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		<title>By: Sekino</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/ikea-to-women-we-regret-a.html#comment-1549223</link>
		<dc:creator>Sekino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 21:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not daft, Mantissa. I run a small business myself.

I believe that a large part of the system that allows corporations to be completely inhuman is the public, along with the people who are supposed to represent them, giving up on holding them accountable.

Being mad at some foreign countries for the hypocrisy and dishonesty of our OWN business system is not something I&#039;m comfortable doing. I have enough reasons to resent SA without blaming them for the ills of our runaway capitalist system. I can&#039;t in good faith expect Saudi Arabia to utterly change their system while we stare idly at our own messes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not daft, Mantissa. I run a small business myself.</p>
<p>I believe that a large part of the system that allows corporations to be completely inhuman is the public, along with the people who are supposed to represent them, giving up on holding them accountable.</p>
<p>Being mad at some foreign countries for the hypocrisy and dishonesty of our OWN business system is not something I&#8217;m comfortable doing. I have enough reasons to resent SA without blaming them for the ills of our runaway capitalist system. I can&#8217;t in good faith expect Saudi Arabia to utterly change their system while we stare idly at our own messes.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/ikea-to-women-we-regret-a.html#comment-1549191</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 21:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The company holds no values other than its primary fiduciary duty.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Why should they do otherwise when they have people like you to act as apologists for them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The company holds no values other than its primary fiduciary duty.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why should they do otherwise when they have people like you to act as apologists for them?</p>
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		<title>By: Mantissa128</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/ikea-to-women-we-regret-a.html#comment-1549092</link>
		<dc:creator>Mantissa128</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 20:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anything a public company says that isn&#039;t &quot;we will do anything we legally can to return value to our shareholders&quot; is a lie. The links and their content is meaningless, Seniko - you understand that they&#039;re written by an ad agency, right? &lt;i&gt;The company holds no values other than its primary fiduciary duty.&lt;/i&gt; 

Don&#039;t get me wrong - I hate that. It&#039;s inhuman. Capitalism sucks. But for heaven&#039;s sake, whatever you do don&#039;t delude yourself that promises of good behaviour count for anything in capitalism or politics.

I refuse to hate the corporations. I hate the system that makes them all fundamentally the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anything a public company says that isn&#8217;t &#8220;we will do anything we legally can to return value to our shareholders&#8221; is a lie. The links and their content is meaningless, Seniko &#8211; you understand that they&#8217;re written by an ad agency, right? <i>The company holds no values other than its primary fiduciary duty.</i> </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8211; I hate that. It&#8217;s inhuman. Capitalism sucks. But for heaven&#8217;s sake, whatever you do don&#8217;t delude yourself that promises of good behaviour count for anything in capitalism or politics.</p>
<p>I refuse to hate the corporations. I hate the system that makes them all fundamentally the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Pies</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/ikea-to-women-we-regret-a.html#comment-1548736</link>
		<dc:creator>Pies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 08:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s because Saudi Arabia is not a liberal democracy. I&#039;m all for voting rights for women and equality in general, but that&#039;s not how they roll and there&#039;s not much we can do about it, except perhaps for education - also known as indoctrination - in modern liberal values.


Keep in mind that no country is perfect. In most modern democracies people under the age of 18 aren&#039;t allowed to vote. In most places gay people aren&#039;t allowed to marry and get the same benefits as straight folks. US has never had an openly atheist president, or a woman president for that matter.

The point is that SA society has its rules and Ikea conforms to those rules. That&#039;s not a Saudi idea, that&#039;s a worldwide rule for businesses. In China you don&#039;t speak about Tiananmen Square, in US you don&#039;t show tits or say that it&#039;s not the best country in the world, in SA you don&#039;t show feet or women&#039;s skin, in Poland you don&#039;t desecrate a cross, in Italy you don&#039;t say bad things about the president, in Germany you don&#039;t show any Nazi-related imagery. None of those limitations are Ikea&#039;s fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s because Saudi Arabia is not a liberal democracy. I&#8217;m all for voting rights for women and equality in general, but that&#8217;s not how they roll and there&#8217;s not much we can do about it, except perhaps for education &#8211; also known as indoctrination &#8211; in modern liberal values.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that no country is perfect. In most modern democracies people under the age of 18 aren&#8217;t allowed to vote. In most places gay people aren&#8217;t allowed to marry and get the same benefits as straight folks. US has never had an openly atheist president, or a woman president for that matter.</p>
<p>The point is that SA society has its rules and Ikea conforms to those rules. That&#8217;s not a Saudi idea, that&#8217;s a worldwide rule for businesses. In China you don&#8217;t speak about Tiananmen Square, in US you don&#8217;t show tits or say that it&#8217;s not the best country in the world, in SA you don&#8217;t show feet or women&#8217;s skin, in Poland you don&#8217;t desecrate a cross, in Italy you don&#8217;t say bad things about the president, in Germany you don&#8217;t show any Nazi-related imagery. None of those limitations are Ikea&#8217;s fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/ikea-to-women-we-regret-a.html#comment-1548322</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 21:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I just wish we could get back to buying furniture and eating sandwiches without having to research the companies&#039; opinions on different political topics...&lt;/blockquote&gt;Lots of people do that.  It&#039;s called skating on privilege.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I just wish we could get back to buying furniture and eating sandwiches without having to research the companies&#8217; opinions on different political topics&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Lots of people do that.  It&#8217;s called skating on privilege.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/ikea-to-women-we-regret-a.html#comment-1548216</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 19:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you miss the point that half of the population of Saudi Arabia has no say in those rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you miss the point that half of the population of Saudi Arabia has no say in those rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick McGorrill</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/ikea-to-women-we-regret-a.html#comment-1548140</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick McGorrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 18:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know in Ace Ventura when Jim Carrey uses his butt as a puppet to talk to people? That&#039;s disrespectful no matter how you do it, but it would definitely be more rude if his butt were naked, right? I think it&#039;s kind of like that. 
Which just further proves how much better the world would be without this prudery. More bare feet AND more butt puppetry and more of ALL the good things. How cultural relativists ignore the intrinsic value of nudity and butts and etc, it is beyond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know in Ace Ventura when Jim Carrey uses his butt as a puppet to talk to people? That&#8217;s disrespectful no matter how you do it, but it would definitely be more rude if his butt were naked, right? I think it&#8217;s kind of like that.<br />
Which just further proves how much better the world would be without this prudery. More bare feet AND more butt puppetry and more of ALL the good things. How cultural relativists ignore the intrinsic value of nudity and butts and etc, it is beyond me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Roberts</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/ikea-to-women-we-regret-a.html#comment-1548022</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 17:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d always heard that that posture was very insulting in Arabic culture - essentially putting everyone else in the room beneath your feet. Why would putting socks on change anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d always heard that that posture was very insulting in Arabic culture &#8211; essentially putting everyone else in the room beneath your feet. Why would putting socks on change anything?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Roberts</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/ikea-to-women-we-regret-a.html#comment-1548007</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally like their furniture - it&#039;s pretty practical and usually stronger and more versatile than comparably priced stuff that&#039;s available to me. I just wish we could get back to buying furniture and eating sandwiches without having to research the companies&#039; opinions on different political topics, let alone having them forced down our throats.

(BTW, I&#039;m not denying that choosing where we spend our money is a complex topic or that you may have actual objections to IKEA&#039;s aesthetic, I just hear a lot of &#039;Product X is rubbish because the company has a poor policy on Y&#039;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally like their furniture &#8211; it&#8217;s pretty practical and usually stronger and more versatile than comparably priced stuff that&#8217;s available to me. I just wish we could get back to buying furniture and eating sandwiches without having to research the companies&#8217; opinions on different political topics, let alone having them forced down our throats.</p>
<p>(BTW, I&#8217;m not denying that choosing where we spend our money is a complex topic or that you may have actual objections to IKEA&#8217;s aesthetic, I just hear a lot of &#8216;Product X is rubbish because the company has a poor policy on Y&#8217;)</p>
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		<title>By: Sekino</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/ikea-to-women-we-regret-a.html#comment-1547980</link>
		<dc:creator>Sekino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 16:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;No, you can&#039;t. A corporation does not have standards, or principles, or morals, or ethics.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh yeah? I see a lot of principles and standards here:

http://www.ikea.com/ms/en_CA/the_ikea_story/people_and_the_environment/women_change_the_world.html

http://www.ikea.com/ms/en_GB/about_ikea/our_responsibility/partnerships/index.html

http://www.ikea.com/ms/en_US/about_ikea/the_ikea_way/swedish_heritage/index.html

If a company goes out of its way to shine sunlight up my ass, the least I&#039;m going to do is hold them to their word. Standards DO exist. Even corporations aren&#039;t supposed to misrepresent their products or ethos (even though most do) just to make a sale.

BTW, I am already angry at Saudi Arabia, but that&#039;s completely beside the point: I fail to remember a single assurance from Saudi Arabia that they would treat their citizens as human beings. IKEA on the other hand (see links above)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No, you can&#8217;t. A corporation does not have standards, or principles, or morals, or ethics.</i></p>
<p>Oh yeah? I see a lot of principles and standards here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ikea.com/ms/en_CA/the_ikea_story/people_and_the_environment/women_change_the_world.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ikea.com/ms/en_CA/the_ikea_story/people_and_the_environment/women_change_the_world.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ikea.com/ms/en_GB/about_ikea/our_responsibility/partnerships/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ikea.com/ms/en_GB/about_ikea/our_responsibility/partnerships/index.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ikea.com/ms/en_US/about_ikea/the_ikea_way/swedish_heritage/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ikea.com/ms/en_US/about_ikea/the_ikea_way/swedish_heritage/index.html</a></p>
<p>If a company goes out of its way to shine sunlight up my ass, the least I&#8217;m going to do is hold them to their word. Standards DO exist. Even corporations aren&#8217;t supposed to misrepresent their products or ethos (even though most do) just to make a sale.</p>
<p>BTW, I am already angry at Saudi Arabia, but that&#8217;s completely beside the point: I fail to remember a single assurance from Saudi Arabia that they would treat their citizens as human beings. IKEA on the other hand (see links above)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mantissa128</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/ikea-to-women-we-regret-a.html#comment-1547917</link>
		<dc:creator>Mantissa128</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, you can&#039;t. A corporation does not have standards, or principles, or morals, or ethics. It&#039;s there to return value to its shareholders, and if it were legal to grind up kittens and babies and you could make money from that, they would.

As others have suggested, if you want to be mad, be mad at Saudi culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you can&#8217;t. A corporation does not have standards, or principles, or morals, or ethics. It&#8217;s there to return value to its shareholders, and if it were legal to grind up kittens and babies and you could make money from that, they would.</p>
<p>As others have suggested, if you want to be mad, be mad at Saudi culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Ipo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/ikea-to-women-we-regret-a.html#comment-1547809</link>
		<dc:creator>Ipo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 13:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> They do use Arabic numerals in Arabia.  
Sometimes &quot;arabic numerals&quot; is written in lower case to distinguish it from &quot;Arabic numerals&quot; as the numerals specific to the Arabs.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> They do use Arabic numerals in Arabia. <br />
Sometimes &#8220;arabic numerals&#8221; is written in lower case to distinguish it from &#8220;Arabic numerals&#8221; as the numerals specific to the Arabs.  </p>
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		<title>By: blueelm</title>
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		<dc:creator>blueelm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 11:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re surprised S.A. generates enough revenue? Man, there are some very very rich people there. They can afford better than IKEA furniture, Toy watches, all kinds of crazy stuff. And they LOVE buying it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re surprised S.A. generates enough revenue? Man, there are some very very rich people there. They can afford better than IKEA furniture, Toy watches, all kinds of crazy stuff. And they LOVE buying it too.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick h. lauke</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick h. lauke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 11:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everybody doing business in/with Saudi does this sort of thing to a degree. From my past experience working in a university, we used to have to be very careful about any photographs in the prospectus...covering up as much skin as possible. No short sleeves, short skirts, etc. In one instance, a few photos were deemed to risque&#039; in the final product, and staff had to manually gaffer-tape over certain images for each physical copy of the prospectus being sent to Saudi enquirers.
It seems that the rules have simply become much more strict/obtuse, and Ikea took the decision to avoid the whole hassle (reshooting/reprinting) by simply removing women altogether. A bit of a nuclear option, but certainly not the only company doing this. Have to say that most of the comment here amuse me to no end...they should have done this, and that, and not do business with Saudi, etc. Wake up people, EVERYBODY does this, it&#039;s just that in this case they got publicised on BB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody doing business in/with Saudi does this sort of thing to a degree. From my past experience working in a university, we used to have to be very careful about any photographs in the prospectus&#8230;covering up as much skin as possible. No short sleeves, short skirts, etc. In one instance, a few photos were deemed to risque&#8217; in the final product, and staff had to manually gaffer-tape over certain images for each physical copy of the prospectus being sent to Saudi enquirers.<br />
It seems that the rules have simply become much more strict/obtuse, and Ikea took the decision to avoid the whole hassle (reshooting/reprinting) by simply removing women altogether. A bit of a nuclear option, but certainly not the only company doing this. Have to say that most of the comment here amuse me to no end&#8230;they should have done this, and that, and not do business with Saudi, etc. Wake up people, EVERYBODY does this, it&#8217;s just that in this case they got publicised on BB.</p>
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		<title>By: Pies</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/ikea-to-women-we-regret-a.html#comment-1547751</link>
		<dc:creator>Pies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 11:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Precisely. Every society has its limits of accepted speech and just because Saudi Arabia has different rules than most of the &quot;civilized&quot; world doesn&#039;t mean they shouldn&#039;t have the right to enforce them. Sure, I&#039;d like every country in the world to be a liberal democracy, but that&#039;s not what we currently have to deal with. In the US violence is far more acceptable than sex, does that make more sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Precisely. Every society has its limits of accepted speech and just because Saudi Arabia has different rules than most of the &#8220;civilized&#8221; world doesn&#8217;t mean they shouldn&#8217;t have the right to enforce them. Sure, I&#8217;d like every country in the world to be a liberal democracy, but that&#8217;s not what we currently have to deal with. In the US violence is far more acceptable than sex, does that make more sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Eliot Lyons</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/ikea-to-women-we-regret-a.html#comment-1547265</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliot Lyons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 23:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Could you please update the original post with this info? It&#039;s really misleading to blame Ikea entirely when it was a company working under them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Could you please update the original post with this info? It&#8217;s really misleading to blame Ikea entirely when it was a company working under them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eliot Lyons</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/ikea-to-women-we-regret-a.html#comment-1547255</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliot Lyons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 23:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> You know, you&#039;re right. Or Re-shoot with Saudi women dressed in the cultural garb. I&#039;d really be interested to see what people of all cultures in a stock Ikea catalog. It&#039;s a worldwide company, why not have a worldwide selection of customers enjoying their products?

 would have solved everything, just leave out the free world&#039;s section when you send it to places like that &quot;Nope, no oogling American women&#039;s faces, this aint the Sear&#039;s bra and panties sale!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> You know, you&#8217;re right. Or Re-shoot with Saudi women dressed in the cultural garb. I&#8217;d really be interested to see what people of all cultures in a stock Ikea catalog. It&#8217;s a worldwide company, why not have a worldwide selection of customers enjoying their products?</p>
<p> would have solved everything, just leave out the free world&#8217;s section when you send it to places like that &#8220;Nope, no oogling American women&#8217;s faces, this aint the Sear&#8217;s bra and panties sale!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mrtut</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrtut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 22:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy did you see the *SWEDISH* version of the catalogue  o.0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy did you see the *SWEDISH* version of the catalogue  o.0</p>
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		<title>By: Eliot Lyons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eliot Lyons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 22:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I&#039;ll bet you picket at Wal-Mart while also being Anti-Union. How does it feel to have someone assume things about you?

Me, I&#039;m an interesting mix of left and right, but Romney is the biggest red flag i have seen since Palin, further evidence that the republican party is loosing its marbles (or just refusing to take this seriously at all.)

I&#039;d vote for Obama every day of the week and twice on Sundays (I&#039;ve got nothing else to do on Sundays.)

 Frankly, joking or not, my politics should have no bearing on the fact that people are whining and complaining about Ikea&#039;s actions when the focus here should be on Saudi Arabia&#039;s actions. Joking or not, I&#039;m insulted.

Continuing this doesn&#039;t fix anything, and makes the struggle for women in Saudi Arabia look trivial or comical.

You cannot vilify a company for doing what they can to attract customers. You can vilify a country for being evil.

Look at it this way: Ikea didn&#039;t give money to anti-gay organizations in the USA. There&#039;s something to be outraged about.

(Updating the post with pictures since I first read it honestly makes this even more comical. Its funny. Haha. now you&#039;ve turned a serious human rights issue into a photoshop joke.)

To everyone that&#039;s replied: Yes, they handled it poorly. Now let that be something to spark more debate, contact someone in your government, make this into a big thing about Saudi Arabia, pressure the UN to pressure them. But lay off Ikea.

Heck, it wasn&#039;t even the main company, the Saudi Arabia branch is a franchisee that might have just done it without consulting the people upstairs.

Sheesh, I don&#039;t even like their furniture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;ll bet you picket at Wal-Mart while also being Anti-Union. How does it feel to have someone assume things about you?</p>
<p>Me, I&#8217;m an interesting mix of left and right, but Romney is the biggest red flag i have seen since Palin, further evidence that the republican party is loosing its marbles (or just refusing to take this seriously at all.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;d vote for Obama every day of the week and twice on Sundays (I&#8217;ve got nothing else to do on Sundays.)</p>
<p> Frankly, joking or not, my politics should have no bearing on the fact that people are whining and complaining about Ikea&#8217;s actions when the focus here should be on Saudi Arabia&#8217;s actions. Joking or not, I&#8217;m insulted.</p>
<p>Continuing this doesn&#8217;t fix anything, and makes the struggle for women in Saudi Arabia look trivial or comical.</p>
<p>You cannot vilify a company for doing what they can to attract customers. You can vilify a country for being evil.</p>
<p>Look at it this way: Ikea didn&#8217;t give money to anti-gay organizations in the USA. There&#8217;s something to be outraged about.</p>
<p>(Updating the post with pictures since I first read it honestly makes this even more comical. Its funny. Haha. now you&#8217;ve turned a serious human rights issue into a photoshop joke.)</p>
<p>To everyone that&#8217;s replied: Yes, they handled it poorly. Now let that be something to spark more debate, contact someone in your government, make this into a big thing about Saudi Arabia, pressure the UN to pressure them. But lay off Ikea.</p>
<p>Heck, it wasn&#8217;t even the main company, the Saudi Arabia branch is a franchisee that might have just done it without consulting the people upstairs.</p>
<p>Sheesh, I don&#8217;t even like their furniture.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 21:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Arabic&quot; numerals are Indian.

Kind of like how American Indians aren&#039;t actually from India.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Arabic&#8221; numerals are Indian.</p>
<p>Kind of like how American Indians aren&#8217;t actually from India.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 21:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean catalogs don&#039;t just use casual snapshots submitted by readers?  Well, now I don&#039;t know what to think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean catalogs don&#8217;t just use casual snapshots submitted by readers?  Well, now I don&#8217;t know what to think.</p>
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		<title>By: MarlboroTestMonkey7</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarlboroTestMonkey7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 20:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also:  MEATBALLS now KIBBEH </description>
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		<title>By: Orion Salvaje</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orion Salvaje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 20:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they were building that in Saudi Arabia they would need 400000 square socks</description>
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		<title>By: Patrick McGorrill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick McGorrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 20:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently no one is concerned about the socks? I don&#039;t like misogyny either, but this thing against feet is also very backwards. Join the modern world people; cast off your footwear of oppression!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently no one is concerned about the socks? I don&#8217;t like misogyny either, but this thing against feet is also very backwards. Join the modern world people; cast off your footwear of oppression!</p>
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		<title>By: Alenônimo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alenônimo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 19:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only they added socks to the second image. They removed the earrings, changed the shirt and what was clearly a women now looks like a man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only they added socks to the second image. They removed the earrings, changed the shirt and what was clearly a women now looks like a man.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 19:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one here was the biggest one in North America prior to an even bigger one opening in Montreal apparently.  400,000 square feet.  It really is strange and disorienting, and worst of all:  always incredibly crowded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one here was the biggest one in North America prior to an even bigger one opening in Montreal apparently.  400,000 square feet.  It really is strange and disorienting, and worst of all:  always incredibly crowded.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 19:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t know about the wood.  It&#039;s generally kind of lame that they seem to tout progressive Scandinavian notions/standards, but don&#039;t really adhere to them very well in other countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know about the wood.  It&#8217;s generally kind of lame that they seem to tout progressive Scandinavian notions/standards, but don&#8217;t really adhere to them very well in other countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Onymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen Onymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 19:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Gotta say I heard the same thing about their Nottingham store; a friend of mine wrote a short story in mock-Biblical prose about a day spent there (complete with commentary on the hugeness of the place, the massive lines, and the joy of buying flatpack stuff that turns out to be longer than your car&#039;s available interior space).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Gotta say I heard the same thing about their Nottingham store; a friend of mine wrote a short story in mock-Biblical prose about a day spent there (complete with commentary on the hugeness of the place, the massive lines, and the joy of buying flatpack stuff that turns out to be longer than your car&#8217;s available interior space).</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Onymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen Onymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 19:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Nevin,

To be fair, I&#039;m also not a fan of Ikea&#039;s corporate practices in other areas. You left out that they also got burned over the whole &quot;sustainable wood&quot; thing--if you recall, they got caught using non-rainforest-safe wood for a bunch of items and they blamed &quot;downstream providers.&quot;  Come to think of it, that&#039;s sort of the same excuse that Ikea is using now.  Ditto for all of their toys being &quot;safe&quot; and pimping the whole &quot;if it&#039;s in a Swedish store it must be up to Swedish standards&quot; thing.  Living case in point:  My Mom picked up some blocks there, meant for children under 2.  When she got home with them, they were made in Thailand and had been painted with who-knows-what; no notices on the package RE lead-free paint, etc.  A few days later, the &quot;Ikea toy story&quot; broke on the news, much to our non-surprise.  FWIW, she kept the blocks to use as props for her science class but they didn&#039;t go to the original kiddies as intended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Nevin,</p>
<p>To be fair, I&#8217;m also not a fan of Ikea&#8217;s corporate practices in other areas. You left out that they also got burned over the whole &#8220;sustainable wood&#8221; thing&#8211;if you recall, they got caught using non-rainforest-safe wood for a bunch of items and they blamed &#8220;downstream providers.&#8221;  Come to think of it, that&#8217;s sort of the same excuse that Ikea is using now.  Ditto for all of their toys being &#8220;safe&#8221; and pimping the whole &#8220;if it&#8217;s in a Swedish store it must be up to Swedish standards&#8221; thing.  Living case in point:  My Mom picked up some blocks there, meant for children under 2.  When she got home with them, they were made in Thailand and had been painted with who-knows-what; no notices on the package RE lead-free paint, etc.  A few days later, the &#8220;Ikea toy story&#8221; broke on the news, much to our non-surprise.  FWIW, she kept the blocks to use as props for her science class but they didn&#8217;t go to the original kiddies as intended.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Onymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen Onymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 19:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Chicago,

Thanks for the backup.  I never worked anyplace--or worked WITH anyplace--that didn&#039;t adhere to a style guideline book like it was religion.  Everything from colors to spelling to font size.

On a sidenote, if you want to see a perfect working example of this, work on a Sesame-Street related project.  You never knew just how many regulations there are around Big Bird alone...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Chicago,</p>
<p>Thanks for the backup.  I never worked anyplace&#8211;or worked WITH anyplace&#8211;that didn&#8217;t adhere to a style guideline book like it was religion.  Everything from colors to spelling to font size.</p>
<p>On a sidenote, if you want to see a perfect working example of this, work on a Sesame-Street related project.  You never knew just how many regulations there are around Big Bird alone&#8230;</p>
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