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	<title>Comments on: Post-&quot;Gangnam Style,&quot; America wakes up to&#160;K-pop</title>
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		<title>By: Beitragschreiber</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1548800</link>
		<dc:creator>Beitragschreiber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 12:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I dont really mind the music. Not a big fan of pop music at all. But its still fun to watch those kpop groups. Despite being factoried the whole industry thing is much more authentic. Kpop Idols dont consider themselve as artist, they are performers. They dont do art, they just do entertainment. Its not like western pop music where most stuff has become so serious but is still stupid beyond believe. Kpop Idols are not considered to be individuals on stage, but when they do interviews, talk shows or game shows, they are all able to show their different characters. While western pop musicians are mostly talking the same dumb crap, once they open their mouth offstage.
Western pop is a huge fake and they cant even admit it, while in Korea everyone knows it is fake, from the very beginning. I think this is why many Pophaters are more tolerant towards Kpop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I dont really mind the music. Not a big fan of pop music at all. But its still fun to watch those kpop groups. Despite being factoried the whole industry thing is much more authentic. Kpop Idols dont consider themselve as artist, they are performers. They dont do art, they just do entertainment. Its not like western pop music where most stuff has become so serious but is still stupid beyond believe. Kpop Idols are not considered to be individuals on stage, but when they do interviews, talk shows or game shows, they are all able to show their different characters. While western pop musicians are mostly talking the same dumb crap, once they open their mouth offstage.<br />
Western pop is a huge fake and they cant even admit it, while in Korea everyone knows it is fake, from the very beginning. I think this is why many Pophaters are more tolerant towards Kpop.</p>
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		<title>By: djcarlito</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1547912</link>
		<dc:creator>djcarlito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for sharing the link - nice to read the full article..  ^_^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for sharing the link &#8211; nice to read the full article..  ^_^</p>
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		<title>By: jmseabrook</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1547871</link>
		<dc:creator>jmseabrook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This piece is in front of the paywall now.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/10/08/121008fa_fact_seabrook</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This piece is in front of the paywall now.<br />
<a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/10/08/121008fa_fact_seabrook" rel="nofollow">http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/10/08/121008fa_fact_seabrook</a></p>
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		<title>By: R_Young</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1547722</link>
		<dc:creator>R_Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 10:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it will then be banned for being offense to the Kazakhstan people, along with Borat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it will then be banned for being offense to the Kazakhstan people, along with Borat.</p>
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		<title>By: R_Young</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1547721</link>
		<dc:creator>R_Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 10:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOTR.


Bam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOTR.</p>
<p>Bam.</p>
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		<title>By: perch</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1546567</link>
		<dc:creator>perch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 17:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t resist and it was much worse than I had imagined. I broke out into hysterics it was so lovably terrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t resist and it was much worse than I had imagined. I broke out into hysterics it was so lovably terrible.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Coe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1546291</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Coe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 05:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am a little embarassed that i read this thread half an hour ago, and in that time have watched 4 2NE1 videos, a couple of them twice. shit is well done for what it is though. production is awesome. and shit, any video with gorgeous korean girls and stormtroopers? sign me up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am a little embarassed that i read this thread half an hour ago, and in that time have watched 4 2NE1 videos, a couple of them twice. shit is well done for what it is though. production is awesome. and shit, any video with gorgeous korean girls and stormtroopers? sign me up.</p>
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		<title>By: djcarlito</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1546267</link>
		<dc:creator>djcarlito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 04:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, the underground stuff is definitely awesome... look at the 80/90s Japanese bands like Hikashu, and singer Jun Togawa, or the Boredoms, the Plastics, Fushitsusha, Zenigeva, etc.. or Japanese hip hop artists like Macka Chin and Twigy and Rhymester... ( that stuff is kinda old school now of course.. i&#039;m way behind on the latest Japanese music - but who isn&#039;t? there is so much music being made over there )  

Still, American tastes are diversifying thanks to independent media/radio/youtube and sites like this.... and Americans might also get a hold of whatever those new, modern &quot;switched on&quot; Japanese youth are listening to now too.  one can only hope those records will make it over here eventually. 

Not ALL Jpop and Kpop is awful though... but that&#039;s just my personal opinion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, the underground stuff is definitely awesome&#8230; look at the 80/90s Japanese bands like Hikashu, and singer Jun Togawa, or the Boredoms, the Plastics, Fushitsusha, Zenigeva, etc.. or Japanese hip hop artists like Macka Chin and Twigy and Rhymester&#8230; ( that stuff is kinda old school now of course.. i&#8217;m way behind on the latest Japanese music &#8211; but who isn&#8217;t? there is so much music being made over there )  </p>
<p>Still, American tastes are diversifying thanks to independent media/radio/youtube and sites like this&#8230;. and Americans might also get a hold of whatever those new, modern &#8220;switched on&#8221; Japanese youth are listening to now too.  one can only hope those records will make it over here eventually. </p>
<p>Not ALL Jpop and Kpop is awful though&#8230; but that&#8217;s just my personal opinion</p>
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		<title>By: snagglepuss</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1546234</link>
		<dc:creator>snagglepuss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 03:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because I&#039;m still an open-minded and musically-adventurous old fart, I googled &quot;italo disco&quot; and watched six videos.

You&#039;re dead wrong. Disco does indeed still suck, harder than ever, and you owe me half an hour of my life back. I have a possible solution, though. PM me for details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because I&#8217;m still an open-minded and musically-adventurous old fart, I googled &#8220;italo disco&#8221; and watched six videos.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re dead wrong. Disco does indeed still suck, harder than ever, and you owe me half an hour of my life back. I have a possible solution, though. PM me for details.</p>
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		<title>By: FyberOptic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1546197</link>
		<dc:creator>FyberOptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 02:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry but K-pop will remain just as fringe as J-pop and pretty much every other non-American music.  It&#039;s even extremely hard for British pop to make its way over here, and that&#039;s even the same language.  While American movies and music might have a big influence in other countries, the opposite has never really been true.  Occasionally a song from somewhere else will start showing up on the radio and elsewhere, but most of the time when that happens it&#039;s at least still in English.  Very rarely does a non-English song become popular here, with exceptions being something like 99 Luftballoons, and even never really surpassing American songs in terms of popularity.  Gangnam Style is mostly just a fad, one which the majority of Americans still have never heard of, and in a couple of months it&#039;ll be gone.

So as much as I might like certain music from various other countries, we&#039;re never going to hear that kind of stuff on the radio here.  Especially since most of it over there is equally autotuned and synthesized, if not more so, than what we&#039;ve already got over here a dime a dozen.  The American recording industry makes way too much money pumping out our own generic musicians to let other countries butt in on it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry but K-pop will remain just as fringe as J-pop and pretty much every other non-American music.  It&#8217;s even extremely hard for British pop to make its way over here, and that&#8217;s even the same language.  While American movies and music might have a big influence in other countries, the opposite has never really been true.  Occasionally a song from somewhere else will start showing up on the radio and elsewhere, but most of the time when that happens it&#8217;s at least still in English.  Very rarely does a non-English song become popular here, with exceptions being something like 99 Luftballoons, and even never really surpassing American songs in terms of popularity.  Gangnam Style is mostly just a fad, one which the majority of Americans still have never heard of, and in a couple of months it&#8217;ll be gone.</p>
<p>So as much as I might like certain music from various other countries, we&#8217;re never going to hear that kind of stuff on the radio here.  Especially since most of it over there is equally autotuned and synthesized, if not more so, than what we&#8217;ve already got over here a dime a dozen.  The American recording industry makes way too much money pumping out our own generic musicians to let other countries butt in on it.</p>
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		<title>By: teapot</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1546128</link>
		<dc:creator>teapot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 00:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to be &quot;that guy&quot;. J-pop, K-pop and anything else pop related is just awful. There is &lt;i&gt;actual&lt;/i&gt; good music being made in these countries, only to be drowned out by the plastic sheen and sexy women of pop. I cannot speak for Korea but if you were to express an interest in J-pop to switched-on Japanese youth they would seriously laugh at you because J-pop is for high-school kids and OLs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to be &#8220;that guy&#8221;. J-pop, K-pop and anything else pop related is just awful. There is <i>actual</i> good music being made in these countries, only to be drowned out by the plastic sheen and sexy women of pop. I cannot speak for Korea but if you were to express an interest in J-pop to switched-on Japanese youth they would seriously laugh at you because J-pop is for high-school kids and OLs.</p>
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		<title>By: Lilah</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1546130</link>
		<dc:creator>Lilah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 00:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Jpop is very different. In terms of idol groups specifically, what I&#039;ve found is that Japan prefers the &quot;fresh&quot;, energetic, unpolished idol. The girls are cute and upbeat, but not necessarily good singers (some are really just plain awful - see Morning Musume.&#039;s Michishige Sayumi) and the dances tend to be simplistic. Training is not emphasized and some idol girls debut within months of being chosen.

K-pop idols are generally in intensive training programs for years before they are allowed to take the stage. They usually show a more sleek image and and singing and dance routines are more complex and demanding. Also as others have mentioned, there is a much more recognizable western hip-hop influence.

Of course it goes without saying that none of what I wrote is universally true. There are huge differences on both sides. And actually, the Japanese music industry is the second biggest in the world behind the USA, and the Hallyu (&quot;Korean Wave&quot;) took them by storm years ago. Now we are starting to see both pushback and integration. In addition to the many k-groups already active in Japan (everyone in this post except EXO-M has released at least one Japanese single) some newly debuted Japanese groups have an obvious k-pop influence. On the other hand, people were protesting against major tv network Fuji TV  earlier this year for airing too much Korea-centric programming and it has just been announced that Korean artists are banned from Kouhaku Utagassen this year, which is Japan&#039;s biggest and most celebrated annual end of the year music program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Jpop is very different. In terms of idol groups specifically, what I&#8217;ve found is that Japan prefers the &#8220;fresh&#8221;, energetic, unpolished idol. The girls are cute and upbeat, but not necessarily good singers (some are really just plain awful &#8211; see Morning Musume.&#8217;s Michishige Sayumi) and the dances tend to be simplistic. Training is not emphasized and some idol girls debut within months of being chosen.</p>
<p>K-pop idols are generally in intensive training programs for years before they are allowed to take the stage. They usually show a more sleek image and and singing and dance routines are more complex and demanding. Also as others have mentioned, there is a much more recognizable western hip-hop influence.</p>
<p>Of course it goes without saying that none of what I wrote is universally true. There are huge differences on both sides. And actually, the Japanese music industry is the second biggest in the world behind the USA, and the Hallyu (&#8220;Korean Wave&#8221;) took them by storm years ago. Now we are starting to see both pushback and integration. In addition to the many k-groups already active in Japan (everyone in this post except EXO-M has released at least one Japanese single) some newly debuted Japanese groups have an obvious k-pop influence. On the other hand, people were protesting against major tv network Fuji TV  earlier this year for airing too much Korea-centric programming and it has just been announced that Korean artists are banned from Kouhaku Utagassen this year, which is Japan&#8217;s biggest and most celebrated annual end of the year music program.</p>
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		<title>By: A C</title>
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		<dc:creator>A C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 23:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I had seen it all. Learned Japanese since I was like 8, near 30 now, lived in Japan for a few years, the whole bit.

Then I saw PSY. I found a whole new world of music outside metal, J-pop, and everything in between. I thought I hated pop music until I heard this (and yes, I hate J-Pop! Malice Mizer is more my style..)

This post did it for me. I speak English, and Japanese, but not Korean. I work with a young Korean watchmaker, and he turned me onto PSY. Now Xeni got me turned onto K-pop permanently! It&#039;s dancable, catchy, I don&#039;t have to deal with repetitive lyrics of love that I can&#039;t stand (or at least, if they are there, understand), and I get incredibly incredibly hot korean women to look at in incredibly entertaining videos. I get cool style ideas from the men. I can&#039;t find one thing to hate about it!

And to think, if I&#039;d been left without the internets, i&#039;d probably still be listening to shitty Metallica, and not much else. Fuck the DMCA and all that crap- this is what the internet was MADE for. Exposing people to new things and cultures! You kick ass for posting this Xeni.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I had seen it all. Learned Japanese since I was like 8, near 30 now, lived in Japan for a few years, the whole bit.</p>
<p>Then I saw PSY. I found a whole new world of music outside metal, J-pop, and everything in between. I thought I hated pop music until I heard this (and yes, I hate J-Pop! Malice Mizer is more my style..)</p>
<p>This post did it for me. I speak English, and Japanese, but not Korean. I work with a young Korean watchmaker, and he turned me onto PSY. Now Xeni got me turned onto K-pop permanently! It&#8217;s dancable, catchy, I don&#8217;t have to deal with repetitive lyrics of love that I can&#8217;t stand (or at least, if they are there, understand), and I get incredibly incredibly hot korean women to look at in incredibly entertaining videos. I get cool style ideas from the men. I can&#8217;t find one thing to hate about it!</p>
<p>And to think, if I&#8217;d been left without the internets, i&#8217;d probably still be listening to shitty Metallica, and not much else. Fuck the DMCA and all that crap- this is what the internet was MADE for. Exposing people to new things and cultures! You kick ass for posting this Xeni.</p>
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		<title>By: mccrum</title>
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		<dc:creator>mccrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, don&#039;t get me started on the film industry.  Where is the Star Wars of today&#039;s generation?  Don&#039;t they have their own Raiders of the Lost Ark?  Will they ever get something that isn&#039;t a III or IV?  And why can&#039;t we stop making terrible movies of moderately okay television shows?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, don&#8217;t get me started on the film industry.  Where is the Star Wars of today&#8217;s generation?  Don&#8217;t they have their own Raiders of the Lost Ark?  Will they ever get something that isn&#8217;t a III or IV?  And why can&#8217;t we stop making terrible movies of moderately okay television shows?</p>
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		<title>By: lecti</title>
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		<dc:creator>lecti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 22:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh, human singers are so over. Here comes the virtual singers.</description>
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		<title>By: bcsizemo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1545931</link>
		<dc:creator>bcsizemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 21:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently you have never listened to Italo Disco...</description>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1545901</link>
		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J-pop and K-pop are so over. I&#039;m already on to &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-pop&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;L-pop&lt;/a&gt; now. (Note: &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_pop&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;M-pop&lt;/a&gt; is just derivative and pretentious.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J-pop and K-pop are so over. I&#8217;m already on to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-pop" rel="nofollow">L-pop</a> now. (Note: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_pop" rel="nofollow">M-pop</a> is just derivative and pretentious.)</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 20:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I hate to sound old myself, but it&#039;s getting harder and harder to not find a band or artist that couldn&#039;t have been from 20 or 30 years ago.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Remakes have dominated the film industry for several decades.  Car designs are changing at a slower rate.  Clothing is either unchanged or 60s / 70s / 80s retro.  Industry perceives change as costly.  And entertainment is industry, not art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I hate to sound old myself, but it&#8217;s getting harder and harder to not find a band or artist that couldn&#8217;t have been from 20 or 30 years ago.</p></blockquote>
<p>Remakes have dominated the film industry for several decades.  Car designs are changing at a slower rate.  Clothing is either unchanged or 60s / 70s / 80s retro.  Industry perceives change as costly.  And entertainment is industry, not art.</p>
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		<title>By: musesum</title>
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		<dc:creator>musesum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 20:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to be unable to escape the K-Pop gravity well (help!) - was up till 4 this morning following links after the literal Gangnam style post: http://boingboing.net/2012/09/30/gangnam-style-a-literal-m.html, 

which led to the Gangnam featuring HyunaA, which led to her &quot;Bubble Pop&quot;, and then this practice session: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf0iPEjcM44&amp;feature=relmfu 

Sorta reminds me of Tae Kwon do - the moves are so sharp - and so I just searched for &quot;tae kwon do dance&quot; on youtube and found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsIuFpHA-Nk amongst others

If dance could kill - I would die happy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to be unable to escape the K-Pop gravity well (help!) &#8211; was up till 4 this morning following links after the literal Gangnam style post: <a href="http://boingboing.net/2012/09/30/gangnam-style-a-literal-m.html, " rel="nofollow">http://boingboing.net/2012/09/30/gangnam-style-a-literal-m.html, </a></p>
<p>which led to the Gangnam featuring HyunaA, which led to her &#8220;Bubble Pop&#8221;, and then this practice session: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf0iPEjcM44&#038;feature=relmfu " rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf0iPEjcM44&#038;feature=relmfu </a></p>
<p>Sorta reminds me of Tae Kwon do &#8211; the moves are so sharp &#8211; and so I just searched for &#8220;tae kwon do dance&#8221; on youtube and found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsIuFpHA-Nk amongst others</p>
<p>If dance could kill &#8211; I would die happy</p>
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		<title>By: tyger11</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1545857</link>
		<dc:creator>tyger11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 19:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Yeah, I saw GLAM&#039;s first video - pretty good, though not quite in line with f(x) enough for me to be a huge fan. It&#039;s just their first single, though, so we&#039;ll see what else they come out with. Very surprising lyrics considering they&#039;re from S. Korea. D-Unit is another new group that I like so far, and Hello Venus is made up of some very likeable girls (watch their Birth of Venus show online some time; all five episodes are now available subtitled if you don&#039;t know Korean). If you like rappers, you should check out e.via; she&#039;s got some great material, and is called South Korean&#039;s fastest female rapper. There&#039;s a new group called AoA which actually has members who play instruments, which is pretty nice to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Yeah, I saw GLAM&#8217;s first video &#8211; pretty good, though not quite in line with f(x) enough for me to be a huge fan. It&#8217;s just their first single, though, so we&#8217;ll see what else they come out with. Very surprising lyrics considering they&#8217;re from S. Korea. D-Unit is another new group that I like so far, and Hello Venus is made up of some very likeable girls (watch their Birth of Venus show online some time; all five episodes are now available subtitled if you don&#8217;t know Korean). If you like rappers, you should check out e.via; she&#8217;s got some great material, and is called South Korean&#8217;s fastest female rapper. There&#8217;s a new group called AoA which actually has members who play instruments, which is pretty nice to see.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason's Robot</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1545853</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason's Robot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 19:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think, for me, it&#039;s that I like the music and cadence and &#039;vibe&#039; but I have no idea what they&#039;re saying (mostly).  Any of today&#039;s English speaking/singing pop-similar music bugs me because the lyrics are soooo dumb.
I&#039;m pretty sure that&#039;s why I like the non-English stuff more often.  If I understood their dumb lyrics I might be turned off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think, for me, it&#8217;s that I like the music and cadence and &#8216;vibe&#8217; but I have no idea what they&#8217;re saying (mostly).  Any of today&#8217;s English speaking/singing pop-similar music bugs me because the lyrics are soooo dumb.<br />
I&#8217;m pretty sure that&#8217;s why I like the non-English stuff more often.  If I understood their dumb lyrics I might be turned off.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew C</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1545848</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 19:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Gangnam Style&#039;s success is reason enough to hail Kpop as the next major American invasion. While it has many of the same elements that made Brit-pop and the British Invasion of the 90s so successful, Kpop handles them in very different ways.

The fact of the matter is that while some contemporary mainstream Kpop is very good, there&#039;s too much to sift through that isn&#039;t (speaking as an objective Korean music review blogger) and the idol-saturated market doesn&#039;t provide enough legitimate talent to carry the Hallyu Wave that far West. All of the fans that Kpop has in the West are already established Kpop and Korean Indie enthusiasts, while Gangnam Style was primarily a way for most people to enjoy a &quot;funny Asian stereotype&quot; without actually appreciating what the song delivered.

It still seems to me that fans of American pop music, and the American pop music industry in general, isn&#039;t ready to take Asian performers--even ones as satirical in their efforts as Psy--seriously enough to really get invested. The thing about Kpop is that its not just an industry, its an investment, and the dominating American mindset re: Kpop will likely be that nobody has time to remember names they can&#039;t pronounce for groups with members close to or in the double digits. The images and style choices are appropriate for Korean markets, but most Kpop groups would have to sell out and change much of their image to succeed in the west because of shallow thought.

For as much as I would LOVE Kpop to succeed in the North American music market, it won&#039;t happen until interests shift toward taking Kpop seriously enough that it can still retain what makes it fun, but also be regarded as legitimate music and not &quot;those hilarious bands from Korea&quot;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Gangnam Style&#8217;s success is reason enough to hail Kpop as the next major American invasion. While it has many of the same elements that made Brit-pop and the British Invasion of the 90s so successful, Kpop handles them in very different ways.</p>
<p>The fact of the matter is that while some contemporary mainstream Kpop is very good, there&#8217;s too much to sift through that isn&#8217;t (speaking as an objective Korean music review blogger) and the idol-saturated market doesn&#8217;t provide enough legitimate talent to carry the Hallyu Wave that far West. All of the fans that Kpop has in the West are already established Kpop and Korean Indie enthusiasts, while Gangnam Style was primarily a way for most people to enjoy a &#8220;funny Asian stereotype&#8221; without actually appreciating what the song delivered.</p>
<p>It still seems to me that fans of American pop music, and the American pop music industry in general, isn&#8217;t ready to take Asian performers&#8211;even ones as satirical in their efforts as Psy&#8211;seriously enough to really get invested. The thing about Kpop is that its not just an industry, its an investment, and the dominating American mindset re: Kpop will likely be that nobody has time to remember names they can&#8217;t pronounce for groups with members close to or in the double digits. The images and style choices are appropriate for Korean markets, but most Kpop groups would have to sell out and change much of their image to succeed in the west because of shallow thought.</p>
<p>For as much as I would LOVE Kpop to succeed in the North American music market, it won&#8217;t happen until interests shift toward taking Kpop seriously enough that it can still retain what makes it fun, but also be regarded as legitimate music and not &#8220;those hilarious bands from Korea&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Courtney Beadel</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1545845</link>
		<dc:creator>Courtney Beadel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 19:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG, a thousand times yes to f(X)!!!!!

Totally digging GLAM&#039;s XXO (Party) right now as well. If you like f(x), you should check GLAM out. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, a thousand times yes to f(X)!!!!!</p>
<p>Totally digging GLAM&#8217;s XXO (Party) right now as well. If you like f(x), you should check GLAM out. :D</p>
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		<title>By: Improbus Liber</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1545842</link>
		<dc:creator>Improbus Liber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 19:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad I am old so I don&#039;t have to even pretend to like this stuff. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad I am old so I don&#8217;t have to even pretend to like this stuff. </p>
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		<title>By: Xeni Jardin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1545832</link>
		<dc:creator>Xeni Jardin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep!</description>
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		<title>By: jbond</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1545774</link>
		<dc:creator>jbond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of these days K-Pop is going to smash headlong into UK Funky/UK Bass/Future Garage. In somewhere like a club in Kazakhstan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of these days K-Pop is going to smash headlong into UK Funky/UK Bass/Future Garage. In somewhere like a club in Kazakhstan.</p>
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		<title>By: djcarlito</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1545769</link>
		<dc:creator>djcarlito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 17:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>something else to mention here.. Kpop, Jpop (and Bollywood) have already had well established fan bases in South American countries like Peru for years now.

http://www.allkpop.com/2011/05/sm-entertainment-thanks-peruvian-k-pop-fans-for-their-love</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>something else to mention here.. Kpop, Jpop (and Bollywood) have already had well established fan bases in South American countries like Peru for years now.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.allkpop.com/2011/05/sm-entertainment-thanks-peruvian-k-pop-fans-for-their-love" rel="nofollow">http://www.allkpop.com/2011/05/sm-entertainment-thanks-peruvian-k-pop-fans-for-their-love</a></p>
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		<title>By: djcarlito</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1545765</link>
		<dc:creator>djcarlito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 17:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ayumi Hamasaki and Utada Hikaru are also big Jpop artists from the limited knowledge i have of that genre. They had huge international sales also btw. as for some more eccentric Jpop faves... Perfume is also a fun, different, and very listenable JPOP group - http://youtu.be/KReC4pTYmVY - they are produced by Yasutaka Nakata, the same guy who did tracks for Kyary Pamyu Pamyu who is also doing some crazy Jpop stuff these days (see Pon Pon Pon -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzC4hFK5P3g - ) 

- and don&#039;t forget the zany trippy likes of Tomoe Shinohara - - http://youtu.be/ly8bGCWKIUM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ayumi Hamasaki and Utada Hikaru are also big Jpop artists from the limited knowledge i have of that genre. They had huge international sales also btw. as for some more eccentric Jpop faves&#8230; Perfume is also a fun, different, and very listenable JPOP group &#8211; <a href="http://youtu.be/KReC4pTYmVY" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/KReC4pTYmVY</a> - they are produced by Yasutaka Nakata, the same guy who did tracks for Kyary Pamyu Pamyu who is also doing some crazy Jpop stuff these days (see Pon Pon Pon -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzC4hFK5P3g &#8211; ) </p>
<p>- and don&#8217;t forget the zany trippy likes of Tomoe Shinohara &#8211; - http://youtu.be/ly8bGCWKIUM</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel_Wood</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/post-gangnam-style-americ.html#comment-1545758</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel_Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 17:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The original trot / K-pop crossover artist, E-paksa, is also back with a new single. He originated the techno-ponchak style back in the &#039;90&#039;s and even had some success in Japan about a decade ago. People outside of Korea mainly know him from the Pump It Up video games. Hopefully he will get greater traction in the US on Psy&#039;s coattails.
http://youtu.be/weV5BzmoCJ8</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original trot / K-pop crossover artist, E-paksa, is also back with a new single. He originated the techno-ponchak style back in the &#8217;90&#8242;s and even had some success in Japan about a decade ago. People outside of Korea mainly know him from the Pump It Up video games. Hopefully he will get greater traction in the US on Psy&#8217;s coattails.<br />
<a href="http://youtu.be/weV5BzmoCJ8" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/weV5BzmoCJ8</a></p>
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		<title>By: andyhavens</title>
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		<dc:creator>andyhavens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 17:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ETEWAF</description>
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