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	<title>Comments on: The Science and tragedy of &quot;Bath&#160;Salts&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: Raita</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/21/the-science-and-tragedy-of-b.html#comment-1541920</link>
		<dc:creator>Raita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 07:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re correct. The zombie joke is funny, but most people seem to forget that &quot;bath salts&quot; had nothing to do with that case.

I&#039;ve done these &quot;bath salts&quot; (MDPV and mephedrone) a few times. I didn&#039;t take them because I have no access to other drugs (they&#039;ve never even been sold in stores where I live); I&#039;ve taken a wide variety of drugs, everything from your basic MDMA, ketamine and coke to things like 5-MeO-DMT and methoxetamine. The thing is, as shitty as the media makes these drugs seem like, a lot of people really do like them. I personally didn&#039;t care for mephedrone and thought that MDPV was alright, but I know several people, long-time users, who have just outright named MDPV as the best drug out there and started using it regularly. So it is not just a fad among stupid, desperate teens.

As for whether MDPV is truly more dangerous than other, similar stimulants.. I don&#039;t know. Drug-induced psychosis is not uncommon and it&#039;s usually triggered when people binge on stimulants and then stay awake for days. It&#039;s possible that these &quot;bath salts&quot; just seem more dangerous because they are new, mysterious and make the headlines much easier than meth or coke, which are old news. I&#039;m not denying the possibility that MDPV (or mephredone, for that matter) could cause some actual damage though, but I&#039;m not going to draw any conclusions before actual studies are done. One thing is certain, though; MDPV is highly addictive.

The thing is, there is a whole world of so called &quot;designer drugs&quot; out there, mostly stimulants and psychedelics. They&#039;re all different and all work differently; just because they are new doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;re automatically shit. If only they weren&#039;t instantly banned so we could actually learn how they work. Some of them are certainly dangerous, but many could be safer alternatives to the drugs we already know (like methoxetamine to ketamine). Now it&#039;s up to the users to be the guinea pigs. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re correct. The zombie joke is funny, but most people seem to forget that &#8220;bath salts&#8221; had nothing to do with that case.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done these &#8220;bath salts&#8221; (MDPV and mephedrone) a few times. I didn&#8217;t take them because I have no access to other drugs (they&#8217;ve never even been sold in stores where I live); I&#8217;ve taken a wide variety of drugs, everything from your basic MDMA, ketamine and coke to things like 5-MeO-DMT and methoxetamine. The thing is, as shitty as the media makes these drugs seem like, a lot of people really do like them. I personally didn&#8217;t care for mephedrone and thought that MDPV was alright, but I know several people, long-time users, who have just outright named MDPV as the best drug out there and started using it regularly. So it is not just a fad among stupid, desperate teens.</p>
<p>As for whether MDPV is truly more dangerous than other, similar stimulants.. I don&#8217;t know. Drug-induced psychosis is not uncommon and it&#8217;s usually triggered when people binge on stimulants and then stay awake for days. It&#8217;s possible that these &#8220;bath salts&#8221; just seem more dangerous because they are new, mysterious and make the headlines much easier than meth or coke, which are old news. I&#8217;m not denying the possibility that MDPV (or mephredone, for that matter) could cause some actual damage though, but I&#8217;m not going to draw any conclusions before actual studies are done. One thing is certain, though; MDPV is highly addictive.</p>
<p>The thing is, there is a whole world of so called &#8220;designer drugs&#8221; out there, mostly stimulants and psychedelics. They&#8217;re all different and all work differently; just because they are new doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re automatically shit. If only they weren&#8217;t instantly banned so we could actually learn how they work. Some of them are certainly dangerous, but many could be safer alternatives to the drugs we already know (like methoxetamine to ketamine). Now it&#8217;s up to the users to be the guinea pigs. </p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Cech</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/21/the-science-and-tragedy-of-b.html#comment-1541237</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Cech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Attention... The National Geographic company produced a 2 Season Documentary called Drugs Inc.
The final episode is called Designer Drugs... It give a much better account then this report and introduces you to the orginators of this &quot;drug craze&quot; who invented a &quot;safe&quot; drug which was regulated to what we have toady. 
PLEASE WATCH DRUGS INC. EVERYONE.... Great facts... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attention&#8230; The National Geographic company produced a 2 Season Documentary called Drugs Inc.<br />
The final episode is called Designer Drugs&#8230; It give a much better account then this report and introduces you to the orginators of this &#8220;drug craze&#8221; who invented a &#8220;safe&#8221; drug which was regulated to what we have toady.<br />
PLEASE WATCH DRUGS INC. EVERYONE&#8230;. Great facts&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: pdffs</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/21/the-science-and-tragedy-of-b.html#comment-1540301</link>
		<dc:creator>pdffs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 23:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Lex!</description>
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		<title>By: Jen Onymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/21/the-science-and-tragedy-of-b.html#comment-1540208</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen Onymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 22:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I hate Radio Shack, but they sell these for small soldering jobs and creme brulle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I hate Radio Shack, but they sell these for small soldering jobs and creme brulle.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Onymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/21/the-science-and-tragedy-of-b.html#comment-1540207</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen Onymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 22:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I&#039;m still waiting for an out-of-town undercover officer on vacation from a Red State to kick in the windows of a Caswell-Massey shop in Manhattan and try to bust the entire staff for posession...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I&#8217;m still waiting for an out-of-town undercover officer on vacation from a Red State to kick in the windows of a Caswell-Massey shop in Manhattan and try to bust the entire staff for posession&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Onymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/21/the-science-and-tragedy-of-b.html#comment-1540205</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen Onymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 22:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> No, cake specifically targets the fat cells of the human body, especially those around the stomach, buttocks, and thighs.  It is insidiously packaged in delicious varieties such as chocolate, vanilla, lemon, and in an especially sneaky form emerging from the American South, Red Velvet.  

Cake is so addictive that eating just one high-grade slice of cake can lead to the urge to eat the entire cake, leading to feelings of bloatedness and sleepiness.

Lately, cake dealers have been targeting children in a new campaign by increasing their supply of  miniature cakes, known as &quot;cupcakes&quot; (or &quot;fairy cakes&quot; in the UK).  This especially harmful form of cake has a higher frosting-to-dough ratio, making  them even more addictive than the full-sized item.  Also, as a standard &quot;hit&quot; is generally one cake, truly addicted users may lose track of how many cupcakes they have eaten.  Additionally, as vendors of cupcakes can carry many different varieties (or &quot;flavors&quot; in street parlance), a user may be tempted to try all the varieties available, leading to cake OD faster than if presented with a single-variety whole cake.

Stop this menace now, just say NO to cake!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> No, cake specifically targets the fat cells of the human body, especially those around the stomach, buttocks, and thighs.  It is insidiously packaged in delicious varieties such as chocolate, vanilla, lemon, and in an especially sneaky form emerging from the American South, Red Velvet.  </p>
<p>Cake is so addictive that eating just one high-grade slice of cake can lead to the urge to eat the entire cake, leading to feelings of bloatedness and sleepiness.</p>
<p>Lately, cake dealers have been targeting children in a new campaign by increasing their supply of  miniature cakes, known as &#8220;cupcakes&#8221; (or &#8220;fairy cakes&#8221; in the UK).  This especially harmful form of cake has a higher frosting-to-dough ratio, making  them even more addictive than the full-sized item.  Also, as a standard &#8220;hit&#8221; is generally one cake, truly addicted users may lose track of how many cupcakes they have eaten.  Additionally, as vendors of cupcakes can carry many different varieties (or &#8220;flavors&#8221; in street parlance), a user may be tempted to try all the varieties available, leading to cake OD faster than if presented with a single-variety whole cake.</p>
<p>Stop this menace now, just say NO to cake!</p>
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		<title>By: entheo</title>
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		<dc:creator>entheo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 12:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The behind the Scenes of Dark Dungeon for you &amp; Nadreck
http://www.theescapist.com/random020209.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The behind the Scenes of Dark Dungeon for you &amp; Nadreck<br />
<a href="http://www.theescapist.com/random020209.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.theescapist.com/random020209.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: takurospirit</title>
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		<dc:creator>takurospirit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I&#039;ve smoked a lot of pot  in my years (though none in the last five or so), taken Ecstasy, and tried LSD twice. The only drug that had a lasting effect on me was one prescribed by a doctor. Paxil. I took my last pill sometime in 2004 and still have something I now realize might be Tardive dyskinesias. I took the drug for about one year. Now I have an involuntary facial tick that gets worse with stress and as it&#039;s been 8 years now, has no signs of subsiding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I&#8217;ve smoked a lot of pot  in my years (though none in the last five or so), taken Ecstasy, and tried LSD twice. The only drug that had a lasting effect on me was one prescribed by a doctor. Paxil. I took my last pill sometime in 2004 and still have something I now realize might be Tardive dyskinesias. I took the drug for about one year. Now I have an involuntary facial tick that gets worse with stress and as it&#8217;s been 8 years now, has no signs of subsiding.</p>
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		<title>By: Sagodjur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sagodjur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those Chick tracts are one of the biggest pet peeves of my conservative Christian upbringing. 

The absurdity is that Chick tracts pretend that witchcraft and magic are real and thus real threats. The reality is that American teenagers&#039; experience with &quot;magic&quot; is largely industrially mass produced Lord of the Rings tarot cards and the Celtic teen witch&#039;s guide to love spells for high school crushes and light as a feather stiff as a board. If magic were real, more people would be publicly into it instead of these teenagers growing up into 35 year old World of Warcraft players with full time jobs in the tech industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those Chick tracts are one of the biggest pet peeves of my conservative Christian upbringing. </p>
<p>The absurdity is that Chick tracts pretend that witchcraft and magic are real and thus real threats. The reality is that American teenagers&#8217; experience with &#8220;magic&#8221; is largely industrially mass produced Lord of the Rings tarot cards and the Celtic teen witch&#8217;s guide to love spells for high school crushes and light as a feather stiff as a board. If magic were real, more people would be publicly into it instead of these teenagers growing up into 35 year old World of Warcraft players with full time jobs in the tech industry.</p>
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		<title>By: LightningRose</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/21/the-science-and-tragedy-of-b.html#comment-1538771</link>
		<dc:creator>LightningRose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> The lighter I had was probably a little too small for soldering, and way too small for creme brule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> The lighter I had was probably a little too small for soldering, and way too small for creme brule.</p>
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		<title>By: LightningRose</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/21/the-science-and-tragedy-of-b.html#comment-1538769</link>
		<dc:creator>LightningRose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> For lighting candles, I like butane bar-b-q lighters, available just about anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> For lighting candles, I like butane bar-b-q lighters, available just about anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Nadreck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/21/the-science-and-tragedy-of-b.html#comment-1538719</link>
		<dc:creator>Nadreck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 12:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.ASP

Proof positive of the dangers of D&amp;D!!</description>
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<p>Proof positive of the dangers of D&amp;D!!</p>
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		<title>By: Dlo Burns</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/21/the-science-and-tragedy-of-b.html#comment-1538718</link>
		<dc:creator>Dlo Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 12:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad there&#039;s a kaibosh on research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad there&#8217;s a kaibosh on research.</p>
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		<title>By: Dlo Burns</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/21/the-science-and-tragedy-of-b.html#comment-1538711</link>
		<dc:creator>Dlo Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 12:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve eaten MREs, so challenge accepted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve eaten MREs, so challenge accepted.</p>
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		<title>By: Dlo Burns</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/21/the-science-and-tragedy-of-b.html#comment-1538710</link>
		<dc:creator>Dlo Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 12:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got one at home despot for soldering </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got one at home despot for soldering </p>
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		<title>By: surreality</title>
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		<dc:creator>surreality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 02:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Seriously. That&#039;s what bothers me so much about those type of programs. They could still say smoking marijuana isn&#039;t good or healthy (debatable), or isn&#039;t legal (because it isn&#039;t), but the least they could do is give some scale. Like, smoking weed is not as bad as snorting a bunch of synthetic chemicals. He was so worried about a test for a nigh-harmless substance he turned to something else. Not to mention marijuana would show up but hey, maybe drugs that leave your urine/bloodstream faster, which are pretty much the harder ones, you could do! Ughh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Seriously. That&#8217;s what bothers me so much about those type of programs. They could still say smoking marijuana isn&#8217;t good or healthy (debatable), or isn&#8217;t legal (because it isn&#8217;t), but the least they could do is give some scale. Like, smoking weed is not as bad as snorting a bunch of synthetic chemicals. He was so worried about a test for a nigh-harmless substance he turned to something else. Not to mention marijuana would show up but hey, maybe drugs that leave your urine/bloodstream faster, which are pretty much the harder ones, you could do! Ughh.</p>
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		<title>By: Mantissa128</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mantissa128</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 00:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never let facts get in the way of a good policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never let facts get in the way of a good policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mantissa128</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mantissa128</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 00:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> This person understands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> This person understands.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Carley Oliver</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/21/the-science-and-tragedy-of-b.html#comment-1538476</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Carley Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 23:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dgarden&amp;field-keywords=cook%27s+torch&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cooks use them&lt;/a&gt; to melt sugar on creme brulee, quick sear meats, etc.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dgarden&amp;field-keywords=cook%27s+torch" rel="nofollow">Cooks use them</a> to melt sugar on creme brulee, quick sear meats, etc.  </p>
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		<title>By: ocker3</title>
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		<dc:creator>ocker3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 23:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought one of those in California in a hardware store, in a town with Very few if any meth-heads. I just thought it was a cool way of lighting candles, especially ones with sunken wicks. Now I can&#039;t find a replacement where I live. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought one of those in California in a hardware store, in a town with Very few if any meth-heads. I just thought it was a cool way of lighting candles, especially ones with sunken wicks. Now I can&#8217;t find a replacement where I live. </p>
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		<title>By: B E Pratt</title>
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		<dc:creator>B E Pratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 23:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Yes, but have you ever actually tried to eat peyote? It is incredibly vile tasting and apparently you also have to eat enough of it to vomit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Yes, but have you ever actually tried to eat peyote? It is incredibly vile tasting and apparently you also have to eat enough of it to vomit.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex Pelger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex Pelger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 23:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my article on the history, biochemistry and anecdotes of use on the synthetic cathinones (ie: bath salts):
http://altvariety.com/cathinones-please-dont-call-them-bath-salts/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my article on the history, biochemistry and anecdotes of use on the synthetic cathinones (ie: bath salts):<br />
<a href="http://altvariety.com/cathinones-please-dont-call-them-bath-salts/" rel="nofollow">http://altvariety.com/cathinones-please-dont-call-them-bath-salts/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Pottol</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/21/the-science-and-tragedy-of-b.html#comment-1538452</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronald Pottol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 23:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Studies have shown that DARE makes it more likely that kids will use drugs, but it keeps going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Studies have shown that DARE makes it more likely that kids will use drugs, but it keeps going.</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert Wham</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/21/the-science-and-tragedy-of-b.html#comment-1538309</link>
		<dc:creator>Gilbert Wham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> There&#039;s plenty of shonky suppliers from China (viz. Eric Chang), selling whatever they like as whatever they want it to be. I&#039;ve had (real) Naphyrone, and wouldn&#039;t wish it on my worst enemy. It&#039;s the kind of shit suited to nothing but torturing prisoners. Hideous substance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> There&#8217;s plenty of shonky suppliers from China (viz. Eric Chang), selling whatever they like as whatever they want it to be. I&#8217;ve had (real) Naphyrone, and wouldn&#8217;t wish it on my worst enemy. It&#8217;s the kind of shit suited to nothing but torturing prisoners. Hideous substance.</p>
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		<title>By: gehringer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/21/the-science-and-tragedy-of-b.html#comment-1538284</link>
		<dc:creator>gehringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Rational drug policy would be letting the commu-I mean Terrorists win!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Rational drug policy would be letting the commu-I mean Terrorists win!</p>
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		<title>By: chenille</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/21/the-science-and-tragedy-of-b.html#comment-1538222</link>
		<dc:creator>chenille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 19:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oddly they show a molecule that is in no way like methylenedioxypyrovalerone - it doesn&#039;t even have the oxygen or the carbon chain. I guess it&#039;s just meant to be a divider, not illustration, but it seems confusing for an article that talks about its shape!

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tradevv.com/chinasuppliers/finecnchem_p_143c85/china-Methylenedioxypyrovalerone-MDPV.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;internet&lt;/a&gt; offers this instead:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly they show a molecule that is in no way like methylenedioxypyrovalerone &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t even have the oxygen or the carbon chain. I guess it&#8217;s just meant to be a divider, not illustration, but it seems confusing for an article that talks about its shape!</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.tradevv.com/chinasuppliers/finecnchem_p_143c85/china-Methylenedioxypyrovalerone-MDPV.html" rel="nofollow">internet</a> offers this instead:</p>
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		<title>By: ldobe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/21/the-science-and-tragedy-of-b.html#comment-1538211</link>
		<dc:creator>ldobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 19:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting... I&#039;d agree with you on principle, but my own anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise.

All the users I know understand and differentiate between classes and risk. They all seem to agree drugs like ketamine, crack, PCP, GHB, meth in any form, and the club varieties of Ecstasy are very dangerous, and can do a lot of damage immediately. They have a high risk profile. They also know drugs like heroin, regular coke and benzos are a bit safer, but still have their own risks, and potential for addiction, as well as disease transmission.

And everyone knows weed has very little inherent danger, but can cause or exacerbate emotional problems too.

Maybe it&#039;s a function of familiarity and experience. It seems logical that training people to ignore obvious fear mongering causes them to take worse chances with unfamiliar drugs. But I don&#039;t see it happening with people I know. They all seem to know the potential for harm, but sometimes take chances anyway, for whatever reasons.  usually addictive personality types who can&#039;t stand being sober.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting&#8230; I&#8217;d agree with you on principle, but my own anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise.</p>
<p>All the users I know understand and differentiate between classes and risk. They all seem to agree drugs like ketamine, crack, PCP, GHB, meth in any form, and the club varieties of Ecstasy are very dangerous, and can do a lot of damage immediately. They have a high risk profile. They also know drugs like heroin, regular coke and benzos are a bit safer, but still have their own risks, and potential for addiction, as well as disease transmission.</p>
<p>And everyone knows weed has very little inherent danger, but can cause or exacerbate emotional problems too.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s a function of familiarity and experience. It seems logical that training people to ignore obvious fear mongering causes them to take worse chances with unfamiliar drugs. But I don&#8217;t see it happening with people I know. They all seem to know the potential for harm, but sometimes take chances anyway, for whatever reasons.  usually addictive personality types who can&#8217;t stand being sober.</p>
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		<title>By: Sagodjur</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/21/the-science-and-tragedy-of-b.html#comment-1538202</link>
		<dc:creator>Sagodjur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 18:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was she confusing DARE with Dungeons and Dragons?

I never understood the cognitive dissonance of the moral prohibition against role-playing something that isn&#039;t real like magic spells and mythical creatures when playing actual aggressive, violent sports is strongly encouraged as a healthy alternative.

It&#039;s a moral crisis to pretend to kill fictional creatures with &quot;evil&quot; magic but it&#039;s okay to actively try to take off someone&#039;s head in the name of sportsmanship. You can even get a free ride in college for it!

If I were to ever get rich, I&#039;d start a scholarship program for role-playing and game-makers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was she confusing DARE with Dungeons and Dragons?</p>
<p>I never understood the cognitive dissonance of the moral prohibition against role-playing something that isn&#8217;t real like magic spells and mythical creatures when playing actual aggressive, violent sports is strongly encouraged as a healthy alternative.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a moral crisis to pretend to kill fictional creatures with &#8220;evil&#8221; magic but it&#8217;s okay to actively try to take off someone&#8217;s head in the name of sportsmanship. You can even get a free ride in college for it!</p>
<p>If I were to ever get rich, I&#8217;d start a scholarship program for role-playing and game-makers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Fisher</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/21/the-science-and-tragedy-of-b.html#comment-1538195</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 18:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the problem stems not from the fact that this stuff is legal but that its manufacturers assume it won&#039;t be for long.  With this in mind they avoid labeling its contents, they change ingredients or dosage without changing packaging, and the result is the same crapshoot one normally expects with street drugs.  A quick scan through the relevant message boards shows that MDPV has been available for quite some time in the &quot;research chemical&quot; community, except these users purchased directly from labs who were careful about quantity, purity, etc.  And there don&#039;t seem to be any reports of mass psychosis among the crowd who experimented with it knowing what constituted a reasonable dose.  True, these folks pride themselves on a patina of scientific rigor unlikely to be found in someone&#039;s black-light basement, but it does provide evidence that knowledge is always a good thing.

While the article is a little unclear (the quoted researcher doesn&#039;t claim MDPV causes any kind of &quot;permanent&quot; state but the article seems to) reading between the lines I think the problem might be dosage.  If  the contents of a package can range from 50 to 2000 mg surely this explains the wide range of reported effects.  Imagine if a single light beer could contain anything from 1% alcohol to 80% alcohol - in this context beer would have to be labeled &quot;The unpredictable scourge that causes no more than a slight euphoria in some, but instant death in others!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the problem stems not from the fact that this stuff is legal but that its manufacturers assume it won&#8217;t be for long.  With this in mind they avoid labeling its contents, they change ingredients or dosage without changing packaging, and the result is the same crapshoot one normally expects with street drugs.  A quick scan through the relevant message boards shows that MDPV has been available for quite some time in the &#8220;research chemical&#8221; community, except these users purchased directly from labs who were careful about quantity, purity, etc.  And there don&#8217;t seem to be any reports of mass psychosis among the crowd who experimented with it knowing what constituted a reasonable dose.  True, these folks pride themselves on a patina of scientific rigor unlikely to be found in someone&#8217;s black-light basement, but it does provide evidence that knowledge is always a good thing.</p>
<p>While the article is a little unclear (the quoted researcher doesn&#8217;t claim MDPV causes any kind of &#8220;permanent&#8221; state but the article seems to) reading between the lines I think the problem might be dosage.  If  the contents of a package can range from 50 to 2000 mg surely this explains the wide range of reported effects.  Imagine if a single light beer could contain anything from 1% alcohol to 80% alcohol &#8211; in this context beer would have to be labeled &#8220;The unpredictable scourge that causes no more than a slight euphoria in some, but instant death in others!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Hornby</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/21/the-science-and-tragedy-of-b.html#comment-1538194</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Hornby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 18:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I especially don&#039;t like the FRANK ads because they&#039;re done quite well - by a decent ad agency. They&#039;re not the typical stiff approach and so are far more approachable, and ultimately, influential. Only so much harm can be done by over reaching with fear, but its still unpleasant propaganda.

Off to check out the scientologist approach now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I especially don&#8217;t like the FRANK ads because they&#8217;re done quite well &#8211; by a decent ad agency. They&#8217;re not the typical stiff approach and so are far more approachable, and ultimately, influential. Only so much harm can be done by over reaching with fear, but its still unpleasant propaganda.</p>
<p>Off to check out the scientologist approach now!</p>
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