Microsoft claims ownership of the number 45, asks Google to censor the US government and Bing


48 Responses to “Microsoft claims ownership of the number 45, asks Google to censor the US government and Bing”

  1. L_Mariachi says:

    Doesn’t the DMCA have a “good faith” provision to hold indiscriminate or fraudulent takedown spammers responsible? Seems that filing a bogus takedown notice would not only expose you to civil liability but possibly also to perjury charges (or whatever the charge would be for knowingly filing false paperwork with the court.)

    • EH says:

      Pure lip-service. It’s about as effective as the SEC. Microsoft has nothing to worry about, nothing will ever happen to them for anything like this.

    • Clifton says:

      The only thing you have to swear to on penalty of perjury is that you are the copyright holder or represent the copyright holder of the allegedly infringed whatever-it-is.  The act requires that you have a “good faith” belief that the URL(s) you are filing a complaint against actually infringes your copyright in some way, but that isn’t sworn under penalty of perjury, and there is no penalty, not even the slightest, if you get that wrong or just lie through your teeth.

      I could file a DMCA complaint against Boing Boing, or against Microsoft, alleging that this very page infringes the unpublished fragments of a novel I tried to write 20 years ago, and while the complaint would be completely bogus no penalty would be possible.

    • Shannon Shaw says:

      In a perfect world, yes. But, Microsoft is a very rich company. To catch you up to speed, any person or company that is super-rich or powerful is either above the law or has legal ways to ignore the law (including our own president). Welcome to the 21st century where the law (& constitution) is meaningless to those who have money & power.

  2. The Rizz says:

    Hey, if this is true how about we, the internet at large, start sending mass-generated bullshit claims to Google, youTube, and everyone else to block anything and everything – force Google to whitelist every site on the internet for getting too many false positive – problem solved!

    • jorgenfleisterman says:

      Only corporations won’t be charged with perjury for illegitimate DMCA takedown notices. Individuals who knowingly send illegitimate DMCA takedown notices will likely be charged. After all, how many lobbyists and lawyers do you have?

  3. bzishi says:

    The full notice. It includes the quote:

    Participants in the Trusted Copyright Removal Program have previously agreed to these SWORN STATEMENTS
    I have a good faith belief that use of the copyrighted materials described in all notifications submitted through the Program as allegedly infringing is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law. The information in all notifications submitted through the Program will be accurate, and I swear, under penalty of perjury, that with respect to those notifications, I am the copyright owner or am authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.

    I also noticed a lot of game reviews. This is ridiculous.

    • EH says:

      “Good faith” here will be interpreted to mean that the programmer(s) who wrote the flagger didn’t mean for it to be used to take down non-infringing material. Game, set, and match.

    • Clifton says:

      I posted a slightly longer bit up above, but just to emphasize it:
      In the passage you quote, note carefully the structure of those clauses – the only thing being sworn under penalty of perjury is that you are the copyright owner or are authorized to act on behalf of a copyright owner.

      Everything else is on the honor system, and we all know how well that works once money, greed, and corporations are involved

  4. Teresa Nielsen Hayden says:

    This makes no sense. What does Microsoft think it’s doing?

  5. Mister44 says:

    Good thing it wasn’t 44. I’m safe… for now.

  6. theophrastvs says:

    i’ve occasionally thought that some modern Clarence Darrow could make the case (in court) that some IP suit hinged upon a company’s ownership of a number.  “Because (ladies and gentlemen of the jury) isn’t the latest Justin Bieber song in mp3 form just an (albeit large) binary number??”

    and now this; if ownership of 45 is declared, then there’s little hope for 19857968…643.

  7. I think there may be prior art for ’45′.

  8. technobach says:

    The sincerely hope that microsoft took something down because it had “451″ in the title.

  9. Lithi says:

    Since a lotta shit happened in 1945, will Microsoft go after history books next? WWII nuts are gonna be pissed. 

  10. FoolishOwl says:

    This suggests to me that DMCA notices are produced automatically, with little or no human supervision.

  11. unclezip says:

    We really don’t expect anything intelligent to come out of Redmond anymore. Now that they have copyrighted everything in the universe, all they have to do is sit around and husband their intellectual properties.

  12. Boundegar says:

    Well this is an improvement, at least, over what they pulled back in 1998.,599/

  13. roger crouch says:

    This thread is Copyright myself, cease reading it or pay $19.99 for the iTunes version.

  14. That_Anonymous_Coward says:

    And we are supposed to respect copyright when it only benefits corporations and they are allowed to send out what amounts to a a waste of electrons of a notice.

    Until there are actual penalties the system will not get better.  They have a system that cost the least and is accepted, why do they need to make sure its correct?

    If you reported someone to the authorities in this manner you’d get arrested, but a major corporation can send out these chicken little claims over and over and not a damn thing happens.

  15. Paul Renault says:

    Maybe they thought Spotify was broadcasting a torrent of an .iso of Windows 8 by playing music that had bird song in it?

  16. That’s Numberwang!

  17. Over the River says:

    Are you sure this wasn’t Apple?

  18. what about the 45mm glock?

  19. For every DMCA takedown you send that wasn’t made in good faith (such things as just grepping for the number 45 in the URL) you should be fined, oh, I don’t know, a *lot*. It’d stop real quick.

    • dabble53 says:

      “good fait” just means you THINK you are correct. Remove that and make it “if you send a take down notice without being able to prove (notice PROVE, not SHOW) you are the lawful copyright holder”…..then you get slapped with fines proportional to the number of violations and your gross annual income.

  20. Joe Buck says:

    ” Microsoft and other rightsholders are censoring large parts of the Internet” …

    Incorrect in this case: Microsoft sent a bogus censorship request, and Google implemented it. Google needs to add sanity checks. Florian’s suggestion for fines would also be a good idea.

  21. bluest_one says:

    Maybe companies, like Google, who get sent DMCA takedown notices should employ a reputational model, where based on the number of incorrect DMCA notices sent from a given source, the reputation of that source diminishes and they have to jump through additional hoops before those notices are accepted.

    Requiring valid signatures signed off by someone who will accept legal costs for missent notices, requiring them to be sent by post, requiring a valid human confirmation before action is taken, etc.

    Start off with a score of 100 and knock off a point for every incorrect DMCA. Add points back on after a penalty period, or earned after every x number of correct notices sent.

    • TheMadLibrarian says:

       Since the notices are autogenerated by the ukujillion, their rep should be in the hole in a matter of seconds.

  22. schr0559 says:

    Reminds me of a fun time I had with MS’s code-sanitizing organization.  They’re tasked with scrubbing offensive words and images from all their products, to ensure nobody anywhere ever gets offended by anything.  Not sure who ran it, but I’d guess a combination of HR, legal, and a couple high school interns.

    Their automated tool flagged the two-letter combination “pd” in some random binary file I dealt with.  I guess that means “pedophile” in French or something, but it took weeks to convince them that it was just a compiler artifact, and not a ringing endorsement by our developers of unspeakable acts.

  23. Gyrofrog says:

    This is driving me nuts; think I’ll sit down and chill with a nice cold Colt—heeyyy!?

  24. So are these really generated by Microsoft, or is there some incompetent service provider or law firm that is doing these on behalf of other companies?

  25. Doug Adams has dibs on “42″

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