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		<title>By: Dave Haynie</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/21/patent-troll-targets-minecraft.html#comment-1487014</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Haynie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 13:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup.. the usual practice of a patent troll is to sue, but offering &quot;licensing&quot; terms low enough that it&#039;s clearly better to make a deal than to fight. Because, when it does get to court, if the patent is overturned, they lose all past and any potential future licenses. 

And they get away with this stuff all the time. So if Notch is really going to fight this, he&#039;s very much the hero of the story.

The other thing is that patents are often misunderstood, but even the system is a broken on several levels. First thing is that a patent covers not an idea, but a very specific implementation of an idea. If your licensing server is done a little differently than the one claimed by the patent, that patent simply doesn&#039;t apply. One reason for the confusion is the construct of the patent. When filed, there&#039;s a description of the invention, and there&#039;s a set of claims. The PTO judges the patent entirely on the description of the invention, checking that the claims are supported by the main body of the patent. Once granted, patent lawyers sue based on the claims, which are of course written to sound like they cover everything, but in reality, they&#039;re only as good as the actual invention. 

It&#039;s worse with most software patents... one reason they really shouldn&#039;t exist. If I patent a machine, I need to submit very accurate mechanical drawings, or I might not have a valid patent. If I patent a circuit, I must include a schematic of that circuit. But in the USA anyway, software patents no longer require disclosure of the source code. So you don&#039;t really know the preferred embodiment of the invention, but something intentionally made more general. Most of these should be tossed out just on that basis. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup.. the usual practice of a patent troll is to sue, but offering &#8220;licensing&#8221; terms low enough that it&#8217;s clearly better to make a deal than to fight. Because, when it does get to court, if the patent is overturned, they lose all past and any potential future licenses. </p>
<p>And they get away with this stuff all the time. So if Notch is really going to fight this, he&#8217;s very much the hero of the story.</p>
<p>The other thing is that patents are often misunderstood, but even the system is a broken on several levels. First thing is that a patent covers not an idea, but a very specific implementation of an idea. If your licensing server is done a little differently than the one claimed by the patent, that patent simply doesn&#8217;t apply. One reason for the confusion is the construct of the patent. When filed, there&#8217;s a description of the invention, and there&#8217;s a set of claims. The PTO judges the patent entirely on the description of the invention, checking that the claims are supported by the main body of the patent. Once granted, patent lawyers sue based on the claims, which are of course written to sound like they cover everything, but in reality, they&#8217;re only as good as the actual invention. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s worse with most software patents&#8230; one reason they really shouldn&#8217;t exist. If I patent a machine, I need to submit very accurate mechanical drawings, or I might not have a valid patent. If I patent a circuit, I must include a schematic of that circuit. But in the USA anyway, software patents no longer require disclosure of the source code. So you don&#8217;t really know the preferred embodiment of the invention, but something intentionally made more general. Most of these should be tossed out just on that basis. </p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/21/patent-troll-targets-minecraft.html#comment-1486588</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 23:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could be wrong, but if you have strong proof of prior art then it doesn&#039;t have to be left up to the jury, the judge could dismiss the suit as without merit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could be wrong, but if you have strong proof of prior art then it doesn&#8217;t have to be left up to the jury, the judge could dismiss the suit as without merit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/21/patent-troll-targets-minecraft.html#comment-1486576</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they&#039;ll lose due to prior art. A company named AppForge used a similar mechanism for their system to run VB apps on handheld devices years ago. I also don&#039;t think they were the first ones to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they&#8217;ll lose due to prior art. A company named AppForge used a similar mechanism for their system to run VB apps on handheld devices years ago. I also don&#8217;t think they were the first ones to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anton Gully</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/21/patent-troll-targets-minecraft.html#comment-1485720</link>
		<dc:creator>Anton Gully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t pretend to understand what I read but it looks like the cheapest fee for submission of prior art, if submitted within a month of the patent being granted, is $65. So I guess that&#039;s one reason why crowd-sourcing objections to the patent system has never taken off. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t pretend to understand what I read but it looks like the cheapest fee for submission of prior art, if submitted within a month of the patent being granted, is $65. So I guess that&#8217;s one reason why crowd-sourcing objections to the patent system has never taken off. </p>
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		<title>By: Craig Procter</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/21/patent-troll-targets-minecraft.html#comment-1485617</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Procter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 04:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just because the word has a different modern meaning (used primarily in male homosexual groups) doesn&#039;t change it&#039;s original meaning of riding an animal without the use of a saddle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just because the word has a different modern meaning (used primarily in male homosexual groups) doesn&#8217;t change it&#8217;s original meaning of riding an animal without the use of a saddle.</p>
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		<title>By: jestar_jokin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/21/patent-troll-targets-minecraft.html#comment-1485553</link>
		<dc:creator>jestar_jokin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 02:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone interesting in the other side of the story...

The software activation technique in question was patented in 1992 by an Australian inventor. There was a recent episode of Australian Story which talks about him and the trial against Microsoft. The transcript is available online.

http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2012/s3473536.htm 

So, I believe the origins of the patent in question date back to 1992. That&#039;s a bit different to 2005 (or even 2001); the portfolio of prior art would be significantly smaller.

Makes for an interesting read. While I have to cheer the fellow for winning a long-running battle against Microsoft, the fact that the company is going after everyone, and they&#039;re apparently based in Luxembourg (tax evasion ahoy!), makes me think they&#039;re a bit sleazy. So the whole story leaves me feeling ambivalent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone interesting in the other side of the story&#8230;</p>
<p>The software activation technique in question was patented in 1992 by an Australian inventor. There was a recent episode of Australian Story which talks about him and the trial against Microsoft. The transcript is available online.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2012/s3473536.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2012/s3473536.htm</a> </p>
<p>So, I believe the origins of the patent in question date back to 1992. That&#8217;s a bit different to 2005 (or even 2001); the portfolio of prior art would be significantly smaller.</p>
<p>Makes for an interesting read. While I have to cheer the fellow for winning a long-running battle against Microsoft, the fact that the company is going after everyone, and they&#8217;re apparently based in Luxembourg (tax evasion ahoy!), makes me think they&#8217;re a bit sleazy. So the whole story leaves me feeling ambivalent.</p>
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		<title>By: GreyGeek77</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/21/patent-troll-targets-minecraft.html#comment-1485453</link>
		<dc:creator>GreyGeek77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 23:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If anyone cared to read the article, they actually are proud of a 30% success rate.&quot;

I wonder if the patent trolls have to pay the victims court costs and expenses IF the troll looses?  If not, and I doubt that they do,  then the laws should be changed so that they must.    That should about level out that extortion racket and put the bogus claims out of business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If anyone cared to read the article, they actually are proud of a 30% success rate.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder if the patent trolls have to pay the victims court costs and expenses IF the troll looses?  If not, and I doubt that they do,  then the laws should be changed so that they must.    That should about level out that extortion racket and put the bogus claims out of business.</p>
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		<title>By: elix</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/21/patent-troll-targets-minecraft.html#comment-1485452</link>
		<dc:creator>elix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 23:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they wanted publicity, they&#039;re getting it. They might not want it, however.

When Notch says he is willing to sink a huge amount of money to make sure &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;you get nothing&lt;/a&gt;, he means it, and he has the bank account to back his words up. Mojang is a small but very rich company -- and I&#039;m certain that&#039;s why these scum lawyered up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they wanted publicity, they&#8217;re getting it. They might not want it, however.</p>
<p>When Notch says he is willing to sink a huge amount of money to make sure <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ" rel="nofollow">you get nothing</a>, he means it, and he has the bank account to back his words up. Mojang is a small but very rich company &#8212; and I&#8217;m certain that&#8217;s why these scum lawyered up.</p>
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		<title>By: Schmorgluck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/21/patent-troll-targets-minecraft.html#comment-1485430</link>
		<dc:creator>Schmorgluck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 22:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Two words : American Rule.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_rule_%28attorney%27s_fees%29

In Geneva, and just about everywhere else except the USA, Uniloc could end up paying Notch&#039;s attorney fees if they lose the case. As it works now, the US civil system makes it easier to intimidate someone into a settlement, even with frivolous claims. There are variations on the state level, but for the most part they are one-sided: only the defendant may end up paying the plaintiff&#039;s fees, not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Two words : American Rule.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_rule_%28attorney%27s_fees%29" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_rule_%28attorney%27s_fees%29</a></p>
<p>In Geneva, and just about everywhere else except the USA, Uniloc could end up paying Notch&#8217;s attorney fees if they lose the case. As it works now, the US civil system makes it easier to intimidate someone into a settlement, even with frivolous claims. There are variations on the state level, but for the most part they are one-sided: only the defendant may end up paying the plaintiff&#8217;s fees, not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: shayneo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/21/patent-troll-targets-minecraft.html#comment-1485387</link>
		<dc:creator>shayneo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you sell to someone in east texas, the transaction is usually held to be in east texas, if memory serves me right.</description>
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		<title>By: Sasha Shepherd</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/21/patent-troll-targets-minecraft.html#comment-1485281</link>
		<dc:creator>Sasha Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Answer: REFUSE TO SELL IN TEXAS.

Imagine if  google.com visited from a Texas IP address said &#039;You are barred from using Google services because of your fucked up East Texas Patent Troll Havens.&#039;

It&#039;s a strength in numbers thing. If one company did that, they would look bad. If many companies started doing it, it would put significant pressure on east texas; esp if there were a case where a government was denied a crucial software for this reason.

Sure, they would lose money and market share. But they possibly lose less than they are losing in these cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Answer: REFUSE TO SELL IN TEXAS.</p>
<p>Imagine if  google.com visited from a Texas IP address said &#8216;You are barred from using Google services because of your fucked up East Texas Patent Troll Havens.&#8217;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a strength in numbers thing. If one company did that, they would look bad. If many companies started doing it, it would put significant pressure on east texas; esp if there were a case where a government was denied a crucial software for this reason.</p>
<p>Sure, they would lose money and market share. But they possibly lose less than they are losing in these cases.</p>
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		<title>By: Sasha Shepherd</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/21/patent-troll-targets-minecraft.html#comment-1485275</link>
		<dc:creator>Sasha Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, forget the for loop.

I&#039;m gonna patent shoes. I just invented them, foot covering to keep the feet warm and protected.

And I&#039;m going to get an injunction to keep all these douchebags from wearing them.

They won&#039;t let you walk in a courtroom barefoot, right?

Checkmate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, forget the for loop.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m gonna patent shoes. I just invented them, foot covering to keep the feet warm and protected.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m going to get an injunction to keep all these douchebags from wearing them.</p>
<p>They won&#8217;t let you walk in a courtroom barefoot, right?</p>
<p>Checkmate.</p>
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		<title>By: Xof</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/21/patent-troll-targets-minecraft.html#comment-1485272</link>
		<dc:creator>Xof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If the suit is dismissed without prejudice (that is, if the judge says &quot;this was reasonable but incorrect,&quot;) then what happens varies by state, and is often left entirely up to the judge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Patents are Federal law. Lawsuits under Federal patent law are brought in Federal courts. &quot;What happens&quot; is determined by Federal procedure, and has nothing to do with state law or state procedure. I&#039;m afraid you simply do not know what you are talking about.

The number of times that a patent lawsuit is dismissed with prejudice is vanishingly small. The overwhelmingly large majority of cases that go to trial end up with each side paying their own costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If the suit is dismissed without prejudice (that is, if the judge says &#8220;this was reasonable but incorrect,&#8221;) then what happens varies by state, and is often left entirely up to the judge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Patents are Federal law. Lawsuits under Federal patent law are brought in Federal courts. &#8220;What happens&#8221; is determined by Federal procedure, and has nothing to do with state law or state procedure. I&#8217;m afraid you simply do not know what you are talking about.</p>
<p>The number of times that a patent lawsuit is dismissed with prejudice is vanishingly small. The overwhelmingly large majority of cases that go to trial end up with each side paying their own costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Xof</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/21/patent-troll-targets-minecraft.html#comment-1485265</link>
		<dc:creator>Xof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;s really not hard to find out about the Berne Conventions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Indeed not, and when you do, you find out that it is about copyright, not patents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s really not hard to find out about the Berne Conventions.</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed not, and when you do, you find out that it is about copyright, not patents.</p>
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		<title>By: That_Anonymous_Coward</title>
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		<dc:creator>That_Anonymous_Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And just like copyright trolling the amount they ask for is less than what they will cost you in court over time fighting this silly lawsuit, add in the place chosen has an uncanny rate of finding for trolls it begins to look like a roll of the loaded dice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And just like copyright trolling the amount they ask for is less than what they will cost you in court over time fighting this silly lawsuit, add in the place chosen has an uncanny rate of finding for trolls it begins to look like a roll of the loaded dice.</p>
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		<title>By: thowland</title>
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		<dc:creator>thowland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like a BS claim- all of the claims (not the summary, which is more or less irrelevant to the lawsuit) seem to concern authentication via a smartcard. Unless the whole android phone is magically transmuted into a smartcard (which had a discrete technical definition), this lawsuit appears to be a big stinking heap of troll shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like a BS claim- all of the claims (not the summary, which is more or less irrelevant to the lawsuit) seem to concern authentication via a smartcard. Unless the whole android phone is magically transmuted into a smartcard (which had a discrete technical definition), this lawsuit appears to be a big stinking heap of troll shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Xof</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/21/patent-troll-targets-minecraft.html#comment-1485187</link>
		<dc:creator>Xof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coolness. Cite?</description>
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		<title>By: bwcbwc</title>
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		<dc:creator>bwcbwc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a US patent, so European court has no jurisdiction - even if your company is European (IANAL). Though on the other hand, Bethesda filed in Sweden, but maybe that&#039;s because they held the Elder Scrolls trademark in Sweden as well as US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a US patent, so European court has no jurisdiction &#8211; even if your company is European (IANAL). Though on the other hand, Bethesda filed in Sweden, but maybe that&#8217;s because they held the Elder Scrolls trademark in Sweden as well as US.</p>
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		<title>By: bwcbwc</title>
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		<dc:creator>bwcbwc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure the argument will be that people in Dallas and other parts of E. Texas have bought Minecraft over the net, therefore they do business there.

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		<title>By: Xof</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admire your bravery in defending a system that is sufficiently broken on its face we have quite respected jurists such as Richard Posner pointing this out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admire your bravery in defending a system that is sufficiently broken on its face we have quite respected jurists such as Richard Posner pointing this out.</p>
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		<title>By: bwcbwc</title>
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		<dc:creator>bwcbwc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Or even &quot;the stocks&quot;, if you&#039;re referring to the similar punishment device and not the jail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Or even &#8220;the stocks&#8221;, if you&#8217;re referring to the similar punishment device and not the jail.</p>
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		<title>By: Xof</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It does not cost $50,000 to invalidate a bad patent.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

True. It can often cost several times that.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Texas district in question is urban, highly educated, and skin color diverse, actually.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This explains why patent trolls are so eager to file there; they are doing their part for diversity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It does not cost $50,000 to invalidate a bad patent.</p></blockquote>
<p>True. It can often cost several times that.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Texas district in question is urban, highly educated, and skin color diverse, actually.</p></blockquote>
<p>This explains why patent trolls are so eager to file there; they are doing their part for diversity.</p>
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		<title>By: bwcbwc</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/21/patent-troll-targets-minecraft.html#comment-1485146</link>
		<dc:creator>bwcbwc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 14:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Don&#039;t get your hopes too high. Notch talked big about Bethesda&#039;s &quot;Scrolls&quot; trademark suit, and ended up settling. On the other hand, his only goal for that fight was for Mojang to have the right to use &quot;scrolls&quot; for its card game. This one seems a bit more personal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Don&#8217;t get your hopes too high. Notch talked big about Bethesda&#8217;s &#8220;Scrolls&#8221; trademark suit, and ended up settling. On the other hand, his only goal for that fight was for Mojang to have the right to use &#8220;scrolls&#8221; for its card game. This one seems a bit more personal.</p>
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		<title>By: StoneCypher</title>
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		<dc:creator>StoneCypher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 14:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &quot;They will eventually lo[o]se, but the defendants will still have to pay for the lawsuits.&quot;

This is entirely up to the judge.  

If the suit is dismissed with prejudice - that is, if the judge says &quot;you should have known better, you&#039;re being a dick,&quot; the plaintiff pays, and sometimes pays damages too (typically trebled.)  If the suit is dismissed without prejudice (that is, if the judge says &quot;this was reasonable but incorrect,&quot;) then what happens varies by state, and is often left entirely up to the judge.

It is very uncommon that an innocent person has to pay to defend themselves against commercial claims of intent.

&quot;this won&#039;t prevent the troll to continue gaming the system&quot;

Generally, when a patent is ruled against with prejudice, there is a serious risk that the judge will also choose to invalidate the patent itself, thereby not only negating that party&#039;s ability to go to new action, but also invalidating old claims held.  Being an actual troll very often carries the risk of serious and permanent loss of already held claims.  It&#039;s just that the public media knows that the masses will come running when someone rings the patent troll dinner bell, so everyone and everything is a patent troll now.

(Granted, in this specific case, the label fits, but it usually doesn&#039;t, kind of like when people talk about model view controller or startups or agile or lean.)

There&#039;s also a real problem with you suggesting that this is a form of gaming the system.  It isn&#039;t.  You just don&#039;t understand the system.  Pursuing people for the inappropriate pilfering of held intellectual property is the purpose of the system; making inappropriately strong claims isn&#039;t &quot;gaming&quot; in any meaningful sense.

They&#039;re just bullies taking advantage of the general public&#039;s confusion about what patents are and how they work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &#8221;They will eventually lo[o]se, but the defendants will still have to pay for the lawsuits.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is entirely up to the judge.  </p>
<p>If the suit is dismissed with prejudice &#8211; that is, if the judge says &#8220;you should have known better, you&#8217;re being a dick,&#8221; the plaintiff pays, and sometimes pays damages too (typically trebled.)  If the suit is dismissed without prejudice (that is, if the judge says &#8220;this was reasonable but incorrect,&#8221;) then what happens varies by state, and is often left entirely up to the judge.</p>
<p>It is very uncommon that an innocent person has to pay to defend themselves against commercial claims of intent.</p>
<p>&#8220;this won&#8217;t prevent the troll to continue gaming the system&#8221;</p>
<p>Generally, when a patent is ruled against with prejudice, there is a serious risk that the judge will also choose to invalidate the patent itself, thereby not only negating that party&#8217;s ability to go to new action, but also invalidating old claims held.  Being an actual troll very often carries the risk of serious and permanent loss of already held claims.  It&#8217;s just that the public media knows that the masses will come running when someone rings the patent troll dinner bell, so everyone and everything is a patent troll now.</p>
<p>(Granted, in this specific case, the label fits, but it usually doesn&#8217;t, kind of like when people talk about model view controller or startups or agile or lean.)</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also a real problem with you suggesting that this is a form of gaming the system.  It isn&#8217;t.  You just don&#8217;t understand the system.  Pursuing people for the inappropriate pilfering of held intellectual property is the purpose of the system; making inappropriately strong claims isn&#8217;t &#8220;gaming&#8221; in any meaningful sense.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re just bullies taking advantage of the general public&#8217;s confusion about what patents are and how they work.</p>
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		<title>By: bwcbwc</title>
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		<dc:creator>bwcbwc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 14:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably, but the folks that make up juries in Tyler, TX seem to be getting smarter about patent law. Defendants are starting to win some cases there (e.g. Eolas) http://www.law.com/jsp/lawtechnologynews/PubArticleLTN.jsp?id=1202542183498&amp;slreturn=20120622101456

Hope Mojang files for a change of venue in any case. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably, but the folks that make up juries in Tyler, TX seem to be getting smarter about patent law. Defendants are starting to win some cases there (e.g. Eolas) <a href="http://www.law.com/jsp/lawtechnologynews/PubArticleLTN.jsp?id=1202542183498&#038;slreturn=20120622101456" rel="nofollow">http://www.law.com/jsp/lawtechnologynews/PubArticleLTN.jsp?id=1202542183498&#038;slreturn=20120622101456</a></p>
<p>Hope Mojang files for a change of venue in any case. </p>
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		<title>By: mongolito404</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/21/patent-troll-targets-minecraft.html#comment-1485131</link>
		<dc:creator>mongolito404</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 14:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&quot;Is there nothing in the us what does prevent patenting common an simple methods?&quot;

&gt; Yes.  There is.  It&#039;s called &quot;the court system.&quot;  The US patent system was never meant to be adjudicated by the patent office.

IANAL, but my understanding is that the court system is not enough. Even when one&#039;s patent is ruled invalid by the court in a case, it does not prevent the patent owner to sue others over the same patent. They will eventually loose, but the defendants will still have to pay for the lawsuits. And pay for a second lawsuit if they want to get some money back from the patent troll. And again, this won&#039;t prevent the troll to continue gaming the system and try to get money from companies which are afraid of a lawsuits or can just not afford it. 
 </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&#8221;Is there nothing in the us what does prevent patenting common an simple methods?&#8221;</p>
<p>&gt; Yes.  There is.  It&#8217;s called &#8220;the court system.&#8221;  The US patent system was never meant to be adjudicated by the patent office.</p>
<p>IANAL, but my understanding is that the court system is not enough. Even when one&#8217;s patent is ruled invalid by the court in a case, it does not prevent the patent owner to sue others over the same patent. They will eventually loose, but the defendants will still have to pay for the lawsuits. And pay for a second lawsuit if they want to get some money back from the patent troll. And again, this won&#8217;t prevent the troll to continue gaming the system and try to get money from companies which are afraid of a lawsuits or can just not afford it. </p>
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		<title>By: mongolito404</title>
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		<dc:creator>mongolito404</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or &quot;limited computing device&quot; to make it sounds very specific,  while being actually broader since any type of computer fits the description.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or &#8220;limited computing device&#8221; to make it sounds very specific,  while being actually broader since any type of computer fits the description.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Grotemeier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Grotemeier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I googled it. And I cannot find my question answered. Yes, there is a kind of international treaty about the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works. No - I cannot find any clue about the right of a plaintiff to put someone under a jurisdiction of his or her choice. From an european view the usofa legal system is something but not anything that guarantees equal positions for anyone. Its kind of an capitalistic-aristocratic system which only serves people who can afford it.
Laws in europe and scandinavia have a different approach, though also far away from equality. I don&#039;t know about the luexembourgoise system. 
Why does one have the right to press some other to accept threats with filing the law-suit in a nation where defending your rights makes you poor? (i you loose or win)? If you file an international law-suit the court should take place either in plaintiffs or defendants jurisdiction system, not something the defendant may choose. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I googled it. And I cannot find my question answered. Yes, there is a kind of international treaty about the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works. No &#8211; I cannot find any clue about the right of a plaintiff to put someone under a jurisdiction of his or her choice. From an european view the usofa legal system is something but not anything that guarantees equal positions for anyone. Its kind of an capitalistic-aristocratic system which only serves people who can afford it.<br />
Laws in europe and scandinavia have a different approach, though also far away from equality. I don&#8217;t know about the luexembourgoise system. <br />
Why does one have the right to press some other to accept threats with filing the law-suit in a nation where defending your rights makes you poor? (i you loose or win)? If you file an international law-suit the court should take place either in plaintiffs or defendants jurisdiction system, not something the defendant may choose. </p>
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		<title>By: KeirThomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>KeirThomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think &quot;small beer&quot; is the right phrase to describe the stock photography sites. Are they &quot;trivial or unimportant&quot; (as defined by my dictionary)? Generally the phrase &quot;small beer&quot; describes something that&#039;s worthless in comparison to something else: &quot;Jim won a bronze medal in the 2000 Olympics but that was small beer compared to the two golds he won in subsequent events.&quot;

Something like &quot;small fry&quot; is perhaps what you were thinking of. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think &#8220;small beer&#8221; is the right phrase to describe the stock photography sites. Are they &#8220;trivial or unimportant&#8221; (as defined by my dictionary)? Generally the phrase &#8220;small beer&#8221; describes something that&#8217;s worthless in comparison to something else: &#8220;Jim won a bronze medal in the 2000 Olympics but that was small beer compared to the two golds he won in subsequent events.&#8221;</p>
<p>Something like &#8220;small fry&#8221; is perhaps what you were thinking of. </p>
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		<title>By: StoneCypher</title>
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		<dc:creator>StoneCypher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 11:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Third party submission rules around patents were set in 1941, and last adjusted in 1983.

http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/appxr_1_99.htm

&quot;I wonder if we could crowdsource prior art for every patent they hold and gut the troll.&quot;

This ... is a very interesting suggestion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Third party submission rules around patents were set in 1941, and last adjusted in 1983.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/appxr_1_99.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/appxr_1_99.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;I wonder if we could crowdsource prior art for every patent they hold and gut the troll.&#8221;</p>
<p>This &#8230; is a very interesting suggestion.</p>
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