Comments on: Caloric restriction for long life? The results are mixed. http://boingboing.net/2012/08/29/caloric-restriction-for-long-l.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Sun, 26 May 2013 04:18:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Anon_Mahna http://boingboing.net/2012/08/29/caloric-restriction-for-long-l.html#comment-1521672 Anon_Mahna Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:11:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=178662#comment-1521672 “Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!”  --Hunter S Thompson “Life should not be a journey to the grave with
the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up,
totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!”  –Hunter S Thompson

]]> By: JorgeBurgos http://boingboing.net/2012/08/29/caloric-restriction-for-long-l.html#comment-1521402 JorgeBurgos Thu, 30 Aug 2012 08:59:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=178662#comment-1521402 That statement is based on the same flawed logic that dieters often base their decisions on, that is, if something is good then the more you do it the better. Because something is enjoyable, doesn't necessarily mean that you will have an overall more satisfying and entertaining life by doing that thing more and more. In fact quite the opposite. The less you eat, the better food can taste and the more enjoyment and satisfaction you can receive from eating. As an experiment, try not eating for 24 hours. Then afterwards, break your fast by going out to your favourite cafe. Observe how insanely good that breakfast tastes! Often deprivation can create much more fulfilling and rewarding experiences. That statement is based on the same flawed logic that dieters often base their decisions on, that is, if something is good then the more you do it the better.

Because something is enjoyable, doesn’t necessarily mean that you will have an overall more satisfying and entertaining life by doing that thing more and more. In fact quite the opposite. The less you eat, the better food can taste and the more enjoyment and satisfaction you can receive from eating.

As an experiment, try not eating for 24 hours. Then afterwards, break your fast by going out to your favourite cafe. Observe how insanely good that breakfast tastes!

Often deprivation can create much more fulfilling and rewarding experiences.

]]> By: Pjay (Patti) Pender http://boingboing.net/2012/08/29/caloric-restriction-for-long-l.html#comment-1521349 Pjay (Patti) Pender Thu, 30 Aug 2012 05:21:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=178662#comment-1521349 Personally, I feel that it's as much about how much you enjoy life as about how long you live. When I was in college, a friend had a poster that read, "If you give up wine, women and song, you may not live longer, but it will certainly SEEM longer!" Eating is a great pleasure to me, and I don't want to live longer if I can't enjoy it. Personally, I feel that it’s as much about how much you enjoy life as about how long you live. When I was in college, a friend had a poster that read, “If you give up wine, women and song, you may not live longer, but it will certainly SEEM longer!” Eating is a great pleasure to me, and I don’t want to live longer if I can’t enjoy it.

]]> By: eccentricintelligenceagency http://boingboing.net/2012/08/29/caloric-restriction-for-long-l.html#comment-1521241 eccentricintelligenceagency Thu, 30 Aug 2012 00:38:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=178662#comment-1521241  There are indeed many ancient midgets hiding amongst us. I haven't seen them, but I know they are there. Also reminds me of the yogic master in David Foster Wallace's novel, who lived in the gym, subsisting on the sweat he could lick from the skin of willing patrons.  There are indeed many ancient midgets hiding amongst us. I haven’t seen them, but I know they are there.

Also reminds me of the yogic master in David Foster Wallace’s novel, who lived in the gym, subsisting on the sweat he could lick from the skin of willing patrons.

]]> By: Ronald Pottol http://boingboing.net/2012/08/29/caloric-restriction-for-long-l.html#comment-1521217 Ronald Pottol Wed, 29 Aug 2012 23:42:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=178662#comment-1521217 At least in terms of blood work, fasting two days a week (non consecutive, and free eating the other five)  is much the same as harsh caloric restriction full time, and much easier to live with. At least in terms of blood work, fasting two days a week (non consecutive, and free eating the other five)  is much the same as harsh caloric restriction full time, and much easier to live with.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/08/29/caloric-restriction-for-long-l.html#comment-1521188 Antinous / Moderator Wed, 29 Aug 2012 23:05:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=178662#comment-1521188 Malnutrition is only partially related to caloric intake. You can be obese and malnourished. CRON emphasizes both Caloric Restriction and Optimal Nutrition. Malnutrition is only partially related to caloric intake. You can be obese and malnourished. CRON emphasizes both Caloric Restriction and Optimal Nutrition.

]]> By: Snig http://boingboing.net/2012/08/29/caloric-restriction-for-long-l.html#comment-1521115 Snig Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:41:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=178662#comment-1521115 The caloric restriction that's comparable for humans is damn close to malnutrition.  The caloric restriction that’s comparable for humans is damn close to malnutrition. 

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/08/29/caloric-restriction-for-long-l.html#comment-1521110 Antinous / Moderator Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:39:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=178662#comment-1521110 I remember reading decades ago that actuarial data said that the less you weighed, the longer you lived, unless you were clinically malnourished. I remember reading decades ago that actuarial data said that the less you weighed, the longer you lived, unless you were clinically malnourished.

]]> By: Purplecat http://boingboing.net/2012/08/29/caloric-restriction-for-long-l.html#comment-1520990 Purplecat Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:05:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=178662#comment-1520990 So... There <b>is</b> a wrong way to feed a  rhesus. So… There is a wrong way to feed a  rhesus.

]]> By: fattymembrane http://boingboing.net/2012/08/29/caloric-restriction-for-long-l.html#comment-1520943 fattymembrane Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:30:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=178662#comment-1520943 It has also been suggested that it's not actually the restriction of calories that causes the increase in lifespan, but the improvement in DHEA retention from cutting certain foods out of the diet (or reducing them in calorie restricted diets), which may explain why only testing against calories leads to mixed results. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMRRZiAwFXY It has also been suggested that it’s not actually the restriction of calories that causes the increase in lifespan, but the improvement in DHEA retention from cutting certain foods out of the diet (or reducing them in calorie restricted diets), which may explain why only testing against calories leads to mixed results. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMRRZiAwFXY

]]> By: Lisa Shock http://boingboing.net/2012/08/29/caloric-restriction-for-long-l.html#comment-1520882 Lisa Shock Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:00:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=178662#comment-1520882 Methionine restriction appears to be more promising, and may help reduce factors involved with Alzheimer's.  Methionine restriction appears to be more promising, and may help reduce factors involved with Alzheimer’s. 

]]> By: pescho http://boingboing.net/2012/08/29/caloric-restriction-for-long-l.html#comment-1520875 pescho Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:58:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=178662#comment-1520875 Maggie, Don't have time to look up the paper but, if memory serves, someone recently compared adult-onset caloric restriction vs juvenile-onset caloric restriction in mice and found that survivorship improved only in the juvie mice!  So, it may be too late for most of us, anyway. Maggie,

Don’t have time to look up the paper but, if memory serves, someone recently compared adult-onset caloric restriction vs juvenile-onset caloric restriction in mice and found that survivorship improved only in the juvie mice!  So, it may be too late for most of us, anyway.

]]> By: Snig http://boingboing.net/2012/08/29/caloric-restriction-for-long-l.html#comment-1520839 Snig Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:30:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=178662#comment-1520839 I've always had questions about it's validity, especially as it extrapolates to humans.  We've plenty of examples of cultures, individuals, societies, famine where folks are always hungry, and it hasn't been noted that being hungry is associated with longevity.  Cyclical dieting (which is what fad dieting often leads to)  has been generally associated with poorer health.  To suggest severe calorie restriction is a rational long term approach for living longer in humans seems sketchy to me.  I know, no one here or in the article is saying that, but I've heard it previously. I’ve always had questions about it’s validity, especially as it extrapolates to humans.  We’ve plenty of examples of cultures, individuals, societies, famine where folks are always hungry, and it hasn’t been noted that being hungry is associated with longevity.  Cyclical dieting (which is what fad dieting often leads to)  has been generally associated with poorer health.  To suggest severe calorie restriction is a rational long term approach for living longer in humans seems sketchy to me.  I know, no one here or in the article is saying that, but I’ve heard it previously.

]]> By: Brainspore http://boingboing.net/2012/08/29/caloric-restriction-for-long-l.html#comment-1520816 Brainspore Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:17:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=178662#comment-1520816 Oh well, that's not really what I'd consider "living" anyway. Oh well, that’s not really what I’d consider “living” anyway.

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