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	<title>Comments on: The $9 cardboard&#160;bicycle</title>
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		<title>By: Timothy Frederick</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1498133</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Frederick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 02:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bain Capital or some American will buy it, ship to China and several other Countries, then back across the Ocean to be more competitive, with who we do not know, and charge $1,500 to some nut who will ride it a couple of times.  Then another American will buy it, sell it to Movie Stars and Pro Athletes wives for $8,000.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bain Capital or some American will buy it, ship to China and several other Countries, then back across the Ocean to be more competitive, with who we do not know, and charge $1,500 to some nut who will ride it a couple of times.  Then another American will buy it, sell it to Movie Stars and Pro Athletes wives for $8,000.  </p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Fulton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1498037</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Fulton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to see someone try to go ta a skate park with one of those things. After the 1st jump it would warp, the 2nd they would just eat it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to see someone try to go ta a skate park with one of those things. After the 1st jump it would warp, the 2nd they would just eat it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Fulton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1498038</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Fulton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*to</description>
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		<title>By: Jarett Chaiken</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1497696</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarett Chaiken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 17:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Direct and Indirect costs are not already factored in, then it does not cost $9 to make as the article says.  As for the extra parts it would be nice if you can pull them off, and replace the frame only, so you&#039;re first bike is in ~$100 range, and replacement frames are $12-25.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Direct and Indirect costs are not already factored in, then it does not cost $9 to make as the article says.  As for the extra parts it would be nice if you can pull them off, and replace the frame only, so you&#8217;re first bike is in ~$100 range, and replacement frames are $12-25.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1497378</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 10:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;d make sense at an industrial scale, and it makes sense as a prototype, but to put this amount of work into building a bike made out of cardboard otherwise would be madness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;d make sense at an industrial scale, and it makes sense as a prototype, but to put this amount of work into building a bike made out of cardboard otherwise would be madness.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1497376</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 10:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This has one advantage over the current welded frames: since the glue makes the joints actually stronger than weaker, you can achieve the same stability with less material.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://reynoldstechnology.biz/our_materials_853.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Reynolds 853&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This has one advantage over the current welded frames: since the glue makes the joints actually stronger than weaker, you can achieve the same stability with less material.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://reynoldstechnology.biz/our_materials_853.php" rel="nofollow">Reynolds 853</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1497372</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 10:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you really imagine bike tech truly &#039;matured&#039; a century ago, you know not of what you speak.

As far as I&#039;m concerned, the basic design wasn&#039;t completed until 1992, when Shimano introduced the brifter. Hyperglide (another Shimano innovation everyone had to copy) is pretty important too (allowing indexed gears to work well, paving the way for brifters), and only dates back to the mid 80s.

As for marketing dictating the constraints, yes and no. The modern narrow chains (9+ speed) are pretty silly, but just about every other recent change to industry standards has had a quite solid basis in engineering, and often doesn&#039;t necessarily cost any more.

I tell you what &lt;i&gt;works&lt;/i&gt; for a human-powered vehicle - efficiency. Using tech trapped in amber for a century doesn&#039;t help with that. 

Simplicity and durability isn&#039;t mutually exclusive with modernity, and I don&#039;t buy the argument that only the simplest bikes will do for the third world anyway. Give em 24 speed hybrids and they&#039;ll be bloody stoked; 1 in 30 people anywhere in the world is easily smart enough to figure out exactly how it all works, and to kludge a fix without proper parts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you really imagine bike tech truly &#8216;matured&#8217; a century ago, you know not of what you speak.</p>
<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned, the basic design wasn&#8217;t completed until 1992, when Shimano introduced the brifter. Hyperglide (another Shimano innovation everyone had to copy) is pretty important too (allowing indexed gears to work well, paving the way for brifters), and only dates back to the mid 80s.</p>
<p>As for marketing dictating the constraints, yes and no. The modern narrow chains (9+ speed) are pretty silly, but just about every other recent change to industry standards has had a quite solid basis in engineering, and often doesn&#8217;t necessarily cost any more.</p>
<p>I tell you what <i>works</i> for a human-powered vehicle &#8211; efficiency. Using tech trapped in amber for a century doesn&#8217;t help with that. </p>
<p>Simplicity and durability isn&#8217;t mutually exclusive with modernity, and I don&#8217;t buy the argument that only the simplest bikes will do for the third world anyway. Give em 24 speed hybrids and they&#8217;ll be bloody stoked; 1 in 30 people anywhere in the world is easily smart enough to figure out exactly how it all works, and to kludge a fix without proper parts.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1497368</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 10:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those of us who work on bikes have an acronym for these shitheaps: BSOs.

They aren&#039;t bikes, merely bike-shaped objects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those of us who work on bikes have an acronym for these shitheaps: BSOs.</p>
<p>They aren&#8217;t bikes, merely bike-shaped objects.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1496745</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 19:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like he used a belt rather than a chain drive.</description>
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		<title>By: tré</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1496620</link>
		<dc:creator>tré</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> @google-c5868c47252dbe2d7b51541d5f7b6f51:disqus  Because the brakes, wheels, gears, chain, seat, and more are not going to be made out of cardboard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> @google-c5868c47252dbe2d7b51541d5f7b6f51:disqus  Because the brakes, wheels, gears, chain, seat, and more are not going to be made out of cardboard.</p>
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		<title>By: traalfaz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1496310</link>
		<dc:creator>traalfaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some values of &quot;functional.&quot;  The &lt; $100 bikes in Wal*Mart are, honestly, dangerous if used in any serious manner.  If you take them to a park and ride them around a level, paved path at 10 MPH, they&#039;ll probably give you a few years worth of service, perhaps 100 miles or so.
If you try to use them for transportation, you&#039;ll find yourself replacing parts very soon, and I&#039;ve seen firsthand extremely dangerous failures due to really junk parts - brakes that simply snap off is the biggest example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some values of &#8220;functional.&#8221;  The &lt; $100 bikes in Wal*Mart are, honestly, dangerous if used in any serious manner.  If you take them to a park and ride them around a level, paved path at 10 MPH, they&#039;ll probably give you a few years worth of service, perhaps 100 miles or so.<br />
If you try to use them for transportation, you&#039;ll find yourself replacing parts very soon, and I&#039;ve seen firsthand extremely dangerous failures due to really junk parts &#8211; brakes that simply snap off is the biggest example.</p>
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		<title>By: traalfaz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1496312</link>
		<dc:creator>traalfaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see what it looked like after hitting a few dozen potholes at 20 MPH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see what it looked like after hitting a few dozen potholes at 20 MPH.</p>
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		<title>By: IamInnocent</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1496278</link>
		<dc:creator>IamInnocent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 11:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About that 600% markup: it isn&#039;t 600%.
One needs to factor in the manpower, the marketing, the factory overhead and, as stated in the article the extra parts in the cost + the 9$.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About that 600% markup: it isn&#8217;t 600%.<br />
One needs to factor in the manpower, the marketing, the factory overhead and, as stated in the article the extra parts in the cost + the 9$.</p>
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		<title>By: IamInnocent</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1496276</link>
		<dc:creator>IamInnocent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 11:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> My point was about the Walmart bikes. Yet my fear that it could fail at any moment might just give me that missing drop of adrenaline necessary to be able to outrace a bear on my way to James Bay. :D

I still can like the story, the effort and the... well... very original &quot;in the box&quot; thinking of that man without entertaining much hope that his design will dominate the World.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> My point was about the Walmart bikes. Yet my fear that it could fail at any moment might just give me that missing drop of adrenaline necessary to be able to outrace a bear on my way to James Bay. :D</p>
<p>I still can like the story, the effort and the&#8230; well&#8230; very original &#8220;in the box&#8221; thinking of that man without entertaining much hope that his design will dominate the World.</p>
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		<title>By: SoItBegins</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1496251</link>
		<dc:creator>SoItBegins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 10:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> When I hear &#039;BB&#039; I think BoingBoing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> When I hear &#8216;BB&#8217; I think BoingBoing.</p>
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		<title>By: Benedek Fazekas</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1496221</link>
		<dc:creator>Benedek Fazekas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can it be 3d printed? ;)</description>
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		<title>By: Shaun Martin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1496217</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 08:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this guy makes a innovative bike design, locks up every last bit of data in IP patents and then decides on a 600% markup. A much more humble 100% would enable the poor in developed and developing nations to get a bike, something they might not be able to afford otherwise. That being said though, at least metal bikes can be scavenged and rigged together. This thing doesn&#039;t look like it would survive such treatment. 

TL;DR: Meh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this guy makes a innovative bike design, locks up every last bit of data in IP patents and then decides on a 600% markup. A much more humble 100% would enable the poor in developed and developing nations to get a bike, something they might not be able to afford otherwise. That being said though, at least metal bikes can be scavenged and rigged together. This thing doesn&#8217;t look like it would survive such treatment. </p>
<p>TL;DR: Meh.</p>
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		<title>By: noah django</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1496215</link>
		<dc:creator>noah django</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 08:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that headset doesn&#039;t look like it&#039;s made of cardboard.  brake is off-the-shelf as previously mentioned.  bearings in the bottom bracket and wheels are for damn sure not cardboard.  drivetrain is probably a belt (good choice.)   what they mean is that the FRAME, and most of the wheels, and maybe the crank, is made of cardboard.

this $9 figure is specious as hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that headset doesn&#8217;t look like it&#8217;s made of cardboard.  brake is off-the-shelf as previously mentioned.  bearings in the bottom bracket and wheels are for damn sure not cardboard.  drivetrain is probably a belt (good choice.)   what they mean is that the FRAME, and most of the wheels, and maybe the crank, is made of cardboard.</p>
<p>this $9 figure is specious as hell.</p>
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		<title>By: LX</title>
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		<dc:creator>LX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 08:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has one advantage over the current welded frames: since the glue makes the joints actually stronger than weaker, you can achieve the same stability with less material.

I am very interested in how the results of this stunt will find their way into other developments, e.g. 3D-printing bikes or a new way to create carbon-fiber-frames.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has one advantage over the current welded frames: since the glue makes the joints actually stronger than weaker, you can achieve the same stability with less material.</p>
<p>I am very interested in how the results of this stunt will find their way into other developments, e.g. 3D-printing bikes or a new way to create carbon-fiber-frames.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Singleton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1496186</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Singleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 07:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And a built in tazer anti-theft system.</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Singleton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1496184</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Singleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 07:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So again. If this magic cardboard bike costs $9 to make. Why in the blue blazes of Xanth&#039;s Imaginary Economy is it going to cost Me Mr John Q Consumer $60+?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So again. If this magic cardboard bike costs $9 to make. Why in the blue blazes of Xanth&#8217;s Imaginary Economy is it going to cost Me Mr John Q Consumer $60+?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Smith</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1496180</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 07:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Needs fake rust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Needs fake rust.</p>
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		<title>By: MollyMaguire</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1496088</link>
		<dc:creator>MollyMaguire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 04:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s really cool, but my poo-poo comment it&#039;s that it&#039;s not like this is ready for an Instructables post. It either takes one person a long time with some special cardboard (I never see stuff like what he used at my recycling transfer station) or it takes a company that can put this into a production line. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really cool, but my poo-poo comment it&#8217;s that it&#8217;s not like this is ready for an Instructables post. It either takes one person a long time with some special cardboard (I never see stuff like what he used at my recycling transfer station) or it takes a company that can put this into a production line. </p>
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		<title>By: arbitraryaardvark</title>
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		<dc:creator>arbitraryaardvark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 04:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much does it weigh? An actual $9 bike would come in handy as a transportation option. I recently left a $10 thrift store bike unlocked for a week at the bus station, and was pleasantly surprised that it was still there. It costs more than $9 to take a bike on a greyhound, so it would be nifty if you could buy a disposable/recyclable bike for $9 at the airport/bus station/hotel, then give it away when you fly home.
If the frame is ~ $9, how much can the boingboing maker community make the rest of the parts for, so that amazon can ship the kit the same day?
- arbitrary aardvark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much does it weigh? An actual $9 bike would come in handy as a transportation option. I recently left a $10 thrift store bike unlocked for a week at the bus station, and was pleasantly surprised that it was still there. It costs more than $9 to take a bike on a greyhound, so it would be nifty if you could buy a disposable/recyclable bike for $9 at the airport/bus station/hotel, then give it away when you fly home.<br />
If the frame is ~ $9, how much can the boingboing maker community make the rest of the parts for, so that amazon can ship the kit the same day?<br />
- arbitrary aardvark</p>
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		<title>By: Funk Daddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funk Daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 03:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wal-mart bikes are made to lesser standards than &quot;similar mass-retail made-in-Asia origins&quot; bikes by design of their acquisition model. 

The same asian firm that makes $125.00 bikes for Sears or Toys-r-us will pump out lesser bikes for Wal-mart in larger numbers. It&#039;s how they roll. (Wal-mart, not the bike)

Another problem with those bikes is the aforementioned features. 18 speeds, dual disc-brakes, suspension front and back, or any of these features alone and you have a suspect product. Most of the &quot;mountain bikes&quot; of this retail level come with specific warning to NOT ride the bike except on paved level ground. Many of the aforementioned features cannot be repaired or replaced on said bikes. Even Wal-mart bikes with these features, that actually work and keep working, range between $250-$450. You can also buy real bikes at Wal-mart, but not at &quot;Wal-mart&quot; prices as people think for bicycles

It is possible to produce a lasting bike for a mass market for everyday use, these bikes just don&#039;t resemble the fake racers that are the predominant product of the market you are defending. 

The cardboard bike, no one said it would last longer than a junker from a box store, can&#039;t see where you got that, but if is a single-speed, belt drive, coaster brake bicycle I think it is it will outlast any non-single speed, super-featured fake racer that gets chumped onto so many US customers who want a single speed bicycle to ride but feel compelled to buy a &quot;hi performance&quot; piece of trash, for the very reason you gave, but for far too little investment research, at a shitty box store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wal-mart bikes are made to lesser standards than &#8220;similar mass-retail made-in-Asia origins&#8221; bikes by design of their acquisition model. </p>
<p>The same asian firm that makes $125.00 bikes for Sears or Toys-r-us will pump out lesser bikes for Wal-mart in larger numbers. It&#8217;s how they roll. (Wal-mart, not the bike)</p>
<p>Another problem with those bikes is the aforementioned features. 18 speeds, dual disc-brakes, suspension front and back, or any of these features alone and you have a suspect product. Most of the &#8220;mountain bikes&#8221; of this retail level come with specific warning to NOT ride the bike except on paved level ground. Many of the aforementioned features cannot be repaired or replaced on said bikes. Even Wal-mart bikes with these features, that actually work and keep working, range between $250-$450. You can also buy real bikes at Wal-mart, but not at &#8220;Wal-mart&#8221; prices as people think for bicycles</p>
<p>It is possible to produce a lasting bike for a mass market for everyday use, these bikes just don&#8217;t resemble the fake racers that are the predominant product of the market you are defending. </p>
<p>The cardboard bike, no one said it would last longer than a junker from a box store, can&#8217;t see where you got that, but if is a single-speed, belt drive, coaster brake bicycle I think it is it will outlast any non-single speed, super-featured fake racer that gets chumped onto so many US customers who want a single speed bicycle to ride but feel compelled to buy a &#8220;hi performance&#8221; piece of trash, for the very reason you gave, but for far too little investment research, at a shitty box store.</p>
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		<title>By: robcat2075</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1495999</link>
		<dc:creator>robcat2075</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 02:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You actually believe that? How much would you be willing to wager on the cardboard bike lasting longer than the Walmart bike?

Before you answer, I&#039;ll tell you that I had a bike of similar mass-retail made-in-Asia origins and price and it served me well for three years, including 100 mile bike rides.   Then it got stolen.  Someone is probably still riding it today.

The &quot;$9 cardboard Bicycle&quot; headline gets attention because people have fallen for marketing hype that has made them think a &quot;real&quot; bike must cost $1000, much as they think &quot;running shoes&quot; must cost $200.  They don&#039;t.

We love stories that make us thing some rad, out-of-the-box guy has found a way to bring elite modern tech to the third world masses but bike technology matured about 100 years ago.  Everything since then has been tiny nibbles around the edges of its basic operation. 

The third world has had affordable bikes for a long time because they were smart enough to go with what works, not with what is advertised.











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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You actually believe that? How much would you be willing to wager on the cardboard bike lasting longer than the Walmart bike?</p>
<p>Before you answer, I&#8217;ll tell you that I had a bike of similar mass-retail made-in-Asia origins and price and it served me well for three years, including 100 mile bike rides.   Then it got stolen.  Someone is probably still riding it today.</p>
<p>The &#8220;$9 cardboard Bicycle&#8221; headline gets attention because people have fallen for marketing hype that has made them think a &#8220;real&#8221; bike must cost $1000, much as they think &#8220;running shoes&#8221; must cost $200.  They don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>We love stories that make us thing some rad, out-of-the-box guy has found a way to bring elite modern tech to the third world masses but bike technology matured about 100 years ago.  Everything since then has been tiny nibbles around the edges of its basic operation. </p>
<p>The third world has had affordable bikes for a long time because they were smart enough to go with what works, not with what is advertised.</p>
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		<title>By: Funk Daddy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1495973</link>
		<dc:creator>Funk Daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BB has to be huge is my guess, I think under there would be a tremendous BB that also functions as front ring for a SS belt drive. 

Eliminates rings &amp; cranks, sort of.

huge cylindrical BB buildout provides bountiful support for the base of your a-frame and torques, 

allows comparatively short, stubby cranks of the favoured material, 

belt drive can run dry, eliminating risk of caustic fluids on favoured material,

a belt drive with coaster brake (or &quot;fixed&quot; ... I guess... would feel weird) would mean that the front brake is there for speed adjustment rather than stopping, so light use only front brake.

Or it&#039;s a standard drivetrain cheap stamped in China and covered up for that reason, but probably not I hope.

I wonder if he sticks to the almost race geometry for a reason mechanical, or a reason like marketability, since it looks like a fixie as he has it now. Since it is clearly not a fast bike, I feel it must be fashion, because when performance is not the goal the race geometry has some drawbacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BB has to be huge is my guess, I think under there would be a tremendous BB that also functions as front ring for a SS belt drive. </p>
<p>Eliminates rings &amp; cranks, sort of.</p>
<p>huge cylindrical BB buildout provides bountiful support for the base of your a-frame and torques, </p>
<p>allows comparatively short, stubby cranks of the favoured material, </p>
<p>belt drive can run dry, eliminating risk of caustic fluids on favoured material,</p>
<p>a belt drive with coaster brake (or &#8220;fixed&#8221; &#8230; I guess&#8230; would feel weird) would mean that the front brake is there for speed adjustment rather than stopping, so light use only front brake.</p>
<p>Or it&#8217;s a standard drivetrain cheap stamped in China and covered up for that reason, but probably not I hope.</p>
<p>I wonder if he sticks to the almost race geometry for a reason mechanical, or a reason like marketability, since it looks like a fixie as he has it now. Since it is clearly not a fast bike, I feel it must be fashion, because when performance is not the goal the race geometry has some drawbacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Culturedropout</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1495935</link>
		<dc:creator>Culturedropout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 01:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing what you can do with a bunch of cardboard.  And 40 pounds of Bondo and paint. </description>
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		<title>By: Red Pill Junkie</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1495839</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Pill Junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 00:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hooray for crazy inventors who just can&#039;t take &#039;No&#039; for an answer ^_^ </description>
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		<title>By: bcsizemo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/01/the-9-cardboard-bicycle.html#comment-1495835</link>
		<dc:creator>bcsizemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a vision as well...that scene from Water World.
Hipster pees in machine, gets steaming hot latte out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a vision as well&#8230;that scene from Water World.<br />
Hipster pees in machine, gets steaming hot latte out.</p>
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