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		<title>By: JudeJackson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/30/sexy-breast-cancer-campaigns-a.html#comment-1571027</link>
		<dc:creator>JudeJackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 02:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, one things assumptions can make us is closer to a useful answer, by providing us a framework to base our experiments. If you want to know if sex sells, you start with assuming sex sells. And if sex sells, how do you sell sex?

The other sort of assumption you can do is jump to gut conclusions and say that sex doesn&#039;t sell because that would be repugnant, and throw it out the window. But that seems counterproductive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, one things assumptions can make us is closer to a useful answer, by providing us a framework to base our experiments. If you want to know if sex sells, you start with assuming sex sells. And if sex sells, how do you sell sex?</p>
<p>The other sort of assumption you can do is jump to gut conclusions and say that sex doesn&#8217;t sell because that would be repugnant, and throw it out the window. But that seems counterproductive.</p>
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		<title>By: JudeJackson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/30/sexy-breast-cancer-campaigns-a.html#comment-1571022</link>
		<dc:creator>JudeJackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 02:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe, but is it worth trying to find out?

Actually, I can think of an example where it is known to have worked: Promoting condoms in Africa. That&#039;s probably a bit of an obvious example, but the nonprofits that tried to push condoms to slow the spread of HIV did indeed find that sexy condoms were a lot more effective than healthy condoms (I&#039;m simplifying it slightly obviously). I&#039;m sure that doesn&#039;t make you feel any better if you&#039;re dying of AIDS, but it&#039;s good for all the people without it.

But like I said, is it not worth doing a sexy breast cancer campaign to fund breast cancer research? I can think of good reasons why not, some of which Xeni pointed out and some of my own. But I&#039;m not dead certain the ends don&#039;t justify the means, at least here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe, but is it worth trying to find out?</p>
<p>Actually, I can think of an example where it is known to have worked: Promoting condoms in Africa. That&#8217;s probably a bit of an obvious example, but the nonprofits that tried to push condoms to slow the spread of HIV did indeed find that sexy condoms were a lot more effective than healthy condoms (I&#8217;m simplifying it slightly obviously). I&#8217;m sure that doesn&#8217;t make you feel any better if you&#8217;re dying of AIDS, but it&#8217;s good for all the people without it.</p>
<p>But like I said, is it not worth doing a sexy breast cancer campaign to fund breast cancer research? I can think of good reasons why not, some of which Xeni pointed out and some of my own. But I&#8217;m not dead certain the ends don&#8217;t justify the means, at least here.</p>
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		<title>By: JudeJackson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/30/sexy-breast-cancer-campaigns-a.html#comment-1571020</link>
		<dc:creator>JudeJackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 02:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s so many comments here, I&#039;m sure my voice won&#039;t be that relevant, but when I&#039;m seeing these campaigns, and the reaction to them, I&#039;m loosely reminded of Scott Feld&#039;s paper &quot;Why your friends have more friends than you do&quot;. Of course, the paper made a valid sociological point, but deeper, Feld wanted to make people feel better for understanding why their friends seem to have more friends than themselves. Of course, to anyone who read the paper and doesn&#039;t have lots of friends, you know that even a rational explanation still makes you feel bad. It might be inevitable that your friends have more friends than you, but that&#039;s no comfort.

These ads are for healthy young men and women. They&#039;re not really directed towards women with breast cancer at all. If you lose all of your feminine virility, these ads don&#039;t exactly ring very true to you. But of course the point isn&#039;t to get your money, you already lost all yours (and probably continue to lose it). The point is that the ads are for people who would otherwise be unaware of or not care about breast cancer. And for them, it&#039;s very effective.

I&#039;ll draw the analogy to condoms. Condoms are sexy and slow the spread of HIV. If you&#039;re an AIDS patient, do you want your cause being promoted with sexy couples having hot sex? Probably not. But people still can have sexy condoms. We&#039;re talking about early stage prevention here. We&#039;re telling nubile young women to protect their femininity. If you make mammograms gross and sickly, young women won&#039;t want them. If you put pictures of dying AIDS children on condoms, people won&#039;t want to use them.

As Heinlein said: &quot;The whole principle is wrong; it&#039;s like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can&#039;t eat steak.&quot;

Point being, it probably works. But for you, that&#039;s no comfort.



Man that comment feels so disjointed. But I said most of what I meant, even if disorganized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s so many comments here, I&#8217;m sure my voice won&#8217;t be that relevant, but when I&#8217;m seeing these campaigns, and the reaction to them, I&#8217;m loosely reminded of Scott Feld&#8217;s paper &#8221;Why your friends have more friends than you do&#8221;. Of course, the paper made a valid sociological point, but deeper, Feld wanted to make people feel better for understanding why their friends seem to have more friends than themselves. Of course, to anyone who read the paper and doesn&#8217;t have lots of friends, you know that even a rational explanation still makes you feel bad. It might be inevitable that your friends have more friends than you, but that&#8217;s no comfort.</p>
<p>These ads are for healthy young men and women. They&#8217;re not really directed towards women with breast cancer at all. If you lose all of your feminine virility, these ads don&#8217;t exactly ring very true to you. But of course the point isn&#8217;t to get your money, you already lost all yours (and probably continue to lose it). The point is that the ads are for people who would otherwise be unaware of or not care about breast cancer. And for them, it&#8217;s very effective.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll draw the analogy to condoms. Condoms are sexy and slow the spread of HIV. If you&#8217;re an AIDS patient, do you want your cause being promoted with sexy couples having hot sex? Probably not. But people still can have sexy condoms. We&#8217;re talking about early stage prevention here. We&#8217;re telling nubile young women to protect their femininity. If you make mammograms gross and sickly, young women won&#8217;t want them. If you put pictures of dying AIDS children on condoms, people won&#8217;t want to use them.</p>
<p>As Heinlein said: &#8220;The whole principle is wrong; it&#8217;s like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can&#8217;t eat steak.&#8221;</p>
<p>Point being, it probably works. But for you, that&#8217;s no comfort.</p>
<p>Man that comment feels so disjointed. But I said most of what I meant, even if disorganized.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/30/sexy-breast-cancer-campaigns-a.html#comment-1570904</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know a gentleman who had a mastectomy and recon due to breast cancer.</description>
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		<title>By: Sasha@librtee</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/30/sexy-breast-cancer-campaigns-a.html#comment-1570696</link>
		<dc:creator>Sasha@librtee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ends justify the means. It is extremely important that Komen for the Cure remain well funded, so they can persevere in their primary organizational mission, that is suing other non-profits who have &#039;for the cure&#039; in their names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ends justify the means. It is extremely important that Komen for the Cure remain well funded, so they can persevere in their primary organizational mission, that is suing other non-profits who have &#8216;for the cure&#8217; in their names.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/30/sexy-breast-cancer-campaigns-a.html#comment-1570685</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps two wild and crazy guys.</description>
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		<title>By: CH</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/30/sexy-breast-cancer-campaigns-a.html#comment-1570660</link>
		<dc:creator>CH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes they do and, yes, men can get breast cancer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes they do and, yes, men can get breast cancer.</p>
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		<title>By: xynsta</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/30/sexy-breast-cancer-campaigns-a.html#comment-1570535</link>
		<dc:creator>xynsta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 18:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say it is clearly targeted to men? I disagree. Actually, it is clearly targeted to women. 
The message of the advert - &#039;Keep them safe. Pledge to touch yourself this October&#039;, is a reminder to women to check for breast cancer. 
Men… do not have breasts to check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say it is clearly targeted to men? I disagree. Actually, it is clearly targeted to women.<br />
The message of the advert &#8211; &#8216;Keep them safe. Pledge to touch yourself this October&#8217;, is a reminder to women to check for breast cancer.<br />
Men… do not have breasts to check.</p>
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		<title>By: CH</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/30/sexy-breast-cancer-campaigns-a.html#comment-1570470</link>
		<dc:creator>CH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 18:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What it has to do with your gender? It is clearly targeted to men. I may be a minority of one, what do I know, but I don&#039;t find it at all funny as a woman (and yeah, I&#039;ve seen that as a joke I don&#039;t know how many times over the years... why would you fondle breast after the initial fun wears off when you can just go play with your penis? And you have breasts, go fondle them!). 

And in breast cancer context it makes it totally tasteless (well, at least to me). On the other hand, I would totally cheer for similar types of ads showing how a woman with mastectomy is still as sexy and womanly as before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What it has to do with your gender? It is clearly targeted to men. I may be a minority of one, what do I know, but I don&#8217;t find it at all funny as a woman (and yeah, I&#8217;ve seen that as a joke I don&#8217;t know how many times over the years&#8230; why would you fondle breast after the initial fun wears off when you can just go play with your penis? And you have breasts, go fondle them!). </p>
<p>And in breast cancer context it makes it totally tasteless (well, at least to me). On the other hand, I would totally cheer for similar types of ads showing how a woman with mastectomy is still as sexy and womanly as before.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/30/sexy-breast-cancer-campaigns-a.html#comment-1570419</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She answered that question already.  &quot;We were concerned first with saving patients.&quot;  Perhaps she was busy enough that it didn&#039;t occur to her to think about the patient&#039;s sex life rather than the patient&#039;s life in general.

Come to think of it, maybe that was her point in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She answered that question already.  &#8220;We were concerned first with saving patients.&#8221;  Perhaps she was busy enough that it didn&#8217;t occur to her to think about the patient&#8217;s sex life rather than the patient&#8217;s life in general.</p>
<p>Come to think of it, maybe that was her point in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: xynsta</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/30/sexy-breast-cancer-campaigns-a.html#comment-1570394</link>
		<dc:creator>xynsta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The @fcancer:twitter  campaign isn&#039;t about raising money. 


It is more like reminding you to take care of your eyes because it is awesome to have 20-20 vision. Nothing wrong with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The @fcancer:twitter  campaign isn&#8217;t about raising money. </p>
<p>It is more like reminding you to take care of your eyes because it is awesome to have 20-20 vision. Nothing wrong with that.</p>
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		<title>By: xynsta</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/30/sexy-breast-cancer-campaigns-a.html#comment-1570362</link>
		<dc:creator>xynsta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I have said before, the ad is clearly tongue in cheek. It is not seriously suggesting that a woman would do that. 
If you think so, then you are taking it far too seriously.

You say that it is offensive and in bad taste, I disagree with you. Very well, each to it&#039;s own. 
I don&#039;t see how my gender makes difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I have said before, the ad is clearly tongue in cheek. It is not seriously suggesting that a woman would do that.<br />
If you think so, then you are taking it far too seriously.</p>
<p>You say that it is offensive and in bad taste, I disagree with you. Very well, each to it&#8217;s own.<br />
I don&#8217;t see how my gender makes difference.</p>
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		<title>By: imagingbrains</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/30/sexy-breast-cancer-campaigns-a.html#comment-1570357</link>
		<dc:creator>imagingbrains</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last ad isn&#039;t that bad. Sure, maybe it&#039;s just a *bit* too sexualized. But it&#039;s a common trope in advertising for diseases. 

Here&#039;s an example of an ALS commercial that does something similar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfN4tZI0RDg

I&#039;m sure lots of people with ALS don&#039;t love being reminded of the fact that they&#039;re now unable to walk, and it sort of trivializes the severity of the symptoms of the disease. But it catches the attention and awareness of the viewer. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last ad isn&#8217;t that bad. Sure, maybe it&#8217;s just a *bit* too sexualized. But it&#8217;s a common trope in advertising for diseases. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an example of an ALS commercial that does something similar:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfN4tZI0RDg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfN4tZI0RDg</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure lots of people with ALS don&#8217;t love being reminded of the fact that they&#8217;re now unable to walk, and it sort of trivializes the severity of the symptoms of the disease. But it catches the attention and awareness of the viewer. </p>
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		<title>By: CH</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/30/sexy-breast-cancer-campaigns-a.html#comment-1570328</link>
		<dc:creator>CH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I would call it seriously offensive and in bad taste. It&#039;s all about what a man would do. It has absolutely _nothing_ to do with a woman. Well, other than that the man wants to fondle female breasts.

Do you see women doing what the advert says? Do you walk around with your hand in your pants. Wanking it, jumping around, squishing your nuts, fondling them all the time? (Hmm... why did I assume you were a male? Your text just sounded like there is no way in #!#&quot;%# that a woman would have written it, but I could of course be wrong.) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I would call it seriously offensive and in bad taste. It&#8217;s all about what a man would do. It has absolutely _nothing_ to do with a woman. Well, other than that the man wants to fondle female breasts.</p>
<p>Do you see women doing what the advert says? Do you walk around with your hand in your pants. Wanking it, jumping around, squishing your nuts, fondling them all the time? (Hmm&#8230; why did I assume you were a male? Your text just sounded like there is no way in #!#&#8221;%# that a woman would have written it, but I could of course be wrong.) </p>
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		<title>By: Megan Anders</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/30/sexy-breast-cancer-campaigns-a.html#comment-1570262</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan Anders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reply, Xeni. I had already read the entire article, and a lot of the other #pinknausea items as well.
In general, I think awareness of where money from &quot;buying pink&quot; or drinking at a certain bar on a certain day goes is &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt; &quot;awareness&quot; of breast cancer, although I do believe there are pockets of at-risk patients not captured by current screening guidelines who probably do benefit from non-traditional public health education efforts*. I think this also highlights the idea that not every person who receives the same diagnosis automatically becomes a person with the same needs, wishes, and feelings (since &quot;Feel Your Boobies&quot; was started by another woman with breast cancer, it&#039;s reasonable to view that as a representation of her feelings). 
I realize the article you linked to was primarily about overt sexualization and objectification, and I wanted to point out that not all of these should be lumped in the same category.
To summarize, I think: suggesting that the only thing tragic about breast cancer is the loss of breast tissue is bad, using pictures of headless women&#039;s breasts to generate business under the guise of breast cancer &quot;awareness&quot; cheapens real educational efforts and is bad, educating people to help them make decisions about where/how to donate money for cure efforts is good, being accepting to a wide range of feelings and experiences on the topic (both survivors who crave and abhor levity) is good, using the (dubious) cancer support card to justify any means (exploitation of women&#039;s bodies) is bad, and lumping everything that uses the color pink or a word other than &quot;breast&quot; together is probably not fair or appropriate.Thanks again.*this is controversial; happy to discuss &quot;what conclusions should we draw from available evidence&quot; and &quot;where should everyone who is not an NIH funded researcher put their time and energy&quot; another month</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply, Xeni. I had already read the entire article, and a lot of the other #pinknausea items as well.<br />
In general, I think awareness of where money from &#8220;buying pink&#8221; or drinking at a certain bar on a certain day goes is &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt; &quot;awareness&quot; of breast cancer, although I do believe there are pockets of at-risk patients not captured by current screening guidelines who probably do benefit from non-traditional public health education efforts*. I think this also highlights the idea that not every person who receives the same diagnosis automatically becomes a person with the same needs, wishes, and feelings (since &quot;Feel Your Boobies&quot; was started by another woman with breast cancer, it&#039;s reasonable to view that as a representation of her feelings). <br />
I realize the article you linked to was primarily about overt sexualization and objectification, and I wanted to point out that not all of these should be lumped in the same category.<br />
To summarize, I think: suggesting that the only thing tragic about breast cancer is the loss of breast tissue is bad, using pictures of headless women&#039;s breasts to generate business under the guise of breast cancer &quot;awareness&quot; cheapens real educational efforts and is bad, educating people to help them make decisions about where/how to donate money for cure efforts is good, being accepting to a wide range of feelings and experiences on the topic (both survivors who crave and abhor levity) is good, using the (dubious) cancer support card to justify any means (exploitation of women&#039;s bodies) is bad, and lumping everything that uses the color pink or a word other than &quot;breast&quot; together is probably not fair or appropriate.Thanks again.*this is controversial; happy to discuss &quot;what conclusions should we draw from available evidence&quot; and &quot;where should everyone who is not an NIH funded researcher put their time and energy&quot; another month</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Nergo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly Nergo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This does a pretty good job exposing the structure behind the Pink campaign.  
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2035599/
Watched it last night, worth a view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This does a pretty good job exposing the structure behind the Pink campaign.  <br />
<a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2035599/" rel="nofollow">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2035599/</a><br />
Watched it last night, worth a view.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s quite the blanket statement. I thought we had decided as a civilized world that blanket statements about any reasonably large group of people are a bad thing. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s quite the blanket statement. I thought we had decided as a civilized world that blanket statements about any reasonably large group of people are a bad thing. </p>
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		<title>By: CH</title>
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		<dc:creator>CH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The other two felt that anything that raises awareness, education, and financial resources to tackle this problem was just fine.&quot;

But this is just a variation of &quot;the end justifies the means&quot;, and I do not agree with that. At some point you start to sell short. And is there really any awareness raising in any of the posters above? Seems more like just cheap shots to me.

I don&#039;t have breast cancer (as far as I know), but I as a woman am offended by posters like the ones above. Especially the last one. I&#039;m also going WTF, it&#039;s seriously offensive and wrong on so many levels I don&#039;t even know where to begin. &quot;So keep them safe, you lucky bitch.&quot; What... the... FUCK!?!?!?!?

But most of all... they seem to imply that what is important in a woman are her breasts. Not all women are born with massive honkers, not all women are able to keep them, and apparently that makes them non-interesting. But who cares about the women anyway... what is important is the boobies... massive ones... for men to oogle and touch (2nd base and that pile of shit of &quot;If I had boobies&quot; poster). Poor men... cancer threatening the female boobies. (How about a poster, once in awhile, raising the awareness of male breast cancer?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The other two felt that anything that raises awareness, education, and financial resources to tackle this problem was just fine.&#8221;</p>
<p>But this is just a variation of &#8220;the end justifies the means&#8221;, and I do not agree with that. At some point you start to sell short. And is there really any awareness raising in any of the posters above? Seems more like just cheap shots to me.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have breast cancer (as far as I know), but I as a woman am offended by posters like the ones above. Especially the last one. I&#8217;m also going WTF, it&#8217;s seriously offensive and wrong on so many levels I don&#8217;t even know where to begin. &#8220;So keep them safe, you lucky bitch.&#8221; What&#8230; the&#8230; FUCK!?!?!?!?</p>
<p>But most of all&#8230; they seem to imply that what is important in a woman are her breasts. Not all women are born with massive honkers, not all women are able to keep them, and apparently that makes them non-interesting. But who cares about the women anyway&#8230; what is important is the boobies&#8230; massive ones&#8230; for men to oogle and touch (2nd base and that pile of shit of &#8220;If I had boobies&#8221; poster). Poor men&#8230; cancer threatening the female boobies. (How about a poster, once in awhile, raising the awareness of male breast cancer?)</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Davison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Davison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, charities have been around for decades, and still there are gaps in awareness as well as research funding. So perhaps the long history of charities is not the best justification here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, charities have been around for decades, and still there are gaps in awareness as well as research funding. So perhaps the long history of charities is not the best justification here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Davison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Davison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not what I said. I was pointing out that opinions differ, even among cancer patients &amp; survivors. Xeni was appealing to her status as a cancer patient as part of her justification for her claim that this is inappropriate. Her personal experience adds a lot of weight and credibility to her opinion on this topic. However, it is then beneficial to advancing the conversation on the propriety of this type of media campaign, I believe, to point out that other people in a similar position think differently than Xeni. 

Presenting a different point of view should not be over simplified and taken to mean that my opinion is to condone this activity. It means only that different people, all with personal experience in this issue, have different opinions. As such, as final determination on the propriety of these types of media messages should be informed by both sides of the argument.

As such, I am myself somewhat ambivalent: My self image as a &quot;man&quot; is not strongly connected to this part of my anatomy, and my risk of breast cancer is significantly less than a female might face, so I am skeptical of any initial &quot;gut&quot; reaction I have on an issue that I am less likely to be able understand from the inside. I recognize the potential negative gender stereotyping in this issue, but I balance that with the idea that women are beautiful, and why should celebrating that beautify in connection with a campaign to combat breast cancer automatically be a negative thing? But is this type of media &quot;celebrating&quot; or &quot;exploiting&quot;? I&#039;m not sure. To me, it seems like a grey area, as typified by the differing opinions of those who suffer form this disease. Hence my own ambivalence.

So, you see, not just a flat &quot;Oh it must be okay then&quot;. Thinking that based on my original comment is too pat and over simplified. It is easy to attribute the opposite opinion to anyone who may disagree with your own stance, but in this case the truth is much more nuanced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not what I said. I was pointing out that opinions differ, even among cancer patients &amp; survivors. Xeni was appealing to her status as a cancer patient as part of her justification for her claim that this is inappropriate. Her personal experience adds a lot of weight and credibility to her opinion on this topic. However, it is then beneficial to advancing the conversation on the propriety of this type of media campaign, I believe, to point out that other people in a similar position think differently than Xeni. </p>
<p>Presenting a different point of view should not be over simplified and taken to mean that my opinion is to condone this activity. It means only that different people, all with personal experience in this issue, have different opinions. As such, as final determination on the propriety of these types of media messages should be informed by both sides of the argument.</p>
<p>As such, I am myself somewhat ambivalent: My self image as a &#8220;man&#8221; is not strongly connected to this part of my anatomy, and my risk of breast cancer is significantly less than a female might face, so I am skeptical of any initial &#8220;gut&#8221; reaction I have on an issue that I am less likely to be able understand from the inside. I recognize the potential negative gender stereotyping in this issue, but I balance that with the idea that women are beautiful, and why should celebrating that beautify in connection with a campaign to combat breast cancer automatically be a negative thing? But is this type of media &#8220;celebrating&#8221; or &#8220;exploiting&#8221;? I&#8217;m not sure. To me, it seems like a grey area, as typified by the differing opinions of those who suffer form this disease. Hence my own ambivalence.</p>
<p>So, you see, not just a flat &#8220;Oh it must be okay then&#8221;. Thinking that based on my original comment is too pat and over simplified. It is easy to attribute the opposite opinion to anyone who may disagree with your own stance, but in this case the truth is much more nuanced.</p>
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		<title>By: Camp Freddie</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/30/sexy-breast-cancer-campaigns-a.html#comment-1570123</link>
		<dc:creator>Camp Freddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, those are horrid campaigns.

It&#039;s like raising money for the partially-blind by going on about how awesome it is to have 20-20 vision.

I&#039;ve seen some light-hearted awareness campaigns that focus on the issue of examining breasts/testicles for lumps. I think they&#039;re fine, since they have an important message that checking yourself for cancer isn&#039;t dirty or disgusting.
But making an anti-cancer campaign about maximising your sexual attractiveness... just no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, those are horrid campaigns.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like raising money for the partially-blind by going on about how awesome it is to have 20-20 vision.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen some light-hearted awareness campaigns that focus on the issue of examining breasts/testicles for lumps. I think they&#8217;re fine, since they have an important message that checking yourself for cancer isn&#8217;t dirty or disgusting.<br />
But making an anti-cancer campaign about maximising your sexual attractiveness&#8230; just no.</p>
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		<title>By: Anton Gully</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/10/30/sexy-breast-cancer-campaigns-a.html#comment-1570120</link>
		<dc:creator>Anton Gully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you.

Telling a segment of the population, male and female, the ones who are going to respond to this sort of advertising that you don&#039;t want their money is jim dandy and all, but if that money helped research treatment or ideally a cure then would future cancer sufferers really thank you for taking a stand on their behalf?

Also, this may be the most effective way of parting that particular segment of the population (I reckon they&#039;re probably known as &quot;the majority&quot; but I have little faith in humanity) and if you can&#039;t have their hearts and minds, you may as well have their wallets. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you.</p>
<p>Telling a segment of the population, male and female, the ones who are going to respond to this sort of advertising that you don&#8217;t want their money is jim dandy and all, but if that money helped research treatment or ideally a cure then would future cancer sufferers really thank you for taking a stand on their behalf?</p>
<p>Also, this may be the most effective way of parting that particular segment of the population (I reckon they&#8217;re probably known as &#8220;the majority&#8221; but I have little faith in humanity) and if you can&#8217;t have their hearts and minds, you may as well have their wallets. </p>
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		<title>By: Simon Stroh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Stroh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure if the people who create those advertisements are even thinking so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure if the people who create those advertisements are even thinking so far.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh. Then its ok. </description>
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		<title>By: Angela Wilson Gyetvan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela Wilson Gyetvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Xeni.  Also goes right to the heart of what&#039;s wrong with the Komen Foundation and why they would think it was okay to withdraw support from Planned Parenthood:  for some reason, it&#039;s not about the whole woman.   By the way, here&#039;s a group to refer folks to, if they&#039;re interested in preserving fertility during cancer treatment:  http://www.fertileaction.org.   They work with women and men.  And ... @yahoo-ZEJN5UXG44RE2FZDB36NGDKZCQ:disqus, you&#039;re a rock star.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Xeni.  Also goes right to the heart of what&#8217;s wrong with the Komen Foundation and why they would think it was okay to withdraw support from Planned Parenthood:  for some reason, it&#8217;s not about the whole woman.   By the way, here&#8217;s a group to refer folks to, if they&#8217;re interested in preserving fertility during cancer treatment:  <a href="http://www.fertileaction.org.  " rel="nofollow">http://www.fertileaction.org.  </a> They work with women and men.  And &#8230; @yahoo-ZEJN5UXG44RE2FZDB36NGDKZCQ:disqus, you&#8217;re a rock star.  </p>
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		<title>By: Jim Davison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Davison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With respect, this demonstrates that you are offended by this material. That doesn&#039;t mean that all women or breast  cancer survivors are offended. I asked 3 family members who have lived through breast cancer how they felt: One was ambivalent, and wasn&#039;t sure if this was appropriate. The other two felt that anything that raises awareness, education, and financial resources to tackle this problem was just fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect, this demonstrates that you are offended by this material. That doesn&#8217;t mean that all women or breast  cancer survivors are offended. I asked 3 family members who have lived through breast cancer how they felt: One was ambivalent, and wasn&#8217;t sure if this was appropriate. The other two felt that anything that raises awareness, education, and financial resources to tackle this problem was just fine.</p>
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		<title>By: creesto</title>
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		<dc:creator>creesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Wrong time frame, but now I can&#039;t stop picturing the Roxbury Boys head-bopping for boobies</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Wrong time frame, but now I can&#8217;t stop picturing the Roxbury Boys head-bopping for boobies</p>
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		<title>By: creesto</title>
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		<dc:creator>creesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> ALMOST CERTAINLY raises funds large enough for huge executive compensation packages, teams of brand defending lawyers and expensive marketing campaigns to ensure RINSE and REPEAT on the formula</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> ALMOST CERTAINLY raises funds large enough for huge executive compensation packages, teams of brand defending lawyers and expensive marketing campaigns to ensure RINSE and REPEAT on the formula</p>
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		<title>By: traalfaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>traalfaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I&#039;ve read in the last couple of years I understand that Komen is probably not the best place to give money for breast cancer.  As someone who had been giving them a bill or two a year for a while before that, I&#039;d like to know, what&#039;s an actual GOOD place to give, someplace that gives a large percentage of their funds to research?  I would especially like to hear about ones who give to research that&#039;s likely to be as open as possible, like universities or health systems in some country that is advanced and would share their breakthroughs openly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I&#8217;ve read in the last couple of years I understand that Komen is probably not the best place to give money for breast cancer.  As someone who had been giving them a bill or two a year for a while before that, I&#8217;d like to know, what&#8217;s an actual GOOD place to give, someplace that gives a large percentage of their funds to research?  I would especially like to hear about ones who give to research that&#8217;s likely to be as open as possible, like universities or health systems in some country that is advanced and would share their breakthroughs openly.</p>
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		<title>By: marilove</title>
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		<dc:creator>marilove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here, some more information on headless women in media:

http://jezebel.com/5936655/headless-breasts-star-in-charming-axe-commercial
Axe has yet another sexist commercial, this time featuring headless women!  (Jezebel is currently offline due to Hurricane Sandy but I encourage you to read it when it is back up.)

But, you know, I guess if you&#039;re doing an advertisement for BREAST CANCER awareness, then doing a campaign similar to sexist Axe commercials is &lt;i&gt;totally&lt;/i&gt; the way to go!

Here&#039;s yet another fragrance company using headless women on their advertising:

http://www.thejanedough.com/alibi-fragrance-ad/

Wait.  You mean to tell me this is a complicated subject that perhaps you really know nothing about?  Huh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here, some more information on headless women in media:</p>
<p><a href="http://jezebel.com/5936655/headless-breasts-star-in-charming-axe-commercial" rel="nofollow">http://jezebel.com/5936655/headless-breasts-star-in-charming-axe-commercial</a><br />
Axe has yet another sexist commercial, this time featuring headless women!  (Jezebel is currently offline due to Hurricane Sandy but I encourage you to read it when it is back up.)</p>
<p>But, you know, I guess if you&#8217;re doing an advertisement for BREAST CANCER awareness, then doing a campaign similar to sexist Axe commercials is <i>totally</i> the way to go!</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s yet another fragrance company using headless women on their advertising:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thejanedough.com/alibi-fragrance-ad/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thejanedough.com/alibi-fragrance-ad/</a></p>
<p>Wait.  You mean to tell me this is a complicated subject that perhaps you really know nothing about?  Huh.</p>
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