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		<title>By: BoogieKingston</title>
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		<dc:creator>BoogieKingston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TK was intertwined with time travel as far as the development of the Rainmaker. Nathan tried to find a reason not to like the movie, and he failed. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TK was intertwined with time travel as far as the development of the Rainmaker. Nathan tried to find a reason not to like the movie, and he failed. </p>
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		<title>By: RaidenDaigo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/12/the-mixed-magic-of-looper.html#comment-1557386</link>
		<dc:creator>RaidenDaigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Why didn&#039;t you?</description>
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		<title>By: Dante D'Anthony</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/12/the-mixed-magic-of-looper.html#comment-1557283</link>
		<dc:creator>Dante D'Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 02:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Buck!</description>
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		<title>By: Dante D'Anthony</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/12/the-mixed-magic-of-looper.html#comment-1557278</link>
		<dc:creator>Dante D'Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 02:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The character has changed the timeline by coming back. They&#039;re in a state of quantum uncertainty?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The character has changed the timeline by coming back. They&#8217;re in a state of quantum uncertainty?</p>
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		<title>By: Dante D'Anthony</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/12/the-mixed-magic-of-looper.html#comment-1557274</link>
		<dc:creator>Dante D'Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 02:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just saying &quot;ehhh&quot; when I saw your &quot;Nah.&quot; So....it could be a trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just saying &#8220;ehhh&#8221; when I saw your &#8220;Nah.&#8221; So&#8230;.it could be a trend.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Sproat</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/12/the-mixed-magic-of-looper.html#comment-1557201</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Sproat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 01:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it forewarns of spoilers in the title of the article. in capital letters. in bold font. how you missed that I have no idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it forewarns of spoilers in the title of the article. in capital letters. in bold font. how you missed that I have no idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Sproat</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/12/the-mixed-magic-of-looper.html#comment-1557199</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Sproat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 01:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mixed Magic of “Looper” (SPOILERS)</description>
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		<title>By: rocheambeau</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/12/the-mixed-magic-of-looper.html#comment-1556851</link>
		<dc:creator>rocheambeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a really difficult time following this article.

&quot;Concerning the first issue, there’s no reason why on God’s green earth a toddler should be trading dialogue with Joseph Gordon-Levitt. That’s just bizarre.&quot;

Why is that bizarre in a time travel movie?  Please elucidate.  

&quot;How sad to see that tired old stock horror movie trope “the evil child” trotted out, followed closely by its dim-witted cousin “the unknowable genius”.&quot; 

Can you provide alternate examples of these archetypes?  I&#039;ve seen a lot of movies with evil children and/or geniuses, and it&#039;d help my understanding if I knew specifically what other movie or literary characters fall into these tropes.

&quot;But stories with telekinesis need a different aesthetic approach.&quot;

Why?  This blanket statement and several similar vague generalizations seem to imply that there is only 1 correct way to write or tell a story about a given subject.  That seems a bit myopic and prejudicial, and these statements would have a lot more credibility with a bit less &quot;This is the way things SHOULD be&quot; and a bit more explanation.

&quot;In the case of “Looper,” telekinesis being a more “agented” sort of magic, the creepy Rainmaker kid functions as an awful Deus Ex Machina...the Rainmaker character doesn’t serve as a Deus Ex Machina at all.&quot;

Which one?  Deus Ex Machina has a fairly specific definition.  Either the kid (or some of his actions) was thrown in to magically solve major plot issues... or he wasn&#039;t.  Without better justification and explanation, these really just kinda feel like an excuse to use the phrase.  Deus Ex Machina does sound and look pretty awesome in print.  It&#039;s even awesomer when used correctly and explained fully.  I&#039;m willing to hear the argument, but I need more to go on.

&quot;....the flaw that I mean has more to do with tone than plot. Because tonally the telekinesis and time travel don’t run parallel at all, but intersect often and clumsily. Once telekinesis is introduced as a serious force in the story, all the carefully crafted tensions inherent to the time travel aesthetic are (literally) exploded. Once the audience sees a kid who can overturn a truck with his mind, watching a man disappear to a different timeline seems hollow and pointless, a plot contrivance.&quot;

Why &amp; How?  This is a great introductory paragraph, but requires greater explanation.  As written and without further clarification, this comes across as a subjective opinion being stated as fact.  Why is simply throwing a truck more impressive than wiping out someone&#039;s entire existence?  Are you saying that telekinesis would somehow stop time travel?  What, exactly, the hell is going on here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a really difficult time following this article.</p>
<p>&#8220;Concerning the first issue, there’s no reason why on God’s green earth a toddler should be trading dialogue with Joseph Gordon-Levitt. That’s just bizarre.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why is that bizarre in a time travel movie?  Please elucidate.  </p>
<p>&#8220;How sad to see that tired old stock horror movie trope “the evil child” trotted out, followed closely by its dim-witted cousin “the unknowable genius”.&#8221; </p>
<p>Can you provide alternate examples of these archetypes?  I&#8217;ve seen a lot of movies with evil children and/or geniuses, and it&#8217;d help my understanding if I knew specifically what other movie or literary characters fall into these tropes.</p>
<p>&#8220;But stories with telekinesis need a different aesthetic approach.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why?  This blanket statement and several similar vague generalizations seem to imply that there is only 1 correct way to write or tell a story about a given subject.  That seems a bit myopic and prejudicial, and these statements would have a lot more credibility with a bit less &#8220;This is the way things SHOULD be&#8221; and a bit more explanation.</p>
<p>&#8220;In the case of “Looper,” telekinesis being a more “agented” sort of magic, the creepy Rainmaker kid functions as an awful Deus Ex Machina&#8230;the Rainmaker character doesn’t serve as a Deus Ex Machina at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which one?  Deus Ex Machina has a fairly specific definition.  Either the kid (or some of his actions) was thrown in to magically solve major plot issues&#8230; or he wasn&#8217;t.  Without better justification and explanation, these really just kinda feel like an excuse to use the phrase.  Deus Ex Machina does sound and look pretty awesome in print.  It&#8217;s even awesomer when used correctly and explained fully.  I&#8217;m willing to hear the argument, but I need more to go on.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;.the flaw that I mean has more to do with tone than plot. Because tonally the telekinesis and time travel don’t run parallel at all, but intersect often and clumsily. Once telekinesis is introduced as a serious force in the story, all the carefully crafted tensions inherent to the time travel aesthetic are (literally) exploded. Once the audience sees a kid who can overturn a truck with his mind, watching a man disappear to a different timeline seems hollow and pointless, a plot contrivance.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why &amp; How?  This is a great introductory paragraph, but requires greater explanation.  As written and without further clarification, this comes across as a subjective opinion being stated as fact.  Why is simply throwing a truck more impressive than wiping out someone&#8217;s entire existence?  Are you saying that telekinesis would somehow stop time travel?  What, exactly, the hell is going on here?</p>
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		<title>By: random</title>
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		<dc:creator>random</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plausible maybe, but that&#039;s not how young Joe&#039;s epiphany described things, and I don&#039;t see how he would have drawn that conclusion himself as a participant in the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plausible maybe, but that&#8217;s not how young Joe&#8217;s epiphany described things, and I don&#8217;t see how he would have drawn that conclusion himself as a participant in the story.</p>
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		<title>By: DrMedicine</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/12/the-mixed-magic-of-looper.html#comment-1556531</link>
		<dc:creator>DrMedicine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 01:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The future self is a projection of where the younger self will be 30 years from now. Remember Old Joe&#039;s comment on how everything he can remember happening in the near future is fuzzy until it happens to young Joe. So when the younger one&#039;s course is altered, by opening the loop, the change is committed to the older one - because his course is only altered as a result of being sent back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The future self is a projection of where the younger self will be 30 years from now. Remember Old Joe&#8217;s comment on how everything he can remember happening in the near future is fuzzy until it happens to young Joe. So when the younger one&#8217;s course is altered, by opening the loop, the change is committed to the older one &#8211; because his course is only altered as a result of being sent back.</p>
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		<title>By: kaidaigoji</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaidaigoji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 01:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the creepy Rainmaker kid functions as an awful Deus Ex Machina to the other characters dealing with their typical time travel problems&quot;

When you don&#039;t even understand what a Deus Ex Machina is, I can&#039;t be surprised at this fairly shallow review of Looper.  This isn&#039;t a movie about time travel, or telekinesis, or anything else like that.  This is a movie that asks the question - if you could go back in time and kill Hitler, would you?  Time-travel is the way the movie asks interesting moral questions, not the point.  TK is the macguffin; not all that important to the plot, as it turns out.  
 </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the creepy Rainmaker kid functions as an awful Deus Ex Machina to the other characters dealing with their typical time travel problems&#8221;</p>
<p>When you don&#8217;t even understand what a Deus Ex Machina is, I can&#8217;t be surprised at this fairly shallow review of Looper.  This isn&#8217;t a movie about time travel, or telekinesis, or anything else like that.  This is a movie that asks the question &#8211; if you could go back in time and kill Hitler, would you?  Time-travel is the way the movie asks interesting moral questions, not the point.  TK is the macguffin; not all that important to the plot, as it turns out.  </p>
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		<title>By: Robert Rodrigues</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Rodrigues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 03:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was precisely my problem with the film. I enjoyed the entire movie greatly right up until this meaningless ending. Then I sat through the credits hoping that they would have dropped in the two second clip of Gordon-Levitt holding the blunderbuss, then looking at his watch. That would have at least shown me that the writers weren&#039;t morons who were unable to even follow their own rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was precisely my problem with the film. I enjoyed the entire movie greatly right up until this meaningless ending. Then I sat through the credits hoping that they would have dropped in the two second clip of Gordon-Levitt holding the blunderbuss, then looking at his watch. That would have at least shown me that the writers weren&#8217;t morons who were unable to even follow their own rules.</p>
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		<title>By: cdh1971</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdh1971</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 02:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got the impression that it was a psychological lever meant to emphasise the fact that their contract was indeed fulfilled, and more importantly, to make it clear that the closed looper&#039;s fate is sealed so there is no point in trying to hide from the final condition of their contract. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got the impression that it was a psychological lever meant to emphasise the fact that their contract was indeed fulfilled, and more importantly, to make it clear that the closed looper&#8217;s fate is sealed so there is no point in trying to hide from the final condition of their contract. </p>
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		<title>By: Itsumishi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Itsumishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 02:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got the impression that when you sent someone back in time they ended up in the same place in the past, i.e. the big factory looking thing where Bruce fought the mob in the future was in the same place as the field where all these people get blown away. So yes you could drop people in the middle of the atlantic, but then you&#039;d need a ship floating in the middle of the atlantic with your time travel machine sitting there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got the impression that when you sent someone back in time they ended up in the same place in the past, i.e. the big factory looking thing where Bruce fought the mob in the future was in the same place as the field where all these people get blown away. So yes you could drop people in the middle of the atlantic, but then you&#8217;d need a ship floating in the middle of the atlantic with your time travel machine sitting there.</p>
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		<title>By: Itsumishi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Itsumishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it was fairly obvious that TK was going to have some big impact pretty early on, gun in the first act and all of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was fairly obvious that TK was going to have some big impact pretty early on, gun in the first act and all of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Chentzilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chentzilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 23:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Makes about as much sense as that photo of Marty McFly fading.</description>
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		<title>By: anansi133</title>
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		<dc:creator>anansi133</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only timeline that we *don&#039;t* get to see -that&#039;s still essential to the plot- is the one where Cid grows up having a mother. And no one can predict what that one looks like. Maybe the kid still turns out wrong, who can say?

 Which is where all the heart of the film lies: it&#039;s not certain, it&#039;s just a hope. which is all any parent has. The &quot;Hero Decides the World is a Better Place Without Him &quot; thing still pisses me off, but it was still worth it.

Hitler did not (as far as we know) possess TK powers, yet he still ended up dangerous- so calling the kid a super TK dude just makes the danger foreseeable. The story would still work if he was dangerously hateful yet charismatic, it just would have been slower to tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only timeline that we *don&#8217;t* get to see -that&#8217;s still essential to the plot- is the one where Cid grows up having a mother. And no one can predict what that one looks like. Maybe the kid still turns out wrong, who can say?</p>
<p> Which is where all the heart of the film lies: it&#8217;s not certain, it&#8217;s just a hope. which is all any parent has. The &#8220;Hero Decides the World is a Better Place Without Him &#8221; thing still pisses me off, but it was still worth it.</p>
<p>Hitler did not (as far as we know) possess TK powers, yet he still ended up dangerous- so calling the kid a super TK dude just makes the danger foreseeable. The story would still work if he was dangerously hateful yet charismatic, it just would have been slower to tell.</p>
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		<title>By: hypnosifl</title>
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		<dc:creator>hypnosifl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Of course, all time travelogues implicitly rest on magically ignoring the Third Law of Thermodynamics, so I&#039;m willing to cut storytellers some slack if the yarn is entertaining.&lt;/i&gt;

As a physics geek I gotta say a few things about this: first off, I believe you&#039;re thinking of the second law of thermodynamics, the third law is about entropy going to zero at a temperature of absolute zero. And the second law of thermodynamics only applies to isolated system, and is about what happens in the limit as the amount of time passed goes to infinity; if your system is an isolated room with a time portal in it that allows anything in the room to travel to the same room at an earlier time (or travel forward to the same room at a later time), how would the time portal allow you to circumvent the second law? Also, I think time travel doesn&#039;t automatically put a story in fantasy territory: it turns out that in Einstein&#039;s theory of general relativity, there are certain theoretical situations that would allow for &quot;closed timelike curves&quot;, or objects which loop back in time and encounter (or become) their own selves at that time. Physicists suspect that quantum effects will probably out these possibilities (Hawking&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_protection_conjecture&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;chronology protection conjecture&lt;/a&gt;) but they don&#039;t dismiss them out-of-hand, and certainly don&#039;t use thermodynamics to dismiss them, anyone who&#039;s interested in the subject can read a book like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Black-Holes-Time-Warps-Commonwealth/dp/0393312763&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Black Holes and Time Warps&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Time-Travel-Warp-Drives-Scientific/dp/0226224988&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Time Travel and Warp Drives&lt;/a&gt;, both by physicists who specialize in general relativity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Of course, all time travelogues implicitly rest on magically ignoring the Third Law of Thermodynamics, so I&#8217;m willing to cut storytellers some slack if the yarn is entertaining.</i></p>
<p>As a physics geek I gotta say a few things about this: first off, I believe you&#8217;re thinking of the second law of thermodynamics, the third law is about entropy going to zero at a temperature of absolute zero. And the second law of thermodynamics only applies to isolated system, and is about what happens in the limit as the amount of time passed goes to infinity; if your system is an isolated room with a time portal in it that allows anything in the room to travel to the same room at an earlier time (or travel forward to the same room at a later time), how would the time portal allow you to circumvent the second law? Also, I think time travel doesn&#8217;t automatically put a story in fantasy territory: it turns out that in Einstein&#8217;s theory of general relativity, there are certain theoretical situations that would allow for &#8220;closed timelike curves&#8221;, or objects which loop back in time and encounter (or become) their own selves at that time. Physicists suspect that quantum effects will probably out these possibilities (Hawking&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_protection_conjecture" rel="nofollow">chronology protection conjecture</a>) but they don&#8217;t dismiss them out-of-hand, and certainly don&#8217;t use thermodynamics to dismiss them, anyone who&#8217;s interested in the subject can read a book like <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Black-Holes-Time-Warps-Commonwealth/dp/0393312763" rel="nofollow">Black Holes and Time Warps</a> or <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Time-Travel-Warp-Drives-Scientific/dp/0226224988" rel="nofollow">Time Travel and Warp Drives</a>, both by physicists who specialize in general relativity.</p>
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		<title>By: m_a_s</title>
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		<dc:creator>m_a_s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not for me.  I almost walked out of the movie.</description>
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		<title>By: m_a_s</title>
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		<dc:creator>m_a_s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not assuming too much at all!
There is one scene where one of the &quot;hit men&quot; let&#039;s their future self run away.  They get the present day hit man and start scaring, then amputating limbs.  If they did that to the present day assasin, how could the future version of the assasin run away---without legs?  Why would the future version suddenly notice a scar that he had for 25 years or so?  How could he reach for something and then realize that his hand is missing.  The hand that was amputated 25 years ago (in his time line)
It&#039;s simply inconsistent.
How do you expect time travel to work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not assuming too much at all!<br />
There is one scene where one of the &#8220;hit men&#8221; let&#8217;s their future self run away.  They get the present day hit man and start scaring, then amputating limbs.  If they did that to the present day assasin, how could the future version of the assasin run away&#8212;without legs?  Why would the future version suddenly notice a scar that he had for 25 years or so?  How could he reach for something and then realize that his hand is missing.  The hand that was amputated 25 years ago (in his time line)<br />
It&#8217;s simply inconsistent.<br />
How do you expect time travel to work?</p>
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		<title>By: jmyers</title>
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		<dc:creator>jmyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely! And the Older Joe, had that loop not been terminated, was destined to become The Rainmaker.</description>
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		<title>By: Ian Kerr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This movie seemed to do all the thinking for me, which I didn&#039;t like.  Hell, JGL even explained the final scene and told the viewer what to feel.  I was a bit disappointed. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This movie seemed to do all the thinking for me, which I didn&#8217;t like.  Hell, JGL even explained the final scene and told the viewer what to feel.  I was a bit disappointed. </p>
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		<title>By: Rodney Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodney Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 07:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, sorry but you&#039;re almost 100% wrong. The Time Travel storyline is absolutely not abandonded or &quot;exploded&quot; as you put it, as important and unique story elements hinge on the special relationship Old and Young Joe have as they occupy the narrative. And the effects of this relationship are felt right up until the end, so I&#039;m sorry your expectations led your astray and you were unable to reconcile them to enjoy this brilliant (but flawed) movie. It&#039;s still great and your points are, frankly, invalid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, sorry but you&#8217;re almost 100% wrong. The Time Travel storyline is absolutely not abandonded or &#8220;exploded&#8221; as you put it, as important and unique story elements hinge on the special relationship Old and Young Joe have as they occupy the narrative. And the effects of this relationship are felt right up until the end, so I&#8217;m sorry your expectations led your astray and you were unable to reconcile them to enjoy this brilliant (but flawed) movie. It&#8217;s still great and your points are, frankly, invalid.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Maynard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Maynard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 06:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m getting really sick of paying to see movies in the theater (Prometheus, Looper) and then finding out that I&#039;m expected to buy the &quot;special edition dvd&quot; if I want to actually see the scenes that allow the plot to make logical sense.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m getting really sick of paying to see movies in the theater (Prometheus, Looper) and then finding out that I&#8217;m expected to buy the &#8220;special edition dvd&#8221; if I want to actually see the scenes that allow the plot to make logical sense.  </p>
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		<title>By: PathogenAntifreeze</title>
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		<dc:creator>PathogenAntifreeze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 06:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read a good theory in some other comment thread: The big showdown at the end, which breaks the kid out of refusing to acknowledge his mom is the only path that opens him up to accepting what she has to offer... without that conflict happening at the farm, he continues to think his real mom died and rejecting &quot;Sarah&quot; as a fake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a good theory in some other comment thread: The big showdown at the end, which breaks the kid out of refusing to acknowledge his mom is the only path that opens him up to accepting what she has to offer&#8230; without that conflict happening at the farm, he continues to think his real mom died and rejecting &#8220;Sarah&#8221; as a fake.</p>
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		<title>By: PathogenAntifreeze</title>
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		<dc:creator>PathogenAntifreeze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 05:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> 12 Monkeys, Source Code, Primer... if well done time travel is the objective, those are the films to see.  Might cause another re-ordering for you and your brother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> 12 Monkeys, Source Code, Primer&#8230; if well done time travel is the objective, those are the films to see.  Might cause another re-ordering for you and your brother.</p>
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		<title>By: Sinead Dowding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sinead Dowding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 04:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Did you watch the movie?</description>
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		<title>By: RaidenDaigo</title>
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		<dc:creator>RaidenDaigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 04:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Plot Holes&quot; seem to be the hind sight of the audience, or &quot;I know I would have done something different and correct&quot;-itis  of the modern audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Plot Holes&#8221; seem to be the hind sight of the audience, or &#8220;I know I would have done something different and correct&#8221;-itis  of the modern audience.</p>
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		<title>By: RaidenDaigo</title>
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		<dc:creator>RaidenDaigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 04:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &quot;Being angsty alone is not a reason to commit atrocities on a mass scale.&quot; 
Some one should have told a dejected Austrian art student back in the early 20th century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &#8221;Being angsty alone is not a reason to commit atrocities on a mass scale.&#8221;<br />
Some one should have told a dejected Austrian art student back in the early 20th century.</p>
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		<title>By: David Lanteigne</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Lanteigne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 02:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A man who must kill his older self and fails to do so, setting time out of joint--that&#039;s a story.  A mother desperate to protect her freakishly powerful mutant son--that&#039;s a story.  Asking me to believe these two situations are coincident in time and space--that&#039;s a stretch. (And I would have like to see more diagrams made out of soda straws.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A man who must kill his older self and fails to do so, setting time out of joint&#8211;that&#8217;s a story.  A mother desperate to protect her freakishly powerful mutant son&#8211;that&#8217;s a story.  Asking me to believe these two situations are coincident in time and space&#8211;that&#8217;s a stretch. (And I would have like to see more diagrams made out of soda straws.)</p>
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