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	<title>Comments on: Burning Man&#039;s Temple of&#160;Remembrance</title>
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		<title>By: Mike Meyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 07:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not being Catholic, I can&#039;t say that Freebird was less appropriate a song for the Temple Burn than Ave Maria.    It&#039;s nice to know that it was played in tribute to someone rather than as a prank to annoy people.   I thought it was funny, because the song was fairly appropriate for the occasion, even if not everyone&#039;s favorite music style.   Plus, the Temple burn has long stopped being all that solemn an event, what with all the people yelling &#039;down in front&#039; and all.   Like everything at Burning Man, it can have its moments of ridiculous along with the sublime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not being Catholic, I can&#8217;t say that Freebird was less appropriate a song for the Temple Burn than Ave Maria.    It&#8217;s nice to know that it was played in tribute to someone rather than as a prank to annoy people.   I thought it was funny, because the song was fairly appropriate for the occasion, even if not everyone&#8217;s favorite music style.   Plus, the Temple burn has long stopped being all that solemn an event, what with all the people yelling &#8216;down in front&#8217; and all.   Like everything at Burning Man, it can have its moments of ridiculous along with the sublime.</p>
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		<title>By: John Allan</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 19:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the official name is the Temple of Juno.  I think Temple of Remembrance is either a generic term used every year, or someone just made it up on their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the official name is the Temple of Juno.  I think Temple of Remembrance is either a generic term used every year, or someone just made it up on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: John Allan</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 19:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last year&#039;s burn was quiet where I was sitting (while the Burn was in progress).  Prior to the start of the burn, there was an impromptu chorus of Bohemian Rhapsody.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last year&#8217;s burn was quiet where I was sitting (while the Burn was in progress).  Prior to the start of the burn, there was an impromptu chorus of Bohemian Rhapsody.   </p>
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		<title>By: Trae Spear</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/05/burning-mans-temple-of-remem.html#comment-1527249</link>
		<dc:creator>Trae Spear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well next time, if your paperwork is in order...


Understand that your single greatest moment was subjective, and shared by thousands of others whose subjective experience was not quite the same as yours. If yours was anything like mine, it was interrupted by a variety of things, this one has just been singled out (in exclusion of safety hazards, several other art cars that blasted music, rude people, etc.), and singled out because of the lack of perceived artistic merit and a preconceived prejudice . That it was &#039;Freebird&#039;, specifically,  bothers people. They hate the song, its cliched to hell, and an anthem for all that they hate. I agreed, once upon a time. But, once again, my thoughts have been challenged and changed by experiences at or related to the  Burn.

Personally, the reverent distraction created by the DPW this year is still far overshadowed by the irreverent annoyance of things like the wave a few years ago. But I also realize that it only gets to me, if I let it. The year I needed the temple, I couldn&#039;t even have told you what was going on around me, much less what someone did that might have annoyed me across the ring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well next time, if your paperwork is in order&#8230;</p>
<p>Understand that your single greatest moment was subjective, and shared by thousands of others whose subjective experience was not quite the same as yours. If yours was anything like mine, it was interrupted by a variety of things, this one has just been singled out (in exclusion of safety hazards, several other art cars that blasted music, rude people, etc.), and singled out because of the lack of perceived artistic merit and a preconceived prejudice . That it was &#8216;Freebird&#8217;, specifically,  bothers people. They hate the song, its cliched to hell, and an anthem for all that they hate. I agreed, once upon a time. But, once again, my thoughts have been challenged and changed by experiences at or related to the  Burn.</p>
<p>Personally, the reverent distraction created by the DPW this year is still far overshadowed by the irreverent annoyance of things like the wave a few years ago. But I also realize that it only gets to me, if I let it. The year I needed the temple, I couldn&#8217;t even have told you what was going on around me, much less what someone did that might have annoyed me across the ring.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Sommer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Sommer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 19:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I am wondering is &quot;are silent temple burns a thing of the past&quot;?  There was a time when you could hear a pin drop.  I kind of miss that.  That being said, I was not aware of the significance of the playing of Freebird.   When I heard it my reaction was that it was kind of a jerky thing to do but that it was pretty funny.  Even people next to me crying for lost loved ones, who also didn&#039;t know of the significance, chuckled and smiled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I am wondering is &#8220;are silent temple burns a thing of the past&#8221;?  There was a time when you could hear a pin drop.  I kind of miss that.  That being said, I was not aware of the significance of the playing of Freebird.   When I heard it my reaction was that it was kind of a jerky thing to do but that it was pretty funny.  Even people next to me crying for lost loved ones, who also didn&#8217;t know of the significance, chuckled and smiled.</p>
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		<title>By: madsci</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/05/burning-mans-temple-of-remem.html#comment-1527003</link>
		<dc:creator>madsci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 18:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &quot;Freebird was justified.&quot;  I&#039;ll admit I only skimmed over the BM website this year, so I might have missed the rules.  Can you remind me how many man hours my group needs to put in volunteering and how well-liked our lost friend needs to be to qualify for a &quot;blasting music at the temple burn&quot; license?  Did we not submit the paperwork in time to get our contribution and our loss ranked against yours?

Understand that those of us who stayed silent despite our loss and pain did not do it because we didn&#039;t feel we were entitled to self-expression.  We did it because we respected those around us as human beings.  And in the middle of this we had to be reminded, loudly, that we were indeed in the presence of a handful of jackasses who couldn&#039;t see past their own self-entitlement and respect those around them as equals.  The single greatest moment of unity, empathy, and community of the whole week was interrupted by people telling us that they were better, more entitled, and more important than us lowly participants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &#8221;Freebird was justified.&#8221;  I&#8217;ll admit I only skimmed over the BM website this year, so I might have missed the rules.  Can you remind me how many man hours my group needs to put in volunteering and how well-liked our lost friend needs to be to qualify for a &#8220;blasting music at the temple burn&#8221; license?  Did we not submit the paperwork in time to get our contribution and our loss ranked against yours?</p>
<p>Understand that those of us who stayed silent despite our loss and pain did not do it because we didn&#8217;t feel we were entitled to self-expression.  We did it because we respected those around us as human beings.  And in the middle of this we had to be reminded, loudly, that we were indeed in the presence of a handful of jackasses who couldn&#8217;t see past their own self-entitlement and respect those around them as equals.  The single greatest moment of unity, empathy, and community of the whole week was interrupted by people telling us that they were better, more entitled, and more important than us lowly participants.</p>
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		<title>By: madsci</title>
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		<dc:creator>madsci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 17:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> DPW saying the burn is theirs to do with as they like because they did the most work is the WRONG attitude.  If you can&#039;t respect the other participants, then stay away from the temple burn and do something else.   The friend we lost two weeks before the burn was an exemplary human being, a prankster, and a rule-breaker.  Not one of us for a moment thought that gave us the right to disrupt the experience for others.  We had people fly in from out of the country at the last minute solely to be there to honor him.  We built our friend his OWN temple, hand-carried a gazebo-sized structure more than a mile across the playa, and held our memorials in a way we considered fitting to honor his memory.

I&#039;m very sorry DPW lost one of their own.  I just wish they had chosen to remember him and express their grief in a way that didn&#039;t detract from the experience for others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> DPW saying the burn is theirs to do with as they like because they did the most work is the WRONG attitude.  If you can&#8217;t respect the other participants, then stay away from the temple burn and do something else.   The friend we lost two weeks before the burn was an exemplary human being, a prankster, and a rule-breaker.  Not one of us for a moment thought that gave us the right to disrupt the experience for others.  We had people fly in from out of the country at the last minute solely to be there to honor him.  We built our friend his OWN temple, hand-carried a gazebo-sized structure more than a mile across the playa, and held our memorials in a way we considered fitting to honor his memory.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very sorry DPW lost one of their own.  I just wish they had chosen to remember him and express their grief in a way that didn&#8217;t detract from the experience for others.</p>
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		<title>By: madsci</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/05/burning-mans-temple-of-remem.html#comment-1526923</link>
		<dc:creator>madsci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 17:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The choir finished before the burn started.  Freebird was even more annoying than the too-high woman to my left who kept loudly proclaiming random &#039;deep&#039; thoughts and yelling at us that it was our problem if we just couldn&#039;t handle what she had to say.  I don&#039;t CARE what you have to say at that moment or how important your particular dead friend was, silence during the temple burn is about showing that you respect those around you and accept that they are people as much as you are.

Yes, the DPW parties loud.  In a community where tens of thousands of people are used to seeing themselves as the ones who party loud, who flout the rules and show everyone else how radically individual they are.  That&#039;s what the rest of the week is for.  During the temple burn, *everyone* can shut the hell up for half an hour and prove that they&#039;re not yahoos and deserve to be there.  That *especially* includes the DPW, who are supposed to exemplify a certain set of burner characteristics.

Personally, I hope that crew never receives an art car license again.  Let it go, and every year some group who sees themselves as the more worthy, superior burners will do it because they think their loss entitles them to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The choir finished before the burn started.  Freebird was even more annoying than the too-high woman to my left who kept loudly proclaiming random &#8216;deep&#8217; thoughts and yelling at us that it was our problem if we just couldn&#8217;t handle what she had to say.  I don&#8217;t CARE what you have to say at that moment or how important your particular dead friend was, silence during the temple burn is about showing that you respect those around you and accept that they are people as much as you are.</p>
<p>Yes, the DPW parties loud.  In a community where tens of thousands of people are used to seeing themselves as the ones who party loud, who flout the rules and show everyone else how radically individual they are.  That&#8217;s what the rest of the week is for.  During the temple burn, *everyone* can shut the hell up for half an hour and prove that they&#8217;re not yahoos and deserve to be there.  That *especially* includes the DPW, who are supposed to exemplify a certain set of burner characteristics.</p>
<p>Personally, I hope that crew never receives an art car license again.  Let it go, and every year some group who sees themselves as the more worthy, superior burners will do it because they think their loss entitles them to it.</p>
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		<title>By: madsci</title>
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		<dc:creator>madsci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 16:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was disrespectful to the rest of us who were there remembering our own dead friends.  We lost a long-time burner who was personally responsible for introducing scores, if not hundreds, of people to Burning Man and changing their lives for the better.  We didn&#039;t want to hear that godawful song while remembering Greg.  There&#039;s no reason everyone shouldn&#039;t be able to shut the hell up for 30 minutes to watch the temple burn in respectful silence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was disrespectful to the rest of us who were there remembering our own dead friends.  We lost a long-time burner who was personally responsible for introducing scores, if not hundreds, of people to Burning Man and changing their lives for the better.  We didn&#8217;t want to hear that godawful song while remembering Greg.  There&#8217;s no reason everyone shouldn&#8217;t be able to shut the hell up for 30 minutes to watch the temple burn in respectful silence.</p>
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		<title>By: wrybread</title>
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		<dc:creator>wrybread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 15:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a big fan of the &quot;what if everyone did it&quot; moral test. What if everyone expressed their own form of amplified grieving at the temple burn?

That said, my best temple burn memory was when someone (space cowboys I think) played Ave Maria over the silence a few years ago, so who knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a big fan of the &#8220;what if everyone did it&#8221; moral test. What if everyone expressed their own form of amplified grieving at the temple burn?</p>
<p>That said, my best temple burn memory was when someone (space cowboys I think) played Ave Maria over the silence a few years ago, so who knows.</p>
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		<title>By: franko</title>
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		<dc:creator>franko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 15:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, that&#039;s a good point -- bikes and larger vehicles up front is a problem. i didn&#039;t see it where we were. like you, i find it nice that the vehicles offer a wall of sorts to park bikes behind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, that&#8217;s a good point &#8212; bikes and larger vehicles up front is a problem. i didn&#8217;t see it where we were. like you, i find it nice that the vehicles offer a wall of sorts to park bikes behind.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Corrupt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Corrupt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 05:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I die - play the techno please.
 &#039;Freebird&#039; would cause my corpse to rise up and wreak terrible zombie vengance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I die &#8211; play the techno please.<br />
 &#8217;Freebird&#8217; would cause my corpse to rise up and wreak terrible zombie vengance.</p>
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		<title>By: Trae Spear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trae Spear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 03:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do find it interesting that everyone seems to be up in arms over the Freebird issue, but I have not seen mentioned once the fact that there were bikes and larger vehicles right up in the front row, creating both a safety hazard, and taking up room. I like the art cars there (generally off, though), because it creates an obvious wall for people to leave their bikes beyond (which only sorta happens, but at least most people get off and find a place to put them somewhere in that vicinity), and gives the people on those vehicles a beacon to return to ... instead of the post-burn (with many few landmarks) turning into a confused mass of people on foot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do find it interesting that everyone seems to be up in arms over the Freebird issue, but I have not seen mentioned once the fact that there were bikes and larger vehicles right up in the front row, creating both a safety hazard, and taking up room. I like the art cars there (generally off, though), because it creates an obvious wall for people to leave their bikes beyond (which only sorta happens, but at least most people get off and find a place to put them somewhere in that vicinity), and gives the people on those vehicles a beacon to return to &#8230; instead of the post-burn (with many few landmarks) turning into a confused mass of people on foot.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Umlas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Umlas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 01:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So - to clarify - I just worked on this year&#039;s temple, I did not lead the project or design the building this time.  David Best (who started the tradition over a decade ago) was in charge this year, and it was most likely his last.   To be completely honest, I don&#039;t necessarily agree with having music at all, but the people who give up their entire year to bring this project to the playa have every right to call how the burn goes.  Not some people in the crowd. 

  I regret that my initial reaction to this was an angry one.    Anyway, it&#039;s not a question of exclusivity.  It&#039;s a matter of reverence.  The power of 30,000 people sharing a long moment of silence is the most reverent, powerful experience I have ever had.   The 2009 temple burn was the most humbling moment I have ever had in my life, and maybe have any right to expect to have.  Almost no one made a sound the whole time.  

As for my reasons for building the temple?   The short answer is always that we built it for you.   I personally find some joy in the fact that there are very few places in our culture to grieve outside religion, and we can provide that.   The Temple of Joy burn in 02 was extremely cathartic for me at a time when I needed it - cathartic in a way I had been unable to find/express for almost a year, and the release was unbelievable.  Knowing that there is a way to help people that feel like they will never be okay again is worth it every time.

I have lots more to say, but I don&#039;t think any more division is what&#039;s needed.  I sincerely hope our friends in the DPW got the closure they needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So &#8211; to clarify &#8211; I just worked on this year&#8217;s temple, I did not lead the project or design the building this time.  David Best (who started the tradition over a decade ago) was in charge this year, and it was most likely his last.   To be completely honest, I don&#8217;t necessarily agree with having music at all, but the people who give up their entire year to bring this project to the playa have every right to call how the burn goes.  Not some people in the crowd. </p>
<p>  I regret that my initial reaction to this was an angry one.    Anyway, it&#8217;s not a question of exclusivity.  It&#8217;s a matter of reverence.  The power of 30,000 people sharing a long moment of silence is the most reverent, powerful experience I have ever had.   The 2009 temple burn was the most humbling moment I have ever had in my life, and maybe have any right to expect to have.  Almost no one made a sound the whole time.  </p>
<p>As for my reasons for building the temple?   The short answer is always that we built it for you.   I personally find some joy in the fact that there are very few places in our culture to grieve outside religion, and we can provide that.   The Temple of Joy burn in 02 was extremely cathartic for me at a time when I needed it &#8211; cathartic in a way I had been unable to find/express for almost a year, and the release was unbelievable.  Knowing that there is a way to help people that feel like they will never be okay again is worth it every time.</p>
<p>I have lots more to say, but I don&#8217;t think any more division is what&#8217;s needed.  I sincerely hope our friends in the DPW got the closure they needed.</p>
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		<title>By: franko</title>
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		<dc:creator>franko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 01:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually, i think asking people to leave the art cars in camp would solve a whole host of problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually, i think asking people to leave the art cars in camp would solve a whole host of problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie Nibs Passanisi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie Nibs Passanisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 22:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a lot of griping going on here, and it&#039;s giving me the same ick feeling I get when people yell for each other to &quot;sit the fuck down&quot; during the Temple burn. I understand your points, but let&#039;s not fight over sacred ground.

I have no clear opinion on the Freebird issue. It surprised me and seemed out of place, I admit, but I didn&#039;t give it any real thought (although I am very sorry to hear about the DPWs profound loss). I&#039;d rather focus on the amazing playa gift I received just after Freebird finished. Somewhere behind me, a boy started to sing. His voice was clear and reverent and stunningly beautiful. He soothed everyone around him, the agitated people who couldn&#039;t see, the overwhelmingly drunk girl who thought it was a rave, and the sea of people calling out names and &quot;love never leaves.&quot;

In that moment, I was grateful to be seated exactly where I was. I took deep breaths, and watched the dust devils, and thanked the powers that be that I didn&#039;t have names to yell this year.

We&#039;re all on the same side here, although we mourn differently. We&#039;re all just looking for a beautiful place to say goodbye, and hoping that the fire burns just a little longer in hopes that by the time it goes out, we&#039;ll heal.

(PS. They really should consider putting a designated silent/seated area somewhere around the Temple. That would solve a whole host of problems.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot of griping going on here, and it&#8217;s giving me the same ick feeling I get when people yell for each other to &#8220;sit the fuck down&#8221; during the Temple burn. I understand your points, but let&#8217;s not fight over sacred ground.</p>
<p>I have no clear opinion on the Freebird issue. It surprised me and seemed out of place, I admit, but I didn&#8217;t give it any real thought (although I am very sorry to hear about the DPWs profound loss). I&#8217;d rather focus on the amazing playa gift I received just after Freebird finished. Somewhere behind me, a boy started to sing. His voice was clear and reverent and stunningly beautiful. He soothed everyone around him, the agitated people who couldn&#8217;t see, the overwhelmingly drunk girl who thought it was a rave, and the sea of people calling out names and &#8220;love never leaves.&#8221;</p>
<p>In that moment, I was grateful to be seated exactly where I was. I took deep breaths, and watched the dust devils, and thanked the powers that be that I didn&#8217;t have names to yell this year.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re all on the same side here, although we mourn differently. We&#8217;re all just looking for a beautiful place to say goodbye, and hoping that the fire burns just a little longer in hopes that by the time it goes out, we&#8217;ll heal.</p>
<p>(PS. They really should consider putting a designated silent/seated area somewhere around the Temple. That would solve a whole host of problems.)</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 21:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone ever told you that you&#039;re a whiny bully?</description>
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		<title>By: Liam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone else who is &quot;extremely invested&quot;, why do I have to listen to Amazing Grace every year?  It comes in a near second to crappy techno. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone else who is &#8220;extremely invested&#8221;, why do I have to listen to Amazing Grace every year?  It comes in a near second to crappy techno. </p>
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		<title>By: Julio Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julio Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 20:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Temple of Remembrance? I thought it was called Temple of Juno this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Temple of Remembrance? I thought it was called Temple of Juno this year.</p>
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		<title>By: JimEJim</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimEJim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 20:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no rule that the temple burn has to be quiet.  I still remember my first year (2007) where people started a circular wave prior to the burn.  It was a nice experience that didn&#039;t require everyone to sit quietly the whole time even if it did get quiet when the burn actually started.

The temple has become an important part of Burning Man, sure, but even the temple should not be taken too seriously.  It used to bother me when some people would start being noisy or do stuff I would consider dumb, but in the end, you can still purge whatever it is you need to purge when the temple goes up in flames.  Some in the DPW decided they needed the music to help.  So be it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no rule that the temple burn has to be quiet.  I still remember my first year (2007) where people started a circular wave prior to the burn.  It was a nice experience that didn&#8217;t require everyone to sit quietly the whole time even if it did get quiet when the burn actually started.</p>
<p>The temple has become an important part of Burning Man, sure, but even the temple should not be taken too seriously.  It used to bother me when some people would start being noisy or do stuff I would consider dumb, but in the end, you can still purge whatever it is you need to purge when the temple goes up in flames.  Some in the DPW decided they needed the music to help.  So be it.</p>
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		<title>By: big daddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>big daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who is to say their way of grieving is correct?  everyone must grieve in silence?  people are different, they express their grief in different ways.  sounds like you are being exclusive, what ever happened to tolerance?  where is the line drawn to respect cultural differences?  talking about not cool...    so you yourselves apparently had a choir singing.  what if I dont like that type of music, then are you being disrespectful?  then of course the question is- being disrespectful to whom?  the dead?  maybe they are the only ones who could tell us the answer to this conundrum- but they arent talking.  if you feel its disrespectful to you, then YOU are being extremely self-centered.  think about it for a minute and your reasons for building it in the first place...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who is to say their way of grieving is correct?  everyone must grieve in silence?  people are different, they express their grief in different ways.  sounds like you are being exclusive, what ever happened to tolerance?  where is the line drawn to respect cultural differences?  talking about not cool&#8230;    so you yourselves apparently had a choir singing.  what if I dont like that type of music, then are you being disrespectful?  then of course the question is- being disrespectful to whom?  the dead?  maybe they are the only ones who could tell us the answer to this conundrum- but they arent talking.  if you feel its disrespectful to you, then YOU are being extremely self-centered.  think about it for a minute and your reasons for building it in the first place&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ito Kagehisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ito Kagehisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 20:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Hmmm.... there&#039;s one rather close by.   The list of rules is a bit daunting, but seems doable.  Thank you Mr. von Slatt!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Hmmm&#8230;. there&#8217;s one rather close by.   The list of rules is a bit daunting, but seems doable.  Thank you Mr. von Slatt!</p>
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		<title>By: Jake von Slatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake von Slatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 18:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have a look at the list of Burning Man regional events then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regional_Burning_Man_events
You may find something that works for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have a look at the list of Burning Man regional events then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regional_Burning_Man_events<br />
You may find something that works for you.</p>
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		<title>By: snuckles</title>
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		<dc:creator>snuckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 17:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all of you need to just move on. seriously. someone played some music- big deal. especially coming from people who pump horrible techno music all week so there is not a waking moment without crappy thumping beats. FREEBIRD!!! get over it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all of you need to just move on. seriously. someone played some music- big deal. especially coming from people who pump horrible techno music all week so there is not a waking moment without crappy thumping beats. FREEBIRD!!! get over it. </p>
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		<title>By: Ito Kagehisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ito Kagehisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 17:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, it is in a location that is highly inhospitable to my form of life, and extremely expensive to reach from my current location.  I have the impression I would enjoy the event, otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, it is in a location that is highly inhospitable to my form of life, and extremely expensive to reach from my current location.  I have the impression I would enjoy the event, otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Umlas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Umlas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 17:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep - see my comment at the bottom.  Just because you&#039;re DPW does not give you the right to make a ruckus at the temple burn.  Joey&#039;s death was tragic, but it does not give you the right to co-opt everyone else&#039;s experience.  

DPWs entitlement stopped being cute years ago.

And having worked closely with David many times, I can say that you guys stepped WAY over the line with this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep &#8211; see my comment at the bottom.  Just because you&#8217;re DPW does not give you the right to make a ruckus at the temple burn.  Joey&#8217;s death was tragic, but it does not give you the right to co-opt everyone else&#8217;s experience.  </p>
<p>DPWs entitlement stopped being cute years ago.</p>
<p>And having worked closely with David many times, I can say that you guys stepped WAY over the line with this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Trae Spear</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/05/burning-mans-temple-of-remem.html#comment-1526072</link>
		<dc:creator>Trae Spear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 17:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The proper response would then be to apologize and not to justify.&quot; 
But we aren&#039;t sorry. Some of us have felt a need to explain (and there might be more, but most of us are out there doing what we do, and will be for the next month+), but that is not asking for forgiveness. Freebird was justified, and your forgiveness is not needed, or asked for. So our grief challenged your preconceptions, and somehow ruined your own? Sounds like a personal problem my friend.

Trust me when I say if the goal was disruption, far more disruption would have occurred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The proper response would then be to apologize and not to justify.&#8221; <br />
But we aren&#8217;t sorry. Some of us have felt a need to explain (and there might be more, but most of us are out there doing what we do, and will be for the next month+), but that is not asking for forgiveness. Freebird was justified, and your forgiveness is not needed, or asked for. So our grief challenged your preconceptions, and somehow ruined your own? Sounds like a personal problem my friend.</p>
<p>Trust me when I say if the goal was disruption, far more disruption would have occurred.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Umlas</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/05/burning-mans-temple-of-remem.html#comment-1526058</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Umlas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 17:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who is extremely invested* in the temple project, I find this to be extremely disrespectful.  I know the people involved in the DPW (some for years).  They were given a very special place in the building to place remembrances of their lost ones.  David Best allowed them to put whatever they wanted into the spire at the top of the building. Playing loud music there betrays David&#039;s graciousness in allowing them access to a spot in the building normally reserved for temple builders.  David began the temple tradition and DPW just gave him the finger on what is most likely his last turn at the helm.  


Not Cool Guys.  Not one bit.  Joey had &quot;Never Betray&quot; tattooed on his chest.  What part of that do you not understand?  Sure, DPW has a hard job.  To say that because you&#039;re the DPW you can do whatever you want is extremely self-centered and not even a little okay.   



 (* Extremely Invested = worked on this year as well as the temples in 2003 and 2004, and designed and lead the 2009 temple.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who is extremely invested* in the temple project, I find this to be extremely disrespectful.  I know the people involved in the DPW (some for years).  They were given a very special place in the building to place remembrances of their lost ones.  David Best allowed them to put whatever they wanted into the spire at the top of the building. Playing loud music there betrays David&#8217;s graciousness in allowing them access to a spot in the building normally reserved for temple builders.  David began the temple tradition and DPW just gave him the finger on what is most likely his last turn at the helm.  </p>
<p>Not Cool Guys.  Not one bit.  Joey had &#8220;Never Betray&#8221; tattooed on his chest.  What part of that do you not understand?  Sure, DPW has a hard job.  To say that because you&#8217;re the DPW you can do whatever you want is extremely self-centered and not even a little okay.   </p>
<p> (* Extremely Invested = worked on this year as well as the temples in 2003 and 2004, and designed and lead the 2009 temple.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ito Kagehisa</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/05/burning-mans-temple-of-remem.html#comment-1525947</link>
		<dc:creator>Ito Kagehisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 14:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are the Sacred Scoffer,&quot; she finished.
&quot;He-Who-Must-Mock-in-the-Temple--you go shod on holy ground.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are the Sacred Scoffer,&#8221; she finished.<br />
&#8220;He-Who-Must-Mock-in-the-Temple&#8211;you go shod on holy ground.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jake von Slatt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/05/burning-mans-temple-of-remem.html#comment-1525942</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake von Slatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 14:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why I love Burningman so much. Nothing is ever completely clear, planned, appropriate, known, understood, fair, or even nice.  But it is always glorious. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I love Burningman so much. Nothing is ever completely clear, planned, appropriate, known, understood, fair, or even nice.  But it is always glorious. </p>
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