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	<title>Comments on: Poop Strong: Cancer patient whose costs exceeded insurance cap wins victory, via&#160;Twitter</title>
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		<title>By: occams_razor_wit</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/28/poop-strong-young-cancer-pati.html#comment-1494802</link>
		<dc:creator>occams_razor_wit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like Mr Guha has discovered the seed of a great new startup idea.  Everybody just needs to hire a team of Twitter marketing gurus and then they will be able to pay for their cancer treatment, liver transplant, or premature baby.

Or we could have a rational sane system.

Nah. This is Amurrca. Better stick to the marketing gurus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like Mr Guha has discovered the seed of a great new startup idea.  Everybody just needs to hire a team of Twitter marketing gurus and then they will be able to pay for their cancer treatment, liver transplant, or premature baby.</p>
<p>Or we could have a rational sane system.</p>
<p>Nah. This is Amurrca. Better stick to the marketing gurus.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Carley Oliver</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/28/poop-strong-young-cancer-pati.html#comment-1493436</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Carley Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$250 per month for a family&#039;s health insurance premium? Surely you dropped a zero there!

I pay $700 per month just for myself.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$250 per month for a family&#8217;s health insurance premium? Surely you dropped a zero there!</p>
<p>I pay $700 per month just for myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Deidzoeb</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/28/poop-strong-young-cancer-pati.html#comment-1493262</link>
		<dc:creator>Deidzoeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you say each generation of advanced technology or equipment costs about double to build than the last, do you mean the costs of raw materials and labor and R&amp;D, or does that include some capitalists squeezing profit out of the medical-device industry? Parasites should be removed from the system anywhere they can be found.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you say each generation of advanced technology or equipment costs about double to build than the last, do you mean the costs of raw materials and labor and R&amp;D, or does that include some capitalists squeezing profit out of the medical-device industry? Parasites should be removed from the system anywhere they can be found.</p>
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		<title>By: tft</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/28/poop-strong-young-cancer-pati.html#comment-1493205</link>
		<dc:creator>tft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have checked out other options, and I did not take any offense at your suggestion. I appreciate it, actually.


My tumor, which was attached to my stomach, had clear margins. Cutting out the tumor and the half of my stomach that had the tumor attached to it was considered curative, so I don&#039;t worry much.

But, the fear of recurrence exists inside me. That&#039;s not comfortable, but it doesn&#039;t quite scare me to death. Yet.

Thanks for your advice.

If anyone wants to help me, I am starting a non-profit preschool for under-served kids. You can make a tax-deductible donation at www.tsoth.org

Once it&#039;s up and running, I will get insurance! And I will help some kids! Come on, folks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have checked out other options, and I did not take any offense at your suggestion. I appreciate it, actually.</p>
<p>My tumor, which was attached to my stomach, had clear margins. Cutting out the tumor and the half of my stomach that had the tumor attached to it was considered curative, so I don&#8217;t worry much.</p>
<p>But, the fear of recurrence exists inside me. That&#8217;s not comfortable, but it doesn&#8217;t quite scare me to death. Yet.</p>
<p>Thanks for your advice.</p>
<p>If anyone wants to help me, I am starting a non-profit preschool for under-served kids. You can make a tax-deductible donation at <a href="http://www.tsoth.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.tsoth.org</a></p>
<p>Once it&#8217;s up and running, I will get insurance! And I will help some kids! Come on, folks!</p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/28/poop-strong-young-cancer-pati.html#comment-1493081</link>
		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This endless page thing from Storify is the worst embedding experience I&#8217;ve ever seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiche de Resistance</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/28/poop-strong-young-cancer-pati.html#comment-1493073</link>
		<dc:creator>Quiche de Resistance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poopstrong should start selling brown rubber bracelets.</description>
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		<title>By: tubacat</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/28/poop-strong-young-cancer-pati.html#comment-1492754</link>
		<dc:creator>tubacat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> PS - sorry if I suggested things that you almost certainly have already looked into (I know that can be annoying). It&#039;s just so frustrating, and I have extra empathy for fellow survivors - and fellow teachers!

best,
Laurie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> PS &#8211; sorry if I suggested things that you almost certainly have already looked into (I know that can be annoying). It&#8217;s just so frustrating, and I have extra empathy for fellow survivors &#8211; and fellow teachers!</p>
<p>best,<br />
Laurie</p>
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		<title>By: tubacat</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/28/poop-strong-young-cancer-pati.html#comment-1492752</link>
		<dc:creator>tubacat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a cancer survivor myself, but luckily don&#039;t have to take meds now (other long-term side effects, but that&#039;s a different story). Your situation makes me fume, and worry. When I was under treatment, some of my fellow patients in the support group were receiving free or low-cost care from a community health center. I&#039;m assuming you&#039;ve checked that out? Or even written directly to the company that makes the meds, requesting free or cheaper ones? Obviously, the whole system sucks and you should never have been put in this situation. But until it&#039;s better, I hope the odds continue to be on your side... 

best,
Laurie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a cancer survivor myself, but luckily don&#8217;t have to take meds now (other long-term side effects, but that&#8217;s a different story). Your situation makes me fume, and worry. When I was under treatment, some of my fellow patients in the support group were receiving free or low-cost care from a community health center. I&#8217;m assuming you&#8217;ve checked that out? Or even written directly to the company that makes the meds, requesting free or cheaper ones? Obviously, the whole system sucks and you should never have been put in this situation. But until it&#8217;s better, I hope the odds continue to be on your side&#8230; </p>
<p>best,<br />
Laurie</p>
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		<title>By: Rachael Hoffman-Dachelet</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/28/poop-strong-young-cancer-pati.html#comment-1492748</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachael Hoffman-Dachelet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This!  My kid needed dental surgery, the dentist said it would be a few hundred dollars.  Try $13,000.00, which we didn&#039;t find out till after the fact.  Until doctors and hospitals have to honestly state costs up front and we can shop around none of the rest is going to make a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This!  My kid needed dental surgery, the dentist said it would be a few hundred dollars.  Try $13,000.00, which we didn&#8217;t find out till after the fact.  Until doctors and hospitals have to honestly state costs up front and we can shop around none of the rest is going to make a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/28/poop-strong-young-cancer-pati.html#comment-1492743</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$250 per month?  I pay $600 for just me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$250 per month?  I pay $600 for just me.</p>
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		<title>By: James Lang</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/28/poop-strong-young-cancer-pati.html#comment-1492742</link>
		<dc:creator>James Lang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Healthcare is not like home owners insurance.  You can judge how much you need in for homeowners insurance.  How much is good enough for health insurance?  No one really knows.  Plus health insurance is far more expensive than homeowners inurances.  

So, to get that extra coverage how much more would that cost?  Many people with families allready spend well over $250 per month for health insurance meanwhile their homeowners insurance may be 1/5th that cost.

Medical insurance is broken, medical billing practices are broken, the whole system is broken.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Healthcare is not like home owners insurance.  You can judge how much you need in for homeowners insurance.  How much is good enough for health insurance?  No one really knows.  Plus health insurance is far more expensive than homeowners inurances.  </p>
<p>So, to get that extra coverage how much more would that cost?  Many people with families allready spend well over $250 per month for health insurance meanwhile their homeowners insurance may be 1/5th that cost.</p>
<p>Medical insurance is broken, medical billing practices are broken, the whole system is broken.  </p>
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		<title>By: James Greene</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why I can appreciate the need for a just and fair health care system, the bottom line is that they will find another way to get their money. For example, the cost of student health care at UNCC doubled this year due to the increasing cost that is a result of the Obama care act. It seems to be that the rising cost is put on us. Maybe our coverage will be better in the long run, as a result, but we will pay a lot more for it. For the student, though, their is little other choice. The only option I found was to get Blue Cross/Blue Shield coverage for about the same price with a 20000 dollar deductible on everything but prescriptions. That is totally pointless and absurd. Of course, the school forces us to take the school policy if we don&#039;t have our own coverage. I suppose I will be eating a lot more ramen noodles this semester while CEOs get 10 million dollar bonuses. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why I can appreciate the need for a just and fair health care system, the bottom line is that they will find another way to get their money. For example, the cost of student health care at UNCC doubled this year due to the increasing cost that is a result of the Obama care act. It seems to be that the rising cost is put on us. Maybe our coverage will be better in the long run, as a result, but we will pay a lot more for it. For the student, though, their is little other choice. The only option I found was to get Blue Cross/Blue Shield coverage for about the same price with a 20000 dollar deductible on everything but prescriptions. That is totally pointless and absurd. Of course, the school forces us to take the school policy if we don&#8217;t have our own coverage. I suppose I will be eating a lot more ramen noodles this semester while CEOs get 10 million dollar bonuses. </p>
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		<title>By: Max Zadow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/28/poop-strong-young-cancer-pati.html#comment-1492701</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Zadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I developed a severe disability at the age of eight, and have had frequent hospital stays and operations in the thirty years since. As a result of the pan relieving drugs I took I have kidney stones. Recently, I created my own tech start-up. Because I live in the UK my parents were not bankrupted and I can afford to take the risk of being an entrepreneur.

It weirds me out how Americans put up with healthcare that fails the majority so savagely badly. OK, so a few millionaires and billionaires get better treatment, but is that worth the suffering of everyone else?

For me, I say Hurrah for the National Health Service and the value for money job it does for everyone. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I developed a severe disability at the age of eight, and have had frequent hospital stays and operations in the thirty years since. As a result of the pan relieving drugs I took I have kidney stones. Recently, I created my own tech start-up. Because I live in the UK my parents were not bankrupted and I can afford to take the risk of being an entrepreneur.</p>
<p>It weirds me out how Americans put up with healthcare that fails the majority so savagely badly. OK, so a few millionaires and billionaires get better treatment, but is that worth the suffering of everyone else?</p>
<p>For me, I say Hurrah for the National Health Service and the value for money job it does for everyone. </p>
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		<title>By: James Penrose</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/28/poop-strong-young-cancer-pati.html#comment-1492689</link>
		<dc:creator>James Penrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The system is broken,&quot; said Bertolini. &quot;I really am trying to fix it.&quot;&quot;

With respect, in this instance it is not broken.  The limit is there, it is known, it is in the policy it affected how much the insurance cost.

Just like other forms of insurance that have specific policy limits, you can or should be able to arrange for coverage that kicks in when the initial policy limit is met.

If you have a policy that pays $100,000 on your house but your house sustains $200,000 of damage, the insurance company is not responsible for that difference.

If you felt you needed more coverage why did you not buy it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The system is broken,&#8221; said Bertolini. &#8220;I really am trying to fix it.&#8221;"</p>
<p>With respect, in this instance it is not broken.  The limit is there, it is known, it is in the policy it affected how much the insurance cost.</p>
<p>Just like other forms of insurance that have specific policy limits, you can or should be able to arrange for coverage that kicks in when the initial policy limit is met.</p>
<p>If you have a policy that pays $100,000 on your house but your house sustains $200,000 of damage, the insurance company is not responsible for that difference.</p>
<p>If you felt you needed more coverage why did you not buy it?</p>
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		<title>By: lavardera</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/28/poop-strong-young-cancer-pati.html#comment-1492674</link>
		<dc:creator>lavardera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you</p>
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		<title>By: penguinchris</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/28/poop-strong-young-cancer-pati.html#comment-1492659</link>
		<dc:creator>penguinchris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@lavardera:disqus was being sarcastic ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lavardera:disqus was being sarcastic ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Mordicai</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/28/poop-strong-young-cancer-pati.html#comment-1492658</link>
		<dc:creator>Mordicai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lifetime limit&quot;? 

Oh the hell with this, let&#039;s be socialists already, this...hey!  Did someone say &quot;death panel?&quot;  I guess the right wing has a point; corporations ARE more efficient...why waste time with a PANEL when you can just deny them health care right out of the gate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lifetime limit&#8221;? </p>
<p>Oh the hell with this, let&#8217;s be socialists already, this&#8230;hey!  Did someone say &#8220;death panel?&#8221;  I guess the right wing has a point; corporations ARE more efficient&#8230;why waste time with a PANEL when you can just deny them health care right out of the gate?</p>
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		<title>By: snowmentality</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/28/poop-strong-young-cancer-pati.html#comment-1492638</link>
		<dc:creator>snowmentality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. I just saw the bill from a recent emergency surgery I had. Totaled $36,000. 

I have good insurance so I paid about $300 out of pocket. But &lt;em&gt;damn&lt;/em&gt;.

I&#039;m okay now -- the surgery fixed what needed fixing. The condition is controllable through insurance-covered medication, so it probably won&#039;t recur and require another surgery. (It&#039;s not cancer.) (It was caused by genetic predisposition, not by choices I made, not that that should matter.)

My unlucky roll of the dice could have been a lot worse. It makes me sick with worry to think about it. And then it makes me furious that I live in a country where I have to worry about that so much. 

My good insurance is based on being legally married to a partner who managed to get a job with full benefits including unusually good, low-cost health insurance -- a job he&#039;s actually ready to move on from to start his own business, but doesn&#039;t feel able to do so unless I get a job with equally good benefits, because what if something like this happens again? 

So many life decisions have to be based on figuring out whether they&#039;ll prevent you from being able to go to a doctor when you&#039;re sick. And you can&#039;t control all the variables.

My best wishes to Arijit -- for healing, strength, and lack of insurance struggles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. I just saw the bill from a recent emergency surgery I had. Totaled $36,000. </p>
<p>I have good insurance so I paid about $300 out of pocket. But <em>damn</em>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m okay now &#8212; the surgery fixed what needed fixing. The condition is controllable through insurance-covered medication, so it probably won&#8217;t recur and require another surgery. (It&#8217;s not cancer.) (It was caused by genetic predisposition, not by choices I made, not that that should matter.)</p>
<p>My unlucky roll of the dice could have been a lot worse. It makes me sick with worry to think about it. And then it makes me furious that I live in a country where I have to worry about that so much. </p>
<p>My good insurance is based on being legally married to a partner who managed to get a job with full benefits including unusually good, low-cost health insurance &#8212; a job he&#8217;s actually ready to move on from to start his own business, but doesn&#8217;t feel able to do so unless I get a job with equally good benefits, because what if something like this happens again? </p>
<p>So many life decisions have to be based on figuring out whether they&#8217;ll prevent you from being able to go to a doctor when you&#8217;re sick. And you can&#8217;t control all the variables.</p>
<p>My best wishes to Arijit &#8212; for healing, strength, and lack of insurance struggles.</p>
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		<title>By: BlackPanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlackPanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Indeed. I&#039;ve had a medically unexplained persistent cough for 3 years, for which I&#039;ve had a number of chest X-rays, MRI scans, gastroscopy, asthma and allergy tests, referral to respiratory specialists etc, and in the past month due to my reflux and a helicobacter pylori infection, I&#039;ve been admitted to hospital for dehydration as a consequence of being unable to even keep down water and am currently taking 3 weeks off work for it . I&#039;m on 7 separate prescriptions as we speak.

How much would that cost me in America?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Indeed. I&#8217;ve had a medically unexplained persistent cough for 3 years, for which I&#8217;ve had a number of chest X-rays, MRI scans, gastroscopy, asthma and allergy tests, referral to respiratory specialists etc, and in the past month due to my reflux and a helicobacter pylori infection, I&#8217;ve been admitted to hospital for dehydration as a consequence of being unable to even keep down water and am currently taking 3 weeks off work for it . I&#8217;m on 7 separate prescriptions as we speak.</p>
<p>How much would that cost me in America?</p>
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		<title>By: Momscience</title>
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		<dc:creator>Momscience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My family was in the same boat before &quot;Obamacare&quot;.  I hope that Arijit has a wonderful, long life free from insurance worries. : )
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My family was in the same boat before &#8220;Obamacare&#8221;.  I hope that Arijit has a wonderful, long life free from insurance worries. : )</p>
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		<title>By: Maîtresse Pantomime</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/28/poop-strong-young-cancer-pati.html#comment-1492563</link>
		<dc:creator>Maîtresse Pantomime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 14:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lavarera, I know many Brits, have family from UK and grew up in Canada. I can tell you without a doubt, Brits are not complaining about their healthcare. 

Don&#039;t believe it.  They sure wouldn&#039;t want what the American&#039;s have. It&#039;s an absolute disgrace what the USA spends on defense but won&#039;t spend on keeping their own citizens healthy.  It&#039;s also unforgivable at what the healthcare providers charge. I&#039;ve seen co-pay bills that put a lot of Americans in bankruptcy, or caused them to lose their homes. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lavarera, I know many Brits, have family from UK and grew up in Canada. I can tell you without a doubt, Brits are not complaining about their healthcare. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t believe it.  They sure wouldn&#8217;t want what the American&#8217;s have. It&#8217;s an absolute disgrace what the USA spends on defense but won&#8217;t spend on keeping their own citizens healthy.  It&#8217;s also unforgivable at what the healthcare providers charge. I&#8217;ve seen co-pay bills that put a lot of Americans in bankruptcy, or caused them to lose their homes. </p>
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		<title>By: OgilvyTheAstronomer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/28/poop-strong-young-cancer-pati.html#comment-1492485</link>
		<dc:creator>OgilvyTheAstronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that cosmetic, non-reconstructive plastic surgery qualifies as &quot;health care&quot; under any sane interpretation of the term; rather the opposite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that cosmetic, non-reconstructive plastic surgery qualifies as &#8220;health care&#8221; under any sane interpretation of the term; rather the opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: BlackPanda</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/28/poop-strong-young-cancer-pati.html#comment-1492484</link>
		<dc:creator>BlackPanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Britisher, I find these stories somewhat disturbing. Even moreso when I look at your defence budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Britisher, I find these stories somewhat disturbing. Even moreso when I look at your defence budget.</p>
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		<title>By: Arijit Guha</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/28/poop-strong-young-cancer-pati.html#comment-1492459</link>
		<dc:creator>Arijit Guha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 08:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I certainly can&#039;t speak for the Arizona Board of Regents (ABOR, the controlling body for ASU, U of A, and NAU — who administers the student health plan), I suspect there were a few factors at play. 


For one, perhaps even more so than other public institutions, the Arizona public university system is fairly constrained for money. This means they can&#039;t afford the sorts of plans that schools like Harvard, for instance, offer to grad students. Keep in mind, though, that ASU isn&#039;t an outlier. Most colleges and universities haven&#039;t offered especially comprehensive health insurance plans. (See this GAO report [.pdf]: http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08389.pdf and a recent post at Think Progress on the weak coverage of some plans: http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/06/04/494335/student-insurance-expanded-coverage/?mobile=nc).

Part of this, it&#039;s worth noting, is because the insurers had overwhelming bargaining power and were likely treating these plans as an almost pure profit-making venture — at times pocketing more than 1/2 the $ they collected in premiums as profits, while paying out a minority of collected premiums in actual claims. (For instance, see here: http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2010/04/09/nyregion/09colleges.html?ref=nyregion). 

My suspicion is that the insurers were willing to offer more generous plans, but charged far more for those plans than public institutions were able to pay. Which is absurd, frankly, since students represent a healthier-than-average population and they are covered for a limited amount of time; hence, it&#039;s exceedingly unlikely many students will ever be in a situation like me. As such, I&#039;m pretty sure the actuaries working at these companies are well aware that the increased costs in terms of benefit payouts by the insurers if benefits caps were to increase would be fairly minimal, especially when spread across a relatively large population.

Interestingly, when the companies were limited in their Medical Loss Ratio (the amount in premiums collected that must be paid out in benefits — one of the provisions of Obamacare) and required to lift lifetime caps, the new plan offered by Aetna to ABOR (the one I mentioned above, that begins on August 16) costs no more than the previous far less generous insurance plan. In other words, thanks to some of the new regulations limiting how much insurers can mark up their product and pocket extra profits, we just called their bluff. We&#039;ve now got a far more generous product (e.g., the $300k lifetime cap has been replaced with a $1 million annual cap, and all caps will disappear by 2014) for the SAME COST. 

So, either this means: (1)  ABOR and many other university systems in the past for some reason decided to go for a low-quality product even though they could have purchased a plan with greater benefits for the same price; or, (2) the insurance companies inflated the costs of more comprehensive products in the past because they were a pure profit-making venture, virtually unrestricted in terms of how much they were paying out versus how much they were collecting in premiums. Universities had little bargaining power and they ended up with a crappier product and the net result was that students like me suffered. 

Which of those two options do you think were more likely?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I certainly can&#8217;t speak for the Arizona Board of Regents (ABOR, the controlling body for ASU, U of A, and NAU — who administers the student health plan), I suspect there were a few factors at play. </p>
<p>For one, perhaps even more so than other public institutions, the Arizona public university system is fairly constrained for money. This means they can&#8217;t afford the sorts of plans that schools like Harvard, for instance, offer to grad students. Keep in mind, though, that ASU isn&#8217;t an outlier. Most colleges and universities haven&#8217;t offered especially comprehensive health insurance plans. (See this GAO report [.pdf]: http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08389.pdf and a recent post at Think Progress on the weak coverage of some plans: http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/06/04/494335/student-insurance-expanded-coverage/?mobile=nc).</p>
<p>Part of this, it&#8217;s worth noting, is because the insurers had overwhelming bargaining power and were likely treating these plans as an almost pure profit-making venture — at times pocketing more than 1/2 the $ they collected in premiums as profits, while paying out a minority of collected premiums in actual claims. (For instance, see here: http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2010/04/09/nyregion/09colleges.html?ref=nyregion). </p>
<p>My suspicion is that the insurers were willing to offer more generous plans, but charged far more for those plans than public institutions were able to pay. Which is absurd, frankly, since students represent a healthier-than-average population and they are covered for a limited amount of time; hence, it&#8217;s exceedingly unlikely many students will ever be in a situation like me. As such, I&#8217;m pretty sure the actuaries working at these companies are well aware that the increased costs in terms of benefit payouts by the insurers if benefits caps were to increase would be fairly minimal, especially when spread across a relatively large population.</p>
<p>Interestingly, when the companies were limited in their Medical Loss Ratio (the amount in premiums collected that must be paid out in benefits — one of the provisions of Obamacare) and required to lift lifetime caps, the new plan offered by Aetna to ABOR (the one I mentioned above, that begins on August 16) costs no more than the previous far less generous insurance plan. In other words, thanks to some of the new regulations limiting how much insurers can mark up their product and pocket extra profits, we just called their bluff. We&#8217;ve now got a far more generous product (e.g., the $300k lifetime cap has been replaced with a $1 million annual cap, and all caps will disappear by 2014) for the SAME COST. </p>
<p>So, either this means: (1)  ABOR and many other university systems in the past for some reason decided to go for a low-quality product even though they could have purchased a plan with greater benefits for the same price; or, (2) the insurance companies inflated the costs of more comprehensive products in the past because they were a pure profit-making venture, virtually unrestricted in terms of how much they were paying out versus how much they were collecting in premiums. Universities had little bargaining power and they ended up with a crappier product and the net result was that students like me suffered. </p>
<p>Which of those two options do you think were more likely?</p>
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		<title>By: sabik</title>
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		<dc:creator>sabik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 07:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember, the US government is already spending the $3000 per capita per annum it takes to pay for a public health system. It&#039;s spending more per capita than the UK or Canada!

The difference is that in the UK or Canada, that&#039;s the bulk of the cost, while in the US people have to pay (on average) another $3000 out of their own pockets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember, the US government is already spending the $3000 per capita per annum it takes to pay for a public health system. It&#8217;s spending more per capita than the UK or Canada!</p>
<p>The difference is that in the UK or Canada, that&#8217;s the bulk of the cost, while in the US people have to pay (on average) another $3000 out of their own pockets.</p>
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		<title>By: sabik</title>
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		<dc:creator>sabik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 07:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point with any insurance is that everybody pays in the average amount, rather than most people paying very little and an unlucky few going broke.

As among the members, it&#039;s all good. The problem is that the administering entity has other incentives, more so if it&#039;s a corporation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point with any insurance is that everybody pays in the average amount, rather than most people paying very little and an unlucky few going broke.</p>
<p>As among the members, it&#8217;s all good. The problem is that the administering entity has other incentives, more so if it&#8217;s a corporation.</p>
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		<title>By: JonS</title>
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		<dc:creator>JonS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 06:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> It&#039;s not a zero-sum game, that&#039;s just the lie you&#039;ve been fed. Insurance companies get a - more-or-less - guaranteed income every month. Given the size of the US health insurance market, that is a MASSIVE income every month. They get to invest that money in the short term, and make /more/ money. 

They could pay out 100% of what they take in in premiums, and still make out like bandits. Instead, they profit on investments AND stiff customers on their premiums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> It&#8217;s not a zero-sum game, that&#8217;s just the lie you&#8217;ve been fed. Insurance companies get a &#8211; more-or-less &#8211; guaranteed income every month. Given the size of the US health insurance market, that is a MASSIVE income every month. They get to invest that money in the short term, and make /more/ money. </p>
<p>They could pay out 100% of what they take in in premiums, and still make out like bandits. Instead, they profit on investments AND stiff customers on their premiums.</p>
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		<title>By: ocschwar</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/28/poop-strong-young-cancer-pati.html#comment-1492375</link>
		<dc:creator>ocschwar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 04:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to know why ASU ever negotiated a plan wtih a 300K cap. It is so easy to come up with scenarios besides cancer where a student will run up way more than that in costs. An easy one is student getting hit by a hit and run driver and breaking the pelvis.  Half a mil when you add up the rehab costs. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to know why ASU ever negotiated a plan wtih a 300K cap. It is so easy to come up with scenarios besides cancer where a student will run up way more than that in costs. An easy one is student getting hit by a hit and run driver and breaking the pelvis.  Half a mil when you add up the rehab costs. </p>
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		<title>By: bcsizemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bcsizemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 04:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if your slice of the pie was coming from the total amount of money moving through the system, you probably wouldn&#039;t do a lot to slow the growth of it down either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if your slice of the pie was coming from the total amount of money moving through the system, you probably wouldn&#8217;t do a lot to slow the growth of it down either.</p>
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		<title>By: lavardera</title>
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		<dc:creator>lavardera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 03:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Single Payer national healthcare. The UK hate it so much they dedicated a portion of their olympic opening ceremony to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Single Payer national healthcare. The UK hate it so much they dedicated a portion of their olympic opening ceremony to it.</p>
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