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	<title>Comments on: Report: Black mother who sought help as sons drowned during Sandy was&#160;denied</title>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Terry</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/03/report-black-mother-who-sough.html#comment-1573627</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2012 02:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just replying to your post.  You think I am derailing, but honestly, I&#039;m just replying to your post.  I&#039;m not trying to deny anyone&#039;s experience.  I&#039;m not even denying that racist factors could very possibly have played a factor in this whole thing. They definitely could have.  I&#039;m not trying to be a bad person on the internet.  I may be arguing against something you are not saying, because I&#039;m reading what you are saying wrong.  If so, I&#039;m sorry, it was not done intentionally.  

My basic point is that clearly racism is going on (in the general sense).  Personally I will not call people horribly racist as individuals when there is not some fairly clear bit of evidence.  I know that means that a lot of racism goes uncondemned, because racists don&#039;t slip up and give you that evidence often enough. Someone telling me about their experience does not get dismissed.  Evidence/fact, as &quot;luxury of the privileged&quot; as your link says it is, does plenty to support the idea that racism is a real problem, I think.  Systemic inequities tell us that is something is up.  Real people are doing real things that perpetuate all of it.

So, I guess, what is to be done?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just replying to your post.  You think I am derailing, but honestly, I&#8217;m just replying to your post.  I&#8217;m not trying to deny anyone&#8217;s experience.  I&#8217;m not even denying that racist factors could very possibly have played a factor in this whole thing. They definitely could have.  I&#8217;m not trying to be a bad person on the internet.  I may be arguing against something you are not saying, because I&#8217;m reading what you are saying wrong.  If so, I&#8217;m sorry, it was not done intentionally.  </p>
<p>My basic point is that clearly racism is going on (in the general sense).  Personally I will not call people horribly racist as individuals when there is not some fairly clear bit of evidence.  I know that means that a lot of racism goes uncondemned, because racists don&#8217;t slip up and give you that evidence often enough. Someone telling me about their experience does not get dismissed.  Evidence/fact, as &#8220;luxury of the privileged&#8221; as your link says it is, does plenty to support the idea that racism is a real problem, I think.  Systemic inequities tell us that is something is up.  Real people are doing real things that perpetuate all of it.</p>
<p>So, I guess, what is to be done?</p>
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		<title>By: tomrigid</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/03/report-black-mother-who-sough.html#comment-1573623</link>
		<dc:creator>tomrigid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2012 02:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few hundred years ago a number of plantation farmers were short of labor. Native labor was decimated by smallpox and other diseases against which they had little resistance. Indentured whites were killed or incapacitated by malaria at highly unprofitable rates. Enslaved Africans, however, were resistant to disease and available in large numbers through well-established channels. Within a few years, all slave labor in the North American colonies was African. Later, the ideas of blackness and slave-ness were conflated in our national consciousness, but it wasn&#039;t always and ever thus. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few hundred years ago a number of plantation farmers were short of labor. Native labor was decimated by smallpox and other diseases against which they had little resistance. Indentured whites were killed or incapacitated by malaria at highly unprofitable rates. Enslaved Africans, however, were resistant to disease and available in large numbers through well-established channels. Within a few years, all slave labor in the North American colonies was African. Later, the ideas of blackness and slave-ness were conflated in our national consciousness, but it wasn&#8217;t always and ever thus. </p>
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		<title>By: blueelm</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/03/report-black-mother-who-sough.html#comment-1573603</link>
		<dc:creator>blueelm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2012 00:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It amazes me always, people&#039;s instinct is to protect their own emotional investment at all costs. Tell them a tragic story and the first things you&#039;ll hear are: They deserved it, I would have done better, well we don&#039;t know the facts but it&#039;s possible they deserved it, etc. This is... unless the person who it happened to just HAPPENS to be more like them. Oh dear, then it&#039;s a real victim and real injustice and oh the humanity...

Kind of like not opening your door when there&#039;s trouble around, really, unless it&#039;s some one you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It amazes me always, people&#8217;s instinct is to protect their own emotional investment at all costs. Tell them a tragic story and the first things you&#8217;ll hear are: They deserved it, I would have done better, well we don&#8217;t know the facts but it&#8217;s possible they deserved it, etc. This is&#8230; unless the person who it happened to just HAPPENS to be more like them. Oh dear, then it&#8217;s a real victim and real injustice and oh the humanity&#8230;</p>
<p>Kind of like not opening your door when there&#8217;s trouble around, really, unless it&#8217;s some one you know.</p>
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		<title>By: taras</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/03/report-black-mother-who-sough.html#comment-1573591</link>
		<dc:creator>taras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2012 00:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nowhere in this post or in the news story does it explain the demographic/political makeup of Staten Island.  So it&#039;s a white, Republican area. That&#039;s all you needed to say. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nowhere in this post or in the news story does it explain the demographic/political makeup of Staten Island.  So it&#8217;s a white, Republican area. That&#8217;s all you needed to say. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: millie fink</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/03/report-black-mother-who-sough.html#comment-1573578</link>
		<dc:creator>millie fink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 23:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, let&#039;s see, BT, are you derailing this way?

http://www.derailingfordummies.com/complete.html#opinion

Or is it this way?

http://www.derailingfordummies.com/complete.html#proveit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, let&#8217;s see, BT, are you derailing this way?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.derailingfordummies.com/complete.html#opinion" rel="nofollow">http://www.derailingfordummies.com/complete.html#opinion</a></p>
<p>Or is it this way?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.derailingfordummies.com/complete.html#proveit" rel="nofollow">http://www.derailingfordummies.com/complete.html#proveit</a></p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Terry</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/03/report-black-mother-who-sough.html#comment-1573564</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 23:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may be right, and you may be wrong, but your post is crammed full of a bunch of narrative affirming assumptions.  Horrific racism?  The story doesn&#039;t even mentioned who denied her aid.  Perhaps there was a racist component to some peoples&#039; response, but all of them?  Do we even know the races of all involved aside from the woman seeking aid?  Is there any evidence that anyone considered her a &quot;scary&quot; black woman?  Again... maybe that&#039;s true?  We don&#039;t know any of that.  So I don&#039;t think we can grant the assumptions you&#039;ve made as a given.  I don&#039;t see how you can argue convincingly that &quot;hey, this is clearly how about how horrifically racist everyone she talked to was that night, they thought she was a &#039;scary&#039; black woman&quot;.  It has this feel of... being against a horrible thing, racism that would lead to someone being left to die in an emergency  etc., then leaping to a conclusion about a story because it affirms how racism is still an awful issue.  Obviously, yeah, it still is.  On the other hand, I&#039;m not willing to paint every one of a bunch of people that I have no idea about who they are, their situation, or their thoughts as &quot;horrifically racist&quot; on a suspicion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may be right, and you may be wrong, but your post is crammed full of a bunch of narrative affirming assumptions.  Horrific racism?  The story doesn&#8217;t even mentioned who denied her aid.  Perhaps there was a racist component to some peoples&#8217; response, but all of them?  Do we even know the races of all involved aside from the woman seeking aid?  Is there any evidence that anyone considered her a &#8220;scary&#8221; black woman?  Again&#8230; maybe that&#8217;s true?  We don&#8217;t know any of that.  So I don&#8217;t think we can grant the assumptions you&#8217;ve made as a given.  I don&#8217;t see how you can argue convincingly that &#8220;hey, this is clearly how about how horrifically racist everyone she talked to was that night, they thought she was a &#8216;scary&#8217; black woman&#8221;.  It has this feel of&#8230; being against a horrible thing, racism that would lead to someone being left to die in an emergency  etc., then leaping to a conclusion about a story because it affirms how racism is still an awful issue.  Obviously, yeah, it still is.  On the other hand, I&#8217;m not willing to paint every one of a bunch of people that I have no idea about who they are, their situation, or their thoughts as &#8220;horrifically racist&#8221; on a suspicion.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/03/report-black-mother-who-sough.html#comment-1573561</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 23:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> As an example of the pervasion of race issues in the US, back in 2002, I was working on assignment in Dallas for a period of five months. On the Fourth of July, I lost my mobile phone and thought it prudent to report it to the police.

The questioning I was put through by the police to determine my race (before I even told them I was reporting a lost mobile phone) was like a scene from a Monty Python sketch. 

I was asked if I was White, Hispanic or Black. When I replied that I was a foreigner and didn&#039;t fit into any of these categories, I was asked again. This time, I told them I was brown but not Hispanic. Again, the same question. So I told them where I was born and which country I was living in (and a citizen of). Again, it didn&#039;t fit into any category, so again the same question. Again, I couldn&#039;t give a satisfactory answer. Eventually, in exasperation, I was granted honorary White status.

I wondered if the police response to an incident is determined by the race of the victim and maybe (to some extent) this is the same attitude that pervades US society.

The phone was never found and I never returned to the US (and probably never will). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> As an example of the pervasion of race issues in the US, back in 2002, I was working on assignment in Dallas for a period of five months. On the Fourth of July, I lost my mobile phone and thought it prudent to report it to the police.</p>
<p>The questioning I was put through by the police to determine my race (before I even told them I was reporting a lost mobile phone) was like a scene from a Monty Python sketch. </p>
<p>I was asked if I was White, Hispanic or Black. When I replied that I was a foreigner and didn&#8217;t fit into any of these categories, I was asked again. This time, I told them I was brown but not Hispanic. Again, the same question. So I told them where I was born and which country I was living in (and a citizen of). Again, it didn&#8217;t fit into any category, so again the same question. Again, I couldn&#8217;t give a satisfactory answer. Eventually, in exasperation, I was granted honorary White status.</p>
<p>I wondered if the police response to an incident is determined by the race of the victim and maybe (to some extent) this is the same attitude that pervades US society.</p>
<p>The phone was never found and I never returned to the US (and probably never will). </p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/03/report-black-mother-who-sough.html#comment-1573551</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 22:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are confusing searching for children with even opening up a door.</description>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/03/report-black-mother-who-sough.html#comment-1573548</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 22:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We don&#039;t know anything about the people who turned this woman away.  Whether they, too, were black, or white, or any other race; whether they were English-speaking Americans, or illegal immigrants scared out of their minds; whether they were young and able bodied, or elderly, infirm, disabled, or otherwise smart not to let a stranger into their home.  Or even how many houses she tried.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually we do.  The main guy was a white man named &quot;Dan&quot; (last name withheld) who&#039;s excuse now that he&#039;s been shamed is that he thought Glenda Moore was a scary *man*, oh, and that he had on &#039;flip flops and shorts&#039;......

&lt;i&gt;He said he did not know the fate of the children. Told that their bodies had been found, he said the deaths were a tragedy, but implied that the woman was at fault.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;It&#039;s unfortunate. She shouldn&#039;t have been out though. You know, it&#039;s one of those things,&quot; he said.&lt;/i&gt;

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/02/world/americas/sandy-staten-island-brothers/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We don&#8217;t know anything about the people who turned this woman away.  Whether they, too, were black, or white, or any other race; whether they were English-speaking Americans, or illegal immigrants scared out of their minds; whether they were young and able bodied, or elderly, infirm, disabled, or otherwise smart not to let a stranger into their home.  Or even how many houses she tried.</i></p>
<p>Actually we do.  The main guy was a white man named &#8220;Dan&#8221; (last name withheld) who&#8217;s excuse now that he&#8217;s been shamed is that he thought Glenda Moore was a scary *man*, oh, and that he had on &#8216;flip flops and shorts&#8217;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p><i>He said he did not know the fate of the children. Told that their bodies had been found, he said the deaths were a tragedy, but implied that the woman was at fault.</i> </p>
<p><i>&#8220;It&#8217;s unfortunate. She shouldn&#8217;t have been out though. You know, it&#8217;s one of those things,&#8221; he said.</i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/02/world/americas/sandy-staten-island-brothers/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/02/world/americas/sandy-staten-island-brothers/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Boundegar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boundegar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 22:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you did it to the least of these, you did it also to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you did it to the least of these, you did it also to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Boundegar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boundegar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 22:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s possible she showed poor judgement, but is this the best opportunity to point that out?  Could we maybe wait for the funeral, at least?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s possible she showed poor judgement, but is this the best opportunity to point that out?  Could we maybe wait for the funeral, at least?</p>
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		<title>By: Boundegar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boundegar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 22:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is almost never solid evidence that any single incident involves racism.  Does it therefore follow that racism does not exist?  By the same logic, there is no solid evidence that climate change causes any single weather event, therefore climate change is not real.  Also, no product causes cancer, or any other illness - because trends do not exist in the same sense as anecdotes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is almost never solid evidence that any single incident involves racism.  Does it therefore follow that racism does not exist?  By the same logic, there is no solid evidence that climate change causes any single weather event, therefore climate change is not real.  Also, no product causes cancer, or any other illness &#8211; because trends do not exist in the same sense as anecdotes.</p>
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		<title>By: inleaguewith</title>
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		<dc:creator>inleaguewith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By that point, her children were likely long dead. How do you go looking for two small children who were &quot;swept away&quot; by flood waters during a hurricane and at night?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By that point, her children were likely long dead. How do you go looking for two small children who were &#8220;swept away&#8221; by flood waters during a hurricane and at night?</p>
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		<title>By: inleaguewith</title>
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		<dc:creator>inleaguewith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 22:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you claiming that racism was the primary factor in this? What evidence is there that she was &quot;turned away&quot; because she&#039;s black?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you claiming that racism was the primary factor in this? What evidence is there that she was &#8220;turned away&#8221; because she&#8217;s black?</p>
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		<title>By: millie fink</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/03/report-black-mother-who-sough.html#comment-1573530</link>
		<dc:creator>millie fink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re asking that you be taken seriously when you quote . . . Reagan?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re asking that you be taken seriously when you quote . . . Reagan?!</p>
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		<title>By: thatbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>thatbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 21:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t know anything about the people who turned this woman away.  Whether they, too, were black, or white, or any other race; whether they were English-speaking Americans, or illegal immigrants scared out of their minds; whether they were young and able bodied, or elderly, infirm, disabled, or otherwise smart not to let a stranger into their home.  Or even how many houses she tried.

The people who stay behind in catastrophes like hurricanes are people who have no where else to go, or who are willing to bunker down and die alone with the property they have.  They aren&#039;t negotiating from positions of strength; they are the victims of these circumstances, at least as much as this woman and her poor children are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t know anything about the people who turned this woman away.  Whether they, too, were black, or white, or any other race; whether they were English-speaking Americans, or illegal immigrants scared out of their minds; whether they were young and able bodied, or elderly, infirm, disabled, or otherwise smart not to let a stranger into their home.  Or even how many houses she tried.</p>
<p>The people who stay behind in catastrophes like hurricanes are people who have no where else to go, or who are willing to bunker down and die alone with the property they have.  They aren&#8217;t negotiating from positions of strength; they are the victims of these circumstances, at least as much as this woman and her poor children are.</p>
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		<title>By: millie fink</title>
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		<dc:creator>millie fink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 21:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A primary reason that race is such an important factor in this story, and in the U.S. generally, is that a couple centuries or so ago, landowning elites here decided that those below them needed to be divided against each other, so that they wouldn&#039;t unite against their &quot;betters.&quot; Ergo, enslaved servitude was confined to &quot;blacks&quot; from Africa, indigenous people were more overtly declared &quot;red&quot; &quot;savages,&quot; and &quot;white&quot; become a relatively free, vaunted, and sought-after identity, one that has obscured class relations ever since by fooling lower-class whites into thinking they have more in common with rich whites than they do with their non-white working brethren. Unfortunately, this trick has worked so well, and gone through so many permutations, that racism still pervades American institutions, landscapes, relations, and psyches.

And so, when a mother who happens to be black desperately pounds during a hurricane on the doors of white people (who live in a largely Republican district, thereby suggesting their even greater susceptibility to the fiction of inherent and significant racial difference), said white people are undoubtedly more likely to slam the door in her face than they would in a white woman&#039;s face, because they have been taught by an ongoing white supremacist legacy that &quot;black&quot; = &quot;dangerous.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A primary reason that race is such an important factor in this story, and in the U.S. generally, is that a couple centuries or so ago, landowning elites here decided that those below them needed to be divided against each other, so that they wouldn&#8217;t unite against their &#8220;betters.&#8221; Ergo, enslaved servitude was confined to &#8220;blacks&#8221; from Africa, indigenous people were more overtly declared &#8220;red&#8221; &#8220;savages,&#8221; and &#8220;white&#8221; become a relatively free, vaunted, and sought-after identity, one that has obscured class relations ever since by fooling lower-class whites into thinking they have more in common with rich whites than they do with their non-white working brethren. Unfortunately, this trick has worked so well, and gone through so many permutations, that racism still pervades American institutions, landscapes, relations, and psyches.</p>
<p>And so, when a mother who happens to be black desperately pounds during a hurricane on the doors of white people (who live in a largely Republican district, thereby suggesting their even greater susceptibility to the fiction of inherent and significant racial difference), said white people are undoubtedly more likely to slam the door in her face than they would in a white woman&#8217;s face, because they have been taught by an ongoing white supremacist legacy that &#8220;black&#8221; = &#8220;dangerous.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/03/report-black-mother-who-sough.html#comment-1573514</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I didn&#039;t realize Britain was insulated and free from incidents of racial discrimination.......  Give me a break.</description>
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		<title>By: taras</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/03/report-black-mother-who-sough.html#comment-1573509</link>
		<dc:creator>taras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 21:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe not for the main story, but could someone in the comments explain for non-American readers why race is such an important factor here? Please remember that we happy mutants are a global phenomenon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe not for the main story, but could someone in the comments explain for non-American readers why race is such an important factor here? Please remember that we happy mutants are a global phenomenon.</p>
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		<title>By: Diogenes</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/03/report-black-mother-who-sough.html#comment-1573508</link>
		<dc:creator>Diogenes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 21:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I disagree.  The stories are vague enough to be confusing.  That doesn&#039;t lessen the tragedy, but it&#039;s hard to be sure exactly what happened and what was said and done.  Searching for the truth is not concern trolling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I disagree.  The stories are vague enough to be confusing.  That doesn&#8217;t lessen the tragedy, but it&#8217;s hard to be sure exactly what happened and what was said and done.  Searching for the truth is not concern trolling.</p>
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		<title>By: Diogenes</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/03/report-black-mother-who-sough.html#comment-1573497</link>
		<dc:creator>Diogenes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 20:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course you&#039;re blaming the victim.  You&#039;re saying they could have avoided the tragedy if they&#039;d only had your 20/20 hindsight.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course you&#8217;re blaming the victim.  You&#8217;re saying they could have avoided the tragedy if they&#8217;d only had your 20/20 hindsight.   </p>
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		<title>By: JigSawJazz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/03/report-black-mother-who-sough.html#comment-1573488</link>
		<dc:creator>JigSawJazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 20:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what exactly was the content of your message? That it was acceptable to ignore this desperate woman&#039;s plea for help, shut the door on her, turn off the lights, and leave her huddled on some doorstep during the storm, because hey; deep down we&#039;re all just assholes right. Or were you simply attempting to illustrate how this was all the victims fault?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what exactly was the content of your message? That it was acceptable to ignore this desperate woman&#8217;s plea for help, shut the door on her, turn off the lights, and leave her huddled on some doorstep during the storm, because hey; deep down we&#8217;re all just assholes right. Or were you simply attempting to illustrate how this was all the victims fault?</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/03/report-black-mother-who-sough.html#comment-1573485</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 20:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I am making cogent points&lt;/i&gt;

Please, you&#039;re trying to divert the blame. The story isn&#039;t that somebody was expected to go swimming off into the hurricane to find her kids, but that (if accounts are true) people wouldn&#039;t even open their doors to a fellow human in a desperate situation, and didn&#039;t even appear to even show sympathy. There are obviously other ways to assist that don&#039;t involve mounting a one man Coast Guard rescue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I am making cogent points</i></p>
<p>Please, you&#8217;re trying to divert the blame. The story isn&#8217;t that somebody was expected to go swimming off into the hurricane to find her kids, but that (if accounts are true) people wouldn&#8217;t even open their doors to a fellow human in a desperate situation, and didn&#8217;t even appear to even show sympathy. There are obviously other ways to assist that don&#8217;t involve mounting a one man Coast Guard rescue.</p>
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		<title>By: anonmonkey25</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/03/report-black-mother-who-sough.html#comment-1573482</link>
		<dc:creator>anonmonkey25</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 20:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank for for totally ignoring the content of my message and trying to make a point about my decision to not associate myself with my online persona for professional reasons.  I&#039;m sure what you describe is the norm, but in this case it&#039;s not - so I must assume that you are Navin Johnson, and look like Steve Martin from the Jerk in real life.  The point of my account is to be anonymous and be judged on content, unconnected from my actual life, but I can add some details to give context to what I am saying.  Your account is no more you than mine is me, except that you are trolling, and I am making cogent points about a sad situation and the reality of the world we live in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank for for totally ignoring the content of my message and trying to make a point about my decision to not associate myself with my online persona for professional reasons.  I&#8217;m sure what you describe is the norm, but in this case it&#8217;s not &#8211; so I must assume that you are Navin Johnson, and look like Steve Martin from the Jerk in real life.  The point of my account is to be anonymous and be judged on content, unconnected from my actual life, but I can add some details to give context to what I am saying.  Your account is no more you than mine is me, except that you are trolling, and I am making cogent points about a sad situation and the reality of the world we live in.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/03/report-black-mother-who-sough.html#comment-1573480</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 19:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Katrina Survivor/2x War Vet&quot;

I always find it interesting how so many anonymous internet commenters have these kinds of credentials that immediately give them some kind of authority over everybody else.  Kind of like all the anonymous libertarians who claim to be wealthy small businessmen who clawed their way up from poverty..

Oops our bad, you win sir, we&#039;ll just shut up now...

Flood survivor and a war hero, that trumps everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Katrina Survivor/2x War Vet&#8221;</p>
<p>I always find it interesting how so many anonymous internet commenters have these kinds of credentials that immediately give them some kind of authority over everybody else.  Kind of like all the anonymous libertarians who claim to be wealthy small businessmen who clawed their way up from poverty..</p>
<p>Oops our bad, you win sir, we&#8217;ll just shut up now&#8230;</p>
<p>Flood survivor and a war hero, that trumps everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/03/report-black-mother-who-sough.html#comment-1573476</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 19:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes you are blaming the victim.</description>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/03/report-black-mother-who-sough.html#comment-1573475</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 19:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LESS FILLING!!</description>
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		<title>By: anonmonkey25</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/03/report-black-mother-who-sough.html#comment-1573470</link>
		<dc:creator>anonmonkey25</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 19:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so tired of this trope that just because you are a &quot;victim&quot; you are beyond criticism and personal responsibility for some or possibly all of the events playing out how they did, especially when the &quot;aggressor&quot; is a force of nature and has no bias one way or the other.  Those poor kids were the victims of their mothers EXTREMELY poor decision making and planning, she had a week of warning to take care of her family in a more responsible manner.  Even if the neighbors had helped, there is no reason to think the result would have been any different, except possibly more dead neighbors.  

I grant that it would have been great had they tried to assist in some way and I personally would have (Katrina Survivor/2x War Vet), but they are not required or trained to do that any more than the mother was prepared to save her OWN kids.  The lady behind the door was not in a better position to assist than the mother in distress who LEFT her kids to find help.  It&#039;s very easy to sit from afar and judge others in this chaos, but when the thin veneer we call civilization breaks down all that &quot;good samaritan&quot; stuff goes right out the window for most regular folks.  They have their own families to consider - this is not a case of flat tires on a sunny day - it&#039;s a nightmare scenario that tests peoples resolve, training, and life experiences.

Lastly, no there should not be a law requiring people to risk their own lives for strangers.  People are allowed to be selfish, scared, unprepared and unequipped, which is why we exalt those who CHOOSE to answer the call of duty when the time comes, it is uncommon courage and valor and putting others before yourself.  It is also unfair to hold everyone to that standard of living, because we are all created equal - but we develop in different areas UNEQUALLY.  That gives us the diversity to achieve greatness, we don&#039;t live in the utopia people here seem to imagine, not yet at least - and I really do hope we make that happen...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so tired of this trope that just because you are a &#8220;victim&#8221; you are beyond criticism and personal responsibility for some or possibly all of the events playing out how they did, especially when the &#8220;aggressor&#8221; is a force of nature and has no bias one way or the other.  Those poor kids were the victims of their mothers EXTREMELY poor decision making and planning, she had a week of warning to take care of her family in a more responsible manner.  Even if the neighbors had helped, there is no reason to think the result would have been any different, except possibly more dead neighbors.  </p>
<p>I grant that it would have been great had they tried to assist in some way and I personally would have (Katrina Survivor/2x War Vet), but they are not required or trained to do that any more than the mother was prepared to save her OWN kids.  The lady behind the door was not in a better position to assist than the mother in distress who LEFT her kids to find help.  It&#8217;s very easy to sit from afar and judge others in this chaos, but when the thin veneer we call civilization breaks down all that &#8220;good samaritan&#8221; stuff goes right out the window for most regular folks.  They have their own families to consider &#8211; this is not a case of flat tires on a sunny day &#8211; it&#8217;s a nightmare scenario that tests peoples resolve, training, and life experiences.</p>
<p>Lastly, no there should not be a law requiring people to risk their own lives for strangers.  People are allowed to be selfish, scared, unprepared and unequipped, which is why we exalt those who CHOOSE to answer the call of duty when the time comes, it is uncommon courage and valor and putting others before yourself.  It is also unfair to hold everyone to that standard of living, because we are all created equal &#8211; but we develop in different areas UNEQUALLY.  That gives us the diversity to achieve greatness, we don&#8217;t live in the utopia people here seem to imagine, not yet at least &#8211; and I really do hope we make that happen&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: momus_98</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/03/report-black-mother-who-sough.html#comment-1573458</link>
		<dc:creator>momus_98</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 19:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To quote Reagan: &quot;Trust, then verify&quot;; I hate that &quot;concern trolling&quot; is used so dismissively.

I frequently trumpet news articles on Facebook, but always check a second source to verify its authenticity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To quote Reagan: &#8220;Trust, then verify&#8221;; I hate that &#8220;concern trolling&#8221; is used so dismissively.</p>
<p>I frequently trumpet news articles on Facebook, but always check a second source to verify its authenticity.</p>
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		<title>By: niktemadur</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/03/report-black-mother-who-sough.html#comment-1573441</link>
		<dc:creator>niktemadur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 18:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once I woke up with the house on fire (during a Santa Ana wind condition), and the levels of confusion and panic are insane.

You are correct, all bets are off when a situation becomes untenable or feels like it&#039;s become untenable.
One thing is for certain, though:  Fuck chaos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once I woke up with the house on fire (during a Santa Ana wind condition), and the levels of confusion and panic are insane.</p>
<p>You are correct, all bets are off when a situation becomes untenable or feels like it&#8217;s become untenable.<br />
One thing is for certain, though:  Fuck chaos.</p>
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