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	<title>Comments on: 3D printer company seizes its leased unit from the home of a man planning to print out a&#160;pistol</title>
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		<title>By: DewiMorgan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/3d-printer-company-seizes-its.html#comment-1546695</link>
		<dc:creator>DewiMorgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 18:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Others are working on that one :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Others are working on that one :)<br />
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		<title>By: DewiMorgan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/3d-printer-company-seizes-its.html#comment-1546636</link>
		<dc:creator>DewiMorgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 17:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Hunting (and to a lesser extent, target shooting) is BIG business in the US. Way bigger than, say, home defense, definitely way bigger than government overthrow. Wander into a Gander Mountain sometime. Or any equivalent store near you.

From a financial point of view, yes, hunting is the main reason.

And from a motivational point of view: the 1994 report [sorry I can&#039;t find anything more recent  about gun ownership with a quick search] https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/165476 states: &quot;The most common motivation for owning firearms was recreation.&quot;

And from a numbers point of view: that report says &quot;44 million Americans owned 192 million firearms, 65 million of which were handguns.&quot; - so about two thirds of the weapons are shotguns and rifles. Those are hunting weapons.

It then goes on to add: &quot;Forty-six percent possessed a gun primarily for protection against crime.&quot; - the high number there probably being at least partly explained by their data point &quot;Sixty-eight percent of handgun owners also possessed at least one rifle or shotgun.&quot; - so while those 68% &quot;possessed *a* gun primarily for protection&quot;, they mainly had and used guns for recreational purposes.

Another way to look at it, is what they get used for: guns are used defensively in between 0.1M and 2.5M cases per year (numbers vary wildly depending on sources). Most of these don&#039;t even involve a shot fired, but let&#039;s pretend they all fire a dozen shots. So that&#039;s maybe 24M rounds/year used defensively, at an absolutely insane maximum. For comparison, the US military uses 70M rounds per year.

While I can&#039;t find any hard figures for US ammo sales in a quick search, it looks like the number of rounds sold each year is orders of magnitude above that. For ATK alone &quot;Annual Sales of “Hunting and Sporting” ammunition alone total $750,000,000.&quot;  That&#039;s half its annual sales, and it makes 6.5Bn rounds per year.  ...but all that includes international sales, too, which means I&#039;m not comparing like with like, I&#039;m afraid. Good numbers are hard to find :(

Still: clearly not even in the same ballpark.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2008/02/atk-is-1-ammo-maker-with-15-billion-in-annual-ammo-sales/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Hunting (and to a lesser extent, target shooting) is BIG business in the US. Way bigger than, say, home defense, definitely way bigger than government overthrow. Wander into a Gander Mountain sometime. Or any equivalent store near you.</p>
<p>From a financial point of view, yes, hunting is the main reason.</p>
<p>And from a motivational point of view: the 1994 report [sorry I can't find anything more recent  about gun ownership with a quick search] <a href="https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/165476" rel="nofollow">https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/165476</a> states: &#8220;The most common motivation for owning firearms was recreation.&#8221;</p>
<p>And from a numbers point of view: that report says &#8220;44 million Americans owned 192 million firearms, 65 million of which were handguns.&#8221; &#8211; so about two thirds of the weapons are shotguns and rifles. Those are hunting weapons.</p>
<p>It then goes on to add: &#8220;Forty-six percent possessed a gun primarily for protection against crime.&#8221; &#8211; the high number there probably being at least partly explained by their data point &#8220;Sixty-eight percent of handgun owners also possessed at least one rifle or shotgun.&#8221; &#8211; so while those 68% &#8220;possessed *a* gun primarily for protection&#8221;, they mainly had and used guns for recreational purposes.</p>
<p>Another way to look at it, is what they get used for: guns are used defensively in between 0.1M and 2.5M cases per year (numbers vary wildly depending on sources). Most of these don&#8217;t even involve a shot fired, but let&#8217;s pretend they all fire a dozen shots. So that&#8217;s maybe 24M rounds/year used defensively, at an absolutely insane maximum. For comparison, the US military uses 70M rounds per year.</p>
<p>While I can&#8217;t find any hard figures for US ammo sales in a quick search, it looks like the number of rounds sold each year is orders of magnitude above that. For ATK alone &#8220;Annual Sales of “Hunting and Sporting” ammunition alone total $750,000,000.&#8221;  That&#8217;s half its annual sales, and it makes 6.5Bn rounds per year.  &#8230;but all that includes international sales, too, which means I&#8217;m not comparing like with like, I&#8217;m afraid. Good numbers are hard to find :(</p>
<p>Still: clearly not even in the same ballpark.<br />
<a href="http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2008/02/atk-is-1-ammo-maker-with-15-billion-in-annual-ammo-sales/" rel="nofollow">http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2008/02/atk-is-1-ammo-maker-with-15-billion-in-annual-ammo-sales/</a></p>
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		<title>By: DewiMorgan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/3d-printer-company-seizes-its.html#comment-1546544</link>
		<dc:creator>DewiMorgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 16:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve never lived in the UK, have you? There, cutlery for weaning babies on must by law carry the legend &quot;not for sale to people under the age of 18&quot; because there&#039;s a flat, blunt &quot;knife&quot;. Teen parents are SoL. Knives also cannot be sold with macho names, like &quot;Rambo knife&quot; or &quot;Combat knife&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve never lived in the UK, have you? There, cutlery for weaning babies on must by law carry the legend &#8220;not for sale to people under the age of 18&#8243; because there&#8217;s a flat, blunt &#8220;knife&#8221;. Teen parents are SoL. Knives also cannot be sold with macho names, like &#8220;Rambo knife&#8221; or &#8220;Combat knife&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/3d-printer-company-seizes-its.html#comment-1546504</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Probably more a PR thing -- they probably don&#039;t want to be the &quot;our 3D printer was used to make a plastic gun that blew up in the idiot maker&#039;s hand&quot; company.  Can&#039;t say I really blame them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Probably more a PR thing &#8212; they probably don&#8217;t want to be the &#8220;our 3D printer was used to make a plastic gun that blew up in the idiot maker&#8217;s hand&#8221; company.  Can&#8217;t say I really blame them.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/3d-printer-company-seizes-its.html#comment-1546489</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 16:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A well regulated militia &lt;em&gt;being necessary to the security of a free state&lt;/em&gt;, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Technically, the right to own guns was to protect non-military, non-criminal people from military and criminal people, who have all too often in history been the exact same people.  See: highwayman, brigand, brownshirt.

Some of your fellow Europeans get it, and do it much better than we USians do: &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Swiss gun politics&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A well regulated militia <em>being necessary to the security of a free state</em>, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.</p></blockquote>
<p>Technically, the right to own guns was to protect non-military, non-criminal people from military and criminal people, who have all too often in history been the exact same people.  See: highwayman, brigand, brownshirt.</p>
<p>Some of your fellow Europeans get it, and do it much better than we USians do: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland" rel="nofollow">Swiss gun politics</a></p>
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		<title>By: Amanda Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 16:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rest of the world doesn&#039;t build out in the sub/exurbs as much as the US does. Quite sensibly, I might add. Tough guy suburban warriors!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rest of the world doesn&#8217;t build out in the sub/exurbs as much as the US does. Quite sensibly, I might add. Tough guy suburban warriors!</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/3d-printer-company-seizes-its.html#comment-1546479</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Hey, now...the Church of Discordia is a &lt;em&gt;much&lt;/em&gt; less elaborate joke than the Catholic Church or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Hey, now&#8230;the Church of Discordia is a <em>much</em> less elaborate joke than the Catholic Church or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.</p>
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		<title>By: Dlo Burns</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/3d-printer-company-seizes-its.html#comment-1546476</link>
		<dc:creator>Dlo Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure, but that sounds entirely possible and plausible. On the other hand I&#039;m sure after the introduction of the first gun there&#039;s always been cheap knockoffs for the murderer on a budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure, but that sounds entirely possible and plausible. On the other hand I&#8217;m sure after the introduction of the first gun there&#8217;s always been cheap knockoffs for the murderer on a budget.</p>
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		<title>By: lintman</title>
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		<dc:creator>lintman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue here is that this crappy one-shot gun would likely be undetectable to conventional security scanners.  Imagine eight guys on an airliner with them.  Or even just one guy in the crowd at a presidential reception, or for a candidate, or a visiting head of state.  Or imagine a murderer melting the gun into an indistinguishable pile of goo after the murder: no trace of the weapon, no record of a weapon purchase, no record of the bullet striation patterns it makes.

Sadly, this would be a rather good weapon or choice for terrorists, assassins and murderers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue here is that this crappy one-shot gun would likely be undetectable to conventional security scanners.  Imagine eight guys on an airliner with them.  Or even just one guy in the crowd at a presidential reception, or for a candidate, or a visiting head of state.  Or imagine a murderer melting the gun into an indistinguishable pile of goo after the murder: no trace of the weapon, no record of a weapon purchase, no record of the bullet striation patterns it makes.</p>
<p>Sadly, this would be a rather good weapon or choice for terrorists, assassins and murderers.</p>
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		<title>By: gandalf23</title>
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		<dc:creator>gandalf23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I built a plumbing pipe shotgun in high school.  Not at the school, but during that time frame.  Easy as heck to do, the only &quot;hard&quot; part was drilling the hole for the firing pin through the plug.  I shot it a few times, from a distance with string, just enough to be satisfied that it worked.  $5 or less in parts, a few minutes with a drill, and a little bit of time making the other parts, although you don&#039;t even have to make a trigger you can just make a slam fire gun.  Didn&#039;t BB have a article on an artist in New York that built zip guns to turn into the gun buy back programs to finance his work?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I built a plumbing pipe shotgun in high school.  Not at the school, but during that time frame.  Easy as heck to do, the only &#8220;hard&#8221; part was drilling the hole for the firing pin through the plug.  I shot it a few times, from a distance with string, just enough to be satisfied that it worked.  $5 or less in parts, a few minutes with a drill, and a little bit of time making the other parts, although you don&#8217;t even have to make a trigger you can just make a slam fire gun.  Didn&#8217;t BB have a article on an artist in New York that built zip guns to turn into the gun buy back programs to finance his work?  </p>
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		<title>By: lintman</title>
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		<dc:creator>lintman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was exactly my thought.  I can see the headlines now:
&quot;New home 3D printers able to build plastic handguns undetectable to airport scanners&quot;
&quot;14 yr old boy builds handgun on 3D printer, brings it into school.  Sources say he downloaded the design from the internet.&quot;

Uproar and overeaction ensues, followed heavy regulation swept-in in a panicked rush because too few people yet have seen or understand the potential benefits of this technology.

So I don&#039;t blame the 3D printer company at all for wanting no part of this guy&#039;s project.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was exactly my thought.  I can see the headlines now:<br />
&#8220;New home 3D printers able to build plastic handguns undetectable to airport scanners&#8221;<br />
&#8220;14 yr old boy builds handgun on 3D printer, brings it into school.  Sources say he downloaded the design from the internet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Uproar and overeaction ensues, followed heavy regulation swept-in in a panicked rush because too few people yet have seen or understand the potential benefits of this technology.</p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t blame the 3D printer company at all for wanting no part of this guy&#8217;s project.  </p>
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		<title>By: gandalf23</title>
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		<dc:creator>gandalf23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In pistols it&#039;s the frame not the slide that is the firearm under US law.  The general rule of thumb is it&#039;s the part the holds the firing mechanism, but that&#039;s not always the case. In the FAL &amp; HK G3 series rifles rifles it&#039;s the upper receiver that is the firearm, not the lower.  On post-1934 (or 1968, I forget which) firearms in the US it&#039;s easy to figure out as it&#039;ll be the part with the serial number _and_ the manufacturer&#039;s info on it. 

It is perfectly legal under federal law in the US, and under state laws in Texas, to build yourself a pistol, rifle, or shotgun (basically anything but a machinegun, although you have to pay a federal $200 tax first before building suppressors, short barreled rifles or shotguns, AOWs, or Destructive Devices).  You can even sell it eventually (or give it as a gift), you just can&#039;t make them to sell for a profit.  For that you need to have paid a federal Special Occupancy Tax, I think it&#039;s $1000 a year, might be more, it&#039;s been a while since I looked it up.  As a rule of thumb it is advisable not to sell any gun you make just because why stick your hand in the hornets nest if you don&#039;t have too, right?  Remember, the ATF used to follow people at gun shows, and when they bought a gun for say $100, come up and offer them $120 for it, and if they accepted arrest them for selling guns without a Federal Firearms License because they&#039;d made a profit by selling guns, and you need a FFL for that.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In pistols it&#8217;s the frame not the slide that is the firearm under US law.  The general rule of thumb is it&#8217;s the part the holds the firing mechanism, but that&#8217;s not always the case. In the FAL &amp; HK G3 series rifles rifles it&#8217;s the upper receiver that is the firearm, not the lower.  On post-1934 (or 1968, I forget which) firearms in the US it&#8217;s easy to figure out as it&#8217;ll be the part with the serial number _and_ the manufacturer&#8217;s info on it. </p>
<p>It is perfectly legal under federal law in the US, and under state laws in Texas, to build yourself a pistol, rifle, or shotgun (basically anything but a machinegun, although you have to pay a federal $200 tax first before building suppressors, short barreled rifles or shotguns, AOWs, or Destructive Devices).  You can even sell it eventually (or give it as a gift), you just can&#8217;t make them to sell for a profit.  For that you need to have paid a federal Special Occupancy Tax, I think it&#8217;s $1000 a year, might be more, it&#8217;s been a while since I looked it up.  As a rule of thumb it is advisable not to sell any gun you make just because why stick your hand in the hornets nest if you don&#8217;t have too, right?  Remember, the ATF used to follow people at gun shows, and when they bought a gun for say $100, come up and offer them $120 for it, and if they accepted arrest them for selling guns without a Federal Firearms License because they&#8217;d made a profit by selling guns, and you need a FFL for that.  </p>
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		<title>By: ackpht</title>
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		<dc:creator>ackpht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A 3D printer cannot print &quot;anything&quot;- it can print any SHAPE in a limited number of printer-friendly materials. 

This &quot;project&quot; sounds like a hoax from end to end- was the goal to print a 3D gun, or to stir people up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A 3D printer cannot print &#8220;anything&#8221;- it can print any SHAPE in a limited number of printer-friendly materials. </p>
<p>This &#8220;project&#8221; sounds like a hoax from end to end- was the goal to print a 3D gun, or to stir people up?</p>
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		<title>By: IokSotot</title>
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		<dc:creator>IokSotot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 14:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how the Jews of Warsaw would have fared if they could have printed guns in 1940?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how the Jews of Warsaw would have fared if they could have printed guns in 1940?</p>
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		<title>By: PhasmaFelis</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhasmaFelis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 14:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really wish these folks could&#039;ve managed to restrain themselves for a few years, until 3D printing was ubiquitous and popular. Right now it&#039;s still a novelty in the public eye, which means no significant backlash if the feds regulate and suppress the hell out of it.

Thanks, assholes! You&#039;ve derailed a world-changing technology because you just couldn&#039;t wait to have shitty, worthless guns. Great job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really wish these folks could&#8217;ve managed to restrain themselves for a few years, until 3D printing was ubiquitous and popular. Right now it&#8217;s still a novelty in the public eye, which means no significant backlash if the feds regulate and suppress the hell out of it.</p>
<p>Thanks, assholes! You&#8217;ve derailed a world-changing technology because you just couldn&#8217;t wait to have shitty, worthless guns. Great job.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 13:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why wasn&#039;t their first project just to print a new 3-D printer using the existing 3-D printer? That project would have paid for itself in a few years. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why wasn&#8217;t their first project just to print a new 3-D printer using the existing 3-D printer? That project would have paid for itself in a few years. </p>
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		<title>By: zotlerg</title>
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		<dc:creator>zotlerg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 13:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..you live in a super low-crime neighborhood in a small city with less than one shooting death per year?&quot;
One dead from shooting year, is &#039;super low&#039;??
Wow, that&#039;s amazing. For the whole of the UK it was 50 last year, 13 of which were teenagers. And nearly all were gang related from problem areas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..you live in a super low-crime neighborhood in a small city with less than one shooting death per year?&#8221;<br />
One dead from shooting year, is &#8216;super low&#8217;??<br />
Wow, that&#8217;s amazing. For the whole of the UK it was 50 last year, 13 of which were teenagers. And nearly all were gang related from problem areas.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 13:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t the guy who created the gun that was honored with the name, &quot;Saturday Night Special&quot; get successfully sued into oblivion in the late 90s due to his firearm design? Sadly, there were others who took his place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t the guy who created the gun that was honored with the name, &#8220;Saturday Night Special&#8221; get successfully sued into oblivion in the late 90s due to his firearm design? Sadly, there were others who took his place.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 13:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was my understanding from reading about the first guy who printed a gun with a 3-D printer that the barrel needed to be metal otherwise you create a gun that has a one time use and greatly reduced accuracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was my understanding from reading about the first guy who printed a gun with a 3-D printer that the barrel needed to be metal otherwise you create a gun that has a one time use and greatly reduced accuracy.</p>
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		<title>By: RoCr</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/3d-printer-company-seizes-its.html#comment-1546385</link>
		<dc:creator>RoCr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 12:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;i&gt;point&lt;/i&gt; is that guns are ALREADY cheap and easy to make. They always have been. People in high security prisons have managed to throw one together. This guy might design a new method, but he isn&#039;t changing anything.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <i>point</i> is that guns are ALREADY cheap and easy to make. They always have been. People in high security prisons have managed to throw one together. This guy might design a new method, but he isn&#8217;t changing anything.  </p>
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		<title>By: Tadas Jelinek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tadas Jelinek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 11:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it&#039;s curiosity? Why not? I&#039;m also European and I believe that general public should be allowed to do experiments like this as long as they do not keep full set of parts or assembled versions to (somewhat) reduce risk of this falling into wrong hands. Print-test-destroy, why not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s curiosity? Why not? I&#8217;m also European and I believe that general public should be allowed to do experiments like this as long as they do not keep full set of parts or assembled versions to (somewhat) reduce risk of this falling into wrong hands. Print-test-destroy, why not?</p>
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		<title>By: Nomen Nescio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nomen Nescio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 11:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i didn&#039;t use to think much about guns, back when i was growing up in Europe. gun control laws felt natural to me, then. my perspective&#039;s changed a lot since i immigrated to the states; it&#039;s a subject that actually does bear serious thought and discussion --- and the answer is not necessarily or automatically to ban them all. mr/ms info&#039;s knee-jerk reaction in that direction is much too simplistic to be taken seriously. all knee-jerk reactions are.

there are dozens of millions of gun owners in the USA, and the vast, VAST majority of them are totally trustworthy people who do no harm with their weapons. that fact in itself is pretty powerful support for the right to keep arms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i didn&#8217;t use to think much about guns, back when i was growing up in Europe. gun control laws felt natural to me, then. my perspective&#8217;s changed a lot since i immigrated to the states; it&#8217;s a subject that actually does bear serious thought and discussion &#8212; and the answer is not necessarily or automatically to ban them all. mr/ms info&#8217;s knee-jerk reaction in that direction is much too simplistic to be taken seriously. all knee-jerk reactions are.</p>
<p>there are dozens of millions of gun owners in the USA, and the vast, VAST majority of them are totally trustworthy people who do no harm with their weapons. that fact in itself is pretty powerful support for the right to keep arms.</p>
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		<title>By: ookluh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/3d-printer-company-seizes-its.html#comment-1546370</link>
		<dc:creator>ookluh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 11:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, for a start I guess we could have a culture that doesn&#039;t also glorify anything and everything about gun ownership.  Want to own guns?  Fine.  Want to be a stupid jackass about it and keep a loaded gun in your bedside table when you have small children around because you are afraid of someone breaking in even when you live in a super low-crime neighborhood in a small city with less than one shooting death per year?  

I seriously wonder whether some people love their guns more than their children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, for a start I guess we could have a culture that doesn&#8217;t also glorify anything and everything about gun ownership.  Want to own guns?  Fine.  Want to be a stupid jackass about it and keep a loaded gun in your bedside table when you have small children around because you are afraid of someone breaking in even when you live in a super low-crime neighborhood in a small city with less than one shooting death per year?  </p>
<p>I seriously wonder whether some people love their guns more than their children.</p>
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		<title>By: Nomen Nescio</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/3d-printer-company-seizes-its.html#comment-1546369</link>
		<dc:creator>Nomen Nescio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 11:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does it make you feel any better to know that knives and daggers can already be 3D printed? or that single-shot firearms (&quot;zip guns&quot;) are simplistic enough in their workings that clever high school students can already design such things by themselves, and build them out of plumbing supplies using home tools? (sure, a shotgun built from plumbing pipe likely won&#039;t survive more than one shot, if that, so it&#039;s &quot;single shot&quot; in more than one sense. but the same likely goes for a 3D-printed barrel, too.)

moral: there is only one true weapon, and that is a sapient mind that&#039;s set on doing harm. everything else is just tools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does it make you feel any better to know that knives and daggers can already be 3D printed? or that single-shot firearms (&#8220;zip guns&#8221;) are simplistic enough in their workings that clever high school students can already design such things by themselves, and build them out of plumbing supplies using home tools? (sure, a shotgun built from plumbing pipe likely won&#8217;t survive more than one shot, if that, so it&#8217;s &#8220;single shot&#8221; in more than one sense. but the same likely goes for a 3D-printed barrel, too.)</p>
<p>moral: there is only one true weapon, and that is a sapient mind that&#8217;s set on doing harm. everything else is just tools.</p>
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		<title>By: Dv Revolutionary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dv Revolutionary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 11:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And after we have eradicated our large wildlife? That point is coming soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And after we have eradicated our large wildlife? That point is coming soon.</p>
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		<title>By: echo_whiskey</title>
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		<dc:creator>echo_whiskey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 11:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not nearly as stupid an argument as &quot;hunting&quot; being the primary purpose of firearms in the United States.

The legal basis of the constitutional right to arms is the 2nd amendment which has nothing to do with hunting, a secondary activity with firearms (especially now).

Military rifles and civilian rifles do not differ in any militarily significant manner.  Both fire bullets at an adequate rate relatively accurately.  It would be more accurate is to say that civilians don&#039;t have ready access to crew-served weaponry, high-grade explosives, armored vehicles, and military aircraft (or even aircraft at all for the most part).  
Fighting the government would definitely be a costly proposition, but not impossible because ... numbers; current military strength equals about one million; population equals about 310 million most of whom are armed or could be pretty quickly.  Also, lots of military will not shoot U.S. civilians in general revolt.

Actual armed revolt would bring down the government pretty quickly because our government is not structurally set up to be in opposition to the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not nearly as stupid an argument as &#8220;hunting&#8221; being the primary purpose of firearms in the United States.</p>
<p>The legal basis of the constitutional right to arms is the 2nd amendment which has nothing to do with hunting, a secondary activity with firearms (especially now).</p>
<p>Military rifles and civilian rifles do not differ in any militarily significant manner.  Both fire bullets at an adequate rate relatively accurately.  It would be more accurate is to say that civilians don&#8217;t have ready access to crew-served weaponry, high-grade explosives, armored vehicles, and military aircraft (or even aircraft at all for the most part).  <br />
Fighting the government would definitely be a costly proposition, but not impossible because &#8230; numbers; current military strength equals about one million; population equals about 310 million most of whom are armed or could be pretty quickly.  Also, lots of military will not shoot U.S. civilians in general revolt.</p>
<p>Actual armed revolt would bring down the government pretty quickly because our government is not structurally set up to be in opposition to the people.</p>
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		<title>By: ookluh</title>
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		<dc:creator>ookluh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 10:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;things&quot; that handguns are designed to kill at close range are people.  Yes, you might carry one as a side arm to dispatch a wounded animal (a &quot;thing&quot;, I guess you call it) at close range, but then you don&#039;t need a clip that holds 12 rounds for that, do you?

As for the tired argument of people killing people, while it is true, the guns help.  A lot.  Since you can&#039;t really regulate the presence of people in a society, you might consider regulating the availability of guns, and make it a little less easy for the people to kill each other in the &quot;heat of battle.&quot;

[Edited to make it less preachy--made it worse.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;things&#8221; that handguns are designed to kill at close range are people.  Yes, you might carry one as a side arm to dispatch a wounded animal (a &#8220;thing&#8221;, I guess you call it) at close range, but then you don&#8217;t need a clip that holds 12 rounds for that, do you?</p>
<p>As for the tired argument of people killing people, while it is true, the guns help.  A lot.  Since you can&#8217;t really regulate the presence of people in a society, you might consider regulating the availability of guns, and make it a little less easy for the people to kill each other in the &#8220;heat of battle.&#8221;</p>
<p>[Edited to make it less preachy--made it worse.]</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 08:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An air horn is a better solution for most people who encounter large predators.  But if I lived in an area with a lot of bears, I&#039;d probably want a firearm if I went walking in the woods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An air horn is a better solution for most people who encounter large predators.  But if I lived in an area with a lot of bears, I&#8217;d probably want a firearm if I went walking in the woods.</p>
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		<title>By: disillusion</title>
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		<dc:creator>disillusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 08:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If something was gnawing at your arms or legs would you fight back, or would you just ask it to please stop?  People in general don&#039;t go out looking to kill animals for no reason, but if there&#039;s a good chance I&#039;ll run into a wild, and possibly rabid, animal, I&#039;d rather be packing something rather than nothing.  

Now yes, if you don&#039;t actually go out into areas that have such animals, then you generally have no need to arm yourself to defend against them, but if you are going out to such areas, be it for fishing and/or hunting to put food on a table or, ugh, recreation, then you should at least be prepared for the worst.  If you can&#039;t tell, I don&#039;t like the idea of people killing animals for &quot;sport,&quot; mostly cause it&#039;s a waste of good food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If something was gnawing at your arms or legs would you fight back, or would you just ask it to please stop?  People in general don&#8217;t go out looking to kill animals for no reason, but if there&#8217;s a good chance I&#8217;ll run into a wild, and possibly rabid, animal, I&#8217;d rather be packing something rather than nothing.  </p>
<p>Now yes, if you don&#8217;t actually go out into areas that have such animals, then you generally have no need to arm yourself to defend against them, but if you are going out to such areas, be it for fishing and/or hunting to put food on a table or, ugh, recreation, then you should at least be prepared for the worst.  If you can&#8217;t tell, I don&#8217;t like the idea of people killing animals for &#8220;sport,&#8221; mostly cause it&#8217;s a waste of good food.</p>
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		<title>By: GyroMagician</title>
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		<dc:creator>GyroMagician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 07:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But there are many, many do-it-yourself CNC projects out there. They&#039;re also not so expensive. I don&#039;t understand why groups like this are trying to use 3D printers to make guns from an unsuitable material, when it appears 3D CNCs could makes guns from much harder stuff already. Am I missing something? The principle is very similar - designs would be entirely digital and could be exchanged in the same way. Whether you start from a block of steel or a reel of filament, you still need raw material.

Oh, and a momentary reality check: Sigh. Guys like this are dangerous idiots. But inevitable. How sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But there are many, many do-it-yourself CNC projects out there. They&#8217;re also not so expensive. I don&#8217;t understand why groups like this are trying to use 3D printers to make guns from an unsuitable material, when it appears 3D CNCs could makes guns from much harder stuff already. Am I missing something? The principle is very similar &#8211; designs would be entirely digital and could be exchanged in the same way. Whether you start from a block of steel or a reel of filament, you still need raw material.</p>
<p>Oh, and a momentary reality check: Sigh. Guys like this are dangerous idiots. But inevitable. How sad.</p>
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