Comments on: AT&T blocking iPhone FaceTime on its network is a big blow to Deaf people

By: Sassy Lou

Sassy Lou — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:16:00 +0000

AT&T Sucks! They are going to get tons of people dropping them as soon as the new iPhone gets out. We have someone in the office who is so ready to pay the break contract fee. My girlfriend’s line got dropped last night..just like they have been for the past 4 years.

By: TheMadLibrarian

TheMadLibrarian — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:22:00 +0000

Have you ever seen the teletype relay service machine? It’s the size of a laptop, only does text, and needs to be plugged into a land line with an attached telephone. It is not a viable alternative to Facetime, the same way that a moped is not a replacement for a Harley, even if they are both two-wheeled motorized transportation.

By: Ito Kagehisa

Ito Kagehisa — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:36:00 +0000

The Blessed Saint Ayn Rand, patron of the one percent, says we need to punish the blind and deaf harshly for their handicaps, and then kick them while they are down.

It’s the only objectively rational thing to do. It’s righteous!

If they aren’t challenged, how can they triumph over the evil, pimply forces of collectivism and become rich industrialists with rugged, chiseled features?

Making them pay extra for things that other people get for free is good for them.

By: glatt1

glatt1 — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:40:00 +0000

It’s ironic that this is AT&T that’s doing this. AT&T is a spin-off of Bell decades ago when it was broken up. Bell was a pioneer in developing things to help the deaf community. I remember as a kid going to Bell Labs and playing with the external artificial voice boxes you could hold against your neck to give you a voice if you had none.

By: Nathan Hornby

Nathan Hornby — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:22:00 +0000

After reading more I wonder what it is that YOU don’t get about his statement.

You might as well also claim that they’re blocking phone calls and text messages.

By: howaboutthisdangit

howaboutthisdangit — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:10:00 +0000

This sounds like a typical move for a U.S. carrier. They do not like to give away anything that can be charged for, even it it is a feature built in to the phone.

By: Bink Binkerson

Bink Binkerson — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:37:00 +0000

Fine. Send your friend an iMessage (always on) saying “I’m calling you on Skype in one minute”. With all the adaptation and creativity that deaf people have to go through in their lives daily, this is NOTHING. But yes, AT&T does suck in a world-class manner.

By: Daemonworks

Daemonworks — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:17:00 +0000

Of course, they could use any of the other video-chat options out there. This is actually the first I’ve heard of anone actually using facetime instead of skype – and I recently spent a year on exchange with a small horde of folks with ipods, iphones and macs.

By: Gerald Mander

Gerald Mander — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 04:22:00 +0000

Oh, thank you for this thought. I’d been thinking I would have to wait till my contract expired to get away from ATT for this asshat move.

By: EH

EH — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 03:18:00 +0000

They just introduce new things that aren’t grandfathered and change the name of the previously-unlimited plan to something like “plus classic” or “standard gold.” Much easier.

By: EH

EH — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 03:17:00 +0000

Things like this tend to qualify as “material changes.” There’s some chit-chat on the internets about taking advantage of this kind of thing.

By: TalkingKoala

TalkingKoala — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 03:01:00 +0000

Another reason not to use AT&T

By: yeahyeahwhtever

yeahyeahwhtever — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 01:18:00 +0000

The corporate person that is ATT does not care one bit about you or your issues; it only cares about increasing profits.

By: yeahyeahwhtever

yeahyeahwhtever — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 01:13:00 +0000

American telco/ISPs provide scarcity in order to keep the price up. And it wouldn’t be hard for them to degrade service on unlimited plans; they just have to make sure and not get caught.

By: yeahyeahwhtever

yeahyeahwhtever — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 01:06:00 +0000

Hmm, change in TOS = get out for free b/c you don’t agree to the new TOS? Sweet!

By: grimc

grimc — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 00:22:00 +0000

I’m assuming that’s $20/month with a 2 year contract.

By: grimc

grimc — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 00:20:00 +0000

From the Wired piece:

Third-party apps like Skype require installation, set-up and integration and are not “always on” in the same way FaceTime is. FaceTime’s Wi-Fi limitation has been its only inconvenience, and has led to many missed calls.

By: geekagirl

geekagirl — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 00:19:00 +0000

AT&T has a relay/teletype service for it’s deaf/hard of hearing customers. The federal government funds this service. Golly gee, I wonder why they seem to be discouraging the use of Facetime?

By: Bink Binkerson

Bink Binkerson — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 00:04:00 +0000

Somebody clue me in here; I’m a closet Apple fanboi with an iPhone and a MacBook Pro. And I hate AT&T as much as the next guy (actually, much more).

But faced with this Facetime bullshit, why not just use Skype?

By: Steven Noble

Steven Noble — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:55:00 +0000

Hopefully the HLAA or possibly the ACLU will get involved. It’s a very touchy subject for sure. IANAL but I don’t think it’s a violation of the ADA as AT&T is not discriminating against the deaf/hoh.

IMHO the deaf/hoh normally get the short end when it comes to cellular technology. My mother is deaf and I’ve dealt with interference, expensive t-coil adapters and all sorts of other crap for the last 18 or so years.Up until the iPhone 4S, Apple did not comply with the guidelines for being compatible or not interfering with hearing aids as they met the “De Minimis Exception”.

From : http://images.apple.com/accessibility/pdf/iPhone_3GS_VPAT.pdfiPhone is not M3 or T3 rated as defined under the United States Federal Communication Commission hearing aid compatibility guidelines.

From : http://wireless.fcc.gov/hac_documents/100720/Apple%20Inc._27.PDF”De Minimis Exception”: Apple qualifies for the FCC’s “de minimis” exception because it did not offer more than two handset models at any point during the reporting period. Apple offered the iPhone 3G (A1241) from 07/09 – 06/10, but stopped offering this model prior to the introduction of the iPhone 4. The FCC Hearing Aid Compatibility Status Report Form currently permits manufacturers who answer “no” to the first de minimis exception question to enter technical information for a maximum of two handsets. However, technical information for the iPhone 3G is available in Apple’s previous status report dated July 15, 2009.

By: grimc

grimc — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:40:00 +0000

I wonder if it could be argued that this is a violation of the ADA.

By: signsofrain

signsofrain — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:38:00 +0000

The reason we keep seeing these stupid stories is that network access providers (both wired and wireless) consistently sell more bandwidth than they are actually able to provide. Then, when faced with the network congestion they caused by overselling, they regulate the network in ever-more invasive ways. BitTorrent throttling, tethering “plans”, data caps and the massive fees for going over them… all caused by ISPs knowingly selling more bandwidth than they can provide.

By: nvlady

nvlady — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:37:00 +0000

They just want to get ahead and around the ”unlimited’ plan stuff. Controlling bandwidth on portable devices Charging for bandwidth is the what they want and how they plan to raise their prices. Ive had an unlimited plan forever, and I feel this is one of the steps. Its sad, really, and once ATT (which I HATE) had real competition, we will see something happen.

By: Antinous / Moderator

Antinous / Moderator — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:36:00 +0000

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By: Michael Langford

Michael Langford — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:26:00 +0000

I’m not going to be surprised if this counts as a substantial change to the contract, and get’s everyone out of their contract in time for a nice, network independent, iPhone 5 on Verizon or Sprint.

By: Dave Shevett

Dave Shevett — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:26:00 +0000

What part of “it will block FaceTime on its networks ” are you missing here? Do you need it spelled out in full detail?

By: Ryan_T_H

Ryan_T_H — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:22:00 +0000

And it’s freely available on other networks around the world. In fact, just about all the ‘optional’ iPhone features are automatically included most places. For example in Canada any data plan large enough to bother (500mb/1gb+) automatically includes tethering.

By: Marc45

Marc45 — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:18:00 +0000

True in a limited sense.

By: EH

EH — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:15:00 +0000

Actually, it is the case. You have to pay for a special plan feature in order to unblock it.

By: Marc45

Marc45 — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:11:00 +0000

Why does this post say “AT&T will block facetime” when that’s not the case at all?

You guys don’t need to troll for readers. Boing Boing is one of my favorite sites!