Comments on: Commodity market prediction takes the Internet by storm http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Fri, 24 May 2013 08:12:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Brad Bell http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1544801 Brad Bell Sat, 29 Sep 2012 19:16:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1544801 As a Canadian in the UK, this looks simple to me. Canadians and Brits eat both back bacon and strip bacon. Canadian back bacon sometimes has pea meal on the edges, which I am told is actually corn meal. I have never heard of or eaten this thing you are calling Canadian bacon that is diced ham. And if you don't like back bacon, you just aren't putting enough maple syrup on it. As a Canadian in the UK, this looks simple to me. Canadians and Brits eat both back bacon and strip bacon. Canadian back bacon sometimes has pea meal on the edges, which I am told is actually corn meal. I have never heard of or eaten this thing you are calling Canadian bacon that is diced ham. And if you don’t like back bacon, you just aren’t putting enough maple syrup on it.

]]> By: hymenopterid http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1544280 hymenopterid Fri, 28 Sep 2012 19:13:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1544280 It's true, I'm fortunate to live in an area of good soil with good rainfall.  Other parts of the country don't have the same issues with development.  Where I live there is a high demand for any land that is flat for development.  Of course the nice flat land is often flat because it's an alluvial deposit. Also the demand for vegetables in my area is probably higher than other parts of the country. It’s true, I’m fortunate to live in an area of good soil with good rainfall.  Other parts of the country don’t have the same issues with development.  Where I live there is a high demand for any land that is flat for development.  Of course the nice flat land is often flat because it’s an alluvial deposit.

Also the demand for vegetables in my area is probably higher than other parts of the country.

]]> By: jimh http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1544275 jimh Fri, 28 Sep 2012 19:08:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1544275 I actually think the corn used to make the HFCS is pretty safely stockpiled as well. Feed-grade corn is pretty shelf stable as long as kept dry... I actually think the corn used to make the HFCS is pretty safely stockpiled as well. Feed-grade corn is pretty shelf stable as long as kept dry…

]]> By: ryuthrowsstuff http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1544265 ryuthrowsstuff Fri, 28 Sep 2012 18:58:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1544265 Most American's not near the boarder know you guys have back bacon, so they assume "Canadian bacon" is back bacon. Never having had actual back bacon they assume all back bacon is a small disk of processed ham. Like Maggie seems to be doing.  Most American’s not near the boarder know you guys have back bacon, so they assume “Canadian bacon” is back bacon. Never having had actual back bacon they assume all back bacon is a small disk of processed ham. Like Maggie seems to be doing. 

]]> By: Dlo Burns http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1544159 Dlo Burns Fri, 28 Sep 2012 16:52:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1544159 Sorry for going off topic, but is beef bacon any good? Sorry for going off topic, but is beef bacon any good?

]]> By: Dlo Burns http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1544156 Dlo Burns Fri, 28 Sep 2012 16:50:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1544156 That's still 100^tons of corn though. That’s still 100^tons of corn though.

]]> By: Dlo Burns http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1544154 Dlo Burns Fri, 28 Sep 2012 16:47:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1544154 I'm rather sure HFCS is non-perishable and is held in large stocks, like large enough to weather out this price hike. Of course though it'll probably get an artificial price inflation from wall street gambling, er I mean bidding I’m rather sure HFCS is non-perishable and is held in large stocks, like large enough to weather out this price hike. Of course though it’ll probably get an artificial price inflation from wall street gambling, er I mean bidding

]]> By: Dlo Burns http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1544150 Dlo Burns Fri, 28 Sep 2012 16:41:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1544150 USA is full of [place name] fake food products, such as French toast. USA is full of [place name] fake food products, such as French toast.

]]> By: Dlo Burns http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1544149 Dlo Burns Fri, 28 Sep 2012 16:39:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1544149 I say we start rending parts of Detroit back into farmland. I say we start rending parts of Detroit back into farmland.

]]> By: Jim Saul http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1544055 Jim Saul Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:28:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1544055 Goetta is my preferred fried breakfast gamble. These guys have the classic riff on Back Bacon and American Cheese: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_and_Doug_McKenzie Goetta is my preferred fried breakfast gamble.

These guys have the classic riff on Back Bacon and American Cheese:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_and_Doug_McKenzie

]]> By: Peter` Card http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1543998 Peter` Card Fri, 28 Sep 2012 13:14:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1543998  It might well be Danish though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Bacon You could probably approximate American "bacon" by blowtorching rashers of streaky bacon, but why would you? The really trick thing with proper bacon is getting the bacon rinds to come out just right, puffed up and crispy. Sadly, supermarkets dodge the issue by removing the rinds before packaging the bacon.  It might well be Danish though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Bacon

You could probably approximate American “bacon” by blowtorching rashers of streaky bacon, but why would you?

The really trick thing with proper bacon is getting the bacon rinds to come out just right, puffed up and crispy. Sadly, supermarkets dodge the issue by removing the rinds before packaging the bacon.

]]> By: Dorkomatic http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1543942 Dorkomatic Fri, 28 Sep 2012 11:29:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1543942 This looks like an emergent "Bacongate" scandal - insulting each other's national bacon varieties. This will probably escalate into a war. (I'm just surprised we havne't touched on the smoked/unsmoked question yet.) This looks like an emergent “Bacongate” scandal – insulting each other’s national bacon varieties. This will probably escalate into a war. (I’m just surprised we havne’t touched on the smoked/unsmoked question yet.)

]]> By: dentarthurdent http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1543919 dentarthurdent Fri, 28 Sep 2012 09:27:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1543919 That looks like ham. Do you need to cook "Canadian bacon?" The US is big, so not everyone says the same thing. From what my few 'merican acquaintances have told me though, Canadian bacon is back bacon, but I haven't been to all of the places in USA. That looks like ham. Do you need to cook “Canadian bacon?”
The US is big, so not everyone says the same thing. From what my few ‘merican acquaintances have told me though, Canadian bacon is back bacon, but I haven’t been to all of the places in USA.

]]> By: Anon_Mahna http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1543891 Anon_Mahna Fri, 28 Sep 2012 07:20:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1543891 "Droughts have completely decimated this year's corn crop," One would think that a drop by 10% wouldn't have too much of an impact.  The mental image of every tenth stalk of corn being pummeled to pulp by the rest of the corn is fairly  amusing.. “Droughts have completely decimated this year’s corn crop,”

One would think that a drop by 10% wouldn’t have too much of an impact. 
The mental image of every tenth stalk of corn being pummeled to pulp by the rest of the corn is fairly  amusing..

]]> By: Anon_Mahna http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1543888 Anon_Mahna Fri, 28 Sep 2012 07:14:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1543888  love it just fine with pineapple on a pizza pie.  love it just fine with pineapple on a pizza pie.

]]> By: TimRowledge http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1543862 TimRowledge Fri, 28 Sep 2012 06:02:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1543862 It's not cheese. It's "cheese like processed dairyish product" and tastes as good as it sounds. America's idea of bacon is little better. It is strips of pork fat with faint hints of meaty stuff occasionally interspersed, served so over cooked that you can barely tell it from grilled cardboard. The bacon normally served in Britain comes in two forms A) streaky bacon which looks faintly like American bacon-like product but has some actual pork content. B) middle-back bacon which looks like very thinly sliced pork hop and thus has a substantial chunk of pork included, thus making it taste of pork rather than burnt fat infused cardboard. Conversely, sausages in Britain consist of 125% horrible stuff with negligible pork connection, so you win some you lose some. It’s not cheese. It’s “cheese like processed dairyish product” and tastes as good as it sounds.
America’s idea of bacon is little better. It is strips of pork fat with faint hints of meaty stuff occasionally interspersed, served so over cooked that you can barely tell it from grilled cardboard. The bacon normally served in Britain comes in two forms
A) streaky bacon which looks faintly like American bacon-like product but has some actual pork content.
B) middle-back bacon which looks like very thinly sliced pork hop and thus has a substantial chunk of pork included, thus making it taste of pork rather than burnt fat infused cardboard.
Conversely, sausages in Britain consist of 125% horrible stuff with negligible pork connection, so you win some you lose some.

]]> By: Phil Westoby http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1543861 Phil Westoby Fri, 28 Sep 2012 06:01:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1543861 could we, as Canadians, just publicly declare ourselves are active non-supporters of all future American invasions, thus blacklisting us to the point that the processed ham we have been maligned with will forever be known as "freedom bacon"?  Win-win for us Canucks if the Tea Party gets in this election... could we, as Canadians, just publicly declare ourselves are active non-supporters of all future American invasions, thus blacklisting us to the point that the processed ham we have been maligned with will forever be known as “freedom bacon”?  Win-win for us Canucks if the Tea Party gets in this election…

]]> By: jimh http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1543756 jimh Fri, 28 Sep 2012 02:51:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1543756 We currently pay an all-time low for food in this country, less than 10% of average household income is spent on food. More like 6%, compared to over 40% for many countries. That's pretty amazing. About half of the corn grown in the U.S. goes to the feedlot cattle after being pumped full of antibiotics, and the other half goes to New Jersey to be turned into HFCS. I'm assuming the price of everything that contains HFCS will go up, too? Or maybe not, because I am under the impression that we overproduce corn by an order of magnitude. The government subsidizes the crop heavily- if it didn't, it would be unprofitable for all but the largest operations to produce. The Archer Daniels Midland-scale growers still collect on subsidies, though. I think this will be a small blip in prices for the cheapest of beef grades. I'm not sure if  organic, grass fed beef will go up in price. And generally that's the meat that's fit to eat, anyway. We currently pay an all-time low for food in this country, less than 10% of average household income is spent on food. More like 6%, compared to over 40% for many countries. That’s pretty amazing.

About half of the corn grown in the U.S. goes to the feedlot cattle after being pumped full of antibiotics, and the other half goes to New Jersey to be turned into HFCS. I’m assuming the price of everything that contains HFCS will go up, too?

Or maybe not, because I am under the impression that we overproduce corn by an order of magnitude. The government subsidizes the crop heavily- if it didn’t, it would be unprofitable for all but the largest operations to produce. The Archer Daniels Midland-scale growers still collect on subsidies, though.

I think this will be a small blip in prices for the cheapest of beef grades. I’m not sure if  organic, grass fed beef will go up in price. And generally that’s the meat that’s fit to eat, anyway.

]]> By: jimh http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1543747 jimh Fri, 28 Sep 2012 02:28:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1543747 Pandas are delicious! Pandas are delicious!

]]> By: Daemonworks http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1543739 Daemonworks Fri, 28 Sep 2012 02:10:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1543739 As a Canadian, I consider the term "canadian bacon" to be denegreting, both to Canadians and to real bacon everywhere. As a Canadian, I consider the term “canadian bacon” to be denegreting, both to Canadians and to real bacon everywhere.

]]> By: RJ http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1543716 RJ Fri, 28 Sep 2012 01:39:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1543716 So next year will be the year of fatback and eggs for breakfast, eh? So next year will be the year of fatback and eggs for breakfast, eh?

]]> By: Matthew Miller http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1543713 Matthew Miller Fri, 28 Sep 2012 01:33:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1543713 Well, maybe. The problem here isn't increased demand but decreased supply due to drought. When the problem is the weather, adding farmland only helps if it's in unaffected areas — and this year very large areas are affected:  http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/thumbnails/2012.gif Well, maybe. The problem here isn’t increased demand but decreased supply due to drought. When the problem is the weather, adding farmland only helps if it’s in unaffected areas — and this year very large areas are affected:  http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/thumbnails/2012.gif

]]> By: Mantissa128 http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1543680 Mantissa128 Fri, 28 Sep 2012 00:30:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1543680 It's okay. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSReSGe200A" rel="nofollow">We'll just rub some bacon on it.</a> It’s okay. We’ll just rub some bacon on it.

]]> By: cuprohastes http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1543656 cuprohastes Fri, 28 Sep 2012 00:01:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1543656 It's not "Canadian bacon" - try doing some research next time. It’s not “Canadian bacon” – try doing some research next time.

]]> By: hymenopterid http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1543647 hymenopterid Thu, 27 Sep 2012 23:50:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1543647 It's ironic because in America today most people are not farmers and therefore most Americans treat rising food prices as a bad thing.  There was a time when most Americans were farmers and the thing they feared most was a drop in food prices.  Imagine a whole field of corn that is left to rot because it costs more to harvest than it's worth at market. One man's increase in food prices is another man's increase in demand for produce.   With increased demand for produce comes an increase in the demand for arable land.  This is interesting to me personally as I live in an area with excellent soil, and a lot of that soil gets paved over because the demand for strip malls and subdivisions is greater than the demand for farms.  But if food prices keep rising, and development doesn't take off for a few more years, farming might start to become a bit more profitable. It’s ironic because in America today most people are not farmers and therefore most Americans treat rising food prices as a bad thing.  There was a time when most Americans were farmers and the thing they feared most was a drop in food prices.  Imagine a whole field of corn that is left to rot because it costs more to harvest than it’s worth at market.

One man’s increase in food prices is another man’s increase in demand for produce.   With increased demand for produce comes an increase in the demand for arable land.  This is interesting to me personally as I live in an area with excellent soil, and a lot of that soil gets paved over because the demand for strip malls and subdivisions is greater than the demand for farms.  But if food prices keep rising, and development doesn’t take off for a few more years, farming might start to become a bit more profitable.

]]> By: ryuthrowsstuff http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1543637 ryuthrowsstuff Thu, 27 Sep 2012 23:38:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1543637 Yes but "Canadian Bacon" isn't in anyway back bacon. Its processed ham.  Yes but “Canadian Bacon” isn’t in anyway back bacon. Its processed ham. 

]]> By: ryuthrowsstuff http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1543634 ryuthrowsstuff Thu, 27 Sep 2012 23:33:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1543634 Sort of. In the US we usually refer to back bacon as Irish Bacon, or whichever British Isles nation has the largest ethnic community in a given area. What we call Canadian Bacon is lame ass little disks of processed ham, a product that exists nowhere else in the world.  So Maggie is a bit wrong. "Canadian Bacon" is actually inferior bullshit. But proper back bacon is a thing of beauty.  "Canadian Bacon": http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Du0UVjePvh0/TSzCtUNjNTI/AAAAAAAAAlk/Okt26s_bvz8/s1600/IMG_7642.JPG Back Bacon: http://bacontoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/irishbacon02.gif See the difference. Sort of. In the US we usually refer to back bacon as Irish Bacon, or whichever British Isles nation has the largest ethnic community in a given area. What we call Canadian Bacon is lame ass little disks of processed ham, a product that exists nowhere else in the world. 

So Maggie is a bit wrong. “Canadian Bacon” is actually inferior bullshit. But proper back bacon is a thing of beauty. 

“Canadian Bacon”:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Du0UVjePvh0/TSzCtUNjNTI/AAAAAAAAAlk/Okt26s_bvz8/s1600/IMG_7642.JPG

Back Bacon:
http://bacontoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/irishbacon02.gif

See the difference.

]]> By: Stryx Varia http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1543629 Stryx Varia Thu, 27 Sep 2012 23:27:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1543629  Harmonious roundness. What impact will high pork prices have on McDonald's McRIB? http://www.theawl.com/2011/11/a-conspiracy-of-hogs-the-mcrib-as-arbitrage  Harmonious roundness.

What impact will high pork prices have on McDonald’s McRIB?

http://www.theawl.com/2011/11/a-conspiracy-of-hogs-the-mcrib-as-arbitrage

]]> By: Vnend http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1543620 Vnend Thu, 27 Sep 2012 23:15:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1543620 But don't try to make bacon and banana pizza with strip bacon; it is delicious made with the bacon they used in Cape Town (at least for once slice). But don’t try to make bacon and banana pizza with strip bacon; it is delicious made with the bacon they used in Cape Town (at least for once slice).

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/09/27/commodity-market-prediction-ta.html#comment-1543602 Antinous / Moderator Thu, 27 Sep 2012 22:48:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=184043#comment-1543602 I don't even like bacon. Or fried food. Or pandas. I don’t even like bacon. Or fried food. Or pandas.

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