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	<title>Comments on: Apple&#039;s &quot;secret&quot; Genius training&#160;manual</title>
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		<title>By: kartwaffles</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/28/apples-secret-genius-tra.html#comment-1522707</link>
		<dc:creator>kartwaffles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I&#039;d rather the Apple employees could use their own judgement on how to speak. Euphemism abuse can come off as condescending or patronizing. Some customers would rather you just called a crash a crash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I&#8217;d rather the Apple employees could use their own judgement on how to speak. Euphemism abuse can come off as condescending or patronizing. Some customers would rather you just called a crash a crash.</p>
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		<title>By: ChickieD</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/28/apples-secret-genius-tra.html#comment-1522417</link>
		<dc:creator>ChickieD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 13:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people aren&#039;t comfortable with computer programs, even if they work on computers all the time. A lot of people have figured out how to do a few tasks, they do those things and avoid learning anything else because computers intimidate them. So, to sit there and point out a bug that results in the program closing and blow it out of proportion, well, that&#039;s not helping the user get over her fear. However stupidly the program is designed, it&#039;s helpful to have a positive attitude and teach people that the program is something they can work with. If I act like OMG the program is so buggy and all of us here at the company hate how it works, well, how is that helping the person who has to use it every day to get her job done, or the person who wants to do more with her computer than she does right now? Most computer programs do a lot more than people know, and getting people to be more fearless and explore the options is the best way of helping the customer. I think acting like a bug that causes the program to hang up or shut down is not a huge big deal but just a part of normal computer behavior is much more useful than scaring the user into thinking anytime they try something new the computer is going to for no reason shut down and it&#039;s all part of this mystery box they can never understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people aren&#8217;t comfortable with computer programs, even if they work on computers all the time. A lot of people have figured out how to do a few tasks, they do those things and avoid learning anything else because computers intimidate them. So, to sit there and point out a bug that results in the program closing and blow it out of proportion, well, that&#8217;s not helping the user get over her fear. However stupidly the program is designed, it&#8217;s helpful to have a positive attitude and teach people that the program is something they can work with. If I act like OMG the program is so buggy and all of us here at the company hate how it works, well, how is that helping the person who has to use it every day to get her job done, or the person who wants to do more with her computer than she does right now? Most computer programs do a lot more than people know, and getting people to be more fearless and explore the options is the best way of helping the customer. I think acting like a bug that causes the program to hang up or shut down is not a huge big deal but just a part of normal computer behavior is much more useful than scaring the user into thinking anytime they try something new the computer is going to for no reason shut down and it&#8217;s all part of this mystery box they can never understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Worldwalker</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/28/apples-secret-genius-tra.html#comment-1521712</link>
		<dc:creator>Worldwalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole &quot;feel, felt, found&quot; thing is nothing new; we were taught that in Radio Shack 20 years ago. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole &#8220;feel, felt, found&#8221; thing is nothing new; we were taught that in Radio Shack 20 years ago. </p>
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		<title>By: IndexMe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/28/apples-secret-genius-tra.html#comment-1521279</link>
		<dc:creator>IndexMe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 02:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strongly opinionated moderator is alone? 
Although I like BoingBoing an awful lot, having a Moderator weigh in repeatedly with such a strongly opinionated tone (and beige background) is a bit iffy. Hope you don&#039;t put me on a blacklist or something for my opinion.

Although I have plenty of reasons to hate as an Apple owner and developer, this is one of the weakest really.

I mean who would have believed that the company with a highly controlled walled garden, strongly unified design and best of its class user experience would have their lightly trained post-sales support engineers given the most advanced training in managing customer psychology and expectations? 
Although the manual is certainly repellent to human dignity given that it is a sales manual after all, which is what is setting you off I think, it sounds like they are solving problems efficiently for free. Though I have no experience at the Genius Bar (and I really detest the name) I have yet to see proof that they are &quot;using euphemisms to distract from problems rather than fixing them&quot;.
That said it is also plenty true that &quot;issues&quot; and &quot;stops responding&quot; are in fact the correct terms a professional developer would want to use. If the application dies and the crash feedback dialog appears then you can say fatal crash or whatever. Most of my mac issues happen when I am overloading the system (maybe with crashplan, antivirus, opening many huge images, using up RAM, etc.) that otherwise I would expect the very enjoyable and competent Mac OS X to handle perfectly, like say BeOS seemed to do with a lighter workload. 

Now some good reasons to hate might be when your Mom tries to upgrade her iMac to the latest OS and instead gets her system trashed, or when hard disk dies she loses her apps despite having Time Machine, or when you get stuck on New Years trying to copy songs onto a child&#039;s iphone, or their trashing of the Apple ///, or suing rivals to keep them out of the market, or making OS improvements focus on social networking, or making a CEO a saint, you know the usual seething anger targets. Grrr! But telling salespeople to tone down their language and smile luminescently at all times is not on the top of my grudge list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strongly opinionated moderator is alone? <br />
Although I like BoingBoing an awful lot, having a Moderator weigh in repeatedly with such a strongly opinionated tone (and beige background) is a bit iffy. Hope you don&#8217;t put me on a blacklist or something for my opinion.</p>
<p>Although I have plenty of reasons to hate as an Apple owner and developer, this is one of the weakest really.</p>
<p>I mean who would have believed that the company with a highly controlled walled garden, strongly unified design and best of its class user experience would have their lightly trained post-sales support engineers given the most advanced training in managing customer psychology and expectations? <br />
Although the manual is certainly repellent to human dignity given that it is a sales manual after all, which is what is setting you off I think, it sounds like they are solving problems efficiently for free. Though I have no experience at the Genius Bar (and I really detest the name) I have yet to see proof that they are &#8220;using euphemisms to distract from problems rather than fixing them&#8221;.<br />
That said it is also plenty true that &#8220;issues&#8221; and &#8220;stops responding&#8221; are in fact the correct terms a professional developer would want to use. If the application dies and the crash feedback dialog appears then you can say fatal crash or whatever. Most of my mac issues happen when I am overloading the system (maybe with crashplan, antivirus, opening many huge images, using up RAM, etc.) that otherwise I would expect the very enjoyable and competent Mac OS X to handle perfectly, like say BeOS seemed to do with a lighter workload. </p>
<p>Now some good reasons to hate might be when your Mom tries to upgrade her iMac to the latest OS and instead gets her system trashed, or when hard disk dies she loses her apps despite having Time Machine, or when you get stuck on New Years trying to copy songs onto a child&#8217;s iphone, or their trashing of the Apple ///, or suing rivals to keep them out of the market, or making OS improvements focus on social networking, or making a CEO a saint, you know the usual seething anger targets. Grrr! But telling salespeople to tone down their language and smile luminescently at all times is not on the top of my grudge list.</p>
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		<title>By: Damian Barajas</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/28/apples-secret-genius-tra.html#comment-1520773</link>
		<dc:creator>Damian Barajas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Well, yes. 
When you talk to people about theyre problems, its been my experience that they get annoyed when its a simple thing, many times customers walk away mad that they had to go to so much trouble to get help for such a simple issue! some customers get mad at themselves because they realize that they should have known better, other customers get mad at you because you somehow failed to make ti obvious for them. but when you tell them that its an uncommon problem you can see their eyes light up! its like they hit the jackpot, they&#039;re at least thankful that all this time wasnt wasted on getting to talk to you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Well, yes.<br />
When you talk to people about theyre problems, its been my experience that they get annoyed when its a simple thing, many times customers walk away mad that they had to go to so much trouble to get help for such a simple issue! some customers get mad at themselves because they realize that they should have known better, other customers get mad at you because you somehow failed to make ti obvious for them. but when you tell them that its an uncommon problem you can see their eyes light up! its like they hit the jackpot, they&#8217;re at least thankful that all this time wasnt wasted on getting to talk to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Stevan Brantley</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/28/apples-secret-genius-tra.html#comment-1520756</link>
		<dc:creator>Stevan Brantley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Former Mac genius here from about 4 years ago. There was nothing of this sort when I worked there, and using the word &quot;sell&quot; at all is ridiculous because the geniuses don&#039;t sell anything, they fix and help with the products.

We were sent to Cupertino for 2 weeks to practice repairs and get certified. There was also a mock Genius Bar where we practiced different situations that came up from a &quot;what to do when x happens&quot; stand point.

Actually working there had nothing to do with sales. You worked 75% of the time on the bar, and the other 25% in the back doing repairs. We had massive lee-way in making the customer happy. I frequently replaced stock, many times when it was out of warranty just to make someones day. Apple knows that happy customers lead to word of mouth and looking at their growth, the cost they lose on giving things away is more than made up by making loyal customers that spread brand awareness.

They had some silly lingo, but in general it was a store full of happy employees making customers happy. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Former Mac genius here from about 4 years ago. There was nothing of this sort when I worked there, and using the word &#8220;sell&#8221; at all is ridiculous because the geniuses don&#8217;t sell anything, they fix and help with the products.</p>
<p>We were sent to Cupertino for 2 weeks to practice repairs and get certified. There was also a mock Genius Bar where we practiced different situations that came up from a &#8220;what to do when x happens&#8221; stand point.</p>
<p>Actually working there had nothing to do with sales. You worked 75% of the time on the bar, and the other 25% in the back doing repairs. We had massive lee-way in making the customer happy. I frequently replaced stock, many times when it was out of warranty just to make someones day. Apple knows that happy customers lead to word of mouth and looking at their growth, the cost they lose on giving things away is more than made up by making loyal customers that spread brand awareness.</p>
<p>They had some silly lingo, but in general it was a store full of happy employees making customers happy. </p>
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		<title>By: Damian Barajas</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/28/apples-secret-genius-tra.html#comment-1520748</link>
		<dc:creator>Damian Barajas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> But you see, that&#039;s you, and would you really want somebody telling your grandma that something is fubar? The problem for many people is that they want personalized service from companies that have to be able to reproduce their business model in a hundred different places.

This is of course where it all comes down to the people skills of each rep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> But you see, that&#8217;s you, and would you really want somebody telling your grandma that something is fubar? The problem for many people is that they want personalized service from companies that have to be able to reproduce their business model in a hundred different places.</p>
<p>This is of course where it all comes down to the people skills of each rep.</p>
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		<title>By: Damian Barajas</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/28/apples-secret-genius-tra.html#comment-1520742</link>
		<dc:creator>Damian Barajas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, but your customers don&#039;t know that, not on the whole anyway. And before you know the root cause, its pretty bad form to label it anything. And marketing types dont want reps saying problem because they believe that customers will remember this as a bad experience if you do.  So it is a little about being accurate and another little bit about politics.

The worst part is that its true, depending on your language, even with the same outcome, customers will think of your service as good or bad.

There is an art to making customers happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, but your customers don&#8217;t know that, not on the whole anyway. And before you know the root cause, its pretty bad form to label it anything. And marketing types dont want reps saying problem because they believe that customers will remember this as a bad experience if you do.  So it is a little about being accurate and another little bit about politics.</p>
<p>The worst part is that its true, depending on your language, even with the same outcome, customers will think of your service as good or bad.</p>
<p>There is an art to making customers happy.</p>
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		<title>By: chaopoiesis</title>
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		<dc:creator>chaopoiesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sneer dans votre direction générale!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sneer dans votre direction générale!</p>
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		<title>By: Damian Barajas</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/28/apples-secret-genius-tra.html#comment-1520736</link>
		<dc:creator>Damian Barajas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing about tech support of any kind is that in order to help the customer, you DO need to get them to shut up. I know that sounds bad, but its a little like trying to rescue someone who is drowining, if they keep thrashing around, they are impeding their own rescue. Should you expect someone in such an extreme situation to behave rationally? no, but it doesnt affect the outcome either. 
Do you expect that the majority of customers can use technical language as it is intended? A bug refers to a fault in software, and if a customer can&#039;t get his emails and claims its a bug, you are not doing him a favor by acknowledgin right of the bat that there is indeed a bug, especially if you don&#039;t know whats wrong yet.
I&#039;ve heard customers claim that a device is running hot, at what temperature is something hot? usually its a the temperature tha the customer decides is too hot even though it might be normal operating temperature.
The problem really is that these people need to use incorrect terms in the first place, they use &quot;Issue&quot; because they do not know what it is and to use soemthing that they would use with other tech will usually result in omre confusion with the customer.

Now, if your worried about ethics, it really depends on the outcome, IF you tell your customer what was wrong after you fix the issue, then I see no problems at all with this. But IF you only handwave the problem away, then you might be getting into unethical behaviour. Of course, many times this means that you have to tell the customer that they broke their own machine and they just love to hear that. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing about tech support of any kind is that in order to help the customer, you DO need to get them to shut up. I know that sounds bad, but its a little like trying to rescue someone who is drowining, if they keep thrashing around, they are impeding their own rescue. Should you expect someone in such an extreme situation to behave rationally? no, but it doesnt affect the outcome either.<br />
Do you expect that the majority of customers can use technical language as it is intended? A bug refers to a fault in software, and if a customer can&#8217;t get his emails and claims its a bug, you are not doing him a favor by acknowledgin right of the bat that there is indeed a bug, especially if you don&#8217;t know whats wrong yet.<br />
I&#8217;ve heard customers claim that a device is running hot, at what temperature is something hot? usually its a the temperature tha the customer decides is too hot even though it might be normal operating temperature.<br />
The problem really is that these people need to use incorrect terms in the first place, they use &#8220;Issue&#8221; because they do not know what it is and to use soemthing that they would use with other tech will usually result in omre confusion with the customer.</p>
<p>Now, if your worried about ethics, it really depends on the outcome, IF you tell your customer what was wrong after you fix the issue, then I see no problems at all with this. But IF you only handwave the problem away, then you might be getting into unethical behaviour. Of course, many times this means that you have to tell the customer that they broke their own machine and they just love to hear that. </p>
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		<title>By: trackofalljades</title>
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		<dc:creator>trackofalljades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Customers would like to think that &quot;customer service&quot; is supposed to benefit them...but that&#039;s never been true.

Customer service exists to make people with problems a little happier and more likely to keep buying things.  Period.  No retailer would offer any service at all if they could get away with it.  Just look around, in some niches where strong monopolies exist...there&#039;s little to no service at all.

If you want service the sole aim of which is to fix your stuff and &quot;benefit&quot; you, you want to go to a service shop, not a retailer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Customers would like to think that &#8220;customer service&#8221; is supposed to benefit them&#8230;but that&#8217;s never been true.</p>
<p>Customer service exists to make people with problems a little happier and more likely to keep buying things.  Period.  No retailer would offer any service at all if they could get away with it.  Just look around, in some niches where strong monopolies exist&#8230;there&#8217;s little to no service at all.</p>
<p>If you want service the sole aim of which is to fix your stuff and &#8220;benefit&#8221; you, you want to go to a service shop, not a retailer.</p>
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		<title>By: GawainLavers</title>
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		<dc:creator>GawainLavers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This, on the other hand &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;is&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; a story (via Ars):

&lt;a href=&quot;http://arstechnica.com/staff/2012/08/op-ed-apple-store-may-be-shifting-from-customer-experience-to-profit-machine/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Op-ed: Apple Store may be shifting from customer experience to profit machine&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This, on the other hand <i><b>is</b></i> a story (via Ars):</p>
<p><a href="http://arstechnica.com/staff/2012/08/op-ed-apple-store-may-be-shifting-from-customer-experience-to-profit-machine/" rel="nofollow">Op-ed: Apple Store may be shifting from customer experience to profit machine</a></p>
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		<title>By: stuck411</title>
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		<dc:creator>stuck411</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry. Stopped reading when you said you looked at Sears once for Macs. (I kid. I kid.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry. Stopped reading when you said you looked at Sears once for Macs. (I kid. I kid.)</p>
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		<title>By: stuck411</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/28/apples-secret-genius-tra.html#comment-1520674</link>
		<dc:creator>stuck411</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking forward to reading this in a bit. From the photo and blurb it simply looks like well crafted marketing. At a restaurant I worked at once we could never call the bus boy towel a &#039;rag&#039;. Cleaning supplies where never soaps at one janitorial firm too. These scripts have always been from companies that work hard on their &#039;image&#039;. Pretty stupid when you think long &amp; hard about it.

When the Disney store first opened in the 90s with their new hires, their speech seemed scripted as well. Once comment or conversation seemed to always shift to a new Disney film just now out int theaters too. Would love to see that training manual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking forward to reading this in a bit. From the photo and blurb it simply looks like well crafted marketing. At a restaurant I worked at once we could never call the bus boy towel a &#8216;rag&#8217;. Cleaning supplies where never soaps at one janitorial firm too. These scripts have always been from companies that work hard on their &#8216;image&#8217;. Pretty stupid when you think long &amp; hard about it.</p>
<p>When the Disney store first opened in the 90s with their new hires, their speech seemed scripted as well. Once comment or conversation seemed to always shift to a new Disney film just now out int theaters too. Would love to see that training manual.</p>
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		<title>By: retepslluerb</title>
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		<dc:creator>retepslluerb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, there you are. The rest of the population - about anybody who doesn&#039;t have clear symptoms of Asperger - would take slight offense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, there you are. The rest of the population &#8211; about anybody who doesn&#8217;t have clear symptoms of Asperger &#8211; would take slight offense.</p>
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		<title>By: Their feldspars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Their feldspars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 14:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I tell him, or her, what I want. </description>
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		<title>By: ahermit</title>
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		<dc:creator>ahermit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 14:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My father used to have the owners manual from a Rolls Royce (never had the car, sadly, just the manual.) It helpfully informed the owner that their fine new Rolls Royce automobile would never break down....but may occasionally &quot;fail to proceed...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My father used to have the owners manual from a Rolls Royce (never had the car, sadly, just the manual.) It helpfully informed the owner that their fine new Rolls Royce automobile would never break down&#8230;.but may occasionally &#8220;fail to proceed&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: niktemadur</title>
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		<dc:creator>niktemadur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 09:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may be right.

Last time my Mac fell prey to kernel panics and the like, the Mac technician (not a Genius, this was an authorized dealer in Mexico) started out with the training-speak, then corrected course and ditched the soft language when I talked about &quot;black screen and three beeps, that means RAM&quot;, about testing the RAM chips and slots by switching and running &lt;i&gt;memtest&lt;/i&gt;, etc.  We had a very good talk, impatience nowhere to be seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may be right.</p>
<p>Last time my Mac fell prey to kernel panics and the like, the Mac technician (not a Genius, this was an authorized dealer in Mexico) started out with the training-speak, then corrected course and ditched the soft language when I talked about &#8220;black screen and three beeps, that means RAM&#8221;, about testing the RAM chips and slots by switching and running <i>memtest</i>, etc.  We had a very good talk, impatience nowhere to be seen.</p>
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		<title>By: TheMudshark</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/28/apples-secret-genius-tra.html#comment-1520560</link>
		<dc:creator>TheMudshark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rule #1:
Deny faultiness of a product, even though a five second Google search will reveal that forums are awash with identical cases, pretend it´s the first time you ever heard of that &quot;issue&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rule #1:<br />
Deny faultiness of a product, even though a five second Google search will reveal that forums are awash with identical cases, pretend it´s the first time you ever heard of that &#8220;issue&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: retepslluerb</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/28/apples-secret-genius-tra.html#comment-1520555</link>
		<dc:creator>retepslluerb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Out of curiosity: What&#039;s your reaction when a salesperson you approach states blandly and without any real interest “What do you want?”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of curiosity: What&#8217;s your reaction when a salesperson you approach states blandly and without any real interest “What do you want?”.</p>
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		<title>By: retepslluerb</title>
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		<dc:creator>retepslluerb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my limited experience the tech-savy impatient client is usually one of those things, not both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my limited experience the tech-savy impatient client is usually one of those things, not both.</p>
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		<title>By: Handletag</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/28/apples-secret-genius-tra.html#comment-1520546</link>
		<dc:creator>Handletag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 07:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FUBAR has been part of computing lingo for decades, along with many other GI Joe terms.  foo and bar are commonly used as off-the-cuff identifiers when discussing code.  So.... wysinwyg&#039;s example is not an odd choice at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FUBAR has been part of computing lingo for decades, along with many other GI Joe terms.  foo and bar are commonly used as off-the-cuff identifiers when discussing code.  So&#8230;. wysinwyg&#8217;s example is not an odd choice at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony I</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/28/apples-secret-genius-tra.html#comment-1520534</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 06:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering how wealthy of a company it is, I&#039;m sure they spent a lot of money on the psychology of their stores.  One thing that stood out to me was how they handle cash.  There is no formal cash register, but instead those tables that are spread throughout the store with the computers on them have hidden cash drawers at the ends. Its odd because  there are no lines to buy things, only lines to get some kind of service on something you already bought. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering how wealthy of a company it is, I&#8217;m sure they spent a lot of money on the psychology of their stores.  One thing that stood out to me was how they handle cash.  There is no formal cash register, but instead those tables that are spread throughout the store with the computers on them have hidden cash drawers at the ends. Its odd because  there are no lines to buy things, only lines to get some kind of service on something you already bought. </p>
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		<title>By: TimmoWarner</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/28/apples-secret-genius-tra.html#comment-1520504</link>
		<dc:creator>TimmoWarner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 04:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When dealing with people&#039;s pay, I try to avoid negatively charged language because it just makes them even more anxious until the problem is worked out. I don&#039;t see any issue at all with avoiding certain language as long as you&#039;re still routing out the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When dealing with people&#8217;s pay, I try to avoid negatively charged language because it just makes them even more anxious until the problem is worked out. I don&#8217;t see any issue at all with avoiding certain language as long as you&#8217;re still routing out the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: GoatLordMessiah</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/28/apples-secret-genius-tra.html#comment-1520475</link>
		<dc:creator>GoatLordMessiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 03:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Any chance you were in the Military?  FUBAR is an odd choice of terms otherwise. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Any chance you were in the Military?  FUBAR is an odd choice of terms otherwise. </p>
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		<title>By: Macgruder</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/28/apples-secret-genius-tra.html#comment-1520470</link>
		<dc:creator>Macgruder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 02:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These aren&#039;t euphemisms. They are more accurate technically and reflect what the OS tells you. The spinning ball in OS X occurs when the application is &#039;not responding&#039; and this term is used if you attempt to force quit it. Often the ball will go away and the application will &#039;start responding&#039; again. i.e. it didn&#039;t crash in the first place. 

Likewise the use of the word &#039;bug&#039;. People may install other software that can cause &#039;issues&#039; with the OS. If you start off with the assumption with the idea the OS has a bug then you&#039;ll miss this possibility. Issue is a more accurate term that includes bugs. Consider the question: &quot;Does the bug occur when you log in to another user?&quot; Doesn&#039;t make sense, because if it doesn&#039;t occur then it&#039;s not a bug in the first place. &quot;Does the issue occur?&quot; is better.

In other words, the whole point is to fix the problems. Not as you content to distract from them. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These aren&#8217;t euphemisms. They are more accurate technically and reflect what the OS tells you. The spinning ball in OS X occurs when the application is &#8216;not responding&#8217; and this term is used if you attempt to force quit it. Often the ball will go away and the application will &#8216;start responding&#8217; again. i.e. it didn&#8217;t crash in the first place. </p>
<p>Likewise the use of the word &#8216;bug&#8217;. People may install other software that can cause &#8216;issues&#8217; with the OS. If you start off with the assumption with the idea the OS has a bug then you&#8217;ll miss this possibility. Issue is a more accurate term that includes bugs. Consider the question: &#8220;Does the bug occur when you log in to another user?&#8221; Doesn&#8217;t make sense, because if it doesn&#8217;t occur then it&#8217;s not a bug in the first place. &#8220;Does the issue occur?&#8221; is better.</p>
<p>In other words, the whole point is to fix the problems. Not as you content to distract from them. </p>
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		<title>By: BombBlastLightingWaltz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/28/apples-secret-genius-tra.html#comment-1520466</link>
		<dc:creator>BombBlastLightingWaltz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 02:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This WAS Apples secret sales manual. Not any more. Smork. </description>
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		<title>By: Neil Shrodo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Shrodo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 02:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, a lot depends on if you believe that Apple is using this language to help the customer through a difficult experience or if they are using it to distract the customer and maintain their image.  This paired with the fact that Apple has had huge issues admitting that things like security flaws and even basic design flaws (think the &quot;Antenna issue&quot; on the Iphone) makes me at best suspicious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, a lot depends on if you believe that Apple is using this language to help the customer through a difficult experience or if they are using it to distract the customer and maintain their image.  This paired with the fact that Apple has had huge issues admitting that things like security flaws and even basic design flaws (think the &#8220;Antenna issue&#8221; on the Iphone) makes me at best suspicious.</p>
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		<title>By: pjcamp</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/28/apples-secret-genius-tra.html#comment-1520449</link>
		<dc:creator>pjcamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 01:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many ways can you say &quot;Sorry, can&#039;t do anything, but we&#039;ll give you 10% off on a new one&quot;? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many ways can you say &#8220;Sorry, can&#8217;t do anything, but we&#8217;ll give you 10% off on a new one&#8221;? </p>
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		<title>By: mr_josh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/08/28/apples-secret-genius-tra.html#comment-1520447</link>
		<dc:creator>mr_josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 01:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A big part of this, and something I am not really seeing here, is Apple&#039;s attempt to provide a uniform, consistent customer service experience across all of its retail stores. It is a very deliberate effort to ensure that customers will hear the same language and tone regardless of the physical location and that has for years translated in to a comfortable customer. Obviously it&#039;s not appealing to 100% of the masses, but it&#039;s been proven over and over that people by-and-large appreciate a customer experience that&#039;s consistent among locations.

I assume some people here were Apple customers before they had their own retail channel and before the did online BTO options. Anyone remember what buying a Mac was like before that? You either went to an authorized Mac retailer (which were usually pretty cool) or you went to a big box store like Sears or something like that. The display Macs were usually in a state of total disrepair / vandalization, the sales people knew nothing about them, and there were three trillion models of the same machine from which to choose.

Taking very tight control of their retail presence was a huge piece of Apple&#039;s turn-around and like it or not, the customer has responded.

I have to ask the naysayers, how did you think that Apple created such a unified experience across their stores?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A big part of this, and something I am not really seeing here, is Apple&#8217;s attempt to provide a uniform, consistent customer service experience across all of its retail stores. It is a very deliberate effort to ensure that customers will hear the same language and tone regardless of the physical location and that has for years translated in to a comfortable customer. Obviously it&#8217;s not appealing to 100% of the masses, but it&#8217;s been proven over and over that people by-and-large appreciate a customer experience that&#8217;s consistent among locations.</p>
<p>I assume some people here were Apple customers before they had their own retail channel and before the did online BTO options. Anyone remember what buying a Mac was like before that? You either went to an authorized Mac retailer (which were usually pretty cool) or you went to a big box store like Sears or something like that. The display Macs were usually in a state of total disrepair / vandalization, the sales people knew nothing about them, and there were three trillion models of the same machine from which to choose.</p>
<p>Taking very tight control of their retail presence was a huge piece of Apple&#8217;s turn-around and like it or not, the customer has responded.</p>
<p>I have to ask the naysayers, how did you think that Apple created such a unified experience across their stores?</p>
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