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		<title>By: Cynical</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/04/better-services-less-piracy.html#comment-1525740</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 03:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> @facebook-781965222:disqus  Replying to myself because Discus sucks;

That you bring up classical music is an interesting case in point; dedicating oneself to music to the extent that is necessary to produce a symphony is definitely a full time career, and it&#039;s only right that artists who do that should get remuneration. 

Which record label was Mozart signed to? Saying &quot;I don&#039;t believe that the monopoly on production that record labels have enjoyed for the last fifty years or so is healthy for music as an art form or for artists themselves&quot; is not the same as saying &quot;I don&#039;t believe people should get paid for their work.&quot; 

I worked for a record label around the time of the fall of Napster, and we wouldn&#039;t sign anything that was a commercial risk. The 80p that we gave to the artists from the £15 we charged for CDs was too much of a risk (when you factor in the other costs of music production through a record label) to back anything that didn&#039;t represent a guaranteed Return on Capital Employed. In real terms, this meant we signed radio-friendly, commercial shit, and refused to back anyone that was in any way cutting edge or avant garde. 

No record label in their right mind would sign Mozart, and if they did, they would pay him a pittance because everyone else has to take a slice. Mozart succeeded because he had rich patrons that liked his music enough to pay him to exist, not because he got paid £0.01 every time his work of art got used in a commercial. The way that the system stands right now, there will be no more Mozarts, and a thousand more Rebecca Blacks, because one is &quot;challenging&quot; or &quot;difficult&quot; (both words we used in a negative sense) and the other had three million views on youtube before record companies even thought about her as Viable Product. 

So why is it, exactly, that record labels have the right to exist when the means of distribution that they have held a monopoly over for the last 50 years is now utterly redundant? The one thing they did well is now meaningless and yet they continue to lobby for right to exist, to the point of criminalising people for using technology to enjoy art. 

There are countless other, far more efficient ways for artists to get paid, and yet people are so brainwashed by the record companies&#039; 50-year monopoly that they discount the other half a million years of human existence.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> @facebook-781965222:disqus  Replying to myself because Discus sucks;</p>
<p>That you bring up classical music is an interesting case in point; dedicating oneself to music to the extent that is necessary to produce a symphony is definitely a full time career, and it&#8217;s only right that artists who do that should get remuneration. </p>
<p>Which record label was Mozart signed to? Saying &#8220;I don&#8217;t believe that the monopoly on production that record labels have enjoyed for the last fifty years or so is healthy for music as an art form or for artists themselves&#8221; is not the same as saying &#8220;I don&#8217;t believe people should get paid for their work.&#8221; </p>
<p>I worked for a record label around the time of the fall of Napster, and we wouldn&#8217;t sign anything that was a commercial risk. The 80p that we gave to the artists from the £15 we charged for CDs was too much of a risk (when you factor in the other costs of music production through a record label) to back anything that didn&#8217;t represent a guaranteed Return on Capital Employed. In real terms, this meant we signed radio-friendly, commercial shit, and refused to back anyone that was in any way cutting edge or avant garde. </p>
<p>No record label in their right mind would sign Mozart, and if they did, they would pay him a pittance because everyone else has to take a slice. Mozart succeeded because he had rich patrons that liked his music enough to pay him to exist, not because he got paid £0.01 every time his work of art got used in a commercial. The way that the system stands right now, there will be no more Mozarts, and a thousand more Rebecca Blacks, because one is &#8220;challenging&#8221; or &#8220;difficult&#8221; (both words we used in a negative sense) and the other had three million views on youtube before record companies even thought about her as Viable Product. </p>
<p>So why is it, exactly, that record labels have the right to exist when the means of distribution that they have held a monopoly over for the last 50 years is now utterly redundant? The one thing they did well is now meaningless and yet they continue to lobby for right to exist, to the point of criminalising people for using technology to enjoy art. </p>
<p>There are countless other, far more efficient ways for artists to get paid, and yet people are so brainwashed by the record companies&#8217; 50-year monopoly that they discount the other half a million years of human existence.</p>
<p>/rant</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/04/better-services-less-piracy.html#comment-1525375</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neither does the system that you&#039;re defending.  So what&#039;s your point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither does the system that you&#8217;re defending.  So what&#8217;s your point?</p>
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		<title>By: MrScience</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/04/better-services-less-piracy.html#comment-1525371</link>
		<dc:creator>MrScience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might I recommend reading up on how the process works? http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110707/03264014993/riaa-accounting-how-to-sell-1-million-albums-still-owe-500000.shtml

And yes, track down how to end the artist money directly, I&#039;m sure it&#039;d be more appreciated than namelessly purchasing a CD and them getting $.10 (if that)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might I recommend reading up on how the process works? <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110707/03264014993/riaa-accounting-how-to-sell-1-million-albums-still-owe-500000.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110707/03264014993/riaa-accounting-how-to-sell-1-million-albums-still-owe-500000.shtml</a></p>
<p>And yes, track down how to end the artist money directly, I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;d be more appreciated than namelessly purchasing a CD and them getting $.10 (if that)</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Breadner</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/04/better-services-less-piracy.html#comment-1525140</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Breadner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 11:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. So all those CDs I used to see in stores existed solely to get me to go to a concert, where the music doesn&#039;t sound half as polished and you can&#039;t even hear it anyway for all the screaming? Seems somewhat counterproductive. How many people buy CDs/mp3s vs. how many people subject themselves to concerts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. So all those CDs I used to see in stores existed solely to get me to go to a concert, where the music doesn&#8217;t sound half as polished and you can&#8217;t even hear it anyway for all the screaming? Seems somewhat counterproductive. How many people buy CDs/mp3s vs. how many people subject themselves to concerts?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Breadner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Breadner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 11:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough. But people, even artists, gotta eat. And many people can&#039;t just compose a symphony on the bus on the way home from their &#039;real&#039; job. How do we reward artists for their work, if not with money? Reddit karma? Critical acclaim? That&#039;s all well and good, but it doesn&#039;t pay the bills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough. But people, even artists, gotta eat. And many people can&#8217;t just compose a symphony on the bus on the way home from their &#8216;real&#8217; job. How do we reward artists for their work, if not with money? Reddit karma? Critical acclaim? That&#8217;s all well and good, but it doesn&#8217;t pay the bills.</p>
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		<title>By: GyroMagician</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/04/better-services-less-piracy.html#comment-1525109</link>
		<dc:creator>GyroMagician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 08:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Thanks for the pointers Nimdae, Tynam &amp; Gilbert W. 

After trying to buy non-Kindle ebooks from Amazon I must admit I didn&#039;t even look at them - sounds like I need to re-evaluate that. Yes, they are available here. Google Music is apparently US only.

7digital are also available here. They have separate UK, DE and CH stores, but this is forced by the labels, so they say (so obsessed with borders). It&#039;s real downloading (not streaming) thugh, so I can live with it. Amazons&#039;s monopoly on everything - agreed!

Bandcamp look like something different and fun. I may struggle to find anyone I&#039;ve heard of - but that&#039;s part of the point, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Thanks for the pointers Nimdae, Tynam &amp; Gilbert W. </p>
<p>After trying to buy non-Kindle ebooks from Amazon I must admit I didn&#8217;t even look at them &#8211; sounds like I need to re-evaluate that. Yes, they are available here. Google Music is apparently US only.</p>
<p>7digital are also available here. They have separate UK, DE and CH stores, but this is forced by the labels, so they say (so obsessed with borders). It&#8217;s real downloading (not streaming) thugh, so I can live with it. Amazons&#8217;s monopoly on everything &#8211; agreed!</p>
<p>Bandcamp look like something different and fun. I may struggle to find anyone I&#8217;ve heard of &#8211; but that&#8217;s part of the point, right?</p>
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		<title>By: insert</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 04:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The windows Spotify client also works okay on Wine on Ubuntu 12.04. Not great (it stops working sometimes), but okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The windows Spotify client also works okay on Wine on Ubuntu 12.04. Not great (it stops working sometimes), but okay.</p>
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		<title>By: Barrett Blackwood</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/04/better-services-less-piracy.html#comment-1525041</link>
		<dc:creator>Barrett Blackwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 03:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The music industry has become decentralized and diverse. Artists can bring their own ideas to light without signing away all their copyrights and artistic control.

Imagine the cultural ramifications if the same thing happens to the film industry, especially in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The music industry has become decentralized and diverse. Artists can bring their own ideas to light without signing away all their copyrights and artistic control.</p>
<p>Imagine the cultural ramifications if the same thing happens to the film industry, especially in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: oasisob1</title>
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		<dc:creator>oasisob1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep. I have many such.</description>
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		<title>By: Cynical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely, assuming that the only reason that artists have for producing art is financial gain is even more insulting. 

I have some very musically-talented friends; should I force money into their hands each time one of them picks up a guitar and plays a tune when we&#039;re relaxing with a couple of beers? 

It&#039;s art production in its truest, most traditional form, which is to say entirely removed from the monetising and corrupting influences of being made into a revenue stream for a multi-national corporation.

If you take away the money, people won&#039;t stop producing art. Who paid cave painters? Art production is an inherent form of human expression, and being unwilling or unable to pay the likes of EMI or Time Warner will mean fewer lawyers, PR hacks and corporate CEOs get rich off the efforts of other people, but it won&#039;t somehow stop people with a passion for music from wanting to express themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely, assuming that the only reason that artists have for producing art is financial gain is even more insulting. </p>
<p>I have some very musically-talented friends; should I force money into their hands each time one of them picks up a guitar and plays a tune when we&#8217;re relaxing with a couple of beers? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s art production in its truest, most traditional form, which is to say entirely removed from the monetising and corrupting influences of being made into a revenue stream for a multi-national corporation.</p>
<p>If you take away the money, people won&#8217;t stop producing art. Who paid cave painters? Art production is an inherent form of human expression, and being unwilling or unable to pay the likes of EMI or Time Warner will mean fewer lawyers, PR hacks and corporate CEOs get rich off the efforts of other people, but it won&#8217;t somehow stop people with a passion for music from wanting to express themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Ladyfingers</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/04/better-services-less-piracy.html#comment-1524974</link>
		<dc:creator>Ladyfingers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I buy all Blu-ray and CD, but keeping up with the one or two current TV shows I enjoy requires a bit of torrenting. 

Also, smut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I buy all Blu-ray and CD, but keeping up with the one or two current TV shows I enjoy requires a bit of torrenting. </p>
<p>Also, smut.</p>
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		<title>By: bcsizemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bcsizemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can add Netflix discs to that frisbee list as well.

How a new release looks like it go shot across 80 girt sand paper when it&#039;s only been in like 1 or 2 other hands is beyond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can add Netflix discs to that frisbee list as well.</p>
<p>How a new release looks like it go shot across 80 girt sand paper when it&#8217;s only been in like 1 or 2 other hands is beyond me.</p>
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		<title>By: bcsizemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bcsizemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But at the same time it could be pointed out that any business model of the early 1900&#039;s wouldn&#039;t exist on the same scale as it does today.  A professional pianist playing a concert hall could still draw a crowd today or 100 years ago, they more or less are performing.  A local indie band could still play local gigs (just like 100 years ago), but now they also have the possibility to reach a larger audience thanks to a recorded medium.

In that respect for an artist to go out and perform not a whole lot has changed in 100 years.  They just need to get enough people to pay to listen/watch that they can make a living off of it.  What has changed is the number of people making music, the skill level (or varying skill) needed to create music, and the type and quality of music pushed upon the masses.  

I also think your cost representation of CD&#039;s is a little off.  Sure a cd doesn&#039;t cost much to make, and the music isn&#039;t that much more, but everything that goes into making the music that is going on that cd costs something as well.  A top notch recording studio isn&#039;t cheap, and isn&#039;t being utilized 24/7 pumping out cds.  If a group spends 3 months recording a new cd at a few hours a day or week that cost has to be incorporated into the cd.  I suppose if you don&#039;t care about a studio quality recording then picking up a cheap &quot;bootleg&quot; or self produced cd at a local gig is another cheaper option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But at the same time it could be pointed out that any business model of the early 1900&#8242;s wouldn&#8217;t exist on the same scale as it does today.  A professional pianist playing a concert hall could still draw a crowd today or 100 years ago, they more or less are performing.  A local indie band could still play local gigs (just like 100 years ago), but now they also have the possibility to reach a larger audience thanks to a recorded medium.</p>
<p>In that respect for an artist to go out and perform not a whole lot has changed in 100 years.  They just need to get enough people to pay to listen/watch that they can make a living off of it.  What has changed is the number of people making music, the skill level (or varying skill) needed to create music, and the type and quality of music pushed upon the masses.  </p>
<p>I also think your cost representation of CD&#8217;s is a little off.  Sure a cd doesn&#8217;t cost much to make, and the music isn&#8217;t that much more, but everything that goes into making the music that is going on that cd costs something as well.  A top notch recording studio isn&#8217;t cheap, and isn&#8217;t being utilized 24/7 pumping out cds.  If a group spends 3 months recording a new cd at a few hours a day or week that cost has to be incorporated into the cd.  I suppose if you don&#8217;t care about a studio quality recording then picking up a cheap &#8220;bootleg&#8221; or self produced cd at a local gig is another cheaper option.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Billings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Billings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Musicians make their money by playing live shows and selling swag (or music directly at the gig), not from record companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Musicians make their money by playing live shows and selling swag (or music directly at the gig), not from record companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Breadner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Breadner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 23:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay--so where do musicians get their money, then, if it isn&#039;t from the sale of their songs? I&#039;d just as soon not enrich the middleman myself, but I don&#039;t see many people with tipjars attached to their websites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay&#8211;so where do musicians get their money, then, if it isn&#8217;t from the sale of their songs? I&#8217;d just as soon not enrich the middleman myself, but I don&#8217;t see many people with tipjars attached to their websites.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Boudreaux</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/04/better-services-less-piracy.html#comment-1524819</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Boudreaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 23:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds more like getting consumers to pay for the product was the problem, not piracy. Of course, making it easy for consumers to pay you money by providing competitive services certainly sounds like a sensible business plan. Much of this goodness is made by running around and stomping on file sharing services, as unlimited access to information is almost always superior to limited access (what has been seen cannot be unseen). Slowly improve one&#039;s own business while crushing better services with legal devices and market power... Unrestricted downloading, development, and distribution -unfortunately, this product is not for sale and those that wish it was a product tend to want to put behind a government monopoly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds more like getting consumers to pay for the product was the problem, not piracy. Of course, making it easy for consumers to pay you money by providing competitive services certainly sounds like a sensible business plan. Much of this goodness is made by running around and stomping on file sharing services, as unlimited access to information is almost always superior to limited access (what has been seen cannot be unseen). Slowly improve one&#8217;s own business while crushing better services with legal devices and market power&#8230; Unrestricted downloading, development, and distribution -unfortunately, this product is not for sale and those that wish it was a product tend to want to put behind a government monopoly.</p>
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		<title>By: creesto</title>
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		<dc:creator>creesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 22:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I am flush and the bills are paid and we have food, I spend money on schtuff. When I am broke, I pirate. I only download exactly what I want and with few exceptions, once I tire of it, I trash it. I have never understood the Collector Mentality when it comes to visiting TPB. Who wants to store and perhaps track all that crap that you didn&#039;t even really want in the first place? Music I typically keep, but usually only download when it has been out for a good long while. Recently, a Jackson 5 Best Of. Movies I only bother with when they are already out on Blu-Ray and DVD, which is also when my local library stocks them. The problem with that, however, is that most parents seem to let their kids play frisbee with library discs...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I am flush and the bills are paid and we have food, I spend money on schtuff. When I am broke, I pirate. I only download exactly what I want and with few exceptions, once I tire of it, I trash it. I have never understood the Collector Mentality when it comes to visiting TPB. Who wants to store and perhaps track all that crap that you didn&#8217;t even really want in the first place? Music I typically keep, but usually only download when it has been out for a good long while. Recently, a Jackson 5 Best Of. Movies I only bother with when they are already out on Blu-Ray and DVD, which is also when my local library stocks them. The problem with that, however, is that most parents seem to let their kids play frisbee with library discs&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Breadner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Breadner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 22:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, you don&#039;t MAKE the weather and so your argument falls flat. I get that you have a vendetta against record companies, and I understand why. But until there is a system in place by which you can directly compensate musicians, writers, and artists for their skullsweat, assigning it a value of zero dollars is an insult to their art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, you don&#8217;t MAKE the weather and so your argument falls flat. I get that you have a vendetta against record companies, and I understand why. But until there is a system in place by which you can directly compensate musicians, writers, and artists for their skullsweat, assigning it a value of zero dollars is an insult to their art.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/04/better-services-less-piracy.html#comment-1524777</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 22:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So you have a vendetta against the record companies...But musicians gotta eat...&lt;/blockquote&gt;Very little record company income goes to musicians.  The amount of it that goes to musicians that aren&#039;t already wealthy borders on non-existent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So you have a vendetta against the record companies&#8230;But musicians gotta eat&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Very little record company income goes to musicians.  The amount of it that goes to musicians that aren&#8217;t already wealthy borders on non-existent.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Breadner</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/04/better-services-less-piracy.html#comment-1524762</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Breadner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 22:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you have a vendetta against the record companies. That&#039;s all fine and good. But musicians gotta eat, and when everyone assigns a value of zero dollars to their skullsweat, sooner or later there won&#039;t be any music worth listening to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you have a vendetta against the record companies. That&#8217;s all fine and good. But musicians gotta eat, and when everyone assigns a value of zero dollars to their skullsweat, sooner or later there won&#8217;t be any music worth listening to.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Breadner</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/04/better-services-less-piracy.html#comment-1524756</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Breadner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 22:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, no, I don&#039;t, other than my local 24-hour news station. If there was a single radio station with a playlist of more than a couple of hundred songs, I might take an interest. Also, I fail to see the point you&#039;re trying to make. A song on the radio is ephemeral, there and then gone. A song I have bought is mine to play when I want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, no, I don&#8217;t, other than my local 24-hour news station. If there was a single radio station with a playlist of more than a couple of hundred songs, I might take an interest. Also, I fail to see the point you&#8217;re trying to make. A song on the radio is ephemeral, there and then gone. A song I have bought is mine to play when I want.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobsyeruncle</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/04/better-services-less-piracy.html#comment-1524673</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobsyeruncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 20:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Yep, I just hate &quot;fuck book&quot; (lol) on principle.  Yes, I have a couple of fake^H^H^H^H, uh,  anonymous accounts. I really hate how Kobo wants me to share my reading history with the world. I&#039;m happy to use my Disqus account for multiple sites and until the lazier sites wise up, I&#039;m going to avoid &#039;em.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Yep, I just hate &#8220;fuck book&#8221; (lol) on principle.  Yes, I have a couple of fake^H^H^H^H, uh,  anonymous accounts. I really hate how Kobo wants me to share my reading history with the world. I&#8217;m happy to use my Disqus account for multiple sites and until the lazier sites wise up, I&#8217;m going to avoid &#8216;em.</p>
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		<title>By: hughstimson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/04/better-services-less-piracy.html#comment-1524656</link>
		<dc:creator>hughstimson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 20:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having not spent a dime on the massive amount of music I listened to throughout my 20s, it blows my mind how easy it was for Rdio to get me paying for music again:

- Offer a paid music service. 
- Make it better than the free alternatives.

For 10 years the music industry has been pretending this is not the answer to piracy. Hey presto, it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having not spent a dime on the massive amount of music I listened to throughout my 20s, it blows my mind how easy it was for Rdio to get me paying for music again:</p>
<p>- Offer a paid music service. <br />
- Make it better than the free alternatives.</p>
<p>For 10 years the music industry has been pretending this is not the answer to piracy. Hey presto, it is.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/04/better-services-less-piracy.html#comment-1524654</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 20:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Paying money for music is a fluke of the 1920s, an ASCAP conspiracy, a relic of the days of plastic media. If you want some money from me, put on a show.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Quoted part is entirely accurate.  What makes music so valuable in the first place?

Primarily scarcity.  The record industry put millions of hard-working musicians out of work early in the 20th century when they realized there could be more money in recorded music than sheet music.  (Strangely enough, I&#039;ve never heard this mentioned when people complain about how piracy destroys jobs.  Record industry destroyed far more livelihoods -- of &lt;em&gt;real artists&lt;/em&gt; doing what they loved for a living -- than piracy ever could.)  Everyone wants to be heard so it&#039;s easy to get people to record cheap (before they&#039;re famous anyway).  The price of each record represented mostly the cost of recording, reproducing, and distributing the actual records.

But those costs have dropped to near zero due to technological innovation.  What possible economic or legal theory dictates that record companies should get special legal assistance in maintaining their prices when their costs have dropped so precipitously?  Why did CDs cost $14 when the costs for recording, reproducing, and distributing them came nowhere close to that?  Why didn&#039;t competition on the free market drop prices to where they were should have been (just a teensy bit over cost to produce)?

Mostly because suckers like you kept paying those costs.  This puts the price point for music out of the reach of a lot of lower income individuals.  We&#039;ve set up a society where people are only allowed to share in and contribute to the culture if they have disposable income.  Let&#039;s just hope the next Mozart isn&#039;t born poor.

Note that before the record industry&#039;s ascendance, a lower-class Mozart could have learned from locals making a living from live music.  The record industry put those people out of jobs, remember.  Let&#039;s please stop pretending that the recording industry is good for music in particular and society in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Paying money for music is a fluke of the 1920s, an ASCAP conspiracy, a relic of the days of plastic media. If you want some money from me, put on a show.</p></blockquote>
<p>Quoted part is entirely accurate.  What makes music so valuable in the first place?</p>
<p>Primarily scarcity.  The record industry put millions of hard-working musicians out of work early in the 20th century when they realized there could be more money in recorded music than sheet music.  (Strangely enough, I&#8217;ve never heard this mentioned when people complain about how piracy destroys jobs.  Record industry destroyed far more livelihoods &#8212; of <em>real artists</em> doing what they loved for a living &#8212; than piracy ever could.)  Everyone wants to be heard so it&#8217;s easy to get people to record cheap (before they&#8217;re famous anyway).  The price of each record represented mostly the cost of recording, reproducing, and distributing the actual records.</p>
<p>But those costs have dropped to near zero due to technological innovation.  What possible economic or legal theory dictates that record companies should get special legal assistance in maintaining their prices when their costs have dropped so precipitously?  Why did CDs cost $14 when the costs for recording, reproducing, and distributing them came nowhere close to that?  Why didn&#8217;t competition on the free market drop prices to where they were should have been (just a teensy bit over cost to produce)?</p>
<p>Mostly because suckers like you kept paying those costs.  This puts the price point for music out of the reach of a lot of lower income individuals.  We&#8217;ve set up a society where people are only allowed to share in and contribute to the culture if they have disposable income.  Let&#8217;s just hope the next Mozart isn&#8217;t born poor.</p>
<p>Note that before the record industry&#8217;s ascendance, a lower-class Mozart could have learned from locals making a living from live music.  The record industry put those people out of jobs, remember.  Let&#8217;s please stop pretending that the recording industry is good for music in particular and society in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert Wham</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/04/better-services-less-piracy.html#comment-1524611</link>
		<dc:creator>Gilbert Wham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Bandcamp.</description>
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		<title>By: Gilbert Wham</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/04/better-services-less-piracy.html#comment-1524554</link>
		<dc:creator>Gilbert Wham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 18:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Make a throwaway FB account with a disposable email address and fake details?</description>
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		<title>By: Tynam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/04/better-services-less-piracy.html#comment-1524526</link>
		<dc:creator>Tynam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 18:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m fond of 7digital.com, which was one of the early leaders on unlimited DRM-free MP3 downloads.  It&#039;s no longer as standout as it was, but that&#039;s partly because the competitionis better now.  It&#039;s still well worth a look, if only to avoid contributing to Amazon&#039;s increasing monopoly of everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m fond of 7digital.com, which was one of the early leaders on unlimited DRM-free MP3 downloads.  It&#8217;s no longer as standout as it was, but that&#8217;s partly because the competitionis better now.  It&#8217;s still well worth a look, if only to avoid contributing to Amazon&#8217;s increasing monopoly of everything.</p>
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		<title>By: BigBloxB</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/04/better-services-less-piracy.html#comment-1524479</link>
		<dc:creator>BigBloxB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the stupidest argument for piracy I have ever read in my entire life, bar none. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the stupidest argument for piracy I have ever read in my entire life, bar none. </p>
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		<title>By: comma splice</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/04/better-services-less-piracy.html#comment-1524472</link>
		<dc:creator>comma splice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brownlee&#039;s conclusion seems a bit to quick:

&quot;What’s the takeaway here? That’s a very good question. As a thirty-three year old man, I’m ashamed of the piracy of my twenties, but I’d be lying if I didn’t admit that it gradually helped transform me from a person who didn’t care about music into a music lover, an individual with a true passion for sound, and a fervent believer in buying music.

I hope, in the grand scheme of things, that is a comfort to the musicians and music executives who despair about the rampant piracy endemic to digital music: I can not be alone in this. I stole music just long enough for me to grow to love buying it.&quot;

It is quick because it obscures Brownlee&#039;s twist of an argument that many of us have heard since the days of Napster. According to the author, pirated music is no longer a conduit for the eventual purchase of copyrighted material. Rather, free-but-legal music allows him to explore and decide what he likes a lot before he purchases music (vinyl). While I would agree there is sometimes a type of passive downloading that is inimical to the appreciation of music--downloading hundreds of albums for what purpose?--is such a dichotomy helpful?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brownlee&#8217;s conclusion seems a bit to quick:</p>
<p>&#8220;What’s the takeaway here? That’s a very good question. As a thirty-three year old man, I’m ashamed of the piracy of my twenties, but I’d be lying if I didn’t admit that it gradually helped transform me from a person who didn’t care about music into a music lover, an individual with a true passion for sound, and a fervent believer in buying music.</p>
<p>I hope, in the grand scheme of things, that is a comfort to the musicians and music executives who despair about the rampant piracy endemic to digital music: I can not be alone in this. I stole music just long enough for me to grow to love buying it.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is quick because it obscures Brownlee&#8217;s twist of an argument that many of us have heard since the days of Napster. According to the author, pirated music is no longer a conduit for the eventual purchase of copyrighted material. Rather, free-but-legal music allows him to explore and decide what he likes a lot before he purchases music (vinyl). While I would agree there is sometimes a type of passive downloading that is inimical to the appreciation of music&#8211;downloading hundreds of albums for what purpose?&#8211;is such a dichotomy helpful?</p>
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		<title>By: Lauchlin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/04/better-services-less-piracy.html#comment-1524469</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauchlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s not what he said.  He implied that people only value things that they pay for, and therefore things that are not paid for are not valued.


Which, without equivocation, is a completely bazoo thing to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not what he said.  He implied that people only value things that they pay for, and therefore things that are not paid for are not valued.</p>
<p>Which, without equivocation, is a completely bazoo thing to say.</p>
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