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Xeni Jardin at 8:33 am Tue, Aug 28, 2012
Business as usual.
When accused of a crime, we should all have the opportunity to investigate and exhonerate ourselves .
The Fark headline got it:
“Israeli court rules Israel not at fault in 2003 killing by Israeli military of non-Israeli activist Rachel Corrie”
At least they admit that she died.
Do not put yourself in a position where people you believe are capable of atrocities can easily murder you. Because obviously they might, and then even if they DON’T get away with it, you’re still dead.
That would pretty much rule out a lot of activism, and resulting advancements throughout history.
Wisdom right up there with “do not blame the victim.”
No, I’m not blaming the victim. I’m accusing the person who killed her of murder. However, the outcome of her actions was:
a) she’s dead
b) nothing was achieved
The world would be a better place if she were still alive, and she would be able to continue to protest against injustice and try to help its victims.
So I am talking tactics here really.
Saying that nothing was achieved devalues Rachel’s death. One of the results of her death is that, more and more, the whole world is seeing that Israel is an apartheid state.
I can’t devalue her death, because I refuse to *value* her death. When you start to value someone’s death, you devalue their *life*. Everything they might have done, everyone they might have loved and taught and helped. I hope you can see the danger of beginning to think like that. People stop being people and become an expendable resource, to be weighed against a tactical advantage and spent as required.
I know it’s deeply ingrained in a lot of cultures, so much so that it is never questioned, but the idea of someone’s death being a precious sacrifice to be honoured is simply mistaken. It’s always a failure, because what you could have done for the rest of your life can always be made to weigh more towards what you were trying to accomplish.
You give no evidence for the assertion that Rachel’s death has had the result of “the whole world is seeing that Israel is an apartheid state”.
Apart from anything else, one death fades into the background noise against all the other injustices and violence perpetrated by the Israeli state and various other factions in the area. Anyone who doesn’t already see the wrongful actions of Israel doesn’t want to and won’t. Do we need a few thousand deaths? Would a million help? That way lies madness.
Question: If it were a US court and the US military, would the ruling be considered more credible?
Sure. If some US Soldiers go on a mad killing rampage in Iraq (Haditha) or do something else horrible (Cavalese) they get a slap on the wrist from an US court and most commenters on BB go all “those poor boys are victims too” or “support our troops ’cause they do it for freedomz”
The sorts of people who are against Israel’s behaviors are the same sort of people who are against the US’ ill-action, I don’t know why you’re pretending to be some sort of lone wolf in a sea of Team America World Police puppets. The demographic on BB isn’t mostly full of idiots, your smugness is unwarranted.
That’s all he ever posts. And why half his comments go in the bin.
The interest on Israel’s crime against Corrie is compounded every year. When the time comes, paying for it will carry a very steep price.
Speaking as an Israeli, I’m disgusted and horrified at Israel’s behavior. While the gracious Corrie family would never say this – I hope we can observe karma in action on this, in our day, amen.
If there was such thing as “karma” , these things would not occur.
Glenn Greenwald reflects on what he views as the increasing loss of a truly independent judificiary drawing on Corrie’s case: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/28/us-israel-justice-whitewash-state-crimes
Israel’s “judiciary” should be ashamed. This whole case is a utter joke and just highlights why Israel is increasingly a pariah state in the eyes of the world.
They’ve been taught by the best: the US.
The synopsis on the BBC says that this woman was crushed by a bulldozer that drove at her across clear terrain for 20 meters, whilst she was wearing an orange high visibility jacket and shouting through a megaphone. It seems impossible that the driver was unaware of her presence. How can anyone trust an Israeli court to deliver justice if they’ll rubber stamp things that are as extreme as this? Iran and Hezbollah aren’t entirely faultless, but you can see their point.
How in any universe is Iran at fault on any level for Israel running over my friend wearing a fluorescent vest and carrying a megaphone then backing up and running over her again while she was engaged in the “terrorist activity” of preventing a doctor’s home from being demolished? I don’t follow. Iran is so EEEEVIILLLL that the soldier driving the armored, militarized bulldozer couldn’t possibly realize he was engaged in murder? Mind control rays over the machine-gun-nested apartheid wall? Did they infiltrate the US CAT factory where the home-destroyer was manufactured and make the throttle sticky? Really, how?
I believe danegeld meant that their characters as organizations (the government of Iran and Hezbollah) aren’t faultless, and did not mean that they had any fault in the Corrie case.
With all due respect, talking of Iran or Hezbollah was irrelevant to the case, brought confusion and, frankly, was a bit strange.
Certainly. That was no defense of anyone, but it’s difficult to have any sort of conversation with miscommunication, which I sought to clarify.
Because there have to be sides to every issue. Even, apparently, cold-blooded murder.
Lunchtime BBC Radio 4 News was… Interesting. A person was talking in favor of this execution and talking about why that area was cleared and why she should not have been there – allegedly it was a clearing operation to clear a space which was used by snipers shooting at “their” people. I was truly disgusted with BBC not putting this person in their place with such facts. I guess you can’t win every battle against dishonesty.
I can’t see their point. They aren’t saving any lives.
Enlighten me: WTF was a 23-year-old American pro-Palestinian doing in Gaza in the first place?
I’ll give you, oh…eight guesses. This should be fun!
Trying to prevent a doctor’s home from being demolished.
Acting like a human. Enlighten me as to why the IDF was destroying people’s homes, and executing young women in the street.
Glad to see most here realize this for what it is, complete and utter B*llshit.