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	<title>Comments on: Google&#039;s cheaper Chromebook: enough of a&#160;computer</title>
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		<title>By: edkedz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1587999</link>
		<dc:creator>edkedz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 23:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> That&#039;s actually ideal. A much more likely prospective buy at some point, then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> That&#8217;s actually ideal. A much more likely prospective buy at some point, then.</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1587878</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Chrome Remote is no longer beta&lt;/blockquote&gt;It still performs like a beta and Google still lists it as a beta.  It still can&#039;t handle multiple displays for any platform and doesn&#039;t do sound at all for Mac Chrome.  When I use other Remote Desktop software, it works as expected.  I&#039;ve used Chrome Remote Desktop on many different setups including Win XP, Win 7 and Mac OS and it&#039;s been increasingly sketchy to use.  Won&#039;t connect with errors that cannot be resolved...  Will connect, but cannot see the cursor, etc. -- It&#039;s just not the performance I expect as a professional.  For example, LogMeIn simply works every time on all platforms that I&#039;ve used it over the years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Chrome Remote is no longer beta</p></blockquote>
<p>It still performs like a beta and Google still lists it as a beta.  It still can&#8217;t handle multiple displays for any platform and doesn&#8217;t do sound at all for Mac Chrome.  When I use other Remote Desktop software, it works as expected.  I&#8217;ve used Chrome Remote Desktop on many different setups including Win XP, Win 7 and Mac OS and it&#8217;s been increasingly sketchy to use.  Won&#8217;t connect with errors that cannot be resolved&#8230;  Will connect, but cannot see the cursor, etc. &#8212; It&#8217;s just not the performance I expect as a professional.  For example, LogMeIn simply works every time on all platforms that I&#8217;ve used it over the years.</p>
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		<title>By: SPM</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1587822</link>
		<dc:creator>SPM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I have gotten used to so many of Microsoft&#039;s trolls, shills and ranting fanboys on Chromebook blogs, and I didn&#039;t read the the post in detail. I guess they must feel really threatened by the Chromebook

I presume you are aware that Chrome Remote is no longer beta. I have used Chrome Remote for a while, and it works well for me. There is also an installable service for Windows and Macs which allows you to connect without someone at the other end to pass you a pass number.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I have gotten used to so many of Microsoft&#8217;s trolls, shills and ranting fanboys on Chromebook blogs, and I didn&#8217;t read the the post in detail. I guess they must feel really threatened by the Chromebook</p>
<p>I presume you are aware that Chrome Remote is no longer beta. I have used Chrome Remote for a while, and it works well for me. There is also an installable service for Windows and Macs which allows you to connect without someone at the other end to pass you a pass number.</p>
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		<title>By: SPM</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1587802</link>
		<dc:creator>SPM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a USB to ethernet adapter supplied.

http://support.google.com/chromeos/bin/answer.py?hl=en&amp;answer=1056447
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a USB to ethernet adapter supplied.</p>
<p><a href="http://support.google.com/chromeos/bin/answer.py?hl=en&#038;answer=1056447" rel="nofollow">http://support.google.com/chromeos/bin/answer.py?hl=en&#038;answer=1056447</a></p>
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		<title>By: Carney3</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1587590</link>
		<dc:creator>Carney3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes yes it has a Linux kernel.  But it doesn&#039;t run &quot;Linux&quot; as the term is commonly used.  Don&#039;t be pedantic.  And Grandma is not going to install Slackware or even Ubuntu on this.  It&#039;s a whole different paradigm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes yes it has a Linux kernel.  But it doesn&#8217;t run &#8220;Linux&#8221; as the term is commonly used.  Don&#8217;t be pedantic.  And Grandma is not going to install Slackware or even Ubuntu on this.  It&#8217;s a whole different paradigm.</p>
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		<title>By: Dlo Burns</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1587554</link>
		<dc:creator>Dlo Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 17:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang.
 Is you room brick? Because bricks (and cinder blocks, some types of cement) hold lots of water and that&#039;s one of the sure fire ways to stop and absorb radio signals. And there&#039;s nothing you can ever really do about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang.<br />
 Is you room brick? Because bricks (and cinder blocks, some types of cement) hold lots of water and that&#8217;s one of the sure fire ways to stop and absorb radio signals. And there&#8217;s nothing you can ever really do about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1587513</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 17:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I expect Chromebooks to start taking off after a bumpy start.  Most computer users spend most of their time on the internet anyway, and the Chromebook is an ideal device for that, especially at the lower prices.

But some users will still need access to Windows applications, especially it they want to use the Chromebook for work.  But there are solutions for that.  Ericom AccessNow is an HTML5 RDP client that enables Chromebook users to securely connect to any RDP host, including Terminal Server and VDI virtual desktops, and run their applications and desktops in a browser.

AccessNow does not require any client to be installed on the Chromebook, as you only need the HTML5-compatible browser.  So this fits the Chromebook model of reducing IT support costs.

Check out this link for more info:
http://www.ericom.com/RDPChromebook.asp?URL_ID=708

And yes, I work for Ericom </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I expect Chromebooks to start taking off after a bumpy start.  Most computer users spend most of their time on the internet anyway, and the Chromebook is an ideal device for that, especially at the lower prices.</p>
<p>But some users will still need access to Windows applications, especially it they want to use the Chromebook for work.  But there are solutions for that.  Ericom AccessNow is an HTML5 RDP client that enables Chromebook users to securely connect to any RDP host, including Terminal Server and VDI virtual desktops, and run their applications and desktops in a browser.</p>
<p>AccessNow does not require any client to be installed on the Chromebook, as you only need the HTML5-compatible browser.  So this fits the Chromebook model of reducing IT support costs.</p>
<p>Check out this link for more info:<br />
<a href="http://www.ericom.com/RDPChromebook.asp?URL_ID=708" rel="nofollow">http://www.ericom.com/RDPChromebook.asp?URL_ID=708</a></p>
<p>And yes, I work for Ericom </p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Rinebold</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1587337</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Rinebold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are not the target market for ultraportable devices of any kind. This is a good device for people who want a bigger screen and easily carryable keyboard for their browsing and tablet apps instead of a tablet&#039;s touchscreen keyboard.

PS: once you boot Win8 into the desktop by default, most power users like yourself are quite happy with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are not the target market for ultraportable devices of any kind. This is a good device for people who want a bigger screen and easily carryable keyboard for their browsing and tablet apps instead of a tablet&#8217;s touchscreen keyboard.</p>
<p>PS: once you boot Win8 into the desktop by default, most power users like yourself are quite happy with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Rinebold</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1587329</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Rinebold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has a much larger screen than tablets so if you&#039;re doing major research and need to read two windows in splitscreen then you&#039;re out of luck with a tablet. It can also do some &#039;real emailing&#039; and document editing without the need to carry a separate keyboard in your bags. There are a few tablets with easily carryable keyboards but the keyboards are much smaller and harder to type on. Said tablets also cost $200-$300 more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has a much larger screen than tablets so if you&#8217;re doing major research and need to read two windows in splitscreen then you&#8217;re out of luck with a tablet. It can also do some &#8216;real emailing&#8217; and document editing without the need to carry a separate keyboard in your bags. There are a few tablets with easily carryable keyboards but the keyboards are much smaller and harder to type on. Said tablets also cost $200-$300 more.</p>
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		<title>By: edkedz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1587142</link>
		<dc:creator>edkedz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 05:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Um... nope, sorry, see the bit in parentheses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Um&#8230; nope, sorry, see the bit in parentheses.</p>
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		<title>By: jeffyablon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1587067</link>
		<dc:creator>jeffyablon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 04:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Samsung Chromebook rocks. That is all: http://answerguy.com/2012/11/05/google-chromebook-desktops-browser-business-change/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Samsung Chromebook rocks. That is all: http://answerguy.com/2012/11/05/google-chromebook-desktops-browser-business-change/</p>
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		<title>By: Alpacaman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1587049</link>
		<dc:creator>Alpacaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 03:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah, he stated pretty clearly what he was talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah, he stated pretty clearly what he was talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1587048</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 03:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;They are certainly not beta ... The CRUD you know and love and are talking about is Windows.&lt;/blockquote&gt;What the?  I think you misread just about everything I said above.  I clearly referred to Chrome Remote Desktop Beta (with a link to it I provided above nonetheless) and said nothing against Chrome OS. And, Chrome Remote Desktop certainly &lt;b&gt;IS&lt;/b&gt; in beta according to Google.  You know, the people that made the thing?

And it certainly performs like a beta if you actually attempt to use it professionally (as I have) in various professional setups over the years.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Windows fanboys like yourself&lt;/blockquote&gt;What the?  I&#039;m typing this from a MacBook Pro with Mac OS X, boy.  I&#039;ve also professionally used Chrome with Google Docs (Drive), etc. since its inception which is basically the Chrome OS, along with Windows XP/7 and sometimes Linux.  M&#039;kay, boy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They are certainly not beta &#8230; The CRUD you know and love and are talking about is Windows.</p></blockquote>
<p>What the?  I think you misread just about everything I said above.  I clearly referred to Chrome Remote Desktop Beta (with a link to it I provided above nonetheless) and said nothing against Chrome OS. And, Chrome Remote Desktop certainly <b>IS</b> in beta according to Google.  You know, the people that made the thing?</p>
<p>And it certainly performs like a beta if you actually attempt to use it professionally (as I have) in various professional setups over the years.</p>
<blockquote><p>Windows fanboys like yourself</p></blockquote>
<p>What the?  I&#8217;m typing this from a MacBook Pro with Mac OS X, boy.  I&#8217;ve also professionally used Chrome with Google Docs (Drive), etc. since its inception which is basically the Chrome OS, along with Windows XP/7 and sometimes Linux.  M&#8217;kay, boy?</p>
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		<title>By: Dlo Burns</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1587011</link>
		<dc:creator>Dlo Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 03:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They run 4g too</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They run 4g too</p>
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		<title>By: Dlo Burns</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1587004</link>
		<dc:creator>Dlo Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 03:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you running on it? Because you can run chromeOS inside ubuntu.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you running on it? Because you can run chromeOS inside ubuntu.</p>
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		<title>By: Dlo Burns</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1586999</link>
		<dc:creator>Dlo Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 03:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh, I could see running Xp or lubuntu or mint but Win8 would be slow as the asses of moles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh, I could see running Xp or lubuntu or mint but Win8 would be slow as the asses of moles.</p>
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		<title>By: Dlo Burns</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1586992</link>
		<dc:creator>Dlo Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 03:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only common things I can think of that require &#039;big&#039; programs are music making, video editing, photoshop (although pixlr makes for a damn fine stopgap), and 3D modeling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only common things I can think of that require &#8216;big&#8217; programs are music making, video editing, photoshop (although pixlr makes for a damn fine stopgap), and 3D modeling.</p>
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		<title>By: Dlo Burns</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1586989</link>
		<dc:creator>Dlo Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 03:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have one of the prototypes and the only reasons I don&#039;t use it more is 1) that I cracked the hinge and it&#039;s become a bit wibbly 2) I work a lot on photos and throwing an sd card into the thing gets to be a pain (and the few time I work film I need a cd tray).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have one of the prototypes and the only reasons I don&#8217;t use it more is 1) that I cracked the hinge and it&#8217;s become a bit wibbly 2) I work a lot on photos and throwing an sd card into the thing gets to be a pain (and the few time I work film I need a cd tray).</p>
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		<title>By: Dlo Burns</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1586982</link>
		<dc:creator>Dlo Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 03:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, unlike a tablet the chromebook can do &#039;real&#039; browsing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, unlike a tablet the chromebook can do &#8216;real&#8217; browsing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dlo Burns</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1586980</link>
		<dc:creator>Dlo Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 03:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have one of the prototypes and the only file things you can comfortly do is download some images and move them to dropbox or a usb stick. It really is like the ultimate example of modern minimalist computer use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have one of the prototypes and the only file things you can comfortly do is download some images and move them to dropbox or a usb stick. It really is like the ultimate example of modern minimalist computer use.</p>
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		<title>By: edkedz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1586788</link>
		<dc:creator>edkedz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 00:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can live with any of the limitations mentioned so far except the lack of an ethernet jack. For various reasons that I don&#039;t feel like going over (ie your suggestion has likely been considered already and ruled out), my threaded-through-curtain-rods-and-bookshelves 50ft. ethernet cable is the only currently-going-to-happen solution for the household wi-fi dead zone that is my bedroom.
A chronic issue with all stripped-down budget laptops lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can live with any of the limitations mentioned so far except the lack of an ethernet jack. For various reasons that I don&#8217;t feel like going over (ie your suggestion has likely been considered already and ruled out), my threaded-through-curtain-rods-and-bookshelves 50ft. ethernet cable is the only currently-going-to-happen solution for the household wi-fi dead zone that is my bedroom.<br />
A chronic issue with all stripped-down budget laptops lately.</p>
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		<title>By: SPM</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1586664</link>
		<dc:creator>SPM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly replaces a Windows PC for main usage. Google is advertising Chromebooks as an additional computer. It should be the other way round - there are some niche uses and applications that you might want your heavy, hot, cumbersome, and noisy Windows computer for, but it is a niche. What I have found is that once you buy a Chromebook or Chromebox, it becomes your main computer because of its convenience and ease of use, and your Windows or Mac machine becomes an occasionally used niche device.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly replaces a Windows PC for main usage. Google is advertising Chromebooks as an additional computer. It should be the other way round &#8211; there are some niche uses and applications that you might want your heavy, hot, cumbersome, and noisy Windows computer for, but it is a niche. What I have found is that once you buy a Chromebook or Chromebox, it becomes your main computer because of its convenience and ease of use, and your Windows or Mac machine becomes an occasionally used niche device.</p>
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		<title>By: SPM</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1586655</link>
		<dc:creator>SPM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have one of these things, and they are far more reliable than Windows, and free of viruses and malware. They are certainly not beta, although Google tends to label its products beta long after they would be categorised as stable by Microsoft. 

The CRUD you know and love and are talking about is Windows. Windows fanboys like yourself assume that because Windows behaves in that way, every other OS must as well. That is simply not the case. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have one of these things, and they are far more reliable than Windows, and free of viruses and malware. They are certainly not beta, although Google tends to label its products beta long after they would be categorised as stable by Microsoft. </p>
<p>The CRUD you know and love and are talking about is Windows. Windows fanboys like yourself assume that because Windows behaves in that way, every other OS must as well. That is simply not the case. </p>
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		<title>By: SPM</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1586648</link>
		<dc:creator>SPM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure about TurboTax, but you can run Quicken and a a lot of other apps online (you pay a subscription). The added advantage is that you can&#039;t lose your tax returns if your laptop drive crashes or if the laptop is stolen.

If you want to run tax or accounts applications on a light portable device which you carry around with you, Chromebooks are the best option if you value your data and don&#039;t want to lose your accounts or have them stolen.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure about TurboTax, but you can run Quicken and a a lot of other apps online (you pay a subscription). The added advantage is that you can&#8217;t lose your tax returns if your laptop drive crashes or if the laptop is stolen.</p>
<p>If you want to run tax or accounts applications on a light portable device which you carry around with you, Chromebooks are the best option if you value your data and don&#8217;t want to lose your accounts or have them stolen.</p>
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		<title>By: SPM</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1586634</link>
		<dc:creator>SPM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the $999 Apple Macbook Air 11.6&quot; comes with 64GB fast SSD.

You get 16GB fast SSD plus 100GB cloud free storage with the $249 ARM Samsung Chromebook 3, and for $50 you can add another 64GB of SSD in an SD card to take local SSD storage  to 80GB. Surely you are not suggesting that you need more local storage on a cloud computer than on a high end Apple Macbook Air?

You will find it very difficult to fill up the 16GB SSD on a Chromebook. First Chromebooks don&#039;t use local storage - that is just for downloads and uploads. Then you don&#039;t need to allow for OS and bloat as you do with Windows, as you can&#039;t install local applications, drivers, or OS components on a Chromebook, and so the space required by the OS never grows.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the $999 Apple Macbook Air 11.6&#8243; comes with 64GB fast SSD.</p>
<p>You get 16GB fast SSD plus 100GB cloud free storage with the $249 ARM Samsung Chromebook 3, and for $50 you can add another 64GB of SSD in an SD card to take local SSD storage  to 80GB. Surely you are not suggesting that you need more local storage on a cloud computer than on a high end Apple Macbook Air?</p>
<p>You will find it very difficult to fill up the 16GB SSD on a Chromebook. First Chromebooks don&#8217;t use local storage &#8211; that is just for downloads and uploads. Then you don&#8217;t need to allow for OS and bloat as you do with Windows, as you can&#8217;t install local applications, drivers, or OS components on a Chromebook, and so the space required by the OS never grows.</p>
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		<title>By: SPM</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1586621</link>
		<dc:creator>SPM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And dirt slow as well. They are only slightly faster than the painfully slow Atom powered netbooks, but sip quite a bit more power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And dirt slow as well. They are only slightly faster than the painfully slow Atom powered netbooks, but sip quite a bit more power.</p>
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		<title>By: SPM</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1586619</link>
		<dc:creator>SPM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are a consumer, Windows costs you (or a friend you ask to fix it for you) time wasted on maintenance, configuration, troubleshooting etc. compared to Chromebooks which are zero maintenance devices. 

If you run a business, school, library etc. Windows laptops cost you three times as much in total cost of ownership than Chromebooks. This cost difference is mainly on IT staff wages you have to pay for provisioning, maintaining, and supporting Windows desktops and server authentication. With Chromebooks you can manage with very few or none, and user productivity also increases as a result of reduction in user maintenance requirements. These are real figures produced by schools, libraries etc. that implemented large scale Chromebook an Windows laptop deployments. The reason why the Chromebooks have such a low cost of ownership is because nowadays, the cost of computer hardware is dirt cheap nowadays, but the cost of labour is sky high, and Windows require a very high labour overhead compared to Chromebooks which are Zero Maintenance, Zero Touch devices. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are a consumer, Windows costs you (or a friend you ask to fix it for you) time wasted on maintenance, configuration, troubleshooting etc. compared to Chromebooks which are zero maintenance devices. </p>
<p>If you run a business, school, library etc. Windows laptops cost you three times as much in total cost of ownership than Chromebooks. This cost difference is mainly on IT staff wages you have to pay for provisioning, maintaining, and supporting Windows desktops and server authentication. With Chromebooks you can manage with very few or none, and user productivity also increases as a result of reduction in user maintenance requirements. These are real figures produced by schools, libraries etc. that implemented large scale Chromebook an Windows laptop deployments. The reason why the Chromebooks have such a low cost of ownership is because nowadays, the cost of computer hardware is dirt cheap nowadays, but the cost of labour is sky high, and Windows require a very high labour overhead compared to Chromebooks which are Zero Maintenance, Zero Touch devices. </p>
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		<title>By: SPM</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1586598</link>
		<dc:creator>SPM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All three Chromebooks - the $449 Samsung Chromebook 550,  the $249 AMD Samsung Chromebook 3, and the $199 Acer Chromebook C7 haver faster CPU than the AMD E300 processor on the $300 Lenovo laptop you are quoting.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php

Lenovo AMD E300              passmark 674

Acer C7 Chromebook - Intel Celeron 847     passmark  1016

Samsung Chromebook 550 - Intel Celeron 867     passmark 1271

Samsung Chromebook 3 - ARM A-15        passmark 739 (estimated from a basket of CPU benchmarks).

The Samsung Chromebook 3 and Samsung Chromebook 550 also have SSD drives as found on high end ultrabooks and these are twice as fast as the slow mechanical hard drives found on the Acer C7, $300 Lenovo.

So basically you are paying $50 extra than the ARM Samsung Chromebook 3, and $100 more than the Acer C7 Chromebook for a slower computer, and it will run even slower than that suggests because it is running a bloated Windows operating system on it. Not really a good deal at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All three Chromebooks &#8211; the $449 Samsung Chromebook 550,  the $249 AMD Samsung Chromebook 3, and the $199 Acer Chromebook C7 haver faster CPU than the AMD E300 processor on the $300 Lenovo laptop you are quoting.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php</a></p>
<p>Lenovo AMD E300              passmark 674</p>
<p>Acer C7 Chromebook &#8211; Intel Celeron 847     passmark  1016</p>
<p>Samsung Chromebook 550 &#8211; Intel Celeron 867     passmark 1271</p>
<p>Samsung Chromebook 3 &#8211; ARM A-15        passmark 739 (estimated from a basket of CPU benchmarks).</p>
<p>The Samsung Chromebook 3 and Samsung Chromebook 550 also have SSD drives as found on high end ultrabooks and these are twice as fast as the slow mechanical hard drives found on the Acer C7, $300 Lenovo.</p>
<p>So basically you are paying $50 extra than the ARM Samsung Chromebook 3, and $100 more than the Acer C7 Chromebook for a slower computer, and it will run even slower than that suggests because it is running a bloated Windows operating system on it. Not really a good deal at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Pegoraro</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1586592</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Pegoraro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the thoughtful comment. Two thoughts:

* The netbooks I tried back in 2009 now all look pretty bad compared to this, in terms of things like battery life, responsiveness and even keyboard layout. And by virtue of running Windows, they required more effort in terms of setup, maintenance and backup.

* If you see the Chromebook as a machine that takes a place of a general-purpose computer, your critique is valid. It&#039;s a less functional device that is closed in some important ways. But if you see it, as I do, primarily as an addition to the current computing ecosystem--and makes the open platform of the Web more accessible to more people--it seems a reasonable trade-off. 

(Cory Doctorow, whose opinions on DRM I respect a lot, may feel different. Were he to show up in this thread to say so, I would feel chastened and flattered at the same time.) 

- RP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the thoughtful comment. Two thoughts:</p>
<p>* The netbooks I tried back in 2009 now all look pretty bad compared to this, in terms of things like battery life, responsiveness and even keyboard layout. And by virtue of running Windows, they required more effort in terms of setup, maintenance and backup.</p>
<p>* If you see the Chromebook as a machine that takes a place of a general-purpose computer, your critique is valid. It&#8217;s a less functional device that is closed in some important ways. But if you see it, as I do, primarily as an addition to the current computing ecosystem&#8211;and makes the open platform of the Web more accessible to more people&#8211;it seems a reasonable trade-off. </p>
<p>(Cory Doctorow, whose opinions on DRM I respect a lot, may feel different. Were he to show up in this thread to say so, I would feel chastened and flattered at the same time.) </p>
<p>- RP</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Pegoraro</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/cb.html#comment-1586575</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Pegoraro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed. One comparison I had in mind while writing this was Sun&#039;s vision of the Network Computer (but that had even less home-user visibility than the obscure Sony and 3Com examples I threw in there). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. One comparison I had in mind while writing this was Sun&#8217;s vision of the Network Computer (but that had even less home-user visibility than the obscure Sony and 3Com examples I threw in there). </p>
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