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		<title>By: RevelryByNight</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/exploration-day-columbus-day.html#comment-1550594</link>
		<dc:creator>RevelryByNight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 21:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your comment was TL;DR for someone, there&#039;s no way in hell they&#039;ll get through Heart of Darkness.</description>
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		<title>By: tsol</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/exploration-day-columbus-day.html#comment-1549435</link>
		<dc:creator>tsol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 01:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Spanish Empire was itself a reaction to the &quot;ongoing colonialist-imperialist activity that wrecked so many native cultures over its hundreds of years of operation&quot; known as the muslim conquests. Al-Andalus has much to answer for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Spanish Empire was itself a reaction to the &#8220;ongoing colonialist-imperialist activity that wrecked so many native cultures over its hundreds of years of operation&#8221; known as the muslim conquests. Al-Andalus has much to answer for.</p>
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		<title>By: tsol</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/exploration-day-columbus-day.html#comment-1549430</link>
		<dc:creator>tsol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 01:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every day Self-Hatred Day for the Left!</description>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 22:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know the Vatican didn&#039;t even support it.  It was Fernando and Ysabel&#039;s private little holocaust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know the Vatican didn&#8217;t even support it.  It was Fernando and Ysabel&#8217;s private little holocaust.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 21:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really get why it&#039;s a popular holidays with Italian Americans given that he had to leave Italy and go to Spain to get backing.  It&#039;s kind of embarrassing actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really get why it&#8217;s a popular holidays with Italian Americans given that he had to leave Italy and go to Spain to get backing.  It&#8217;s kind of embarrassing actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Doyle</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/exploration-day-columbus-day.html#comment-1549133</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a fantastic idea. However, the main reason I don&#039;t think this idea will fly is the attachment that many Italian-Americans have with Columbus Day - I don&#039;t know if you&#039;ve driven around Newark or Brooklyn on Columbus Day, but it&#039;s a pretty important day for many Italians in this country and they&#039;re a pretty influential group. You remember that Sopranos episode, right? ;-) 

Anyway, I REALLY hope this actually happens - I&#039;ve signed the petition and love the concept. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a fantastic idea. However, the main reason I don&#8217;t think this idea will fly is the attachment that many Italian-Americans have with Columbus Day &#8211; I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve driven around Newark or Brooklyn on Columbus Day, but it&#8217;s a pretty important day for many Italians in this country and they&#8217;re a pretty influential group. You remember that Sopranos episode, right? ;-) </p>
<p>Anyway, I REALLY hope this actually happens &#8211; I&#8217;ve signed the petition and love the concept. </p>
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		<title>By: wallflower</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/exploration-day-columbus-day.html#comment-1549025</link>
		<dc:creator>wallflower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 19:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition.</description>
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		<title>By: GeekMan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/exploration-day-columbus-day.html#comment-1548498</link>
		<dc:creator>GeekMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 23:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, we&#039;re not the ones who carved giant faces of our ex-presidents into an entire mountainside. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, we&#8217;re not the ones who carved giant faces of our ex-presidents into an entire mountainside. </p>
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		<title>By: Halloween_Jack</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/exploration-day-columbus-day.html#comment-1548295</link>
		<dc:creator>Halloween_Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There&#039;s too large and vocal a segment who believe that exploration is intrinsically evil because all the time and money spent on it should be spent solving the problems at home. &lt;/blockquote&gt;Vocal? Yes. Large? Not really. Every now and then, someone will pop up and criticize the likes of NASA; William Proxmire, the late senator from Wisconsin, gave one of his Golden Fleece awards to NASA for the SETI program (which he later rescinded). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There&#8217;s too large and vocal a segment who believe that exploration is intrinsically evil because all the time and money spent on it should be spent solving the problems at home. </p></blockquote>
<p>Vocal? Yes. Large? Not really. Every now and then, someone will pop up and criticize the likes of NASA; William Proxmire, the late senator from Wisconsin, gave one of his Golden Fleece awards to NASA for the SETI program (which he later rescinded). </p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Divorced, beheaded, died.  Divorced, beheaded, survived.  Just sayin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Divorced, beheaded, died.  Divorced, beheaded, survived.  Just sayin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 20:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given who bankrolled it, you could also say that it funded the Spanish Inquisition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given who bankrolled it, you could also say that it funded the Spanish Inquisition.</p>
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		<title>By: Inkmatt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/exploration-day-columbus-day.html#comment-1548070</link>
		<dc:creator>Inkmatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 17:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Discovery&quot; refers to unknowledge. To say Columbus &quot;discovered&quot;  America is only to say that Europe didn&#039;t know it existed which, by the 15th century, may well have been true. It is NOT to say others hadn&#039;t done so earlier, or that America didn&#039;t exist before then. (OK, it didn&#039;t exist until after Vespucci&#039;s maps, but that&#039;s another story...)  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Discovery&#8221; refers to unknowledge. To say Columbus &#8220;discovered&#8221;  America is only to say that Europe didn&#8217;t know it existed which, by the 15th century, may well have been true. It is NOT to say others hadn&#8217;t done so earlier, or that America didn&#8217;t exist before then. (OK, it didn&#8217;t exist until after Vespucci&#8217;s maps, but that&#8217;s another story&#8230;)  </p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/exploration-day-columbus-day.html#comment-1548019</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 17:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It wouldn&#039;t be hypocritical of the child to be against rape in general but certainly it would be to be against that *particular* one.&lt;/i&gt;

Then this doesn&#039;t conflict with people in the Americas being against this holiday, just because some of them may not have possibly existed without the arrival of Columbus.  I find this a strange notion anyway tbh.  Somebody else would have come along anyway, just as others had been here before Columbus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It wouldn&#8217;t be hypocritical of the child to be against rape in general but certainly it would be to be against that *particular* one.</i></p>
<p>Then this doesn&#8217;t conflict with people in the Americas being against this holiday, just because some of them may not have possibly existed without the arrival of Columbus.  I find this a strange notion anyway tbh.  Somebody else would have come along anyway, just as others had been here before Columbus.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Badger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Badger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 16:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wouldn&#039;t be hypocritical of the child to be against rape in general but certainly it would be to be against that *particular* one. But then again, what does it really mean to be against a past event anyway? Just to be against similar future ones? After all, that&#039;s the only thing that can have any practical effect.

But yes, it&#039;s true that Columbus Day was really an Italian-American pride day, which made more sense when they were viewed with the same prejudice that hispanics are now and not so much now when they are fully assimilated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wouldn&#8217;t be hypocritical of the child to be against rape in general but certainly it would be to be against that *particular* one. But then again, what does it really mean to be against a past event anyway? Just to be against similar future ones? After all, that&#8217;s the only thing that can have any practical effect.</p>
<p>But yes, it&#8217;s true that Columbus Day was really an Italian-American pride day, which made more sense when they were viewed with the same prejudice that hispanics are now and not so much now when they are fully assimilated.</p>
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		<title>By: Jangocat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jangocat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 16:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your broad generalizations are idiotic. You&#039;re stating YOUR perceptions of historical events, not &quot;you Americans&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your broad generalizations are idiotic. You&#8217;re stating YOUR perceptions of historical events, not &#8220;you Americans&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 16:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I should have mentioned the DNA evidence, that&#039;s actually much more conclusive than the archaeological evidence.  The consilience of the two lines of evidence is more convincing still.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I should have mentioned the DNA evidence, that&#8217;s actually much more conclusive than the archaeological evidence.  The consilience of the two lines of evidence is more convincing still.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/exploration-day-columbus-day.html#comment-1547969</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 16:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;s kind of hypocritical to criticize the event that led to you existing, even like all historical contingencies it led to lots of other people not existing in the present because their ancestors were killed or displaced.&lt;/blockquote&gt;This, if true, would imply that I&#039;m a hypocrite if I criticize anything occurring in my past light cone.  I actually do believe that &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; human beings are moral hypocrites so that isn&#039;t even all that implausible, but it&#039;s certainly not going to stop me from criticizing, say, Nazism just because I probably wouldn&#039;t have been born if Hitler had never come to power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s kind of hypocritical to criticize the event that led to you existing, even like all historical contingencies it led to lots of other people not existing in the present because their ancestors were killed or displaced.</p></blockquote>
<p>This, if true, would imply that I&#8217;m a hypocrite if I criticize anything occurring in my past light cone.  I actually do believe that <em>all</em> human beings are moral hypocrites so that isn&#8217;t even all that implausible, but it&#8217;s certainly not going to stop me from criticizing, say, Nazism just because I probably wouldn&#8217;t have been born if Hitler had never come to power.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 16:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It&#039;s kind of hypocritical to criticize the event that led to you existing, even like all historical contingencies it led to lots of other people not existing in the present because their ancestors were killed or displaced.&lt;/i&gt;

How so?  Would you say the same to a child born of rape or some other horrific situation?

Columbus as a personification of &#039;discovery&#039; is particularly contentious because he was *just* so unbelievably despicable, evil and cruel, &lt;i&gt;even for his time&lt;/i&gt;, which the writings of Bartolomé de las Casas certainly attest to.

The origins of the holiday in the U.S. are almost exclusively because of Italian Catholics which itself seems to have been somewhat of a response to WASP bigotry toward Catholic immigrants. I won&#039;t even get into the way this holiday helps keep alive harmful myths of superiority, manifest destiny etc. etc...

Lots of bad juju stinking up this holiday.  I&#039;d be happy to see it go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It&#8217;s kind of hypocritical to criticize the event that led to you existing, even like all historical contingencies it led to lots of other people not existing in the present because their ancestors were killed or displaced.</i></p>
<p>How so?  Would you say the same to a child born of rape or some other horrific situation?</p>
<p>Columbus as a personification of &#8216;discovery&#8217; is particularly contentious because he was *just* so unbelievably despicable, evil and cruel, <i>even for his time</i>, which the writings of Bartolomé de las Casas certainly attest to.</p>
<p>The origins of the holiday in the U.S. are almost exclusively because of Italian Catholics which itself seems to have been somewhat of a response to WASP bigotry toward Catholic immigrants. I won&#8217;t even get into the way this holiday helps keep alive harmful myths of superiority, manifest destiny etc. etc&#8230;</p>
<p>Lots of bad juju stinking up this holiday.  I&#8217;d be happy to see it go.</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 16:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could look at it that way, or you could look at &quot;indigenous people&quot; as the descendants of the &lt;em&gt;first&lt;/em&gt; explorers.

Either way I think they deserve remembrance more than a guy with bad navigational skills who began the wholesale destruction of their society. They lost their lives, their land and their culture to the European settlers, the least we can do is have a day to acknowledge that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could look at it that way, or you could look at &#8220;indigenous people&#8221; as the descendants of the <em>first</em> explorers.</p>
<p>Either way I think they deserve remembrance more than a guy with bad navigational skills who began the wholesale destruction of their society. They lost their lives, their land and their culture to the European settlers, the least we can do is have a day to acknowledge that.</p>
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		<title>By: AnthonyC</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnthonyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn&#039;t even Euro-centric, because the Vikings got here first.</description>
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		<title>By: GeekMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeekMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oi, good luck with that.

I&#039;m not saying this isn&#039;t a most worthy endeavour, but the thing about you Americans is that you&#039;ve mythologized your history to make it easily digestible. The Boston Tea Party! Paul Revere rides at midnight: &quot;The British are coming! The British are coming!&quot; Ben Franklin flies a kite during a lightning storm. Ooo-aah. And of course: &quot;In fourteen-hundred and ninety-two, Columbus sailed the ocean blue...&quot;

The up side to this sensationalist spin on historical fact is that it produces these iconic images which stick in people&#039;s minds, thus history sticks in people&#039;s minds. The downside is that it makes Columbus part of some sort of Olympian-esque American pantheon. And even if it&#039;s well-documented that Columbus was not a great guy, and that our worship of him is Euro-centric and colonial-imperialist, it&#039;s going to be a tough thing taking him down off that pedestal. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oi, good luck with that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying this isn&#8217;t a most worthy endeavour, but the thing about you Americans is that you&#8217;ve mythologized your history to make it easily digestible. The Boston Tea Party! Paul Revere rides at midnight: &#8220;The British are coming! The British are coming!&#8221; Ben Franklin flies a kite during a lightning storm. Ooo-aah. And of course: &#8220;In fourteen-hundred and ninety-two, Columbus sailed the ocean blue&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The up side to this sensationalist spin on historical fact is that it produces these iconic images which stick in people&#8217;s minds, thus history sticks in people&#8217;s minds. The downside is that it makes Columbus part of some sort of Olympian-esque American pantheon. And even if it&#8217;s well-documented that Columbus was not a great guy, and that our worship of him is Euro-centric and colonial-imperialist, it&#8217;s going to be a tough thing taking him down off that pedestal. </p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Badger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Badger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. The difference is Fawke failed to bring about a Catholic-inspired terrorist act in England and people are celebrating that failure (well, to the level that they think about the reason behind the celebration at all those days). Columbus succeeded, and while lamenting the human cost, all present Americans live in a world created by his actions, even those partly descended from pre-Columbian peoples and people whose ancestors came long after the colonial period. It&#039;s kind of hypocritical to criticize the event that led to you existing, even like all historical contingencies it led to lots of other people not existing in the present because their ancestors were killed or displaced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. The difference is Fawke failed to bring about a Catholic-inspired terrorist act in England and people are celebrating that failure (well, to the level that they think about the reason behind the celebration at all those days). Columbus succeeded, and while lamenting the human cost, all present Americans live in a world created by his actions, even those partly descended from pre-Columbian peoples and people whose ancestors came long after the colonial period. It&#8217;s kind of hypocritical to criticize the event that led to you existing, even like all historical contingencies it led to lots of other people not existing in the present because their ancestors were killed or displaced.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/exploration-day-columbus-day.html#comment-1547909</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> But all those &quot;New World&quot; resources absolutely founded a lot of European wealth, banking and so on.  Even if it didn&#039;t really &#039;trickle down&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> But all those &#8220;New World&#8221; resources absolutely founded a lot of European wealth, banking and so on.  Even if it didn&#8217;t really &#8216;trickle down&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: karlfrankjr</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/exploration-day-columbus-day.html#comment-1547892</link>
		<dc:creator>karlfrankjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And some pretty good DNA evidence as well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And some pretty good DNA evidence as well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/exploration-day-columbus-day.html#comment-1547875</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t we just have Columbus Day but think of it the same way the British think of Guy Fawkes Day? 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t we just have Columbus Day but think of it the same way the British think of Guy Fawkes Day? </p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Krause</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/exploration-day-columbus-day.html#comment-1547872</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Krause</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; really all about the astrolabe and scientific curiosity, didn&#039;t you know? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it <i>was</i> really all about the astrolabe and scientific curiosity, didn&#8217;t you know? </p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/exploration-day-columbus-day.html#comment-1547873</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no &quot;hard facts&quot; in science -- all conclusions are contingent on the possibility of future evidence against.  On the other hand, there is plenty of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlement_of_the_Americas#Timeline_of_selected_archaeological.2C_geological_and_genetic_evidence&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;archaeological evidence&lt;/a&gt; for migration through the Bering strait.  Given the lack of plausible alternative hypotheses and the robust evidence for the Bering strait hypothesis, it is indeed a fact just like evolution, gravity, and plate tectonics are all facts despite also being &quot;theories&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no &#8220;hard facts&#8221; in science &#8212; all conclusions are contingent on the possibility of future evidence against.  On the other hand, there is plenty of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlement_of_the_Americas#Timeline_of_selected_archaeological.2C_geological_and_genetic_evidence" rel="nofollow">archaeological evidence</a> for migration through the Bering strait.  Given the lack of plausible alternative hypotheses and the robust evidence for the Bering strait hypothesis, it is indeed a fact just like evolution, gravity, and plate tectonics are all facts despite also being &#8220;theories&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Krause</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/exploration-day-columbus-day.html#comment-1547870</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Krause</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, but it tends not to end with the body count, dispossessions, forcible conversions, appropriated treasure, etc., that colonialist explorations often did, and toward which all tended. That&#039;s not really the same with, say, Shackleton or the Curiosity probe: Antarctica wasn&#039;t divorced from the British Empire&#039;s expansionist drive, nor is Curiosity free from American militarism (in space!), but I&#039;m not seeing the massive dead native populations that resulted (or will, or could result) from these.

TLDR, read Joseph Conrad and get back to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, but it tends not to end with the body count, dispossessions, forcible conversions, appropriated treasure, etc., that colonialist explorations often did, and toward which all tended. That&#8217;s not really the same with, say, Shackleton or the Curiosity probe: Antarctica wasn&#8217;t divorced from the British Empire&#8217;s expansionist drive, nor is Curiosity free from American militarism (in space!), but I&#8217;m not seeing the massive dead native populations that resulted (or will, or could result) from these.</p>
<p>TLDR, read Joseph Conrad and get back to me.</p>
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		<title>By: IronEdithKidd</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/exploration-day-columbus-day.html#comment-1547844</link>
		<dc:creator>IronEdithKidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 13:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, so did I.  It must be because the words &quot;Columbus Day&quot; followed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, so did I.  It must be because the words &#8220;Columbus Day&#8221; followed.</p>
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		<title>By: kcmpls</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/exploration-day-columbus-day.html#comment-1547830</link>
		<dc:creator>kcmpls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 13:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always forget about Columbus Day. As a government employee we get holidays off. So, Veteran&#039;s Day? I know when Veteran&#039;s Day is. Somewhere along the way the State of Minnesota &quot;traded&quot; Columbus Day for the day after Thanksgiving and now work on Columbus Day. Which is great. No offending our large Native American population and I can get drunk with my family at Thanksgiving. Win-Win for everyone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always forget about Columbus Day. As a government employee we get holidays off. So, Veteran&#8217;s Day? I know when Veteran&#8217;s Day is. Somewhere along the way the State of Minnesota &#8220;traded&#8221; Columbus Day for the day after Thanksgiving and now work on Columbus Day. Which is great. No offending our large Native American population and I can get drunk with my family at Thanksgiving. Win-Win for everyone!</p>
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