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	<title>Comments on: A mandatory $180 art school textbook about &quot;prehistory to 1800&quot; with no pictures, thanks to a lack of mysterious &quot;copyright&#160;clearances&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Crumpton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1536287</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Crumpton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; It will not serve as any kind of lasting visual reference.&quot;

Not true, it is a visual reference of the incompetence of bureaucracy, and possibly a evocative protest of copyright laws as well as maybe a work of conceptual art.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; It will not serve as any kind of lasting visual reference.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not true, it is a visual reference of the incompetence of bureaucracy, and possibly a evocative protest of copyright laws as well as maybe a work of conceptual art.</p>
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		<title>By: Courtney//Conrad</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1536156</link>
		<dc:creator>Courtney//Conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a student in this program. This book was written specifically for our course, with chapters organized to line up with lectures. So, this is the first and only edition. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a student in this program. This book was written specifically for our course, with chapters organized to line up with lectures. So, this is the first and only edition. </p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Stuart</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1536096</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> If any of my students did that, I&#039;d want them to at least send me copy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> If any of my students did that, I&#8217;d want them to at least send me copy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Erickson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535913</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Erickson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, come on.  You&#039;re saying college students aren&#039;t smart enough to slab some stickers and cardboard around a stack of laser-printer paper?  Or fake a receipt and a back injury?

Well, okay, maybe you&#039;re right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, come on.  You&#8217;re saying college students aren&#8217;t smart enough to slab some stickers and cardboard around a stack of laser-printer paper?  Or fake a receipt and a back injury?</p>
<p>Well, okay, maybe you&#8217;re right.</p>
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		<title>By: msbpodcast</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535706</link>
		<dc:creator>msbpodcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Claim that you have copy and that it reminds you of &lt;i&gt;buying Playboy to &lt;b&gt;read&lt;/b&gt; the articles&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claim that you have copy and that it reminds you of <i>buying Playboy to <b>read</b> the articles</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: TwilightNewsSite</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535638</link>
		<dc:creator>TwilightNewsSite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 05:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m quite certain that Cory is aware of those copyright issues.


I suspect that he thinks they are utterly ridiculous.  As, indeed, they are.  

I believe a few years ago, though, that several major British museums announced they would no longer pursue copyright on their art, which included modern pieces within the &quot;death of artist + 70 years&quot; rule?  So why not include those British-held artworks in the textbook?  Or did they later do away with their largesse?

Perhaps some other BB readers will enlighten us on these issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m quite certain that Cory is aware of those copyright issues.</p>
<p>I suspect that he thinks they are utterly ridiculous.  As, indeed, they are.  </p>
<p>I believe a few years ago, though, that several major British museums announced they would no longer pursue copyright on their art, which included modern pieces within the &#8220;death of artist + 70 years&#8221; rule?  So why not include those British-held artworks in the textbook?  Or did they later do away with their largesse?</p>
<p>Perhaps some other BB readers will enlighten us on these issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535590</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 03:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask your students to bring it to class, then drop them if they don&#039;t.  Most professors would be horrified, but schools are starting to look for protection money alternate revenue streams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ask your students to bring it to class, then drop them if they don&#8217;t.  Most professors would be horrified, but schools are starting to look for protection money alternate revenue streams.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Erickson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535580</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Erickson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 03:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an honest-to-Pete bona fide card-carrying college perfessor, I have to ask: How the hell do you enforce buying a textbook?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an honest-to-Pete bona fide card-carrying college perfessor, I have to ask: How the hell do you enforce buying a textbook?</p>
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		<title>By: Caleigh Cathleen Morren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caleigh Cathleen Morren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 03:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not this one</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not this one</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535570</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 03:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some colleges enforce it now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some colleges enforce it now.</p>
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		<title>By: etherist</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535558</link>
		<dc:creator>etherist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 03:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the students are meant to sketch or paint their versions of the missing art on the blank pages? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the students are meant to sketch or paint their versions of the missing art on the blank pages? </p>
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		<title>By: Nunya Bidness</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535556</link>
		<dc:creator>Nunya Bidness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 03:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>um... just don&#039;t buy it and don&#039;t read it. I didn&#039;t but LOTS of the books I was required to read in college because I couldn&#039;t afford it. I never failed anything, and  went to a very good university. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>um&#8230; just don&#8217;t buy it and don&#8217;t read it. I didn&#8217;t but LOTS of the books I was required to read in college because I couldn&#8217;t afford it. I never failed anything, and  went to a very good university. </p>
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		<title>By: snagglepuss</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535513</link>
		<dc:creator>snagglepuss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 01:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might just be the most cynical artistic statement that I&#039;ve ever seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might just be the most cynical artistic statement that I&#8217;ve ever seen.</p>
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		<title>By: SamSam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535464</link>
		<dc:creator>SamSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 00:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TIL that when authors tell people what they do, apparently they say that they are &quot;artists.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TIL that when authors tell people what they do, apparently they say that they are &#8220;artists.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: herring</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535321</link>
		<dc:creator>herring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I smell media hoaxing related conceptual art project. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I smell media hoaxing related conceptual art project. </p>
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		<title>By: Ernest Valdemar</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535270</link>
		<dc:creator>Ernest Valdemar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> You misspelled &quot;Amerida.&quot;

http://youtu.be/gFueCN3r8SM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> You misspelled &#8220;Amerida.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://youtu.be/gFueCN3r8SM" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/gFueCN3r8SM</a></p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535263</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ll have plenty of time to do all that when your professor drops you from the class for not buying the required text.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ll have plenty of time to do all that when your professor drops you from the class for not buying the required text.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535245</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does last year&#039;s book extract more money from students?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does last year&#8217;s book extract more money from students?</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535221</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. I never realized Malevich was copying off pre-20th century painters. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. I never realized Malevich was copying off pre-20th century painters. </p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535218</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That depends on the nature of the book. If by &quot;textbook&quot; you mean a general reference book on a particular topic, a work of literature, or an anthology then, yes, the university library at the very least should have a copy of the book. 

However if we&#039;re talking about, say, a textbook that&#039;s used for a subject like introduction to calculus, or even an introduction to art history, it&#039;s unlikely the university library will purchase a copy of it. This is especially true for textbooks that publishers purposely update every few years, which is why the &quot;cash for textbooks&quot; guys usually won&#039;t touch &#039;em. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That depends on the nature of the book. If by &#8220;textbook&#8221; you mean a general reference book on a particular topic, a work of literature, or an anthology then, yes, the university library at the very least should have a copy of the book. </p>
<p>However if we&#8217;re talking about, say, a textbook that&#8217;s used for a subject like introduction to calculus, or even an introduction to art history, it&#8217;s unlikely the university library will purchase a copy of it. This is especially true for textbooks that publishers purposely update every few years, which is why the &#8220;cash for textbooks&#8221; guys usually won&#8217;t touch &#8216;em. </p>
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		<title>By: ImmutableMichael</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535217</link>
		<dc:creator>ImmutableMichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait - isn&#039;t that the score for 4&#039;33&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait &#8211; isn&#8217;t that the score for 4&#8217;33&#8243;?</p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535213</link>
		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because the school is the publisher and they want to get paid that much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because the school is the publisher and they want to get paid that much.</p>
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		<title>By: vonbobo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535212</link>
		<dc:creator>vonbobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, you are correct! The college is selling the right product to the wrong consumer! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, you are correct! The college is selling the right product to the wrong consumer! </p>
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		<title>By: Antonio Carrasco</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535200</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonio Carrasco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the paintings are all white on white, you big dummy!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the paintings are all white on white, you big dummy!</p>
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		<title>By: Walker Shurlds</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535186</link>
		<dc:creator>Walker Shurlds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am attempting this this semester. All of my books are 4+ editions older than the ones demanded on the syllabus. Sometime in the next week I&#039;m getting my first homework back, and I will empirically determine if the problems are the same or not by looking at my grade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am attempting this this semester. All of my books are 4+ editions older than the ones demanded on the syllabus. Sometime in the next week I&#8217;m getting my first homework back, and I will empirically determine if the problems are the same or not by looking at my grade.</p>
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		<title>By: GregS</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535184</link>
		<dc:creator>GregS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 18:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously this &quot;textbook&quot; is actually a work of postmodern art, a radical reinterpretation of what an &quot;art textbook&quot; is. What could be more postmodern than an art textbook without any art in it? And the students being forced to &quot;buy&quot; the book are clearly part of a performance art piece and the $180 is merely a very reasonable fee for what will undoubtedly be a valuable investment in the art market of the future.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously this &#8220;textbook&#8221; is actually a work of postmodern art, a radical reinterpretation of what an &#8220;art textbook&#8221; is. What could be more postmodern than an art textbook without any art in it? And the students being forced to &#8220;buy&#8221; the book are clearly part of a performance art piece and the $180 is merely a very reasonable fee for what will undoubtedly be a valuable investment in the art market of the future.</p>
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		<title>By: jerwin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535138</link>
		<dc:creator>jerwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 18:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I was an art school student, I wouldn&#039;t mind paying (a smallish) premium for my textbook, if I knew that the colors were more accurate, the pages were bigger, and so on. A lecture on Gaugain&#039;s use of color can&#039;t be illustrated by black and white images. 

Similarly, such content challenges the limits of black and white copy machines.

But, to charge for the glossy hiqh quality paper stock, the color, the large page size, the high quality binding and not use them for what they were intended to reproduce is just absurd.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I was an art school student, I wouldn&#8217;t mind paying (a smallish) premium for my textbook, if I knew that the colors were more accurate, the pages were bigger, and so on. A lecture on Gaugain&#8217;s use of color can&#8217;t be illustrated by black and white images. </p>
<p>Similarly, such content challenges the limits of black and white copy machines.</p>
<p>But, to charge for the glossy hiqh quality paper stock, the color, the large page size, the high quality binding and not use them for what they were intended to reproduce is just absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister44</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535112</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They missed an opportunity to bilk students out of more money. They should have left blank spots for the missing pictures. Then they could sell &quot;Art from Pre-1800 Stickers&quot; in packs of 10. Collect all  2387 to complete your book!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They missed an opportunity to bilk students out of more money. They should have left blank spots for the missing pictures. Then they could sell &#8220;Art from Pre-1800 Stickers&#8221; in packs of 10. Collect all  2387 to complete your book!</p>
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		<title>By: Funk Daddy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535108</link>
		<dc:creator>Funk Daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is lame that they couldn&#039;t work out their work before publication, but since they failed to do that and one of the excuses given for the stupid high cost of such texts is payments for license to publish owned works, WHY in hell should they price remain $180?

That&#039;s blatantly pulling at the student short hairs when what is on display is their own incompetence negotiating or substituting. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is lame that they couldn&#8217;t work out their work before publication, but since they failed to do that and one of the excuses given for the stupid high cost of such texts is payments for license to publish owned works, WHY in hell should they price remain $180?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s blatantly pulling at the student short hairs when what is on display is their own incompetence negotiating or substituting. </p>
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		<title>By: Funk Daddy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/18/a-mandatory-180-art-school-te.html#comment-1535094</link>
		<dc:creator>Funk Daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Done this, feels good, but these days it would be more fun to put a small team together, assign chapters and pdf that bitch. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Done this, feels good, but these days it would be more fun to put a small team together, assign chapters and pdf that bitch. </p>
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