Comments on: Your drugs are tested on Russians

By: Steve Ballantyne

Steve Ballantyne — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 23:21:00 +0000

So Russians are compelled to participate in drug trials because they can’t afford proper medical care? Wow. I mean, embracing capitalism is one thing but isn’t this going a little too far?

Medical care in the Soviet Union was free, albeit not always of the highest quality (to put it mildly).

By: eldueno

eldueno — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 21:20:00 +0000

I suppose in the alternative, drugs should not be tested before they go on the market. That’s what the republicans mean when saying that there should be less govenrment regulations so that busnesses can hire more people and solve the unemployment problem.

By: howaboutthisdangit

howaboutthisdangit — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 17:11:00 +0000

I suspect that fear of lawsuits is one reason, but anticipation of profits is another. No self-respecting profiteer wants to give away drugs in the U.S., where prescription drug prices are the highest in the world. They will wait until the drug goes on market, then extort as much as they can for it.

By: Ramone

Ramone — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:29:00 +0000

“…if it were legal, especially drugs designed to treat cancer, AIDS, and other fatal diseases.” This statement is just not factual. My father was in a clinical trial for drugs AND radiation protocols to treat brain cancer. Several other family members participated in trials for various other life-threatening diseases.

By: Dan Hibiki

Dan Hibiki — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 13:58:00 +0000

And in a far wider variety. Russia tends to get a lot more Phase 3 trials which is when the drug has already gone through the most critical early phases of testing which tend to be done in the states or Western Europe.

Maybe this is quite different in non life saving drugs like this weight loss thing but cancer drugs tend to target the US first.

By: collin boyd

collin boyd — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 13:03:00 +0000

Several points on this issue:
1. Drug companies have to test drugs on russians in order to sell said drugs in russia (part of some Putin inspired law to diversify the russian economy).

2. Most of the drug tests (according to that article) are very low risk tests of new generics. (Most problems with generics are related to quality control of time release coatings… unless the drugs are made in china or the third world). The article clearly states that these are not Phase 1 and 2 studies (those are where they test drugs on humans to see how much they can give an average subject before they have some catastrophic problem like liver or heart failure.

3. For unscrupulous/evil/typical drug companies, Russia is the perfect place to buy data/results that will allow them to sell inert/useless “drugs” in the west (see Zyprexa)

4. Its not that america is so litigious, its that we have rules and protections for research subjects coming down from the feds, medical boards, institutions and finally we do allow people to sue if they are seriously harmed by research. Good luck in russia. You can get sent to a gulag there for singing a song that Putin doesnt like.

By: ando bobando

ando bobando — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 10:22:00 +0000

I had friends in university in Canada who made extra cash by participating in drug trials. I preferred my job at the grocery store but you could make a lot more money in a lot less time if you qualified for a trial!

By: awjt

awjt — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 10:17:00 +0000

I know, right? How could you marry someone like that??? (ba dum boom crash)

By: awjt

awjt — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 10:16:00 +0000

The placebo is strong with this one.

By: Tynam

Tynam — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 09:01:00 +0000

Nonsense. There are plenty of drug trials in the US.

By: lafave

lafave — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 05:15:00 +0000

They most certainly conduct drug trials in the US.

By: sam

sam — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 03:51:00 +0000

X-FILES WAS RIGHT

By: William Lagakos

William Lagakos — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 01:24:00 +0000

Look on the bright side. We’ll know how well the drugs will work if we double our alcohol intake.

By: Antinous / Moderator

Antinous / Moderator — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 00:37:00 +0000

Is that supposed to be comforting? Now I can’t stop thinking of Putin as Moobman.

By: Deidzoeb

Deidzoeb — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 00:36:00 +0000

See, the free market works! ;)

By: Blaven

Blaven — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 00:00:00 +0000

Just because you are a guinea pig in a trial, doesn’t mean you are getting treatment. You might be part of a placebo group, or even worse something else. My wife for a while ran drug trials, and on one of them she wasn’t even giving the experimental drug or a placebo, she was giving the patient large doses of ibuprofen. The study wasn’t to see if the experimental drug was effective, it was to see if it would cause ulcers compared to other forms of risky dosing.

She didn’t last long in that job due to moral concerns.

By: tobymarx

tobymarx — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 23:47:00 +0000

They are most definitely also tested on Americans.

By: Teirhan

Teirhan — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 23:19:00 +0000

Well, not just Russians. most of the clinical trials I know of have sites in russia, south america, and eastern europe as well as a couple token ones in western nations where it’s a little harder to find patients. (I work for a CRO that manages clinical trials for drug companies)

By: Ean Moody

Ean Moody — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 23:18:00 +0000

I think it would be more accurate to say “…but it’s hard to do in a country as litigious as America because untested drugs might hurt people and leave the company liable for damages. It’s also tricky to do in places where there are laws against giving potentially unsafe drugs to anyone, even people dying of terminal diseases.”

I don’t think you’d have trouble getting people to try out experimental drugs more often in the U.S. if it were legal, especially drugs designed to treat cancer, AIDS, and other fatal diseases.

By: Stefan Jones

Stefan Jones — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 23:09:00 +0000

Note that this also means that Russia will get more than its fair share of people with experimental-serum-induced super powers.