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	<title>Comments on: Cyclists are safe and courteous, and your disdain for them is grounded in cognitive&#160;bias</title>
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		<title>By: Nathan E. Milos</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1547630</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan E. Milos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 06:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Davis, Ca -- birthplace of the bike lane -- bicyclists just don&#039;t like to stop at stop signs.  Granted the vast majority are inexperienced students.  They aren&#039;t particularly aggressive.  But running redlights and stop signs is certainly dangerous. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Davis, Ca &#8212; birthplace of the bike lane &#8212; bicyclists just don&#8217;t like to stop at stop signs.  Granted the vast majority are inexperienced students.  They aren&#8217;t particularly aggressive.  But running redlights and stop signs is certainly dangerous. </p>
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		<title>By: $16781674</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1545239</link>
		<dc:creator>$16781674</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 15:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think on the whole drivers are more dangerous than cyclists ever were, or are. I&#039;m a defensive and well seasoned cyclist (of both urban and touring), I also drive, and the sh*t I see motorists pull in cities is mind boggling, and ridiculous. And don&#039;t even get me started on cabbies...they are the absolute worse arses on the road. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think on the whole drivers are more dangerous than cyclists ever were, or are. I&#8217;m a defensive and well seasoned cyclist (of both urban and touring), I also drive, and the sh*t I see motorists pull in cities is mind boggling, and ridiculous. And don&#8217;t even get me started on cabbies&#8230;they are the absolute worse arses on the road. </p>
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		<title>By: Walter Dexter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter Dexter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 03:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to admit I yelled at some cyclists about 10 days ago while driving.

Was waiting at a red light. A crowd (a dozen or more) cyclists - lycra shorts, jerseys, helmets - in other words, serious cyclists - came up behind me. OK, no problem, right?

Wrong. One of them decided that it was time to go, despite the red, yelled something about &quot;let&#039;s go&quot; and this swarm of bikes passed me - on both sides - and proceeded to cross then turn right on a frontage road. As about half of them got in front of me, the light changed.

So I&#039;m stuck with cyclists everywhere, trying to not run any of them over and yet still make it across the intersection before the extremely short light changed back to red. So i rolled down my window and yelled at them, something about either being proper vehicles or not.

I&#039;m always very careful of these guys. On one of the routes I take a few times a week, there are always at least one or two around somewhere. No idea why, but there are. All I ask is that they use some sense, some courtesy, and follow the damn traffic laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to admit I yelled at some cyclists about 10 days ago while driving.</p>
<p>Was waiting at a red light. A crowd (a dozen or more) cyclists &#8211; lycra shorts, jerseys, helmets &#8211; in other words, serious cyclists &#8211; came up behind me. OK, no problem, right?</p>
<p>Wrong. One of them decided that it was time to go, despite the red, yelled something about &#8220;let&#8217;s go&#8221; and this swarm of bikes passed me &#8211; on both sides &#8211; and proceeded to cross then turn right on a frontage road. As about half of them got in front of me, the light changed.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m stuck with cyclists everywhere, trying to not run any of them over and yet still make it across the intersection before the extremely short light changed back to red. So i rolled down my window and yelled at them, something about either being proper vehicles or not.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m always very careful of these guys. On one of the routes I take a few times a week, there are always at least one or two around somewhere. No idea why, but there are. All I ask is that they use some sense, some courtesy, and follow the damn traffic laws.</p>
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		<title>By: IronEdithKidd</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1544453</link>
		<dc:creator>IronEdithKidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 23:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think she may have been refering to the bikes commonly refered to as &quot;crotch rockets&quot;.  My experience with riders of those bikes is that they will weave in and out of traffic at speeds that would make Dale Earnhart Jr blush.  The exception is the biker going at posted speed.  BTW, I have no idea if I spelled &quot;Earnhart&quot; correctly.  They drive in circles, I have no interest in watching that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think she may have been refering to the bikes commonly refered to as &#8220;crotch rockets&#8221;.  My experience with riders of those bikes is that they will weave in and out of traffic at speeds that would make Dale Earnhart Jr blush.  The exception is the biker going at posted speed.  BTW, I have no idea if I spelled &#8220;Earnhart&#8221; correctly.  They drive in circles, I have no interest in watching that.</p>
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		<title>By: evets32</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1544394</link>
		<dc:creator>evets32</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 21:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may have been a little obtuse about it.  The point was to refute KC Debi&#039;s assertion that &quot;Most probably obey traffic laws...&quot;  Sounds like your experience backs me up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may have been a little obtuse about it.  The point was to refute KC Debi&#8217;s assertion that &#8220;Most probably obey traffic laws&#8230;&#8221;  Sounds like your experience backs me up.</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha Casey</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1544195</link>
		<dc:creator>Samantha Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drivers? I&#039;m not driving my car on the sidewalk; just riding my bike along the streets with no bike lanes. Where it&#039;s safer and perfectly legal in my city. I&#039;d rather risk potentially irking a few pedestrians than certainly pissing off people operating 2 ton machines that could kill me with no effort because I can&#039;t possibly hope to match their speed. But thanks for the condescension.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drivers? I&#8217;m not driving my car on the sidewalk; just riding my bike along the streets with no bike lanes. Where it&#8217;s safer and perfectly legal in my city. I&#8217;d rather risk potentially irking a few pedestrians than certainly pissing off people operating 2 ton machines that could kill me with no effort because I can&#8217;t possibly hope to match their speed. But thanks for the condescension.</p>
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		<title>By: BillStewart2012</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1543863</link>
		<dc:creator>BillStewart2012</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 06:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I normally ride my bike safely and politely.  However, if driver harass me, I&#039;ll opt for safety over politeness, and if they think I&#039;m being an asshole by taking the middle of the lane instead of staying on the right where they might get a chance to pass me, and not only stopping at stop signs but turning around and yelling at them to back off when they honk, well tough for them.  And one of the times I&#039;ve been assaulted while biking I had just done that - the kid in the back seat threw a full cup of soda at me.  I probably should have reported them to the police, but dealing with San Francisco police is at best an effort in futility.  (Other times I&#039;ve been assaulted have been the usual yahoos in a pickup truck throwing beer bottles as they went past (missed), without them even having to slow down behind me.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I normally ride my bike safely and politely.  However, if driver harass me, I&#8217;ll opt for safety over politeness, and if they think I&#8217;m being an asshole by taking the middle of the lane instead of staying on the right where they might get a chance to pass me, and not only stopping at stop signs but turning around and yelling at them to back off when they honk, well tough for them.  And one of the times I&#8217;ve been assaulted while biking I had just done that &#8211; the kid in the back seat threw a full cup of soda at me.  I probably should have reported them to the police, but dealing with San Francisco police is at best an effort in futility.  (Other times I&#8217;ve been assaulted have been the usual yahoos in a pickup truck throwing beer bottles as they went past (missed), without them even having to slow down behind me.)</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Nelson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1542830</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 03:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if I hit someone riding their bike on a sidewalk someday.  I&#039;m a careful driver, and always try to give special attention to bikes, but when making a turn, a bike travelling in the same direction as a car is almost invisible until they cross the road and end up under your tires.  Scary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if I hit someone riding their bike on a sidewalk someday.  I&#8217;m a careful driver, and always try to give special attention to bikes, but when making a turn, a bike travelling in the same direction as a car is almost invisible until they cross the road and end up under your tires.  Scary</p>
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		<title>By: Allana Mayer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1542817</link>
		<dc:creator>Allana Mayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 02:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We ride in the middle of the lanes for safety. It means &quot;Don&#039;t pass me inside this lane; it&#039;s not safe.&quot; We&#039;re not doing it to piss you off. If you&#039;re pissed off, you shouldn&#039;t be driving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We ride in the middle of the lanes for safety. It means &#8220;Don&#8217;t pass me inside this lane; it&#8217;s not safe.&#8221; We&#8217;re not doing it to piss you off. If you&#8217;re pissed off, you shouldn&#8217;t be driving.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1542810</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 02:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> The vast majority of bikes I see on sidewalks are kids, like under 12 (so not even teens). I would much prefer them on the sidewalk than in the street. I would love to be able to cycle as transportation but I gave up on it due to abusive drivers. Not aggressive drivers but actually abusive drivers, the type of yell at cyclists, throw things, even deliberately driver closer to pass than needed (by that I mean actually swerving into the bike or parking lane to freak out the cyclist). Sure some cyclists bike aggressively and disobey the law, and that is not okay, but they aren&#039;t driving 2 ton vehicles that can kill a cyclist even at fairly low speeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> The vast majority of bikes I see on sidewalks are kids, like under 12 (so not even teens). I would much prefer them on the sidewalk than in the street. I would love to be able to cycle as transportation but I gave up on it due to abusive drivers. Not aggressive drivers but actually abusive drivers, the type of yell at cyclists, throw things, even deliberately driver closer to pass than needed (by that I mean actually swerving into the bike or parking lane to freak out the cyclist). Sure some cyclists bike aggressively and disobey the law, and that is not okay, but they aren&#8217;t driving 2 ton vehicles that can kill a cyclist even at fairly low speeds.</p>
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		<title>By: Itsumishi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1542782</link>
		<dc:creator>Itsumishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 01:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sabeletodo:disqus Yeah, they should make cyclists pay things like  property taxes, or income taxes, or  Value Added / Goods and Services Taxes! 

That&#039;ll teach them to use the infrastructure they don&#039;t contribute to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sabeletodo:disqus Yeah, they should make cyclists pay things like  property taxes, or income taxes, or  Value Added / Goods and Services Taxes! </p>
<p>That&#8217;ll teach them to use the infrastructure they don&#8217;t contribute to.</p>
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		<title>By: Itsumishi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1542776</link>
		<dc:creator>Itsumishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 01:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This argument comes up in virtually every article about roads/cycling I&#039;ve ever read (as a planning student, focussing on transport I&#039;ve read a lot). Yet as far as I can tell, its not true pretty much anywhere. In the vast majority of cases; not even the majority, let alone the complete costs of roads are paid for through tolls,registration fees or petrol taxes. There is always external subsidisation from land taxes, or income taxes, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This argument comes up in virtually every article about roads/cycling I&#8217;ve ever read (as a planning student, focussing on transport I&#8217;ve read a lot). Yet as far as I can tell, its not true pretty much anywhere. In the vast majority of cases; not even the majority, let alone the complete costs of roads are paid for through tolls,registration fees or petrol taxes. There is always external subsidisation from land taxes, or income taxes, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Itsumishi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1542770</link>
		<dc:creator>Itsumishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 01:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s two scenarios, which is more likely to end in serious injury or death?

1) A busy 4 lane street with no bike infrastructure. Cars switching lanes, pulling into car parks, etc and traveling fairly fast say 60km/h (about 38m). In the middle of this is a cyclist who can&#039;t travel at nearly the same speed as the nearby cars.

2) The same cyclist riding on the nearby footpath which is wide, mainly empty and has crossing lights at all intersections.

Both situations could obviously end in injuries or death, but in the first situation it is far, far more likely to occur. This is when and why I ride on footpaths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s two scenarios, which is more likely to end in serious injury or death?</p>
<p>1) A busy 4 lane street with no bike infrastructure. Cars switching lanes, pulling into car parks, etc and traveling fairly fast say 60km/h (about 38m). In the middle of this is a cyclist who can&#8217;t travel at nearly the same speed as the nearby cars.</p>
<p>2) The same cyclist riding on the nearby footpath which is wide, mainly empty and has crossing lights at all intersections.</p>
<p>Both situations could obviously end in injuries or death, but in the first situation it is far, far more likely to occur. This is when and why I ride on footpaths.</p>
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		<title>By: Itsumishi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1542765</link>
		<dc:creator>Itsumishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 01:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know where you live, but in a lot of places where its illegal for most people to ride on the sidewalk/footpath it&#039;s still legal for children to. 

Personally, I want my kids riding bikes as much as possible, but I don&#039;t want them doing it on Melbourne roads where drivers often seem to be oblivious or very aggressive to cyclists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know where you live, but in a lot of places where its illegal for most people to ride on the sidewalk/footpath it&#8217;s still legal for children to. </p>
<p>Personally, I want my kids riding bikes as much as possible, but I don&#8217;t want them doing it on Melbourne roads where drivers often seem to be oblivious or very aggressive to cyclists.</p>
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		<title>By: retchdog</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1542752</link>
		<dc:creator>retchdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 01:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>amazing analysis… it literally made my hair stand on end. hope you&#039;re right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amazing analysis… it literally made my hair stand on end. hope you&#8217;re right.</p>
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		<title>By: pjcamp</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1542749</link>
		<dc:creator>pjcamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 01:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just two hours ago, I watched a cyclist run a red light in front of oncoming traffic. He held up his hand to assert his right to cross in front of people who had the green.

And no, the light had not just turned. It had been red for a while.

If that&#039;s my cognitive bias, it is having a remarkable impact on the movement of objects through real space. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just two hours ago, I watched a cyclist run a red light in front of oncoming traffic. He held up his hand to assert his right to cross in front of people who had the green.</p>
<p>And no, the light had not just turned. It had been red for a while.</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s my cognitive bias, it is having a remarkable impact on the movement of objects through real space. </p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1542722</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 00:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I&#039;m guessing that neither you nor dragonfrog had an opportunity to read the article. The data were partitioned into complete and rolling stops.  Although the data I presented was not specifically when pedestrians are present, another table shows the relative likelihood of compliance specifically when pedestrians are present.  The highest rate of compliance was by university owned vans. Private vehicles were twice as likely to ignore stop signs, whereas cyclists were 66 times as likely to ignore stop signs when a pedestrian was present. And yes, it is specific to a college campus.  But with the disregard of stop signs as one of the major complaints against cyclists, why wasn&#039;t this one of the measures in the study by the Bicycle Coalition of Greater Philadelphia? I expect it&#039;s because the results would not be as favorable to the ones conducting the study.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I&#8217;m guessing that neither you nor dragonfrog had an opportunity to read the article. The data were partitioned into complete and rolling stops.  Although the data I presented was not specifically when pedestrians are present, another table shows the relative likelihood of compliance specifically when pedestrians are present.  The highest rate of compliance was by university owned vans. Private vehicles were twice as likely to ignore stop signs, whereas cyclists were 66 times as likely to ignore stop signs when a pedestrian was present. And yes, it is specific to a college campus.  But with the disregard of stop signs as one of the major complaints against cyclists, why wasn&#8217;t this one of the measures in the study by the Bicycle Coalition of Greater Philadelphia? I expect it&#8217;s because the results would not be as favorable to the ones conducting the study.</p>
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		<title>By: valeriekeefe</title>
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		<dc:creator>valeriekeefe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 23:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Roads are largely paid for from general revenue, with transportation and transportation related spending amounting to no less than 5% of GDP, or $2400 per American per year. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Roads are largely paid for from general revenue, with transportation and transportation related spending amounting to no less than 5% of GDP, or $2400 per American per year. </p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 23:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Davis Square in Somerville, MA this weekend a bicyclist slapped my car in anger with his hand because both of us were trying to occupy the same spot, except I was going 20 mph and had no stop sign, and he had a stop sign that he wanted to ignore. This is going to stick in my brain for years because was really livid, and I don&#039;t know if he was an asshole or just clueless about the laws of the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Davis Square in Somerville, MA this weekend a bicyclist slapped my car in anger with his hand because both of us were trying to occupy the same spot, except I was going 20 mph and had no stop sign, and he had a stop sign that he wanted to ignore. This is going to stick in my brain for years because was really livid, and I don&#8217;t know if he was an asshole or just clueless about the laws of the road.</p>
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		<title>By: SamSam</title>
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		<dc:creator>SamSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 23:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly you&#039;ve missed the 50-odd comments above where people&#039;s #1 gripe seems to be people biking on sidewalks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly you&#8217;ve missed the 50-odd comments above where people&#8217;s #1 gripe seems to be people biking on sidewalks.</p>
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		<title>By: SamSam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1542688</link>
		<dc:creator>SamSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 23:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Passing on the right at intersections&lt;/blockquote&gt;In Massachusetts, cyclists have the right to overtake on the right, and cars need to check for the presence of a bike before making a right turn.
Indeed, they recently &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/senate/185/st02/st02573.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;amended the laws&lt;/a&gt; to include more protection for cyclists on the right, including
&lt;blockquote&gt;No person operating a vehicle that overtakes and passes a bicyclist proceeding in the same direction shall make a right turn at an intersection or driveway unless the turn can be made at a safe distance and at a reasonable and proper speed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;This all makes complete sense. If you relegate cyclists to the far right and don&#039;t want them in the main road, you have to give them leeway for travelling on the right. You can&#039;t have it both ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Passing on the right at intersections</p></blockquote>
<p>In Massachusetts, cyclists have the right to overtake on the right, and cars need to check for the presence of a bike before making a right turn.<br />
Indeed, they recently <a href="http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/senate/185/st02/st02573.htm" rel="nofollow">amended the laws</a> to include more protection for cyclists on the right, including</p>
<blockquote><p>No person operating a vehicle that overtakes and passes a bicyclist proceeding in the same direction shall make a right turn at an intersection or driveway unless the turn can be made at a safe distance and at a reasonable and proper speed.</p></blockquote>
<p>This all makes complete sense. If you relegate cyclists to the far right and don&#8217;t want them in the main road, you have to give them leeway for travelling on the right. You can&#8217;t have it both ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Starko</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1542543</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Starko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are quite a few places where it is perfectly legal to ride a bike on the sidewalk, and doing so is often encouraged. </description>
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		<title>By: rocketpjs</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1542534</link>
		<dc:creator>rocketpjs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vancouver has been building bike lanes and setting aside bike routes for years now.  Councils have fallen over it, and there is endless bitching on the talk radio stations about it.  I rode a bike (no car) in the city for 12 years, got hit once (but not hurt).  There are some aggressive cyclists, but I have been cut off, honked, screamed at, run off the road etc. more times than I can count.  And I make a point of always riding on side streets, avoiding the busy roads, and rarely ride downtown at all (excepting early Sunday mornings or the like).  

Number of drivers killed by moron cyclists in a typical year one. 

I am usually more afraid of inattentive drivers talking on their phones or texting than I am of the shouting assholes - at least they can see me and know I am there.  My biggest fear as a cyclist is to be mowed over while some knucklehead is looking at their handheld..
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vancouver has been building bike lanes and setting aside bike routes for years now.  Councils have fallen over it, and there is endless bitching on the talk radio stations about it.  I rode a bike (no car) in the city for 12 years, got hit once (but not hurt).  There are some aggressive cyclists, but I have been cut off, honked, screamed at, run off the road etc. more times than I can count.  And I make a point of always riding on side streets, avoiding the busy roads, and rarely ride downtown at all (excepting early Sunday mornings or the like).  </p>
<p>Number of drivers killed by moron cyclists in a typical year one. </p>
<p>I am usually more afraid of inattentive drivers talking on their phones or texting than I am of the shouting assholes &#8211; at least they can see me and know I am there.  My biggest fear as a cyclist is to be mowed over while some knucklehead is looking at their handheld..</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1542528</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see your point, but I slow down at side streets and look both ways before crossing.  I only ride on sidewalks when there&#039;s no bike lane and/or narrow streets that&#039;s packed with cars, so it&#039;s not that I&#039;m on sidewalks that often really.

Also, being on a sidewalk is far safer (overall) than being a sitting duck on the side of the road with asshole drivers who aren&#039;t paying attention to the road.  I&#039;d rather take my chances crossing an alley using my own judgment (and eyes) than depending on assholes in cars, that&#039;s for sure.

Disclaimer:  I also drive a car and walk around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your point, but I slow down at side streets and look both ways before crossing.  I only ride on sidewalks when there&#8217;s no bike lane and/or narrow streets that&#8217;s packed with cars, so it&#8217;s not that I&#8217;m on sidewalks that often really.</p>
<p>Also, being on a sidewalk is far safer (overall) than being a sitting duck on the side of the road with asshole drivers who aren&#8217;t paying attention to the road.  I&#8217;d rather take my chances crossing an alley using my own judgment (and eyes) than depending on assholes in cars, that&#8217;s for sure.</p>
<p>Disclaimer:  I also drive a car and walk around.</p>
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		<title>By: dragonfrog</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1542523</link>
		<dc:creator>dragonfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice scare quotes around &quot;legal&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice scare quotes around &#8220;legal&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: $19428857</title>
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		<dc:creator>$19428857</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Not idiocy. Where would bicyclists be if somebody else wasn&#039;t paying for the infrastructure? You can argue most bicyclists own cars as well. You can argue that as a matter of public policy we need to encourage alternate transportation and  should find the tax dollars in another pot that everyone pays into. But to say bicyclists shouldn&#039;t pay road taxes and leave it at that should too much like I want my cake and eat it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Not idiocy. Where would bicyclists be if somebody else wasn&#8217;t paying for the infrastructure? You can argue most bicyclists own cars as well. You can argue that as a matter of public policy we need to encourage alternate transportation and  should find the tax dollars in another pot that everyone pays into. But to say bicyclists shouldn&#8217;t pay road taxes and leave it at that should too much like I want my cake and eat it too.</p>
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		<title>By: tempbot</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1542514</link>
		<dc:creator>tempbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish &quot;some&quot; bikers understood this simple analogy: cars are to bikes as bikes are to pedestrians.  Cyclists who expect cars to share the road with you (as they should), should also be willing to share the path with walkers and runners. I run five times a week on a shared bike-pedestrian path. The path is covered with signs and pavement markings indicating that it&#039;s a shared path with a 10 mph bike speed limit. There&#039;s also a bike path on the adjacent road. Still, I&#039;ve been hit once by a biker and had countless close calls. I&#039;ve also been yelled and gestured at repeatedly by bikers. I estimate that 1 in 20 bikers gives a heads up that they&#039;re passing you (just a simple &quot;on your left&quot;), and fewer still will ever yield to let you cross the path. In other word bikers are exhibiting the exact same behavior towards runners that they complain about drivers doing to them. Do my personal experiences with bikers influence my opinion of them? Yup. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish &#8220;some&#8221; bikers understood this simple analogy: cars are to bikes as bikes are to pedestrians.  Cyclists who expect cars to share the road with you (as they should), should also be willing to share the path with walkers and runners. I run five times a week on a shared bike-pedestrian path. The path is covered with signs and pavement markings indicating that it&#8217;s a shared path with a 10 mph bike speed limit. There&#8217;s also a bike path on the adjacent road. Still, I&#8217;ve been hit once by a biker and had countless close calls. I&#8217;ve also been yelled and gestured at repeatedly by bikers. I estimate that 1 in 20 bikers gives a heads up that they&#8217;re passing you (just a simple &#8220;on your left&#8221;), and fewer still will ever yield to let you cross the path. In other word bikers are exhibiting the exact same behavior towards runners that they complain about drivers doing to them. Do my personal experiences with bikers influence my opinion of them? Yup. </p>
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		<title>By: Rangjan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1542511</link>
		<dc:creator>Rangjan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s more about this cognative bias in the latest edition of The Psychologist: http://www.thepsychologist.org.uk/archive/archive_home.cfm?volumeID=25&amp;editionID=217&amp;ArticleID=2136</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s more about this cognative bias in the latest edition of The Psychologist: <a href="http://www.thepsychologist.org.uk/archive/archive_home.cfm?volumeID=25&#038;editionID=217&#038;ArticleID=2136" rel="nofollow">http://www.thepsychologist.org.uk/archive/archive_home.cfm?volumeID=25&#038;editionID=217&#038;ArticleID=2136</a></p>
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		<title>By: $19428857</title>
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		<dc:creator>$19428857</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In what area is cost based solely on &quot;wear and tear&quot;? Generally, cost is figured on total construction costs  and maintenance cost over time. They just replaced a badly root and frost heaved bike path near my house. I&#039;m not sure how you would figure &quot;wear and tear&quot; of bikes on the path into its replacement costs and pay for it with just that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In what area is cost based solely on &#8220;wear and tear&#8221;? Generally, cost is figured on total construction costs  and maintenance cost over time. They just replaced a badly root and frost heaved bike path near my house. I&#8217;m not sure how you would figure &#8220;wear and tear&#8221; of bikes on the path into its replacement costs and pay for it with just that.</p>
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		<title>By: jere7my</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/26/cyclists-are-safe-and-courteou.html#comment-1542510</link>
		<dc:creator>jere7my</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oo. Yeah, that&#039;s bad juju.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oo. Yeah, that&#8217;s bad juju.</p>
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