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	<title>Comments on: Junebug-like robotic pack&#160;mule</title>
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		<title>By: Itsumishi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Itsumishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 03:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m guessing the main reason Darpa aren&#039;t relying on actual pack mules is that they figured their Terminators would bond better with robotic pack-mules. Companionship gets a lot of people through war.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=aqCmX5dMYHg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m guessing the main reason Darpa aren&#8217;t relying on actual pack mules is that they figured their Terminators would bond better with robotic pack-mules. Companionship gets a lot of people through war.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&#038;v=aqCmX5dMYHg" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&#038;v=aqCmX5dMYHg</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Kopelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Kopelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 00:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s try powering that with batteries or a fuel cell if that will provide enough horsepower/endurance and cut out the noise. You&#039;re not going to sneak up on anyone except deaf people with that thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s try powering that with batteries or a fuel cell if that will provide enough horsepower/endurance and cut out the noise. You&#8217;re not going to sneak up on anyone except deaf people with that thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Haraldur Már Guðnason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haraldur Már Guðnason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find your logic default,
 1.You could probably train a mule to carry machinegunturrets with a lot of patience and a little love
2.Mules dont need to run on gas, they run on grass and hopps, cheaper than oil and more abundant. 
3.You could very well pack mules inside a C130 with only a 1/4 of an inch between them accepting that a lot would not survive (or even tighter if all were dead).
4.Mules are treated like shit all over the world, all of them die but only some sooner than others. 

I find mules quite rugged creatures and smart in having hidden theyre war-machine like talents for so long. But no longer.

Also, rhinos would kick Junebugs ass!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find your logic default,<br />
 1.You could probably train a mule to carry machinegunturrets with a lot of patience and a little love<br />
2.Mules dont need to run on gas, they run on grass and hopps, cheaper than oil and more abundant.<br />
3.You could very well pack mules inside a C130 with only a 1/4 of an inch between them accepting that a lot would not survive (or even tighter if all were dead).<br />
4.Mules are treated like shit all over the world, all of them die but only some sooner than others. </p>
<p>I find mules quite rugged creatures and smart in having hidden theyre war-machine like talents for so long. But no longer.</p>
<p>Also, rhinos would kick Junebugs ass!</p>
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		<title>By: SumAnon</title>
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		<dc:creator>SumAnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The DARPA Beast is coming for you. Right now. It knows where you live. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The DARPA Beast is coming for you. Right now. It knows where you live. </p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@austinhamman:&lt;blockquote&gt;wheels and tank treads for roads, for going into a building you need feet.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/police-robot-seeks-out-bad-guys&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Actually, you don&#039;t.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@austinhamman:<br />
<blockquote>wheels and tank treads for roads, for going into a building you need feet.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/police-robot-seeks-out-bad-guys" rel="nofollow">Actually, you don&#8217;t.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An autonomous vehicle equipped with all-terrain treads will get your cargo there faster, cheaper and a hell of a lot quieter—but it just won&#039;t haunt your enemies&#039; nightmares in quite the same way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An autonomous vehicle equipped with all-terrain treads will get your cargo there faster, cheaper and a hell of a lot quieter—but it just won&#8217;t haunt your enemies&#8217; nightmares in quite the same way.</p>
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		<title>By: thecleaninglady</title>
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		<dc:creator>thecleaninglady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say paint it in pastel colors, add a smiley face, a cute voice box and a machine gun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say paint it in pastel colors, add a smiley face, a cute voice box and a machine gun.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Keller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Keller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I have the theme song stuck in my head, (which hasn&#039;t happened since 1987.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I have the theme song stuck in my head, (which hasn&#8217;t happened since 1987.)</p>
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		<title>By: austinhamman</title>
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		<dc:creator>austinhamman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>id like to point out drone strikes pretty common, they have a form of drone strike called a signature strike, where they kill someone with a drone based on some loose pattern matching, like he was going to a place frequented by terrorists or carrying something loosely shaped like an RPG. a drone can carry a bomb and take out an entire girls school(well the fire did most the work) 
whether its spying, assassination, attacking known terrorists or just attacking suspected terrorists you know nothing about, drones serve a strong presence in combat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>id like to point out drone strikes pretty common, they have a form of drone strike called a signature strike, where they kill someone with a drone based on some loose pattern matching, like he was going to a place frequented by terrorists or carrying something loosely shaped like an RPG. a drone can carry a bomb and take out an entire girls school(well the fire did most the work)<br />
whether its spying, assassination, attacking known terrorists or just attacking suspected terrorists you know nothing about, drones serve a strong presence in combat.</p>
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		<title>By: austinhamman</title>
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		<dc:creator>austinhamman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> moving over rough terrain, going up steep inclines(on lose soil as seen in the video at that incline the wheels or treads would just spin while the bot rolled down the hill), maneuvering around trees and brush (maneuvering on treads is terrible) also moving on ice (wheels even treads will sit there and spin, big dog took it like a champ)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> moving over rough terrain, going up steep inclines(on lose soil as seen in the video at that incline the wheels or treads would just spin while the bot rolled down the hill), maneuvering around trees and brush (maneuvering on treads is terrible) also moving on ice (wheels even treads will sit there and spin, big dog took it like a champ)</p>
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		<title>By: austinhamman</title>
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		<dc:creator>austinhamman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> wheels and tank treads for roads, for going into a building you need feet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> wheels and tank treads for roads, for going into a building you need feet.</p>
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		<title>By: SamSam</title>
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		<dc:creator>SamSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In urban warfare you can use wheels or tank treads, which are many times simpler and more efficient.

I think this is definitely for rugged terrains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In urban warfare you can use wheels or tank treads, which are many times simpler and more efficient.</p>
<p>I think this is definitely for rugged terrains.</p>
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		<title>By: Noam DePlume</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noam DePlume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Firefly, the use of horses as beasts of burden on backwater worlds made perfect sense, even with the fact that they have to eat and sleep and whatnot. Horses can make more horses, scavenge food from a dynamic, unstructured environment, and self-repair with minimal intervention from humans. I have yet to see a dune buggy or robot do any of those tricks. 

However, that only matters if you are in the middle of nowhere with effectively no supply lines, and are expected to stay there for the rest of your life. I think the US Military doctrine in that case is to call for backup and get the hell out.

Assuming you have supply lines, the fact that these things run on gas and can&#039;t self-repair isn&#039;t all that important, as even if they are &quot;attractive targets to disable, consequently bring their platoons to a halt with a large supply of now immobile equipment&quot;, the response is to have someone strafe the area that the disabling shot came from, and then have the supply line bring up repair and replacement matériel, not sit around with your thumb up your ass going &quot;Well boys, I guess they got us, time to call off the war&quot;. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Firefly, the use of horses as beasts of burden on backwater worlds made perfect sense, even with the fact that they have to eat and sleep and whatnot. Horses can make more horses, scavenge food from a dynamic, unstructured environment, and self-repair with minimal intervention from humans. I have yet to see a dune buggy or robot do any of those tricks. </p>
<p>However, that only matters if you are in the middle of nowhere with effectively no supply lines, and are expected to stay there for the rest of your life. I think the US Military doctrine in that case is to call for backup and get the hell out.</p>
<p>Assuming you have supply lines, the fact that these things run on gas and can&#8217;t self-repair isn&#8217;t all that important, as even if they are &#8220;attractive targets to disable, consequently bring their platoons to a halt with a large supply of now immobile equipment&#8221;, the response is to have someone strafe the area that the disabling shot came from, and then have the supply line bring up repair and replacement matériel, not sit around with your thumb up your ass going &#8220;Well boys, I guess they got us, time to call off the war&#8221;. </p>
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		<title>By: Forrest O.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Forrest O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL all the way to the free-speech detention zone</description>
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		<title>By: wizardru</title>
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		<dc:creator>wizardru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They did forsee one-to-many transmission...they just didn&#039;t understand the application usages, at first.  Wireless was slower and wires had already been run.  One of the PROBLEMS of wireless was that it was one-to-many.  In fact, one competitor totally pranked Marconi&#039;s company at a presentation by proving that it wasn&#039;t as secure with this new &#039;tuning&#039; technology as Marconi had implied.  Everyone was afraid that messages wouldn&#039;t be private.  Just like no one grasped to power of Twitter now, they didn&#039;t grasp the application of radio telegraphy at the outset.

The point being, IMHO, that technological adaption can be rapid when the utility emerges.  In 1993, people considered the web a curiosity, but something only fringe nerds would need or could use, but a few short years later it was ubiquitous. (I remember how many people got news about 9/11 over e-mail, the web and forum postings, fr&#039;ex.)
What hamstrung it&#039;s adoption and development was the requirements of both the governments involved and the commercial environment in which it was fostered (as well as the scientific community&#039;s politics and dynamics at that time).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They did forsee one-to-many transmission&#8230;they just didn&#8217;t understand the application usages, at first.  Wireless was slower and wires had already been run.  One of the PROBLEMS of wireless was that it was one-to-many.  In fact, one competitor totally pranked Marconi&#8217;s company at a presentation by proving that it wasn&#8217;t as secure with this new &#8216;tuning&#8217; technology as Marconi had implied.  Everyone was afraid that messages wouldn&#8217;t be private.  Just like no one grasped to power of Twitter now, they didn&#8217;t grasp the application of radio telegraphy at the outset.</p>
<p>The point being, IMHO, that technological adaption can be rapid when the utility emerges.  In 1993, people considered the web a curiosity, but something only fringe nerds would need or could use, but a few short years later it was ubiquitous. (I remember how many people got news about 9/11 over e-mail, the web and forum postings, fr&#8217;ex.)<br />
What hamstrung it&#8217;s adoption and development was the requirements of both the governments involved and the commercial environment in which it was fostered (as well as the scientific community&#8217;s politics and dynamics at that time).</p>
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		<title>By: coop</title>
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		<dc:creator>coop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Boston Dynamics&quot;. 

I suppose this explains the name of the Boston company &quot;Massive Dynamics&quot; that&#039;s featured in Fringe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Boston Dynamics&#8221;. </p>
<p>I suppose this explains the name of the Boston company &#8220;Massive Dynamics&#8221; that&#8217;s featured in Fringe.</p>
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		<title>By: AttackHamster</title>
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		<dc:creator>AttackHamster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Did you see the earlier Big Dog prototype? Still very impressive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXI4WWhPn-U</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Did you see the earlier Big Dog prototype? Still very impressive:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXI4WWhPn-U" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXI4WWhPn-U</a></p>
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		<title>By: krisk1</title>
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		<dc:creator>krisk1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really cool. That first Boston Dynamics pack mule that showed up on web a few years ago blew my mind.


Although this is a long way from actual use on the (battle)field, If ever.
And all they have to do is leave one malfunctioned robot behind, and it will be a waste of years of research and $$$$$$ once the enemy reverse engineers it.I still wonder how stupid people feel about spending a jillion US$ on R&amp;D for that stealth drone only to have Iran take it over and land it intact. Of course with stealth technology, its pretty much obsolete once its deployed. Maybe it will be the same for these DARPA pack mules... By the time they actually start using it, there will already be new and better ones in development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really cool. That first Boston Dynamics pack mule that showed up on web a few years ago blew my mind.</p>
<p>Although this is a long way from actual use on the (battle)field, If ever.<br />
And all they have to do is leave one malfunctioned robot behind, and it will be a waste of years of research and $$$$$$ once the enemy reverse engineers it.I still wonder how stupid people feel about spending a jillion US$ on R&amp;D for that stealth drone only to have Iran take it over and land it intact. Of course with stealth technology, its pretty much obsolete once its deployed. Maybe it will be the same for these DARPA pack mules&#8230; By the time they actually start using it, there will already be new and better ones in development.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kisner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kisner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not exactly stealth though.  Yet.</description>
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		<title>By: Peter Kisner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kisner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good start toward centaur technology.</description>
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		<title>By: billstreeter</title>
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		<dc:creator>billstreeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A robotic mule is nothing, just wait till they start making these things as agile as cats. </description>
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		<title>By: Mantissa128</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mantissa128</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z48FWWCG4dU&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;My thoughts exactly!&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z48FWWCG4dU" rel="nofollow">My thoughts exactly!</a></p>
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		<title>By: James Agenbroad</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Agenbroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing with radio is, people saw applications for it as a telegraph to send messages where there were no wires: ships at sea, that sort of thing.  What people really didn&#039;t foresee was broadcast radio, the way it enables one to many transmission.
nb the old term for drones was RPVs (remotely piloted vehicles)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing with radio is, people saw applications for it as a telegraph to send messages where there were no wires: ships at sea, that sort of thing.  What people really didn&#8217;t foresee was broadcast radio, the way it enables one to many transmission.<br />
nb the old term for drones was RPVs (remotely piloted vehicles)</p>
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		<title>By: David Lavictoire</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Lavictoire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like how they did their faces as a cubist Munch tribute. </description>
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		<title>By: CSBD</title>
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		<dc:creator>CSBD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would not be hard at all to add a standard weapons turret with an M240 to this guy and have a remotely operated/fired weapon, or the weapon could be switched over to  search/track with the fire/no fire option being held remotely by a person... or just turn it loose and it will fire at anything that moves (Israel has had automated turrets for years guarding their walls)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would not be hard at all to add a standard weapons turret with an M240 to this guy and have a remotely operated/fired weapon, or the weapon could be switched over to  search/track with the fire/no fire option being held remotely by a person&#8230; or just turn it loose and it will fire at anything that moves (Israel has had automated turrets for years guarding their walls)</p>
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		<title>By: wizardru</title>
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		<dc:creator>wizardru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From who have you been hearing that, other than science fiction?  My father, who worked with the military in weapons development, told me thirty years ago that airplanes would eventually become obsolete as a primary weapons platform, when we would use drones with no pilots that could fly faster than humans could tolerate and would kill themselves without hesitation.  He didn&#039;t use the term &#039;drones&#039; because that wasn&#039;t in circulation in 1982....but that&#039;s what he was describing.

Robots HAVE become a ubiquitous part of our world....most people just don&#039;t recognize them because they&#039;re not anthropomorphicized or are so dedicated to one function we think of them as simple machines.  When I was a kid, robots building cars was the stuff of science fiction, not fact.  Military units going into battle with UAVs is not standard stuff, drones serve the military in a host of applications.  Sending in robots to remove mines, defuse bombs or enter a fire-zone to dismantle defenses is becoming common.

There was a time when tanks were considered unwieldy, too expensive and too clumsy to be used in practical warfare.  Could this thing be super-vulnerable?   It certainly looks like it. So were tanks, once.  A mobile all-terrain self-impelled platform that could carry additional weapons, ammunition, electronics packages, medical supplies and also act as muscle, a towing device and who knows how many other applications?   I can easily see the lessons learned here paying off.

The problem with saying that the first 30 years of flight had big strides is getting everyone to agree when that actually WAS.  If you mean from the first powered flight by the Wright Brothers, then yes.  But by the time THEY did it, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_flying_machines&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;people had been attempting to build similar devices for 100-150 years&lt;/a&gt;.  

Right now I&#039;m reading Erik Larson&#039;s &quot;Thunderstruck&quot;, which is partly about Marconi&#039;s invention of radio telegraphy...and it&#039;s stunning how in 1901 no one can see how it would be useful or how in 1905, when transatlantic transmissions are being tested, no one can see it having broad applications or have any idea how dramatically it will be adopted, less than 30 years later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From who have you been hearing that, other than science fiction?  My father, who worked with the military in weapons development, told me thirty years ago that airplanes would eventually become obsolete as a primary weapons platform, when we would use drones with no pilots that could fly faster than humans could tolerate and would kill themselves without hesitation.  He didn&#8217;t use the term &#8216;drones&#8217; because that wasn&#8217;t in circulation in 1982&#8230;.but that&#8217;s what he was describing.</p>
<p>Robots HAVE become a ubiquitous part of our world&#8230;.most people just don&#8217;t recognize them because they&#8217;re not anthropomorphicized or are so dedicated to one function we think of them as simple machines.  When I was a kid, robots building cars was the stuff of science fiction, not fact.  Military units going into battle with UAVs is not standard stuff, drones serve the military in a host of applications.  Sending in robots to remove mines, defuse bombs or enter a fire-zone to dismantle defenses is becoming common.</p>
<p>There was a time when tanks were considered unwieldy, too expensive and too clumsy to be used in practical warfare.  Could this thing be super-vulnerable?   It certainly looks like it. So were tanks, once.  A mobile all-terrain self-impelled platform that could carry additional weapons, ammunition, electronics packages, medical supplies and also act as muscle, a towing device and who knows how many other applications?   I can easily see the lessons learned here paying off.</p>
<p>The problem with saying that the first 30 years of flight had big strides is getting everyone to agree when that actually WAS.  If you mean from the first powered flight by the Wright Brothers, then yes.  But by the time THEY did it, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_flying_machines" rel="nofollow">people had been attempting to build similar devices for 100-150 years</a>.  </p>
<p>Right now I&#8217;m reading Erik Larson&#8217;s &#8220;Thunderstruck&#8221;, which is partly about Marconi&#8217;s invention of radio telegraphy&#8230;and it&#8217;s stunning how in 1901 no one can see how it would be useful or how in 1905, when transatlantic transmissions are being tested, no one can see it having broad applications or have any idea how dramatically it will be adopted, less than 30 years later.</p>
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		<title>By: Boundegar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boundegar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DO NOT ENCOURAGE THEM!</description>
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		<title>By: bcsizemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bcsizemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You realize I&#039;ve been hearing &quot;these will become a ubiquitous part of our world&quot; for 30 years now.

Our &quot;flying machines&quot; however cover great distances and do things that people/animals can&#039;t do on their own.  This, not so much.

And in terms of the evolution of aviation, the first 30 years make some pretty big strides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You realize I&#8217;ve been hearing &#8220;these will become a ubiquitous part of our world&#8221; for 30 years now.</p>
<p>Our &#8220;flying machines&#8221; however cover great distances and do things that people/animals can&#8217;t do on their own.  This, not so much.</p>
<p>And in terms of the evolution of aviation, the first 30 years make some pretty big strides.</p>
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		<title>By: tubacat</title>
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		<dc:creator>tubacat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm...let&#039;s see:

&quot;The &#039;flying machines&#039; we&#039;ve seen so far are pretty crude. Big, noisy, brainless, and so far unarmored. We can of course assume some level of improvement in all those areas down the road, but for now let&#039;s assume they&#039;ll be at least a mild nuisance to have with a unit of troops....they&#039;re at least somewhat prone to mechanical failures; and they might as well have a big bullseye painted on the side with chunky block letters saying &quot;Shoot Me, Please!&quot;&quot;

We&#039;re looking at a prototype here. I&#039;m quite sure these will become a ubiquitous part of our world, both military and non, in a not-too-distant future. Like &#039;flying machines&#039; did...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;let&#8217;s see:</p>
<p>&#8220;The &#8216;flying machines&#8217; we&#8217;ve seen so far are pretty crude. Big, noisy, brainless, and so far unarmored. We can of course assume some level of improvement in all those areas down the road, but for now let&#8217;s assume they&#8217;ll be at least a mild nuisance to have with a unit of troops&#8230;.they&#8217;re at least somewhat prone to mechanical failures; and they might as well have a big bullseye painted on the side with chunky block letters saying &#8220;Shoot Me, Please!&#8221;"</p>
<p>We&#8217;re looking at a prototype here. I&#8217;m quite sure these will become a ubiquitous part of our world, both military and non, in a not-too-distant future. Like &#8216;flying machines&#8217; did&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tubacat</title>
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		<dc:creator>tubacat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most interesting thing, to me, about these robots is how they are programmed. Instead of the old AI approaches, where control and decision-making was top down &amp; centralized (and getting a robot arm to pick up a particular cube was a real accomplishment), here, the &quot;intelligence&quot; is in the individual components, which gather data about the local situation and respond appropriately, with no central program &quot;telling&quot; them what to do. Rodney Brooks was an originator of this approach (he also happened to be my LISP instructor, but that was much earlier...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most interesting thing, to me, about these robots is how they are programmed. Instead of the old AI approaches, where control and decision-making was top down &amp; centralized (and getting a robot arm to pick up a particular cube was a real accomplishment), here, the &#8220;intelligence&#8221; is in the individual components, which gather data about the local situation and respond appropriately, with no central program &#8220;telling&#8221; them what to do. Rodney Brooks was an originator of this approach (he also happened to be my LISP instructor, but that was much earlier&#8230;)</p>
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