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	<title>Comments on: There&#039;s BIG MONEY in&#160;STENOGRAPHY</title>
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		<title>By: Mike Rowell</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/theres-big-money-in-stenogra.html#comment-1485342</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Rowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> What about coming back from break and asking about a question that was asked an hour ago?  What about finding the last question instantly after a minute or two of arguing about an objection?

With a reporter&#039;s rough-draft (which is usually audio synch&#039;d as well), you just search for the keywords, and you instantly have the question in front of you -- no rewinding, no guessing where it might be -- and you&#039;re not costing any lost time in a room full of people who are individually charging hundreds of dollars an hour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> What about coming back from break and asking about a question that was asked an hour ago?  What about finding the last question instantly after a minute or two of arguing about an objection?</p>
<p>With a reporter&#8217;s rough-draft (which is usually audio synch&#8217;d as well), you just search for the keywords, and you instantly have the question in front of you &#8212; no rewinding, no guessing where it might be &#8212; and you&#8217;re not costing any lost time in a room full of people who are individually charging hundreds of dollars an hour.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Rowell</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/theres-big-money-in-stenogra.html#comment-1485338</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Rowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Stenomasks are used in different parts of the country and are valuable for the same reasons as steno-writers.  I&#039;ve even seen them on high-profile cases on court TV.  

They face a lot of the same obstacles, with being aware of homonyms and &quot;sound-a-likes&quot; in their writing (or speaking), maintaining their dictionaries software entries to deal with new words, word-boundary issues, and other problems that cause errors in the first-draft translation.  

As a stenographer (stenotypist), I have a lot of respect for highly skilled steno-mask writers, as they&#039;re doing essentially the same thing, via a slightly different method.  

The problem with speech recognition is generally that people have different accents, they mumble, and the courtroom or even deposition setting is generally not a &quot;sterile&quot; environment with respect to audio.  There are papers shuffling, people coughing, sneezing, mumbling, talking simultaneously.  In a courthouse, doors are opening, people are shuffling in and out, sometimes in chains; there are side conversations.  

For all of those reasons, it&#039;s still important to have somebody there actually recording the proceedings.  If you search on Google for audio failure in courtrooms, you&#039;ll see the pitfalls of relying on un-manned audio systems.  It can work in a controlled environment and sometimes in general populations, but there is the risk of equipment failure going unnoticed because nobody is sitting there producing a rough draft, monitoring their equipment as they&#039;re doing it.  

With audio systems, you also have to begin transcription with the recording and a blank page, whereas if you&#039;ve had a steno writer in the room, you begin transcription with a rough draft of the translated shorthand, which is often sold to litigants at the end of the day so they can immediately begin bolstering their own notes with quotes from the day&#039;s testimony.

Just a few thoughts about why this ad is not &quot;anachronistic.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Stenomasks are used in different parts of the country and are valuable for the same reasons as steno-writers.  I&#8217;ve even seen them on high-profile cases on court TV.  </p>
<p>They face a lot of the same obstacles, with being aware of homonyms and &#8220;sound-a-likes&#8221; in their writing (or speaking), maintaining their dictionaries software entries to deal with new words, word-boundary issues, and other problems that cause errors in the first-draft translation.  </p>
<p>As a stenographer (stenotypist), I have a lot of respect for highly skilled steno-mask writers, as they&#8217;re doing essentially the same thing, via a slightly different method.  </p>
<p>The problem with speech recognition is generally that people have different accents, they mumble, and the courtroom or even deposition setting is generally not a &#8220;sterile&#8221; environment with respect to audio.  There are papers shuffling, people coughing, sneezing, mumbling, talking simultaneously.  In a courthouse, doors are opening, people are shuffling in and out, sometimes in chains; there are side conversations.  </p>
<p>For all of those reasons, it&#8217;s still important to have somebody there actually recording the proceedings.  If you search on Google for audio failure in courtrooms, you&#8217;ll see the pitfalls of relying on un-manned audio systems.  It can work in a controlled environment and sometimes in general populations, but there is the risk of equipment failure going unnoticed because nobody is sitting there producing a rough draft, monitoring their equipment as they&#8217;re doing it.  </p>
<p>With audio systems, you also have to begin transcription with the recording and a blank page, whereas if you&#8217;ve had a steno writer in the room, you begin transcription with a rough draft of the translated shorthand, which is often sold to litigants at the end of the day so they can immediately begin bolstering their own notes with quotes from the day&#8217;s testimony.</p>
<p>Just a few thoughts about why this ad is not &#8220;anachronistic.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca Rowell</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/theres-big-money-in-stenogra.html#comment-1484259</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca Rowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 04:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many broadcasters employ uncertified stenographers so as to satifsy their obligations to provide the service to the deaf and hard of hearing.  However, high-level programs usually go the extra mile and pay a skilled stenographer.  You should also keep in mind that they are typing 200 to 300 words a minute, all of it in shorthand, and when new words come up that aren&#039;t defined in their machine shorthand dictionary, it&#039;s very easy to be tripped up -- especially if it&#039;s a name or term the stenographer has never even heard of.

A typo of one wrong key on a regular keyboard will result in a slight misspelling, whereas a wrong key on a machine shorthand keyboard (a stenograph) can result in an entire wrong phrase, or a phonetically similar but entirely different work coming up.  Every piece of shorthand is associated with an English counterpart in the stenographers dictionary, hence the spectacular typos you see when things go wrong.

Still, I&#039;d challenge anyone to sit down and try to even paraphrase a News broadcast and see what their rough-draft looks like before editing.  You&#039;ll have a new appreciation for just how quick and accurate those TV captions actually are, even if they do contain the occasional spectacular mistranslation of the stenographer&#039;s shorthand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many broadcasters employ uncertified stenographers so as to satifsy their obligations to provide the service to the deaf and hard of hearing.  However, high-level programs usually go the extra mile and pay a skilled stenographer.  You should also keep in mind that they are typing 200 to 300 words a minute, all of it in shorthand, and when new words come up that aren&#8217;t defined in their machine shorthand dictionary, it&#8217;s very easy to be tripped up &#8212; especially if it&#8217;s a name or term the stenographer has never even heard of.</p>
<p>A typo of one wrong key on a regular keyboard will result in a slight misspelling, whereas a wrong key on a machine shorthand keyboard (a stenograph) can result in an entire wrong phrase, or a phonetically similar but entirely different work coming up.  Every piece of shorthand is associated with an English counterpart in the stenographers dictionary, hence the spectacular typos you see when things go wrong.</p>
<p>Still, I&#8217;d challenge anyone to sit down and try to even paraphrase a News broadcast and see what their rough-draft looks like before editing.  You&#8217;ll have a new appreciation for just how quick and accurate those TV captions actually are, even if they do contain the occasional spectacular mistranslation of the stenographer&#8217;s shorthand.</p>
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		<title>By: billstewart</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/theres-big-money-in-stenogra.html#comment-1484188</link>
		<dc:creator>billstewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 03:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yarrr, Cory, that ad&#039;s not anachronistic at all!  It&#039;s perfectly consistent with the culture of its time.  If you ran it &lt;i&gt;today&lt;/i&gt; to try to hire a stenographer, it would be anachronistic, but the technology, clothing, hair, typefaces, the social attitudes about appropriate work for women, the &quot;you can make big money with skills you can learn at home&quot; and the fact that students would have to buy their own machinery, all of that are about right for 1965. 

I&#039;d been going to say that it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;obsolete&lt;/i&gt;, but a lot of the comments say that the fundamental transcription skills are still current today for some businesses (though the company I worked for from the late 70s - early 90s had a typing pool and accepted dictation by phone when I started, and had gotten rid of it by the mid-80s when it was expected that even managers could do most of their typing using computers, and that&#039;s pretty typical for most businesses.)  

And back in the 60s, the people who really needed a good word-at-a-time typing system were the Chinese - pre-computer Chinese typewriters required the equivalent of a college education&#039;s worth of training to be good at, depending on how much of the language you wanted to be able to cover.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yarrr, Cory, that ad&#8217;s not anachronistic at all!  It&#8217;s perfectly consistent with the culture of its time.  If you ran it <i>today</i> to try to hire a stenographer, it would be anachronistic, but the technology, clothing, hair, typefaces, the social attitudes about appropriate work for women, the &#8220;you can make big money with skills you can learn at home&#8221; and the fact that students would have to buy their own machinery, all of that are about right for 1965. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d been going to say that it&#8217;s <i>obsolete</i>, but a lot of the comments say that the fundamental transcription skills are still current today for some businesses (though the company I worked for from the late 70s &#8211; early 90s had a typing pool and accepted dictation by phone when I started, and had gotten rid of it by the mid-80s when it was expected that even managers could do most of their typing using computers, and that&#8217;s pretty typical for most businesses.)  </p>
<p>And back in the 60s, the people who really needed a good word-at-a-time typing system were the Chinese &#8211; pre-computer Chinese typewriters required the equivalent of a college education&#8217;s worth of training to be good at, depending on how much of the language you wanted to be able to cover.  </p>
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		<title>By: Shashwath T.R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shashwath T.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 03:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the point... Graffiti pretty much saved my skin about 12 years ago, when I had a fractured right hand, and couldn&#039;t take decent class notes... It was slower, but it got the job done.

My point is that the Latin alphabet (and indeed, most alphabets) aren&#039;t really great for taking notes. Shorthand, on the other hand, is. Now, if we could learn shorthand, and have an IME for our phones/tablets/whatever, taking down better notes would be easier.

This is to do with handwriting, but the same argument applies for key input. For example, a chorded keyboard like &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stenotype&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Stenotype&lt;/a&gt; &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; be much faster with just a few fingers (maybe even just thumbs). Check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://gkos.com/gkos/index-gkos-com.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GKOS&lt;/a&gt;.

The problem would be the learning curve. Fortunately or unfortunately, we&#039;re addicted to QWERTY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the point&#8230; Graffiti pretty much saved my skin about 12 years ago, when I had a fractured right hand, and couldn&#8217;t take decent class notes&#8230; It was slower, but it got the job done.</p>
<p>My point is that the Latin alphabet (and indeed, most alphabets) aren&#8217;t really great for taking notes. Shorthand, on the other hand, is. Now, if we could learn shorthand, and have an IME for our phones/tablets/whatever, taking down better notes would be easier.</p>
<p>This is to do with handwriting, but the same argument applies for key input. For example, a chorded keyboard like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stenotype" rel="nofollow">Stenotype</a> <i>should</i> be much faster with just a few fingers (maybe even just thumbs). Check out <a href="http://gkos.com/gkos/index-gkos-com.html" rel="nofollow">GKOS</a>.</p>
<p>The problem would be the learning curve. Fortunately or unfortunately, we&#8217;re addicted to QWERTY</p>
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		<title>By: billstewart</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/theres-big-money-in-stenogra.html#comment-1484171</link>
		<dc:creator>billstewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 03:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I occasionally turn on closed captioning on BBC shows just to cut through the accents.  It&#039;s one thing to understand somebody speaking with a London or BBC accent, but some of the regional dialects are pretty thick, the equivalent of trying to understand a rural Alabama accent in real time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I occasionally turn on closed captioning on BBC shows just to cut through the accents.  It&#8217;s one thing to understand somebody speaking with a London or BBC accent, but some of the regional dialects are pretty thick, the equivalent of trying to understand a rural Alabama accent in real time.</p>
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		<title>By: billstewart</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/theres-big-money-in-stenogra.html#comment-1484168</link>
		<dc:creator>billstewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 03:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> By the time AI gets good enough that we can trust it to take notes, there&#039;s a risk that it will also be good enough that we &lt;i&gt;can&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; trust it not to have its own opinions about it....   

(Though one primary characteristic of AI is that any time AI gets good enough to do things, like reading text or theorem proving, everybody says &quot;Oh, that&#039;s not really AI, that&#039;s just OCR or automated logic, real AI is still decades away if it&#039;s even possible!&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> By the time AI gets good enough that we can trust it to take notes, there&#8217;s a risk that it will also be good enough that we <i>can&#8217;t</i> trust it not to have its own opinions about it&#8230;.   </p>
<p>(Though one primary characteristic of AI is that any time AI gets good enough to do things, like reading text or theorem proving, everybody says &#8220;Oh, that&#8217;s not really AI, that&#8217;s just OCR or automated logic, real AI is still decades away if it&#8217;s even possible!&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: billstewart</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/theres-big-money-in-stenogra.html#comment-1484157</link>
		<dc:creator>billstewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 02:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> My old Psion 3A was a just-barely-pocket-sized organizer that had a good QWERTY keyboard on it - two-finger typing was at least enough to keep up with phone messages, and when I later replaced it with a Palm III using Graffiti, I could write about half as much stuff, so my message notes became a lot more terse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> My old Psion 3A was a just-barely-pocket-sized organizer that had a good QWERTY keyboard on it &#8211; two-finger typing was at least enough to keep up with phone messages, and when I later replaced it with a Palm III using Graffiti, I could write about half as much stuff, so my message notes became a lot more terse.</p>
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		<title>By: Anton Dyudin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/theres-big-money-in-stenogra.html#comment-1484086</link>
		<dc:creator>Anton Dyudin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 01:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anton Dyudin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/theres-big-money-in-stenogra.html#comment-1484053</link>
		<dc:creator>Anton Dyudin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 01:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TPUBG, probably. Now I&#039;m seriously considering getting one myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TPUBG, probably. Now I&#8217;m seriously considering getting one myself.</p>
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		<title>By: jellyfishattack</title>
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		<dc:creator>jellyfishattack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Reel-to-reel, amazingly hilarious!</description>
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		<title>By: chgoliz</title>
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		<dc:creator>chgoliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT: A big thank-you from someone with an auditory processing disorder....closed captioning helps a wide variety of people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT: A big thank-you from someone with an auditory processing disorder&#8230;.closed captioning helps a wide variety of people!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Glover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Glover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all in how you use the text-to-speech.

 My wife used to be a court reporter for the U. S. Air Force. She would listen to the discussion and then repeat it into a stenomask. She would then transcribe the recording after the fact. Your own voice is less ambiguous apparently.

Toward the end of her career, she was involved with testing the speech to text machines that they use more often now. For accuracy the speech to text device is trained to understand only the court reporters voice. She would then clean-up the transcription later. 

In both cases it&#039;s just a note-taking aid for a court reporter who is physically present and can certify the text matches what was said.

Do a search for &quot;Stenomask&quot; to see some of the devices. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all in how you use the text-to-speech.</p>
<p> My wife used to be a court reporter for the U. S. Air Force. She would listen to the discussion and then repeat it into a stenomask. She would then transcribe the recording after the fact. Your own voice is less ambiguous apparently.</p>
<p>Toward the end of her career, she was involved with testing the speech to text machines that they use more often now. For accuracy the speech to text device is trained to understand only the court reporters voice. She would then clean-up the transcription later. </p>
<p>In both cases it&#8217;s just a note-taking aid for a court reporter who is physically present and can certify the text matches what was said.</p>
<p>Do a search for &#8220;Stenomask&#8221; to see some of the devices. </p>
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		<title>By: rusho</title>
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		<dc:creator>rusho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sister started as a court reporter and has moved on to do closed captioning on the television for years (the words at the bottom of the screen for deaf people.)  She works out of her house.  The cable company sends her a feed, she listens, types and there is just a few seconds delay before the words appear on the bottom of the tv screen.  It&#039;s amazing.  She&#039;s captioned the Olympics, national election coverage, sports shows, news shows and Microsoft even hires her to caption their annual meetings on a huge screen for the audience.  She makes quite good money and is in the top percentage in the industry for speed and accuracy.  If you are bilingual you can pretty much write your own salary in this line of work - there is far more demand than there are skilled captioners.  And it is all using that Stenotype machine that hasn&#039;t changed much since 1965.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sister started as a court reporter and has moved on to do closed captioning on the television for years (the words at the bottom of the screen for deaf people.)  She works out of her house.  The cable company sends her a feed, she listens, types and there is just a few seconds delay before the words appear on the bottom of the tv screen.  It&#8217;s amazing.  She&#8217;s captioned the Olympics, national election coverage, sports shows, news shows and Microsoft even hires her to caption their annual meetings on a huge screen for the audience.  She makes quite good money and is in the top percentage in the industry for speed and accuracy.  If you are bilingual you can pretty much write your own salary in this line of work &#8211; there is far more demand than there are skilled captioners.  And it is all using that Stenotype machine that hasn&#8217;t changed much since 1965.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaleberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaleberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s like the old subway ads: if u cn rd ts, u cn rn hi pa as a court stenographer! I used to laugh, but at least one friend of the family was a court stenographer, and he said it paid pretty well. I know they&#039;re still used in many court rooms, because recording technology doesn&#039;t handle the uncontrolled - from an audio engineer&#039;s point of view - acoustics of a court room very well. The pay still seems pretty good too. Salaries online start around $40K and go up to around $80K, and a lot of the jobs offer benefits. Of course, the acoustics engineers and the Republicans are working against this, but for now it isn&#039;t that silly an idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like the old subway ads: if u cn rd ts, u cn rn hi pa as a court stenographer! I used to laugh, but at least one friend of the family was a court stenographer, and he said it paid pretty well. I know they&#8217;re still used in many court rooms, because recording technology doesn&#8217;t handle the uncontrolled &#8211; from an audio engineer&#8217;s point of view &#8211; acoustics of a court room very well. The pay still seems pretty good too. Salaries online start around $40K and go up to around $80K, and a lot of the jobs offer benefits. Of course, the acoustics engineers and the Republicans are working against this, but for now it isn&#8217;t that silly an idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/theres-big-money-in-stenogra.html#comment-1483352</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember that writing at some point was considered magic for exactly the reasons Paul states: sounds from &lt;i&gt;pictures, WTF!&lt;/i&gt; The Egyptian writing system was limited to a holy order of scribes, and classes on writing were held at scribes&#039; homes in special secret rooms. I mean, mouth square feather wavy line man-with-hands-in-air!

Rome may have been an unusual exception though, since many legionnaires knew how to write letters back home, and the walls of Pompeii show that the ordinary citizen was no stranger to graffiti. However, even with all that, the estimate is 10-20% literacy.

So... magic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember that writing at some point was considered magic for exactly the reasons Paul states: sounds from <i>pictures, WTF!</i> The Egyptian writing system was limited to a holy order of scribes, and classes on writing were held at scribes&#8217; homes in special secret rooms. I mean, mouth square feather wavy line man-with-hands-in-air!</p>
<p>Rome may have been an unusual exception though, since many legionnaires knew how to write letters back home, and the walls of Pompeii show that the ordinary citizen was no stranger to graffiti. However, even with all that, the estimate is 10-20% literacy.</p>
<p>So&#8230; magic!</p>
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		<title>By: Papa Mike</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/theres-big-money-in-stenogra.html#comment-1483333</link>
		<dc:creator>Papa Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t hold your breath.  Speaker agnostic automated speech recognition is still a long way off and, even when you have trained a voice engine and you&#039;re operating in an acoustically pure environment, the error rate for ASR is still quite high.  Start pushing the rate at which the words are spoken, add in multiple, overlapping speakers, and background noise... things fall apart fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t hold your breath.  Speaker agnostic automated speech recognition is still a long way off and, even when you have trained a voice engine and you&#8217;re operating in an acoustically pure environment, the error rate for ASR is still quite high.  Start pushing the rate at which the words are spoken, add in multiple, overlapping speakers, and background noise&#8230; things fall apart fast.</p>
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		<title>By: Papa Mike</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/theres-big-money-in-stenogra.html#comment-1483329</link>
		<dc:creator>Papa Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The company I work for does real-time closed captioning on TV - we employ 150+ stenographers.  It&#039;s a remarkable skill - more akin to playing piano than typing, I&#039;d say (words and parts of words are formed by chording multiple keys on the steno keyboard together rather than typing individual letters) and some of the people who do the work are amazing.  The pace of a typical &#039;big city&#039; newscast hovers around 200 words per minute and bursts up to the upper 200s and maybe low 300s are not uncommon.  What we produce is certainly not verbatim (in the real time world, once it&#039;s gone, it&#039;s gone - we don&#039;t have the luxury of listening back to a recording and correcting the text, etc.) but we like to think that we do a good job of capturing the gist of the stories, etc.

Incidentally, most stenos have gone through a multi-year schooling process to get where they are.  It&#039;s not the sort of thing most people could just pick up in their spare time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The company I work for does real-time closed captioning on TV &#8211; we employ 150+ stenographers.  It&#8217;s a remarkable skill &#8211; more akin to playing piano than typing, I&#8217;d say (words and parts of words are formed by chording multiple keys on the steno keyboard together rather than typing individual letters) and some of the people who do the work are amazing.  The pace of a typical &#8216;big city&#8217; newscast hovers around 200 words per minute and bursts up to the upper 200s and maybe low 300s are not uncommon.  What we produce is certainly not verbatim (in the real time world, once it&#8217;s gone, it&#8217;s gone &#8211; we don&#8217;t have the luxury of listening back to a recording and correcting the text, etc.) but we like to think that we do a good job of capturing the gist of the stories, etc.</p>
<p>Incidentally, most stenos have gone through a multi-year schooling process to get where they are.  It&#8217;s not the sort of thing most people could just pick up in their spare time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Daytime Thorns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daytime Thorns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until we can get to a point where an AI can be trusted by the court to take notes, to the point where nobody can dispute it, we&#039;ll still have court reporters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until we can get to a point where an AI can be trusted by the court to take notes, to the point where nobody can dispute it, we&#8217;ll still have court reporters.</p>
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		<title>By: Daytime Thorns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daytime Thorns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They can type sentences VERY quickly, over 200WPM, by spelling words with syllables, instead of letters.
They also have a specially shaped keyboard.
The art of stenography doesn&#039;t even has that much to do with the hardware that it&#039;s implemented on.
Most stenograph machines record directly onto an sd card, and type onto paper as backup.
And they record the audio.
HOWEVER, for legal reasons, only the typed notes are the official record of what happened in the courtroom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They can type sentences VERY quickly, over 200WPM, by spelling words with syllables, instead of letters.<br />
They also have a specially shaped keyboard.<br />
The art of stenography doesn&#8217;t even has that much to do with the hardware that it&#8217;s implemented on.<br />
Most stenograph machines record directly onto an sd card, and type onto paper as backup.<br />
And they record the audio.<br />
HOWEVER, for legal reasons, only the typed notes are the official record of what happened in the courtroom.</p>
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		<title>By: Greggem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greggem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Rewind. 
2. Turn on PA. 
3. Play.

I did this pretty much every time we had a jury trial.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Rewind.<br />
2. Turn on PA.<br />
3. Play.</p>
<p>I did this pretty much every time we had a jury trial.</p>
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		<title>By: Daytime Thorns</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/theres-big-money-in-stenogra.html#comment-1483293</link>
		<dc:creator>Daytime Thorns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, this is actually a very relevant technology.
Since all court proceedings are required to be recorded by a certified court reporter, and nearly every court reporter uses a steno machine.
A steno machine is still the FASTEST way to dictate human speech, and has many specialized applications.
When speech is dictated in real time, for the purposes of closed captioning, it is with a stenographer.
I know people who work as court reporters.
They&#039;re not going anywhere, any time soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, this is actually a very relevant technology.<br />
Since all court proceedings are required to be recorded by a certified court reporter, and nearly every court reporter uses a steno machine.<br />
A steno machine is still the FASTEST way to dictate human speech, and has many specialized applications.<br />
When speech is dictated in real time, for the purposes of closed captioning, it is with a stenographer.<br />
I know people who work as court reporters.<br />
They&#8217;re not going anywhere, any time soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Greggem</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/theres-big-money-in-stenogra.html#comment-1483287</link>
		<dc:creator>Greggem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to do this for a living and can confirm that is is *occasionally* interesting. After the millionth DUI trial they start to blur together though. Still, it beats the heck out of the Starbucks warehouse.

The smaller the community the more interesting it is. Currently, I know what three people on my block were arrested for. I&#039;ve considered moving, but then I&#039;d be surrounded by people who I don&#039;t know what they&#039;ve been arrested for.

The devil you know, I guess.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to do this for a living and can confirm that is is *occasionally* interesting. After the millionth DUI trial they start to blur together though. Still, it beats the heck out of the Starbucks warehouse.</p>
<p>The smaller the community the more interesting it is. Currently, I know what three people on my block were arrested for. I&#8217;ve considered moving, but then I&#8217;d be surrounded by people who I don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;ve been arrested for.</p>
<p>The devil you know, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: GawainLavers</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/theres-big-money-in-stenogra.html#comment-1483284</link>
		<dc:creator>GawainLavers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know, it&#039;s pretty much the only requirement for political reporting these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, it&#8217;s pretty much the only requirement for political reporting these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/theres-big-money-in-stenogra.html#comment-1483280</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shorthand and, in general, fast writing, was always of interest at least starting with the Industrial Revolution, but the Romans started it for writing down speeches. You should see some of the awesome attempts at shorthand before Gregg. And &quot;script&quot; was originally based on the theory that not lifting the pen was the key to writing faster.

http://gantopian.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Comentarii-Noten.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shorthand and, in general, fast writing, was always of interest at least starting with the Industrial Revolution, but the Romans started it for writing down speeches. You should see some of the awesome attempts at shorthand before Gregg. And &#8220;script&#8221; was originally based on the theory that not lifting the pen was the key to writing faster.</p>
<p><a href="http://gantopian.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Comentarii-Noten.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://gantopian.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Comentarii-Noten.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: jparkuntz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/theres-big-money-in-stenogra.html#comment-1483230</link>
		<dc:creator>jparkuntz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only anachronistic thing I see is that La Salle Extension University folded before the current heyday of for-profit private colleges. If they had survived they&#039;d be reeling in the bucks now from the desperate unemployed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only anachronistic thing I see is that La Salle Extension University folded before the current heyday of for-profit private colleges. If they had survived they&#8217;d be reeling in the bucks now from the desperate unemployed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jorpho</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/theres-big-money-in-stenogra.html#comment-1483223</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorpho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stenotype_machine&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;typing at 300 WPM&lt;/a&gt; &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; be exciting? 

...Okay, pretty easily, maybe.  But 300 WPM!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stenotype_machine" rel="nofollow">typing at 300 WPM</a> <i>not</i> be exciting? </p>
<p>&#8230;Okay, pretty easily, maybe.  But 300 WPM!</p>
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		<title>By: Amorette Allison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amorette Allison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a reporter.  I recently attended a trial where I wish I knew shorthand.  The court reporter used a machine like this and I envied her.  The clothes and hair may be &#039;retro&#039; but the technology is still very much in use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a reporter.  I recently attended a trial where I wish I knew shorthand.  The court reporter used a machine like this and I envied her.  The clothes and hair may be &#8216;retro&#8217; but the technology is still very much in use.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Céleste Hutchins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Céleste Hutchins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My girlfriend is a journalist and uses shorthand all the time for interviews. It&#039;s much faster for her to just write everything down than to have to review recordings. This is not obsolete at all, but a very useful skill. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My girlfriend is a journalist and uses shorthand all the time for interviews. It&#8217;s much faster for her to just write everything down than to have to review recordings. This is not obsolete at all, but a very useful skill. </p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As noted many times above, court reporters make fine money and can have an interesting time doing it. And as a lawyer, I love it when the reporter shows up with a steno machine, as it means I can get something read back if needed - a trick the &quot;record and repeat everything into a dictation mask&quot; reporters can&#039;t do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As noted many times above, court reporters make fine money and can have an interesting time doing it. And as a lawyer, I love it when the reporter shows up with a steno machine, as it means I can get something read back if needed &#8211; a trick the &#8220;record and repeat everything into a dictation mask&#8221; reporters can&#8217;t do.</p>
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