BREAKING: Gunman shot multiple people at near Texas A&M

A gunman who opened fire from a home near Texas A&M University and shot multiple people, including police officers, has just been taken into custody. (CNN)

UPDATE: Three people, including the shooter, were killed. Three others were injured. More details at The Eagle


    1. You can’t stop crazy with gun laws. The only way to attempt to stop crazy would affect ALL of our civil liberties.

      1. You can’t stop crazy with ANY laws, but you can mitigate harm by working toward a reasonable balance between civil liberties and public safety.

      2.  But you can mitigate harm, while working on what is wrong. There’s obviously something rotten in the US at the moment if there’s homegrown gunmen who decide to shoot up schools and cinemas with high powered weapons. The only function of guns is to hurt and kill. A hand gun is fine for protection. There’s really something wrong in the country if it needs high powered guns to protect itself from itself.

  1. Is it just me, or has this summer had an insane amount of violence.  It seems to be reaching 1968 levels of unrest, though it seems like it’s often stripped of politics, while most of the 68 violence was specifically political in nature…  What the hell is happening?

      1. I was starting to think that the heat drove people to mellowness, if not outright lethargy, after visiting Oman for three weeks in May. I don’t recall the daytime high temperature dropping below 105F.  As far as cities go, Muscat was the most quiet and laid-back place I have ever encountered (and I lived in Austin for 14 years).  It seemed too damn hot to get worked up, excited, or angry.

        (Of course, Oman is not the United States, they are presumably acclimated to the extreme heat, and my idea does not account for the Dhofar Rebellion)

      1. Yeah, you’re right on that. He’s the most explicitly political of the shootings, but I feel like even that is being talked about in far more cultural terms than in more political terms.  I feel like, even though he had these very specific political orientations, it is still being stripped of political meaning in some weird way.  We can’t bring up the gun question and everyone goes nuts if you call one of these right wing shooters “terrorist”, because it has been so deeply ingrained in our culture for the past decade or so that that term is reserved for certain kinds of political violence (that itself has not political meaning, and is just in fact a bunch of people who hate America for no real reason and are just a bunch of fundie nut bags – although scholars like Mahmood Mahmdani have been arguing against that)…  Plus, despite that, we have no real idea about why he did specifically what he did – why this temple imparticular. Why these specific people. What made him snap at this particular time and date?

        I’m not sure that makes much sense or if I’m even right on this, but things feel far less political in any meaningful sense lately, and everything in this country is this existential crisis. Politics is no longer a conversation, but just that – competing existential crisises… 

        1. Oh, I see what you’re saying: yes, I agree that these shootings are being framed as apolitical, when what’s really going on is massive inequality and white supremacy and their discontents. I do feel more politicized than I ever have before, but that’s probably because I’ve walked away from electoral politics and become a balls-to-the-wall intersectional anarchafeminist, and so have my friends :)

          1.  Good for you…  I’m afraid I can’t say the same. I’m probably more politicized in thought, but less so in deed.  But I probably have far less time to do such things now a days, sorry to say.  I’m probably just making excuses though. 

  2. We have the same amount of crazy people that we’ve always had.  However, we have over 200 million guns in the USA.  We have 90 guns for every 100 citizens.  So, any whack-job in America can get a gun easily.

    1.  I think we probably have far more crazy people who are not being taken care of, less people having access to pyschiatric care and then returning vets who are not getting the care they need more often than not.  I agree gun control is part of the solution, but don’t forget that overall crime rates with guns are in general way down.  There is something else happening here. Guns might be part of the problem, but gun control is not a silver bullet, so to speak (no pun intended here).

      1. And terrorism requires an explicit goal to create terror, especially as part of a larger goal (such as political change). If his goal was just “killing people”, he’s not a terrorist. 

        1. one only has to scan the media to realize that “terrorism” has all but lost any of its original meaning by now.   it is now regularly applied to any effort that runs contrary to the speakers’ opinion.

          perhaps one could still wring some good out of the term if we described these horrifically common events as “gun-terrorism”

          1. I’m personally OK with the FBI’s definition:

            Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives”

            Does that fit this shooter? Too soon to say.

            [EDIT: It now seems safe to say “no, that description doesn’t appear to fit this shooter at all.”]

    1. What Sagodjur said.

      Also, we still don’t know exactly what the guy did or why, so it’s a bit premature to use that term unless you happen to use an unusually broad definition.

    2. Some guy goes nuts because he’s being evicted from his property and you call him a terrorist?  What was he doing, standing up for renter rights or something?

      1.  Now I recall something like this happening south of Austin about 10 or 12 years ago.  I can’t remember why they were serving or arresting him, but apparently there was a warning that the perpetrator could be dangerous (I recall the officer(s) never received the warning).

  3. A&M Former Student here.  I live out of state, but know enough to clarify that this incident appears to have taken place off campus.  About 2-3 blocks off campus, but still off.  Not that anything in the entire area isn’t related to the campus in some way.  It’s a relatively small town for such a large school.

    No speculation on what happened, as I am just as much in the dark as the rest of you.

  4. I wonder how much the 24 hour news cycle has to do with this sort of thing.
    With all of the excessive coverage of the killings/shootings, it makes it appeal more to nutjobs that don’t normally reach the tipping point and do anything worse than ranting and raving and barking at garbage cans.

    Its not just the “death toll” of the shootings.  If you look at deaths only from Aurora, there was a one car accident (pickup truck stuffed with 20+ illegals) within a few days of that incident that involved more people being killed (14 died and the rest were all seriously injured IIRC).  

    Is it news… yes. Could someone copycat it.. not likely.  So its not covered and sensationalized as much as a shooting.

    The media is falling all over them selves to come up with anything at all to talk about Aurora or the Sikh shootings.

    Atleast they are not gassing on about Al Capones Road Maps (yet).

    1. “I wonder how much the 24 hour news cycle has to do with this sort of thing.”

      If this was somebody who shot a constable who came to his door to talk to him or deliver a warrant, probably not one single bit.

      Reading TFA, I see, “…Officer Jason James, with the police department in Bryan adjacent to College Station, told CNN that “there is a possibility that it was an eviction.”

  5. Fucks sake, America!? What is going on with all this gunman-shooting-strangers? This news makes me sad and angry.

    1. It’s rather reminiscent of Josephus’s description of the descent into factionalism and random violence in The Jewish War.

  6. BB needs a “FUDitor” – the shooting was “near” TAMU, not “at” TAMU.  Big difference.   You know a lot of people are going to read the headline and just post the first “FFS America” and gun comment without RTFA.  

    Also it was the front yard of a house, so not a “gunman goes on rampage at public location” story.  More likely your “average residential shooter” story. TFA suggests the guy was getting evicted.

    1. Since when are residential shooters “average”? Since when are any shooters “average”?

  7. If we’re not going to regulate guns (and frankly, with 3D printing/machining, that is a losing battle), then we should teach every citizen how to use them properly and have free (possibly mandatory) psychiatric care nationwide.

    Also might need to add xanax to the water supply.

    1. I’m not sure what “teaching people to use guns properly” would do to prevent incidents like this one. The first person killed and two of the people wounded were not only trained in the use of firearms, they were presumably carrying them at the time.

      1. Exactly.  The fact is, even a competent gun user is a lousy protection against another gun user.  Being able to shoot straight on the range != actually being able to use it rapidly and wisely in a crisis – an extremely rare skill.

        Actual firefight experience is the only thing that helps much… and we can be eternally grateful that the average cop doesn’t have, or need, any.

        1. Also, if I’m ever in a situation where some crazy dude is trying to shoot me then I’d actually prefer that he had as little training in the use of firearms as possible.

      2. Yeah. Teaching people how to escape from an area where guns are being discharged would be a lot more useful than teaching them how and when to return fire.

        Random bystanders pulling out their guns would just about *always* make things worse. I am sceptical that any plausible amount of firearms training would alter this, and would prefer not to live near anyone who believes otherwise.

  8. But I thought that guns were for family protection, hunting down dangerous and delicious animals and to keep the king of England out of our faces? Lol

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