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	<title>Comments on: Voting expert tells The Awl: There are reasons to be concerned about voting machines, but vast conspiracies aren&#039;t one of&#160;them</title>
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		<title>By: timbu</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voting-expert-tells-the-awl-t.html#comment-1577798</link>
		<dc:creator>timbu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 03:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The picture looks like a device oriented towards disabled voters which can read a ballot or magnify it and display it in high contrast and then mark it with a pen for a traditional optical reader. Are you sure this is a dreaded electronic voting device everyone is fretting about in the comments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The picture looks like a device oriented towards disabled voters which can read a ballot or magnify it and display it in high contrast and then mark it with a pen for a traditional optical reader. Are you sure this is a dreaded electronic voting device everyone is fretting about in the comments?</p>
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		<title>By: cdh1971</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voting-expert-tells-the-awl-t.html#comment-1576726</link>
		<dc:creator>cdh1971</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 23:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And there is also the option of dropping the ballot off at one of the re-purposed postal-type mailboxes that are at election H.Q., in front of the cop/shops or City Halls, or in the various suburban common areas. 



At least in my town, people seem to prefer these drop-boxes and many, including me prefer to drop them off on election day, just for nostalgia, and also because of the remote fear of what AlexG55 says below.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And there is also the option of dropping the ballot off at one of the re-purposed postal-type mailboxes that are at election H.Q., in front of the cop/shops or City Halls, or in the various suburban common areas. </p>
<p>At least in my town, people seem to prefer these drop-boxes and many, including me prefer to drop them off on election day, just for nostalgia, and also because of the remote fear of what AlexG55 says below.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voting-expert-tells-the-awl-t.html#comment-1576704</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 23:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to sign your ballot.  And if there&#039;s a problem, they can compare it to your signature on file from when you registered.  There are systems in place to prevent significant fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to sign your ballot.  And if there&#8217;s a problem, they can compare it to your signature on file from when you registered.  There are systems in place to prevent significant fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: cdh1971</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voting-expert-tells-the-awl-t.html#comment-1576484</link>
		<dc:creator>cdh1971</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 20:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm....hadn&#039;t thought of that. Could be a corollary. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;.hadn&#8217;t thought of that. Could be a corollary. </p>
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		<title>By: AlexG55</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voting-expert-tells-the-awl-t.html#comment-1576372</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexG55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 18:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until somebody bribes your mailman or steals the ballot from your mailbox...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until somebody bribes your mailman or steals the ballot from your mailbox&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ravenlunatick</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voting-expert-tells-the-awl-t.html#comment-1576365</link>
		<dc:creator>ravenlunatick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also Mitt has a son named Tagg? Seriously? They sound like they were all named by Neil Gaiman. 0.o </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also Mitt has a son named Tagg? Seriously? They sound like they were all named by Neil Gaiman. 0.o </p>
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		<title>By: ravenlunatick</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voting-expert-tells-the-awl-t.html#comment-1576358</link>
		<dc:creator>ravenlunatick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 18:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Maybe I&#039;m a little canadian here, but why not just use paper ballots? You mark your X and they get counted by hand. The results are known same day. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Maybe I&#8217;m a little canadian here, but why not just use paper ballots? You mark your X and they get counted by hand. The results are known same day. </p>
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		<title>By: Slartibartfatsdomino</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voting-expert-tells-the-awl-t.html#comment-1576322</link>
		<dc:creator>Slartibartfatsdomino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 18:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such a scenario is unlikely with Oregon&#039;s system because you have to register to vote first, and then you get the ballot in the mail. Just one ballot sent per voter. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such a scenario is unlikely with Oregon&#8217;s system because you have to register to vote first, and then you get the ballot in the mail. Just one ballot sent per voter. </p>
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		<title>By: AlexG55</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexG55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 18:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not in the US, but there was a &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4410743.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; case of serious fraud &lt;/a&gt; at a local election in Birmingham, England a few years ago when postal ballots were made available on demand. The election was ruled invalid after a judge found that 1500 ballots had been cast fraudulently in areas with a total population of 60,000 (and probably less than 40,000 eligible voters)- the police found candidates running a vote-forging factory in a warehouse, and there were reports of attempts to intimidate voters and steal ballots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not in the US, but there was a <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4410743.stm" rel="nofollow"> case of serious fraud </a> at a local election in Birmingham, England a few years ago when postal ballots were made available on demand. The election was ruled invalid after a judge found that 1500 ballots had been cast fraudulently in areas with a total population of 60,000 (and probably less than 40,000 eligible voters)- the police found candidates running a vote-forging factory in a warehouse, and there were reports of attempts to intimidate voters and steal ballots.</p>
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		<title>By: acerplatanoides</title>
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		<dc:creator>acerplatanoides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plausible scenario is not anecdote. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plausible scenario is not anecdote. </p>
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		<title>By: acerplatanoides</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voting-expert-tells-the-awl-t.html#comment-1576155</link>
		<dc:creator>acerplatanoides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Just because I&#039;m paranoid, my paranoia does Not mean They are Not out to get me.&quot;

that&#039;s a corollary to Cobains&#039; Law, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just because I&#8217;m paranoid, my paranoia does Not mean They are Not out to get me.&#8221;</p>
<p>that&#8217;s a corollary to Cobains&#8217; Law, right?</p>
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		<title>By: imag</title>
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		<dc:creator>imag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 15:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about you, but I think Karl Rove was expecting those voting machines to come through for him last night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about you, but I think Karl Rove was expecting those voting machines to come through for him last night.</p>
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		<title>By: Boundegar</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voting-expert-tells-the-awl-t.html#comment-1576093</link>
		<dc:creator>Boundegar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 15:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  But if we have a new machine every 4 or 8 years, we get to go through distrusting the new machine - and therefore the election - again and again and again.  The old mechanical machines were probably sold off to third world countries, just like the Bell companies&#039; mechanical switching machines.

But unlike switching machines, a faster voting machine isn&#039;t better.  Reliable and trustworthy is better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  But if we have a new machine every 4 or 8 years, we get to go through distrusting the new machine &#8211; and therefore the election &#8211; again and again and again.  The old mechanical machines were probably sold off to third world countries, just like the Bell companies&#8217; mechanical switching machines.</p>
<p>But unlike switching machines, a faster voting machine isn&#8217;t better.  Reliable and trustworthy is better.</p>
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		<title>By: Neural Kernel</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voting-expert-tells-the-awl-t.html#comment-1576005</link>
		<dc:creator>Neural Kernel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 13:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So... he can&#039;t comment on the existence of a conspiracy... but he&#039;s ruled out a &quot;Vast&quot; one... thanks :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230; he can&#8217;t comment on the existence of a conspiracy&#8230; but he&#8217;s ruled out a &#8220;Vast&#8221; one&#8230; thanks :P</p>
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		<title>By: digi_owl</title>
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		<dc:creator>digi_owl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 10:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Refuge in audacity: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RefugeInAudacity</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Refuge in audacity: <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RefugeInAudacity" rel="nofollow">http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RefugeInAudacity</a></p>
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		<title>By: cdh1971</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/voting-expert-tells-the-awl-t.html#comment-1575913</link>
		<dc:creator>cdh1971</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 09:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theodore  Sturgeon&#039;s law:

&quot;ninety percent of everything is crap&quot;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UiSMyyj-Ac</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theodore  Sturgeon&#8217;s law:</p>
<p>&#8220;ninety percent of everything is crap&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UiSMyyj-Ac" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UiSMyyj-Ac</a></p>
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		<title>By: cdh1971</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdh1971</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 08:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hanlon&#039;s Razor, yes always good to keep in mind, like the other Razor.


There&#039;s also Finagle&#039;s Law:

&quot;Anything that can go wrong, will—at the worst possible moment.&quot;


Nevertheless......

Although Hanlon&#039;s and Occam&#039;s razor, and Finagle&#039;s Law might be valid and possible, these laws, or a better term, heuristics (rules of thumb) are not mutually exclusive with a vast conspiracy. 


Similar to 

&quot;Just because I&#039;m paranoid, my paranoia does Not mean They are Not out to get me.&quot;


 Forgot to say/cite, Finagle&#039;s Law I learned from Larry Niven&#039;s Known Space series, the pic attached to this comment is also from Niven&#039;s &#039;verse. 

Here is the WikiP entry for Finagle&#039;s Law:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finagle&#039;s_law</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hanlon&#8217;s Razor, yes always good to keep in mind, like the other Razor.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also Finagle&#8217;s Law:</p>
<p>&#8220;Anything that can go wrong, will—at the worst possible moment.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nevertheless&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Although Hanlon&#8217;s and Occam&#8217;s razor, and Finagle&#8217;s Law might be valid and possible, these laws, or a better term, heuristics (rules of thumb) are not mutually exclusive with a vast conspiracy. </p>
<p>Similar to </p>
<p>&#8220;Just because I&#8217;m paranoid, my paranoia does Not mean They are Not out to get me.&#8221;</p>
<p> Forgot to say/cite, Finagle&#8217;s Law I learned from Larry Niven&#8217;s Known Space series, the pic attached to this comment is also from Niven&#8217;s &#8216;verse. </p>
<p>Here is the WikiP entry for Finagle&#8217;s Law:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finagle&#039;s_law" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finagle&#039;s_law</a></p>
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		<title>By: imag</title>
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		<dc:creator>imag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 08:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is SO SIMPLE.  The machine just have to print out a human and machine readable ballot.  That is all.  The ballot is stored and can be counted.  That is the audit trail.  There is no need even to audit the code, the computers, or have anything last 50 years.  They simply need to create a hard copy.  


It is the unwillingness to do this simple thing that makes the e-voting manufacturers legitimately suspect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is SO SIMPLE.  The machine just have to print out a human and machine readable ballot.  That is all.  The ballot is stored and can be counted.  That is the audit trail.  There is no need even to audit the code, the computers, or have anything last 50 years.  They simply need to create a hard copy.  </p>
<p>It is the unwillingness to do this simple thing that makes the e-voting manufacturers legitimately suspect.</p>
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		<title>By: imag</title>
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		<dc:creator>imag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 08:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, it has been shown time and again that a single person is all that is needed to hack these machines.  They are that insecure.

Secondly, people actually HAVE leaked in this case.   Michael Connell spoke out and explained exactly what they did.  He was killed in a small plane crash within days.  Clinton Curtis testified in court that he was asked to rig votes.  Voting patterns have suggested that the machines are flipping votes: http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/breaking-retired-nsa-analyst-proves-gop-is-stealing-elections/article20598.html

As I wrote below, the only two reasons not to allow e-voting machines to print out paper receipts are 1) you want to rig a vote or 2) you want to cover up issues with the voting machines.  I am not generally a conspiracy theorist, but in this case, Occam&#039;s razor says to me that the simplest explanation - that the voting machines are insecure and open to rigging - is probably true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, it has been shown time and again that a single person is all that is needed to hack these machines.  They are that insecure.</p>
<p>Secondly, people actually HAVE leaked in this case.   Michael Connell spoke out and explained exactly what they did.  He was killed in a small plane crash within days.  Clinton Curtis testified in court that he was asked to rig votes.  Voting patterns have suggested that the machines are flipping votes: http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/breaking-retired-nsa-analyst-proves-gop-is-stealing-elections/article20598.html</p>
<p>As I wrote below, the only two reasons not to allow e-voting machines to print out paper receipts are 1) you want to rig a vote or 2) you want to cover up issues with the voting machines.  I am not generally a conspiracy theorist, but in this case, Occam&#8217;s razor says to me that the simplest explanation &#8211; that the voting machines are insecure and open to rigging &#8211; is probably true.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 05:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I vote absentee.  It&#039;s great.

But it&#039;s not hard to imagine the jump from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nwfdailynews.com/local-news/bos-shares-ballot-choices-with-legendary-employees-document-1.44142&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;handing out your ballot to your employees with their paychecks&lt;/a&gt; to demanding their ballots before you hand them their paychecks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I vote absentee.  It&#8217;s great.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s not hard to imagine the jump from <a href="http://www.nwfdailynews.com/local-news/bos-shares-ballot-choices-with-legendary-employees-document-1.44142" rel="nofollow">handing out your ballot to your employees with their paychecks</a> to demanding their ballots before you hand them their paychecks.</p>
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		<title>By: Slartibartfatsdomino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slartibartfatsdomino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 04:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I can understand the concern. But I&#039;ve never heard a lick of evidence that such is happening in the states where it&#039;s been instituted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I can understand the concern. But I&#8217;ve never heard a lick of evidence that such is happening in the states where it&#8217;s been instituted.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 04:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first response was that we should deal with the larger problem, which is making voting accessible.  But I have to admit, with all these articles about owners telling their serfs employees how to vote, it&#039;s not &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; crazy to imagine them demanding to see ballots before they&#039;re mailed in.  It would be hugely illegal, but that&#039;s never really stopped anybody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first response was that we should deal with the larger problem, which is making voting accessible.  But I have to admit, with all these articles about owners telling their serfs employees how to vote, it&#8217;s not <i>that</i> crazy to imagine them demanding to see ballots before they&#8217;re mailed in.  It would be hugely illegal, but that&#8217;s never really stopped anybody.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 04:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since half the cabinet resigned.  Or was that the UK?  Maybe both.</description>
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		<title>By: Slartibartfatsdomino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slartibartfatsdomino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 03:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the critics keep saying, but there&#039;s no evidence that that is actually happening. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the critics keep saying, but there&#8217;s no evidence that that is actually happening. </p>
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		<title>By: Boundegar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boundegar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 03:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well perhaps there is no corruption in Brazil.</description>
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		<title>By: Jardine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 03:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vote by mail has issues with not being secret. An abusive spouse can force their husband or wife to vote how they want them to vote and watch them do it. Same with kids who have reached voting age but are still living with parents. And elderly people in similar situations. With a voting booth, you can tell someone to vote a particular way but it&#039;s tough to be sure that they did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vote by mail has issues with not being secret. An abusive spouse can force their husband or wife to vote how they want them to vote and watch them do it. Same with kids who have reached voting age but are still living with parents. And elderly people in similar situations. With a voting booth, you can tell someone to vote a particular way but it&#8217;s tough to be sure that they did.</p>
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		<title>By: Boundegar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boundegar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 02:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two men can keep a secret, if one of them is dead.

But not all conspiracies are secret.  The ones to worry about are the ones who don&#039;t give a damn who knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two men can keep a secret, if one of them is dead.</p>
<p>But not all conspiracies are secret.  The ones to worry about are the ones who don&#8217;t give a damn who knows.</p>
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		<title>By: Boundegar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boundegar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 02:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, when I was younger we voted on clanky brass machines that whirled your vote into a mechanical counter, and I think those machines were decades old.  They were made of metal and they lasted forever.  Now, electronic voting machines of every design are considered elderly at 10-15 years.  The problem is, these machines only get used a few times in 10-15 years.

General purpose computers aren&#039;t built to last because of Moore&#039;s Law.  No point in building to last if, no matter what you build, it is guaranteed obsolete in 5-10.  But a voting machine isn&#039;t a general purpose computer.  It has only one function, and it only gets used once every year or two.

Given that, why isn&#039;t somebody out there designing a reliable, auditable electronic voting machine that can be used for 50 years?  My engineering days are long behind me, but this seems like a problem that wouldn&#039;t be too hard to tackle.  In fact, if it could be done cheaply, there might be one hell of a market for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, when I was younger we voted on clanky brass machines that whirled your vote into a mechanical counter, and I think those machines were decades old.  They were made of metal and they lasted forever.  Now, electronic voting machines of every design are considered elderly at 10-15 years.  The problem is, these machines only get used a few times in 10-15 years.</p>
<p>General purpose computers aren&#8217;t built to last because of Moore&#8217;s Law.  No point in building to last if, no matter what you build, it is guaranteed obsolete in 5-10.  But a voting machine isn&#8217;t a general purpose computer.  It has only one function, and it only gets used once every year or two.</p>
<p>Given that, why isn&#8217;t somebody out there designing a reliable, auditable electronic voting machine that can be used for 50 years?  My engineering days are long behind me, but this seems like a problem that wouldn&#8217;t be too hard to tackle.  In fact, if it could be done cheaply, there might be one hell of a market for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Political Film Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Political Film Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 01:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are no conspiracies in America.  No one steals elections.  If you believe otherwise you wear a tinfoil hat.

Right above, on the boingboing homepage we have the fact of the secretary of state (R) of Ohio ordering last minute unchecked, unverified &quot;experimental&quot; firmware being installed across the vote counting machines.  

As for &quot;no one cares about it until presidential election years, and mostly right before that election&quot; we&#039;ve had Black Box Voting for what, 12 years now investigating the rigging of electronic machines, the &quot;spaghetti code&quot; the private, secret, proprietary algorithms, etc.  

Okay, go back to sleep.  No one has an interest in changing the results of a vote count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are no conspiracies in America.  No one steals elections.  If you believe otherwise you wear a tinfoil hat.</p>
<p>Right above, on the boingboing homepage we have the fact of the secretary of state (R) of Ohio ordering last minute unchecked, unverified &#8220;experimental&#8221; firmware being installed across the vote counting machines.  </p>
<p>As for &#8220;no one cares about it until presidential election years, and mostly right before that election&#8221; we&#8217;ve had Black Box Voting for what, 12 years now investigating the rigging of electronic machines, the &#8220;spaghetti code&#8221; the private, secret, proprietary algorithms, etc.  </p>
<p>Okay, go back to sleep.  No one has an interest in changing the results of a vote count.</p>
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		<title>By: Slartibartfatsdomino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slartibartfatsdomino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 00:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just switch to vote by mail, like Oregon&#039;s system. It leaves an auditable paper trail, if you&#039;re worried about shenanigans. It&#039;s convenient for voters, and thus increases participation. And it costs far less than setting up all these polling stations once a year. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just switch to vote by mail, like Oregon&#8217;s system. It leaves an auditable paper trail, if you&#8217;re worried about shenanigans. It&#8217;s convenient for voters, and thus increases participation. And it costs far less than setting up all these polling stations once a year. </p>
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