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		<title>By: MsMaryFromDuluth</title>
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		<dc:creator>MsMaryFromDuluth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came across this post by chance, and in a weird way it&#039;s fitting. In 2003, I was pregnant for a second time by my son&#039;s father (my son is thirteen today). He was a meth addict and I became terrified/convinced that our &quot;new&quot; baby would have crack baby syndromes and things of that nature, so I chose to have an abortion (and believe me it&#039;s painful physically). I also, live in Minnesota.

After that decision my relationship with my son&#039;s father fell apart, mainly because of his drug/alcohol problems and we broke up. To this day he still believes I was lying about the pregnancy and that it wasn&#039;t his child (I wasn&#039;t with anyone else).

Today I&#039;m happily engaged to the man of my dreams, my best friend, and we&#039;re getting married next June. The sad part is he was told he cannot have children because of his medications for a specified disease I&#039;d rather not mention.

I used birth control for the first three months we were together, but I figured since he had been told he cannot have kids, I was safe…and then…nine months later…I got pregnant. That&#039;s where I am right now. I just hit seven weeks this week.

My decision to have an abortion next Friday is based on several reasons the first being how physically heavy I am. I weight 250 lbs. I refuse to have a pregnancy in this weight bracket (I had toxemia with my son and almost died).

The others are, my insurance is HORRIBLE. I work full-time and work for an insurance provider. You&#039;d think I&#039;d have good insurance. Nope! I&#039;d have to pay for a c-section almost out of pocket (which I have to have a c-section because of my last birth), and with that being said -- I can&#039;t afford that.

My final decision is that we aren&#039;t married yet and there&#039;s not a way we can move the wedding up, plus my fiance is still in college full time and can&#039;t financially contribute to our life right now. He does get disability monthly because of his disease, but that covers only the rent.

IF it were not so expensive to have a baby, I&#039;d make other choices. Right now, I can barely afford to live/pay my student loans/take care of my one child…and after all, this was an unplanned pregnancy and we were told HE CAN&#039;T HAVE KIDS.

Ugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came across this post by chance, and in a weird way it&#8217;s fitting. In 2003, I was pregnant for a second time by my son&#8217;s father (my son is thirteen today). He was a meth addict and I became terrified/convinced that our &#8220;new&#8221; baby would have crack baby syndromes and things of that nature, so I chose to have an abortion (and believe me it&#8217;s painful physically). I also, live in Minnesota.</p>
<p>After that decision my relationship with my son&#8217;s father fell apart, mainly because of his drug/alcohol problems and we broke up. To this day he still believes I was lying about the pregnancy and that it wasn&#8217;t his child (I wasn&#8217;t with anyone else).</p>
<p>Today I&#8217;m happily engaged to the man of my dreams, my best friend, and we&#8217;re getting married next June. The sad part is he was told he cannot have children because of his medications for a specified disease I&#8217;d rather not mention.</p>
<p>I used birth control for the first three months we were together, but I figured since he had been told he cannot have kids, I was safe…and then…nine months later…I got pregnant. That&#8217;s where I am right now. I just hit seven weeks this week.</p>
<p>My decision to have an abortion next Friday is based on several reasons the first being how physically heavy I am. I weight 250 lbs. I refuse to have a pregnancy in this weight bracket (I had toxemia with my son and almost died).</p>
<p>The others are, my insurance is HORRIBLE. I work full-time and work for an insurance provider. You&#8217;d think I&#8217;d have good insurance. Nope! I&#8217;d have to pay for a c-section almost out of pocket (which I have to have a c-section because of my last birth), and with that being said &#8212; I can&#8217;t afford that.</p>
<p>My final decision is that we aren&#8217;t married yet and there&#8217;s not a way we can move the wedding up, plus my fiance is still in college full time and can&#8217;t financially contribute to our life right now. He does get disability monthly because of his disease, but that covers only the rent.</p>
<p>IF it were not so expensive to have a baby, I&#8217;d make other choices. Right now, I can barely afford to live/pay my student loans/take care of my one child…and after all, this was an unplanned pregnancy and we were told HE CAN&#8217;T HAVE KIDS.</p>
<p>Ugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Origami_Isopod</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/23/my-miscarriage-my-abortion.html#comment-1488428</link>
		<dc:creator>Origami_Isopod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some women support the patriarchy. What else is new. But who benefits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some women support the patriarchy. What else is new. But who benefits?</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie Koerth-Baker</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/23/my-miscarriage-my-abortion.html#comment-1487665</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggie Koerth-Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 00:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it&#039;s almost never a false positive. If you get a positive pregnancy test and then you aren&#039;t pregnant it was almost assuredly a very early miscarriage. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it&#8217;s almost never a false positive. If you get a positive pregnancy test and then you aren&#8217;t pregnant it was almost assuredly a very early miscarriage. </p>
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		<title>By: Erynn Schwellinger</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/23/my-miscarriage-my-abortion.html#comment-1487658</link>
		<dc:creator>Erynn Schwellinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 00:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pregnancy is considered to take place from conception, not implantation, though I never personally understood the logic in this. Hell, pregnancy calculations take place from the missed period - and the egg and sperm don&#039;t even have to have met at that stage in things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pregnancy is considered to take place from conception, not implantation, though I never personally understood the logic in this. Hell, pregnancy calculations take place from the missed period &#8211; and the egg and sperm don&#8217;t even have to have met at that stage in things.</p>
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		<title>By: Erynn Schwellinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erynn Schwellinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 00:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So many pregnancies end in miscarriage that probably over half the older women any of us know have had one - knowingly or otherwise. Many know. It&#039;s just never, ever mentioned. Because what can someone say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many pregnancies end in miscarriage that probably over half the older women any of us know have had one &#8211; knowingly or otherwise. Many know. It&#8217;s just never, ever mentioned. Because what can someone say?</p>
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		<title>By: Erynn Schwellinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erynn Schwellinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 00:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The false positive... It&#039;s not always false.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The false positive&#8230; It&#8217;s not always false.</p>
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		<title>By: Erynn Schwellinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erynn Schwellinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More likely to cause defects and issues later on than miscarriage. Which would be a whole other crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More likely to cause defects and issues later on than miscarriage. Which would be a whole other crime.</p>
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		<title>By: Sidney18511</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/23/my-miscarriage-my-abortion.html#comment-1487299</link>
		<dc:creator>Sidney18511</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 18:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well according to the republicans that want to put fetal personhood laws into effect, a woman who has had a miscarriage, could be charged with murder. Her uterus would become a crime scene. Did you jump, drink, smoke, not eat properly? Did you stay up late, fight with your hubby, lift something heavy? In fact since woman don&#039;t know when they become pregnant, all girls at the start of menstruation will have to be monitored monthly, lest we allow something to happen to the new person growing inside. If a woman is n
Known for not taking good care of their health, well they will be locked up, watched, force fed, and monitored until the person is born. Doesn&#039;t anyone realize how crazy just the idea of personhood his? These teapots are nuts, and if they take over, well, we are screwed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well according to the republicans that want to put fetal personhood laws into effect, a woman who has had a miscarriage, could be charged with murder. Her uterus would become a crime scene. Did you jump, drink, smoke, not eat properly? Did you stay up late, fight with your hubby, lift something heavy? In fact since woman don&#8217;t know when they become pregnant, all girls at the start of menstruation will have to be monitored monthly, lest we allow something to happen to the new person growing inside. If a woman is n<br />
Known for not taking good care of their health, well they will be locked up, watched, force fed, and monitored until the person is born. Doesn&#8217;t anyone realize how crazy just the idea of personhood his? These teapots are nuts, and if they take over, well, we are screwed!</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s good psychological and neurological evidence that human beings do not make moral decisions rationally but by relying on moral intuitions.  That is to say, some people think about the abortion issue by thinking about a cute baby and saying to themselves &quot;OMG, how could anyone murder such a precious, adorable little thing!&quot;  

The fact that most people don&#039;t actually think about moral issues but just feel them explains why we see that there is no opinion so stupid that we can&#039;t find someone who believes it.  

I tend to think the men in question -- and people making decisions about reproductive health laws are overwhelmingly men -- don&#039;t care either emotionally or rationally.  They&#039;re venal cynics who know that pushing emotional buttons gets them votes.

TL;DR: there are better targets for your &quot;concern.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s good psychological and neurological evidence that human beings do not make moral decisions rationally but by relying on moral intuitions.  That is to say, some people think about the abortion issue by thinking about a cute baby and saying to themselves &#8220;OMG, how could anyone murder such a precious, adorable little thing!&#8221;  </p>
<p>The fact that most people don&#8217;t actually think about moral issues but just feel them explains why we see that there is no opinion so stupid that we can&#8217;t find someone who believes it.  </p>
<p>I tend to think the men in question &#8212; and people making decisions about reproductive health laws are overwhelmingly men &#8212; don&#8217;t care either emotionally or rationally.  They&#8217;re venal cynics who know that pushing emotional buttons gets them votes.</p>
<p>TL;DR: there are better targets for your &#8220;concern.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Doobie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doobie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 15:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know at least 2 women who have experienced ectopic pregnancy - which is particularly scary (fetus implants itself in the fallopian tube, not the uterus).  I keep wondering if people who are trying restrict access to abortion have had any experience with complications in pregnancy.

Thanks for your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know at least 2 women who have experienced ectopic pregnancy &#8211; which is particularly scary (fetus implants itself in the fallopian tube, not the uterus).  I keep wondering if people who are trying restrict access to abortion have had any experience with complications in pregnancy.</p>
<p>Thanks for your post.</p>
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		<title>By: stay78</title>
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		<dc:creator>stay78</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 15:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maggie-

I want to thank you for being so brave and sharing your experience.  I am very sorry for you and your husband&#039;s loss.  However, I am extremely grateful you&#039;ve decided to speak out about your experience thereby comforting other men and women who&#039;ve made the same difficult choice.  I believe Abortion is NOT a debate about killing babies, but rather a debate about women&#039;s health.  Thank you again for speaking out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maggie-</p>
<p>I want to thank you for being so brave and sharing your experience.  I am very sorry for you and your husband&#8217;s loss.  However, I am extremely grateful you&#8217;ve decided to speak out about your experience thereby comforting other men and women who&#8217;ve made the same difficult choice.  I believe Abortion is NOT a debate about killing babies, but rather a debate about women&#8217;s health.  Thank you again for speaking out!</p>
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		<title>By: Saltine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saltine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 12:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m from the rural South, and I have lived in the Delta and in Appalachia, where pro-life sentiments are common. You should add to sheer mean-spiritedness willful ignorance. Many of the pro-life types I&#039;ve met and talked to would greet ANY discussion of the biology of reproduction with some, generally scriptural, equivalent of fingers in ears and LA-LA-LA.

The ignorant part, but maybe not the willful part, goes for the college students I&#039;ve taught who are pro-life. Many of them have no knowledge of the actual religious dogma of their own faith, of extreme statements by people like England, nor any beyond the dimmest understanding of reproductive biology.

I know I sound like an arrogant silent-P Rick, but this really is my experience of people on this issue. I keep listening, and my heart keeps getting broken by what hear.  It&#039;s horrible that people want to control the lives of others on the basis of so little knowledge. But I guess that&#039;s how it always is. 

I honestly believe than education has a slim chance of changing people, especially as education tends to introduce a little empathy too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m from the rural South, and I have lived in the Delta and in Appalachia, where pro-life sentiments are common. You should add to sheer mean-spiritedness willful ignorance. Many of the pro-life types I&#8217;ve met and talked to would greet ANY discussion of the biology of reproduction with some, generally scriptural, equivalent of fingers in ears and LA-LA-LA.</p>
<p>The ignorant part, but maybe not the willful part, goes for the college students I&#8217;ve taught who are pro-life. Many of them have no knowledge of the actual religious dogma of their own faith, of extreme statements by people like England, nor any beyond the dimmest understanding of reproductive biology.</p>
<p>I know I sound like an arrogant silent-P Rick, but this really is my experience of people on this issue. I keep listening, and my heart keeps getting broken by what hear.  It&#8217;s horrible that people want to control the lives of others on the basis of so little knowledge. But I guess that&#8217;s how it always is. </p>
<p>I honestly believe than education has a slim chance of changing people, especially as education tends to introduce a little empathy too.</p>
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		<title>By: Krismom KStar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krismom KStar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 12:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maggie, I was only recently introduced to your articles, including the original entry on your D&amp;C decicion... certainly a heart-wrenching one. Thank you for choosing to share it with everyone...

I know very well the sadness of miscarriage and the pain of any type of &quot;abortion&quot; (totally agree with some who have said this term is a strange to hear being used in a different way than what we&#039;ve come to think of it as meaning... even being pro-choice, I hated hearing the doctors throw this term around when it referred to babies I had wanted so so much!). My partner &amp; I lost 3 angel babies before finally being able to bring our healthy son to term - for my pregnancies, the abnormality may have been a progesterone defficiency. 

I agree that much more needs to be done with breaking the silence surrounding pregnancy loss and I thank you for doing your part. It takes a lot of courage to share this story...

~krismom
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maggie, I was only recently introduced to your articles, including the original entry on your D&amp;C decicion&#8230; certainly a heart-wrenching one. Thank you for choosing to share it with everyone&#8230;</p>
<p>I know very well the sadness of miscarriage and the pain of any type of &#8220;abortion&#8221; (totally agree with some who have said this term is a strange to hear being used in a different way than what we&#8217;ve come to think of it as meaning&#8230; even being pro-choice, I hated hearing the doctors throw this term around when it referred to babies I had wanted so so much!). My partner &amp; I lost 3 angel babies before finally being able to bring our healthy son to term &#8211; for my pregnancies, the abnormality may have been a progesterone defficiency. </p>
<p>I agree that much more needs to be done with breaking the silence surrounding pregnancy loss and I thank you for doing your part. It takes a lot of courage to share this story&#8230;</p>
<p>~krismom</p>
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		<title>By: Nicky G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicky G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 03:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find a few of the comments in this thread a little concerning, although I certainly acknowledge I may be misinterpreting some of what&#039;s being said. But let&#039;s not forget, pro-choice vs. anti-abortion is not women being pitted against conservative/religious men. MANY vehement anti-abortion folks are, guess what, conservative/religious women. I sometimes pick up on what I perceive, anyway, to be a hint of an anti-male undertone in abortion debates, which I think severely clouds the issue. Many men support pro-choice, and many women do not. And vice versa of course. I suppose that&#039;s obvious to anyone with a brain, but there are definitely times where I think that some folks might not realize this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find a few of the comments in this thread a little concerning, although I certainly acknowledge I may be misinterpreting some of what&#8217;s being said. But let&#8217;s not forget, pro-choice vs. anti-abortion is not women being pitted against conservative/religious men. MANY vehement anti-abortion folks are, guess what, conservative/religious women. I sometimes pick up on what I perceive, anyway, to be a hint of an anti-male undertone in abortion debates, which I think severely clouds the issue. Many men support pro-choice, and many women do not. And vice versa of course. I suppose that&#8217;s obvious to anyone with a brain, but there are definitely times where I think that some folks might not realize this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kara Trott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kara Trott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 02:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been cautious to speak about these things as well, even though I feel strongly that women should always be offered a choice without shame.  Thank you for showing us a way to speak out and share, in a way that we may not be totally attacked in doing so.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been cautious to speak about these things as well, even though I feel strongly that women should always be offered a choice without shame.  Thank you for showing us a way to speak out and share, in a way that we may not be totally attacked in doing so.  </p>
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		<title>By: imaginedpigeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>imaginedpigeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 02:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Maggie for sharing your story. All the implications of Fetal Personhood upset me, too. Someone very close to me has been trying to have a baby for the last year, and she has had two miscarriages that each had to end in D&amp;C. It&#039;s heart wrenching. By Ohio law, doctors were required to offer her a death certificate, even though she was less than eight weeks along both times. It was like adding insult to injury even to be offered a death certificate. It&#039;s hard enough already. I know she reads BoingBoing and I hope that she&#039;s read these articles and that they have helped her in some way. Thank you again for sharing this very personal issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Maggie for sharing your story. All the implications of Fetal Personhood upset me, too. Someone very close to me has been trying to have a baby for the last year, and she has had two miscarriages that each had to end in D&amp;C. It&#8217;s heart wrenching. By Ohio law, doctors were required to offer her a death certificate, even though she was less than eight weeks along both times. It was like adding insult to injury even to be offered a death certificate. It&#8217;s hard enough already. I know she reads BoingBoing and I hope that she&#8217;s read these articles and that they have helped her in some way. Thank you again for sharing this very personal issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Perry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 01:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your posts are exactly in line with my feelings when I was faced with this decision last summer. At 8 weeks I  discovered I had a blighted ovum, and was given the option of miscarrying naturally or having a D&amp;C done. The D&amp;C was absolutely the right choice for me, and freaked me out quite a bit afterward at the idea of the alternative - knowing I&#039;d miscarry soon but waiting around for (possibly) several weeks for the inevitable to occur. The experience has made me even more pro-choice than I was pre-pregnancy. Thank you so much for writing so openly and honestly about your own experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your posts are exactly in line with my feelings when I was faced with this decision last summer. At 8 weeks I  discovered I had a blighted ovum, and was given the option of miscarrying naturally or having a D&amp;C done. The D&amp;C was absolutely the right choice for me, and freaked me out quite a bit afterward at the idea of the alternative &#8211; knowing I&#8217;d miscarry soon but waiting around for (possibly) several weeks for the inevitable to occur. The experience has made me even more pro-choice than I was pre-pregnancy. Thank you so much for writing so openly and honestly about your own experience.</p>
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		<title>By: deathisastar</title>
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		<dc:creator>deathisastar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 01:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maggie - thank you for having the courage to address this very personal but common issue. You&#039;re doing a great service to women. And I&#039;m a guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maggie &#8211; thank you for having the courage to address this very personal but common issue. You&#8217;re doing a great service to women. And I&#8217;m a guy.</p>
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		<title>By: thisbikeisatardis</title>
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		<dc:creator>thisbikeisatardis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 01:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you again for continuing to share your story. best of luck to you and your husband next time. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you again for continuing to share your story. best of luck to you and your husband next time. </p>
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		<title>By: Susan Carley Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Carley Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 00:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mister44, according to the photo&#039;s caption it is actually a tray prepared for a different procedure, one called a &quot;bone marrow biopsy&quot; (yep, they withdraw a bit of one&#039;s marrow to test for diseases of the blood). My guess is that the &quot;time out&quot; labels refer to points in the biopsy checklist that require the participants (physician, techs, even the patient sometimes) to take time out to verify important pieces of information like patient identification, type of procedure to be performed, location of procedure, etc. During a time out, all participants are supposed to literally stop what they are doing and give full attention to the questioner and to the answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mister44, according to the photo&#8217;s caption it is actually a tray prepared for a different procedure, one called a &#8220;bone marrow biopsy&#8221; (yep, they withdraw a bit of one&#8217;s marrow to test for diseases of the blood). My guess is that the &#8220;time out&#8221; labels refer to points in the biopsy checklist that require the participants (physician, techs, even the patient sometimes) to take time out to verify important pieces of information like patient identification, type of procedure to be performed, location of procedure, etc. During a time out, all participants are supposed to literally stop what they are doing and give full attention to the questioner and to the answer.</p>
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		<title>By: CH</title>
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		<dc:creator>CH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 23:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first number should probably have a &quot;or failed implantation&quot; added to it. If I have understood correctly, the definition of miscarriage is a loss of an early pregnancy, which means that anything before implantation (pregnancy) is not counted as a miscarriage. Before that it is &quot;just&quot; implantation failure (BTDT).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first number should probably have a &#8220;or failed implantation&#8221; added to it. If I have understood correctly, the definition of miscarriage is a loss of an early pregnancy, which means that anything before implantation (pregnancy) is not counted as a miscarriage. Before that it is &#8220;just&#8221; implantation failure (BTDT).</p>
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		<title>By: ZikZak</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZikZak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 23:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> didn&#039;t know that, thanks.  I&#039;d be surprised if no toxins had any effect, but it&#039;s good to know that they&#039;re not proven to be a common cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> didn&#8217;t know that, thanks.  I&#8217;d be surprised if no toxins had any effect, but it&#8217;s good to know that they&#8217;re not proven to be a common cause.</p>
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		<title>By: chgoliz</title>
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		<dc:creator>chgoliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad that you have found some measure of peace in getting a factual answer about the cause, Maggie.  Take care of yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad that you have found some measure of peace in getting a factual answer about the cause, Maggie.  Take care of yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister44</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I ask what the little orange thing that says &quot;time out&quot; is for?</description>
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		<title>By: AquaDad18</title>
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		<dc:creator>AquaDad18</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for talking about this, Maggie. My wife had two miscarriages.  One in the 90&#039;s and one in the 2000&#039;s.  Gratefully, we have two healthy boys, 20 years old and 10 years old. But each miscarriage was devastating.  I felt so helpless trying to console my wife. I can&#039;t even imagine what she was really feeling during that time. She could not express it to me and even if she tried, I was incapable of picking it up (being male and absolutely stupid in these matters). Counseling didn&#039;t help us at that time.  Some of those statistics you shared might help. Maybe.  I hope that talking about it openly, like you are doing here, will someday help minimize the unanswered &quot;mysteries&quot; and alleviate the shame and pain surrounding it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for talking about this, Maggie. My wife had two miscarriages.  One in the 90&#8242;s and one in the 2000&#8242;s.  Gratefully, we have two healthy boys, 20 years old and 10 years old. But each miscarriage was devastating.  I felt so helpless trying to console my wife. I can&#8217;t even imagine what she was really feeling during that time. She could not express it to me and even if she tried, I was incapable of picking it up (being male and absolutely stupid in these matters). Counseling didn&#8217;t help us at that time.  Some of those statistics you shared might help. Maybe.  I hope that talking about it openly, like you are doing here, will someday help minimize the unanswered &#8220;mysteries&#8221; and alleviate the shame and pain surrounding it.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried to pick up the anesthesia resident, which was particularly awkward since I worked there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to pick up the anesthesia resident, which was particularly awkward since I worked there.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie Koerth-Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie Koerth-Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, it&#039;s complicated. Any number is a rough estimate. As I mentioned above, I&#039;m getting this from reading Jon Cohen&#039;s excellent reporting on the several different large studies that have been done on miscarriage frequency. 

My understanding: 
&gt;50-75% of conceptions end in miscarriage
&gt;30-50% of implanted pregnancies end in miscarriage. 

The numbers drop significantly each week you&#039;re pregnant. It&#039;s really common to have a miscarriage in the first week of pregnancy (like my first miscarriage). It&#039;s much less common to have a miscarriage after you&#039;ve detected a heartbeat ... roughly after the 6th week, as in my second miscarriage. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, it&#8217;s complicated. Any number is a rough estimate. As I mentioned above, I&#8217;m getting this from reading Jon Cohen&#8217;s excellent reporting on the several different large studies that have been done on miscarriage frequency. </p>
<p>My understanding: <br />
&gt;50-75% of conceptions end in miscarriage<br />
&gt;30-50% of implanted pregnancies end in miscarriage. </p>
<p>The numbers drop significantly each week you&#8217;re pregnant. It&#8217;s really common to have a miscarriage in the first week of pregnancy (like my first miscarriage). It&#8217;s much less common to have a miscarriage after you&#8217;ve detected a heartbeat &#8230; roughly after the 6th week, as in my second miscarriage. </p>
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		<title>By: Maggie Koerth-Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie Koerth-Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YES. And that&#039;s another excellent point. 

These people don&#039;t JUST want to take away your right to decide what to do when you don&#039;t want to be pregnant. They also want to control your choices when you have lost a pregnancy you wanted, AND when you can&#039;t get pregnant and want to be. 

The biggest thing I want women to understand about this: Even if you want babies ... craptons of babies ... and don&#039;t think that elective abortion is okay, you should still be pro-choice. Because these people are out to get you, too. We stand together here. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES. And that&#8217;s another excellent point. </p>
<p>These people don&#8217;t JUST want to take away your right to decide what to do when you don&#8217;t want to be pregnant. They also want to control your choices when you have lost a pregnancy you wanted, AND when you can&#8217;t get pregnant and want to be. </p>
<p>The biggest thing I want women to understand about this: Even if you want babies &#8230; craptons of babies &#8230; and don&#8217;t think that elective abortion is okay, you should still be pro-choice. Because these people are out to get you, too. We stand together here. </p>
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		<title>By: Maggie Koerth-Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie Koerth-Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup. That&#039;s one part of why it feel like there are more miscarriages today than there are in the past. Because more women know sooner when they are pregnant. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup. That&#8217;s one part of why it feel like there are more miscarriages today than there are in the past. Because more women know sooner when they are pregnant. </p>
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		<title>By: CH</title>
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		<dc:creator>CH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it creates an unresolvable dichotomy between the rights of women and the rights of the foetus; it&#039;s biologically illiterate; it leads to policies that result in harm to women.&quot;
Um... I don&#039;t think those points are in any way relevant for those who want legal personhood from the point of conception.

I don&#039;t know about your country, but in my country anybody dying at home is getting an investigation, no matter what age. So, my guess for what would happen if foetuses were given personhood is that any woman miscarrying in a non-hospital setting would have to prove that they actually had a miscarriage and not an abortion (probably by having a doctor&#039;s examination).

But how do we know if a foetus needs protection if we don&#039;t know who is pregnant and who isn&#039;t? Perhaps there should be a monthly mandated pregnancy test? Oh, and of course a national register of women between menarch and menopause? Not to mention a list of &quot;known miscarriers&quot; so the Foetal Protection Agency can make crack downs on fertility clinics and take into custody the embryos.

That last bit is hyperbole... but... if foetuses had legal personhood, wouldn&#039;t a doctor transfering an embryo into the womb of a woman who has had several miscarriages and no live birth be on pretty shaky legal ground? And what about all the embryos who most probably aren&#039;t viable (not multiplying in an expected manner), and wouldn&#039;t currently be transfered? I guess they should all be transfered, too. Or at least get a decent burial!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it creates an unresolvable dichotomy between the rights of women and the rights of the foetus; it&#8217;s biologically illiterate; it leads to policies that result in harm to women.&#8221;<br />
Um&#8230; I don&#8217;t think those points are in any way relevant for those who want legal personhood from the point of conception.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about your country, but in my country anybody dying at home is getting an investigation, no matter what age. So, my guess for what would happen if foetuses were given personhood is that any woman miscarrying in a non-hospital setting would have to prove that they actually had a miscarriage and not an abortion (probably by having a doctor&#8217;s examination).</p>
<p>But how do we know if a foetus needs protection if we don&#8217;t know who is pregnant and who isn&#8217;t? Perhaps there should be a monthly mandated pregnancy test? Oh, and of course a national register of women between menarch and menopause? Not to mention a list of &#8220;known miscarriers&#8221; so the Foetal Protection Agency can make crack downs on fertility clinics and take into custody the embryos.</p>
<p>That last bit is hyperbole&#8230; but&#8230; if foetuses had legal personhood, wouldn&#8217;t a doctor transfering an embryo into the womb of a woman who has had several miscarriages and no live birth be on pretty shaky legal ground? And what about all the embryos who most probably aren&#8217;t viable (not multiplying in an expected manner), and wouldn&#8217;t currently be transfered? I guess they should all be transfered, too. Or at least get a decent burial!</p>
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