gloat at their trial).</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My argument is that &lt;em&gt;if you are correct&lt;/em&gt; that armed robbers who assume that everyone is carrying a concealed weapon will just gun everyone down up-front, then it seems to me that &lt;em&gt;many fewer people would engage in armed robbery&lt;/em&gt;, at least if others are right that the vast majority of armed robbers aren&#039;t really willing to use their firearms in most cases.  I don&#039;t see how your response is even remotely relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My argument is that <em>if you are correct</em> that armed robbers who assume that everyone is carrying a concealed weapon will just gun everyone down up-front, then it seems to me that <em>many fewer people would engage in armed robbery</em>, at least if others are right that the vast majority of armed robbers aren&#8217;t really willing to use their firearms in most cases.  I don&#8217;t see how your response is even remotely relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: brerrabbit23</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking practically, &quot;running&quot; sometimes means &quot;running for cover to return fire, rearm, call for assistance&quot;.

You aren&#039;t allowed to return fire on an assailant that isn&#039;t a threat, but threat is determined deferentially in favor of defenders and even more so when the defender is a sworn citizen.

So... in brief, No, Nathan. If you are stupid enough to point a pistol (or a bat, for that matter) at a US policeman, your life continues at their discretion if you do anything other than disarm and capitulate to commands in very, VERY short order.

Running, though, could mean anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking practically, &#8220;running&#8221; sometimes means &#8220;running for cover to return fire, rearm, call for assistance&#8221;.</p>
<p>You aren&#8217;t allowed to return fire on an assailant that isn&#8217;t a threat, but threat is determined deferentially in favor of defenders and even more so when the defender is a sworn citizen.</p>
<p>So&#8230; in brief, No, Nathan. If you are stupid enough to point a pistol (or a bat, for that matter) at a US policeman, your life continues at their discretion if you do anything other than disarm and capitulate to commands in very, VERY short order.</p>
<p>Running, though, could mean anything.</p>
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		<title>By: RedShirt77</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedShirt77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@wysinwyg


Canada&#039;s stats only suggest there are more than one way to limit gun violence.
 One seems to be limiting guns, and the other, may be taking your agression out by watching hocky and drinking beek while eating maple syrup.   Or maybe its socialized medicine.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@wysinwyg</p>
<p>Canada&#8217;s stats only suggest there are more than one way to limit gun violence.<br />
 One seems to be limiting guns, and the other, may be taking your agression out by watching hocky and drinking beek while eating maple syrup.   Or maybe its socialized medicine.   </p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Which makes sense that it might draw criminal interest.  So &quot;live by the sword, die by the sword&quot; as so many have suggested?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Which makes sense that it might draw criminal interest.  So &#8220;live by the sword, die by the sword&#8221; as so many have suggested?</p>
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		<title>By: wizardru</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it&#039;s actually more of an Internet Casino with access terminals.  So presumably they were hoping to get money off of the victims, but assuming that most of the transactions were electronic, that wasn&#039;t really very likely.  But then, armed robbery rarely returns a lot of money, so I don&#039;t think clear thinking was on the table, here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it&#8217;s actually more of an Internet Casino with access terminals.  So presumably they were hoping to get money off of the victims, but assuming that most of the transactions were electronic, that wasn&#8217;t really very likely.  But then, armed robbery rarely returns a lot of money, so I don&#8217;t think clear thinking was on the table, here.</p>
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		<title>By: Funk Daddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funk Daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a casino, you can see the dedicated video slots in the video and the &quot;internet&quot; available as MTDutch101 &amp; ogver point out is probably used mostly fro gambling.

They would probably grimace if you walked in intending to only play starcraft for $5 an hour</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a casino, you can see the dedicated video slots in the video and the &#8220;internet&#8221; available as MTDutch101 &amp; ogver point out is probably used mostly fro gambling.</p>
<p>They would probably grimace if you walked in intending to only play starcraft for $5 an hour</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I was mugged by two guys in Detroit, one with a pistol and one with a bat.  I dutifully opened my wallet when they demanded and lost $5 but kept my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I was mugged by two guys in Detroit, one with a pistol and one with a bat.  I dutifully opened my wallet when they demanded and lost $5 but kept my life.</p>
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		<title>By: nullhogarth</title>
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		<dc:creator>nullhogarth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> He&#039;s a shooter, not a hero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> He&#8217;s a shooter, not a hero.</p>
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