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	<title>Comments on: Voter suppression: targeting the poor, the old, and&#160;students</title>
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		<title>By: rick stanley</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voter-suppression-targeting-t.html#comment-1579472</link>
		<dc:creator>rick stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 01:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>repeatedly, in the face.</description>
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		<title>By: oasisob1</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voter-suppression-targeting-t.html#comment-1575965</link>
		<dc:creator>oasisob1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dragonfrog</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voter-suppression-targeting-t.html#comment-1575838</link>
		<dc:creator>dragonfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 03:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At a federal election, a federal MP. 
At a provincial election, a provincial MLA/MNA, plus if you&#039;re in a province that whose legislature has unconstitutional views about how the senate should work, a senate &quot;nominee&quot;.
At a municipal election, maybe five or six things, including a few &quot;choose up to N of M&quot;

Provincial and city elections are on their own timetables, and even if some district were insane enough to try to hold them on the same day, Elections Canada would laugh out of the room any province or municipality that asked for special ballots to be printed, different polling stations in the same federal riding to get different ones depending on which provincial ridings they fall into, or even for the some federal polling volunteers to get special training to cover two different elections they&#039;d be managing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At a federal election, a federal MP.<br />
At a provincial election, a provincial MLA/MNA, plus if you&#8217;re in a province that whose legislature has unconstitutional views about how the senate should work, a senate &#8220;nominee&#8221;.<br />
At a municipal election, maybe five or six things, including a few &#8220;choose up to N of M&#8221;</p>
<p>Provincial and city elections are on their own timetables, and even if some district were insane enough to try to hold them on the same day, Elections Canada would laugh out of the room any province or municipality that asked for special ballots to be printed, different polling stations in the same federal riding to get different ones depending on which provincial ridings they fall into, or even for the some federal polling volunteers to get special training to cover two different elections they&#8217;d be managing.</p>
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		<title>By: billstewart</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voter-suppression-targeting-t.html#comment-1575770</link>
		<dc:creator>billstewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 00:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least in Ohio, it&#039;s mostly the opposite.  The suburban districts don&#039;t have any problems, their voting machines work just fine, lines are short, and it all runs smoothly.  It&#039;s the big-city districts which have 2-hour lines out the door in the rain, new complex voting machines that are missing power cords or table legs or otherwise don&#039;t have all the correct parts to open on time until the city council person who lives in the district calls up the governor to get it fixed, and general chaos and anarchy.  And wouldn&#039;t you know it, the suburban districts where everything works fine are mostly Republican, and the city districts where it&#039;s a total mess are mostly Democrat, and sorry there&#039;s a line out the door, but it&#039;s 8pm and time to close the poll, y&#039;all come back early next year! 
(That was really well documented in 2004; I hope the Democrats have been aggressive enough this year about preventing the state election bureaucrats from doing it again.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least in Ohio, it&#8217;s mostly the opposite.  The suburban districts don&#8217;t have any problems, their voting machines work just fine, lines are short, and it all runs smoothly.  It&#8217;s the big-city districts which have 2-hour lines out the door in the rain, new complex voting machines that are missing power cords or table legs or otherwise don&#8217;t have all the correct parts to open on time until the city council person who lives in the district calls up the governor to get it fixed, and general chaos and anarchy.  And wouldn&#8217;t you know it, the suburban districts where everything works fine are mostly Republican, and the city districts where it&#8217;s a total mess are mostly Democrat, and sorry there&#8217;s a line out the door, but it&#8217;s 8pm and time to close the poll, y&#8217;all come back early next year!<br />
(That was really well documented in 2004; I hope the Democrats have been aggressive enough this year about preventing the state election bureaucrats from doing it again.)</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voter-suppression-targeting-t.html#comment-1575769</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 00:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I first registered to vote in this area, I signed up outside the grocery store.  When I went to the polling place I wasn&#039;t on the list.  It turns out that the people who were being paid to register voters were also being paid to throw out the forms for everyone who didn&#039;t register Republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first registered to vote in this area, I signed up outside the grocery store.  When I went to the polling place I wasn&#8217;t on the list.  It turns out that the people who were being paid to register voters were also being paid to throw out the forms for everyone who didn&#8217;t register Republican.</p>
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		<title>By: billstewart</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voter-suppression-targeting-t.html#comment-1575766</link>
		<dc:creator>billstewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 00:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was those abuses at the margins that led to George Bush&#039;s 5-4 victory over Al Gore, with no real vote recount in Florida, and while there was a lot of statistical analysis afterward that may have found most of the Republican cheating, there wasn&#039;t any systematic documentation of the intimidation of black voters that got reported in the press, nor any repairs to the votes of people who were falsely disenfranchised as &quot;felons&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was those abuses at the margins that led to George Bush&#8217;s 5-4 victory over Al Gore, with no real vote recount in Florida, and while there was a lot of statistical analysis afterward that may have found most of the Republican cheating, there wasn&#8217;t any systematic documentation of the intimidation of black voters that got reported in the press, nor any repairs to the votes of people who were falsely disenfranchised as &#8220;felons&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 00:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Up until this election, early voting for me would have been 113 miles round trip and taken three to five hours depending on traffic.  Now it&#039;s down to 25 miles round trip and about an hour of driving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Up until this election, early voting for me would have been 113 miles round trip and taken three to five hours depending on traffic.  Now it&#8217;s down to 25 miles round trip and about an hour of driving.</p>
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		<title>By: billstewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>billstewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 00:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, now, wasn&#039;t &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; a &lt;i&gt;special&lt;/i&gt; way to describe your neighbors!  Did you really intend to sound like that?    

I have a choice of ballots in something like 6 languages.  If there&#039;s any difference in how long it takes, it&#039;s because nobody&#039;s asked for the Cambodian one in an hour or so and the poll workers have to look through their stash to find a blank.  And some times there are Old People who need some help because they want to use the large-screen voting machine instead of paper ballots.  But it&#039;s just not a problem.  (And of course, since this is California, even the gringos at the polling place can speak as much Spanish as @ElBloombito, which is enough.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, now, wasn&#8217;t <i>that</i> a <i>special</i> way to describe your neighbors!  Did you really intend to sound like that?    </p>
<p>I have a choice of ballots in something like 6 languages.  If there&#8217;s any difference in how long it takes, it&#8217;s because nobody&#8217;s asked for the Cambodian one in an hour or so and the poll workers have to look through their stash to find a blank.  And some times there are Old People who need some help because they want to use the large-screen voting machine instead of paper ballots.  But it&#8217;s just not a problem.  (And of course, since this is California, even the gringos at the polling place can speak as much Spanish as @ElBloombito, which is enough.)</p>
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		<title>By: Marc45</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 00:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, lack of awareness possibly mixed in with some last minute thinking.
GOPers, being of the more successful sort in general, like to plan ahead (that&#039;s why they&#039;re more successful) and vote by mail.  So the obvious tactic is to make it hard to vote in person.
I haven&#039;t voted in person in many years.  I have better things to do than wait in line but you don&#039;t have to vote Republican to vote by mail.

In some states, employers are required to give workers time off to vote.  I&#039;ve seen it at my company that workers drive to the polls on election day simply because they won&#039;t get the time off if they vote absentee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, lack of awareness possibly mixed in with some last minute thinking.<br />
GOPers, being of the more successful sort in general, like to plan ahead (that&#8217;s why they&#8217;re more successful) and vote by mail.  So the obvious tactic is to make it hard to vote in person.<br />
I haven&#8217;t voted in person in many years.  I have better things to do than wait in line but you don&#8217;t have to vote Republican to vote by mail.</p>
<p>In some states, employers are required to give workers time off to vote.  I&#8217;ve seen it at my company that workers drive to the polls on election day simply because they won&#8217;t get the time off if they vote absentee.</p>
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		<title>By: billstewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>billstewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 00:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The number of issues affects how well the process scales.  You&#039;re voting for what, a federal MP, provincial MP, and maybe a city office?  And the result for PM is a roll-up from the district winners.  I had about 25 choices to make, so the &quot;counting by hand&quot; would take about 8 times as long (except that some are more complex, like &quot;Choose 3 out of 5 candidates for school board&quot;.)  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The number of issues affects how well the process scales.  You&#8217;re voting for what, a federal MP, provincial MP, and maybe a city office?  And the result for PM is a roll-up from the district winners.  I had about 25 choices to make, so the &#8220;counting by hand&#8221; would take about 8 times as long (except that some are more complex, like &#8220;Choose 3 out of 5 candidates for school board&#8221;.)  </p>
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		<title>By: billstewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>billstewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 00:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in California, the early voting process looks just like the regular process, except instead of going to the polling place down the block, you have to go to the inconveniently located county elections office, and the clerk who checks your data and hands you your ballot is behind a counter instead of at a rickety card table.  I did that last election when we were going to be out of town on election day, worked fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in California, the early voting process looks just like the regular process, except instead of going to the polling place down the block, you have to go to the inconveniently located county elections office, and the clerk who checks your data and hands you your ballot is behind a counter instead of at a rickety card table.  I did that last election when we were going to be out of town on election day, worked fine.</p>
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		<title>By: billstewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>billstewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 00:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only reason it takes a long time to vote on election day is if your election officials have either significantly mispredicted the number of voters who&#039;ll show up, or if they&#039;ve chosen not to have enough voting positions for the number of voters they expect.  Whether that&#039;s because they&#039;re incompetent, or cheapskates, or deliberately manipulating the voting process is something you&#039;ll have to take up with them, but there&#039;s no excuse for it, unless they&#039;ve had their plans disrupted by a natural disaster they didn&#039;t adequately prepare for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason it takes a long time to vote on election day is if your election officials have either significantly mispredicted the number of voters who&#8217;ll show up, or if they&#8217;ve chosen not to have enough voting positions for the number of voters they expect.  Whether that&#8217;s because they&#8217;re incompetent, or cheapskates, or deliberately manipulating the voting process is something you&#8217;ll have to take up with them, but there&#8217;s no excuse for it, unless they&#8217;ve had their plans disrupted by a natural disaster they didn&#8217;t adequately prepare for.</p>
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		<title>By: billstewart</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voter-suppression-targeting-t.html#comment-1575747</link>
		<dc:creator>billstewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 00:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Wow, that&#039;s incompetent!  California also gerrymandered their district boundaries, so it might have been tough for the &lt;i&gt;candidates&lt;/i&gt; to figure out which districts to run in, but my polling place has been the same for 10 years or so.  And the poll workers don&#039;t have to use computers with potential security risks to look up our names - they&#039;ve got traditional paper lists, which work Just Fine, thank you, and can be audited if there are problems.  Was it the official election commission poll workers that had netbooks, or the partisan poll watchers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Wow, that&#8217;s incompetent!  California also gerrymandered their district boundaries, so it might have been tough for the <i>candidates</i> to figure out which districts to run in, but my polling place has been the same for 10 years or so.  And the poll workers don&#8217;t have to use computers with potential security risks to look up our names &#8211; they&#8217;ve got traditional paper lists, which work Just Fine, thank you, and can be audited if there are problems.  Was it the official election commission poll workers that had netbooks, or the partisan poll watchers?</p>
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		<title>By: billstewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>billstewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 00:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I voted today in California.  One person was in line ahead of me.  We use paper ballots, which later get scanned by optical scanners, and that scales really really well - about 10 people were sitting at tables or standing at booths to fill them out.  There&#039;s also an electronic voting machine (mainly for people who want the big print or audio assistance), but nobody was using it.  It was also a short line because it was mid-afternoon, after any lunch crowd.

But if the voters in Washington and Colorado make the right choices on their marijuana initiatives today, it won&#039;t suck to be them either!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted today in California.  One person was in line ahead of me.  We use paper ballots, which later get scanned by optical scanners, and that scales really really well &#8211; about 10 people were sitting at tables or standing at booths to fill them out.  There&#8217;s also an electronic voting machine (mainly for people who want the big print or audio assistance), but nobody was using it.  It was also a short line because it was mid-afternoon, after any lunch crowd.</p>
<p>But if the voters in Washington and Colorado make the right choices on their marijuana initiatives today, it won&#8217;t suck to be them either!</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 23:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those kind of rules also only apply to people who have &quot;jobs&quot;, a diminishing demographic group.  Casual workers and independent contractors just have to go without pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those kind of rules also only apply to people who have &#8220;jobs&#8221;, a diminishing demographic group.  Casual workers and independent contractors just have to go without pay.</p>
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		<title>By: acerplatanoides</title>
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		<dc:creator>acerplatanoides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 23:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I don&#039;t know about our country, but our cities are built on Rock and Roll</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I don&#8217;t know about our country, but our cities are built on Rock and Roll</p>
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		<title>By: Marja Erwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marja Erwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 22:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gore had a responsibility to his voters, and to the country, and he betrayed that by taking a fall. He got more votes in Florida, but he conceded, and he mishandled the court case, and that&#039;s only emboldened further disenfranchisement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gore had a responsibility to his voters, and to the country, and he betrayed that by taking a fall. He got more votes in Florida, but he conceded, and he mishandled the court case, and that&#8217;s only emboldened further disenfranchisement.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 22:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They must give you free postage since there are usually multiple voting cards to cover the three dozen local ballot initiatives in SF.  I remember one election when the voter information booklet was 250 pages.  Here, it&#039;s two cards and requires two stamps.  In 2010? maybe 2008, they didn&#039;t bother to tell anyone that it required two stamps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They must give you free postage since there are usually multiple voting cards to cover the three dozen local ballot initiatives in SF.  I remember one election when the voter information booklet was 250 pages.  Here, it&#8217;s two cards and requires two stamps.  In 2010? maybe 2008, they didn&#8217;t bother to tell anyone that it required two stamps.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Renault</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Renault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rocketpjs, you missed an opportunity to be even more smug.  

You forgot to mention that, by law, voters in Canada must have four uninterupted hours away from work, while the polls are open, to go vote.  

For example: if the polls open at 8AM and close at 7PM, and your work day is from 9 to 5, your employer must either let you come in at 12 or leave at 3PM - or give you four hours off in the middle somewhere.  With no reduction in pay.

(The only peope who kinda get screwed are people working evening or night shifts.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rocketpjs, you missed an opportunity to be even more smug.  </p>
<p>You forgot to mention that, by law, voters in Canada must have four uninterupted hours away from work, while the polls are open, to go vote.  </p>
<p>For example: if the polls open at 8AM and close at 7PM, and your work day is from 9 to 5, your employer must either let you come in at 12 or leave at 3PM &#8211; or give you four hours off in the middle somewhere.  With no reduction in pay.</p>
<p>(The only peope who kinda get screwed are people working evening or night shifts.)</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It would be more accurate to say that slaves and indentured servants built this country.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Well, they certainly built the White House and the Capitol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It would be more accurate to say that slaves and indentured servants built this country.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, they certainly built the White House and the Capitol.</p>
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		<title>By: Lois Smithers</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voter-suppression-targeting-t.html#comment-1575587</link>
		<dc:creator>Lois Smithers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH MY GOD, the comments here defending the actions of these disenfranchising states make me ill. The US is a democracy. Those who find these long lines and pulling of early voting days by these state governors acceptable don&#039;t give a dam* about the rights of their fellow  Americans. You could not defend this disenfranchisement if you did. 


I watched this occur all over Miami since early voting began and it&#039;s appalling. It is blatant voter suppression by the GOP. All these states experiencing these problems have GOP legislators elected in 2010 and are all members of the united States of ALEC. Open your eyes, people. 

If I saw DEMS do this, my feelings would be the same. Any party who takes steps to stop people from voting is making a mockery of the US and the world is watching. If you&#039;re such a die hard Republican, perhaps you could care about the US standing in the world even if you don&#039;t care about your fellow Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH MY GOD, the comments here defending the actions of these disenfranchising states make me ill. The US is a democracy. Those who find these long lines and pulling of early voting days by these state governors acceptable don&#8217;t give a dam* about the rights of their fellow  Americans. You could not defend this disenfranchisement if you did. </p>
<p>I watched this occur all over Miami since early voting began and it&#8217;s appalling. It is blatant voter suppression by the GOP. All these states experiencing these problems have GOP legislators elected in 2010 and are all members of the united States of ALEC. Open your eyes, people. </p>
<p>If I saw DEMS do this, my feelings would be the same. Any party who takes steps to stop people from voting is making a mockery of the US and the world is watching. If you&#8217;re such a die hard Republican, perhaps you could care about the US standing in the world even if you don&#8217;t care about your fellow Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voter-suppression-targeting-t.html#comment-1575574</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Here in california, we can vote by mail for the price of a stamp.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Two stamps here.  I dread to think of the postage on a San Francisco ballot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Here in california, we can vote by mail for the price of a stamp.</p></blockquote>
<p>Two stamps here.  I dread to think of the postage on a San Francisco ballot.</p>
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		<title>By: dragonfrog</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voter-suppression-targeting-t.html#comment-1575575</link>
		<dc:creator>dragonfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CBC calls it - the final counts are still what&#039;s authoritative.

But, I agree - instead of their silly and unenforceable publication bans, they should just hold off on counting the ballots on the East coast until the polls close in the West.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CBC calls it &#8211; the final counts are still what&#8217;s authoritative.</p>
<p>But, I agree &#8211; instead of their silly and unenforceable publication bans, they should just hold off on counting the ballots on the East coast until the polls close in the West.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voter-suppression-targeting-t.html#comment-1575551</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 20:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one time that there was a controversial local ballot issue that was likely to run counter to the interests of the guy who owns half of Palm Springs, our polling place was changed, for the first and only time in decades, to a clubhouse in the middle of a condo complex with no reasonable access or parking.  Nothing to see here, folks.  Move along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one time that there was a controversial local ballot issue that was likely to run counter to the interests of the guy who owns half of Palm Springs, our polling place was changed, for the first and only time in decades, to a clubhouse in the middle of a condo complex with no reasonable access or parking.  Nothing to see here, folks.  Move along.</p>
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		<title>By: dragonfrog</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voter-suppression-targeting-t.html#comment-1575548</link>
		<dc:creator>dragonfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 20:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me the population difference should account for an extra day&#039;s delay perhaps, but not for the lack of transparency or accessibility. 

Ten times as many people voting at ten times as many polling stations, also have ten times as many scrutineers counting their votes - the polling stations still count their ballots in parallel.  You might need a little extra time to tally the results from those polling stations.

Understand though - I&#039;m not saying you&#039;re doing it wrong, just that I don&#039;t understand why it&#039;s so hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me the population difference should account for an extra day&#8217;s delay perhaps, but not for the lack of transparency or accessibility. </p>
<p>Ten times as many people voting at ten times as many polling stations, also have ten times as many scrutineers counting their votes &#8211; the polling stations still count their ballots in parallel.  You might need a little extra time to tally the results from those polling stations.</p>
<p>Understand though &#8211; I&#8217;m not saying you&#8217;re doing it wrong, just that I don&#8217;t understand why it&#8217;s so hard.</p>
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		<title>By: dragonfrog</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voter-suppression-targeting-t.html#comment-1575528</link>
		<dc:creator>dragonfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, electronic by Internet has all those problems and then some; mail-in ballots too, for the most part.

Electronic voting with a dedicated kiosk system at a dedicated polling place has some but not all of the issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, electronic by Internet has all those problems and then some; mail-in ballots too, for the most part.</p>
<p>Electronic voting with a dedicated kiosk system at a dedicated polling place has some but not all of the issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoduck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voter-suppression-targeting-t.html#comment-1575429</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoduck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 19:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Washington and Oregon, we&#039;ve gone to all-mail voting. You do lose the feeling of community that comes from trekking to your polling station, but you can fill out the ballot in your free time at your leisure. If you don&#039;t trust the mail, there&#039;s places to return the ballot directly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Washington and Oregon, we&#8217;ve gone to all-mail voting. You do lose the feeling of community that comes from trekking to your polling station, but you can fill out the ballot in your free time at your leisure. If you don&#8217;t trust the mail, there&#8217;s places to return the ballot directly.</p>
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		<title>By: L_Mariachi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voter-suppression-targeting-t.html#comment-1575425</link>
		<dc:creator>L_Mariachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 19:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don’t even need the stamp, the ballot comes with a business return envelope.

EDIT: At least in San Francisco. I figured such a thing would be statewide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don’t even need the stamp, the ballot comes with a business return envelope.</p>
<p>EDIT: At least in San Francisco. I figured such a thing would be statewide.</p>
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		<title>By: jandrese</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voter-suppression-targeting-t.html#comment-1575426</link>
		<dc:creator>jandrese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 19:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Took me 90 minutes today in my fairly affluent Northern Virgina neighborhood, but we also have quite a large number of immigrants in the area and how long it takes to vote seems to be proportional with the number of minorities in your district.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Took me 90 minutes today in my fairly affluent Northern Virgina neighborhood, but we also have quite a large number of immigrants in the area and how long it takes to vote seems to be proportional with the number of minorities in your district.</p>
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		<title>By: jandrese</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voter-suppression-targeting-t.html#comment-1575422</link>
		<dc:creator>jandrese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 19:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My suburban polling place took 90 minutes today, partially because the state government went and gerrymandered the crap out of the local districts and a lot of people were going to the wrong polling place.  Also, making the octogenarian poll workers type in your name and address on the netbook seemed cruel to me, why can&#039;t my voter registration card (mailed to everybody a couple of weeks ago) have a barcode that they could just scan to immediately look you up?  

It could be so quick.  Beep - Verify name and address - hand over a ballot and say &quot;next&quot;.  Sure only like 1/4 of the people bring their registration cards, but for those that do, they should make the process super quick and painless.  Maybe a specific line for people who brought in the registration card?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My suburban polling place took 90 minutes today, partially because the state government went and gerrymandered the crap out of the local districts and a lot of people were going to the wrong polling place.  Also, making the octogenarian poll workers type in your name and address on the netbook seemed cruel to me, why can&#8217;t my voter registration card (mailed to everybody a couple of weeks ago) have a barcode that they could just scan to immediately look you up?  </p>
<p>It could be so quick.  Beep &#8211; Verify name and address &#8211; hand over a ballot and say &#8220;next&#8221;.  Sure only like 1/4 of the people bring their registration cards, but for those that do, they should make the process super quick and painless.  Maybe a specific line for people who brought in the registration card?  </p>
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