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	<title>Comments on: Buyer beware: Nintendo nukes $400 worth of downloaded content during DRM-fail migration to Wii&#160;U</title>
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		<title>By: bcsizemo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/20/buyer-beware-nintendo-nukes.html#comment-1588317</link>
		<dc:creator>bcsizemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 06:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this first hand.  I just re-capped the monitor I&#039;m writing this on less than a month ago.  But to be fair to Acer it has lasted 4 years and has had no other issues.  Planned obsolescence or just cheaping out?  Either way for $5 I wasn&#039;t going to throw it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this first hand.  I just re-capped the monitor I&#8217;m writing this on less than a month ago.  But to be fair to Acer it has lasted 4 years and has had no other issues.  Planned obsolescence or just cheaping out?  Either way for $5 I wasn&#8217;t going to throw it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Shaddack</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/20/buyer-beware-nintendo-nukes.html#comment-1588214</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Shaddack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 03:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Acer monitors usually break because of lousy cheap c(r)apacitors. They shouldn&#039;t do that.

(When electronics starts behaving erratically, change caps in the power supply. More often than not it helps. Often even works for thrown-out hardware.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Acer monitors usually break because of lousy cheap c(r)apacitors. They shouldn&#8217;t do that.</p>
<p>(When electronics starts behaving erratically, change caps in the power supply. More often than not it helps. Often even works for thrown-out hardware.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ladyfingers</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/20/buyer-beware-nintendo-nukes.html#comment-1587955</link>
		<dc:creator>Ladyfingers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 22:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here, in a nutshell, is why I only pay for physical formats. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here, in a nutshell, is why I only pay for physical formats. </p>
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		<title>By: redstarr</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/20/buyer-beware-nintendo-nukes.html#comment-1587935</link>
		<dc:creator>redstarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 22:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The game industry seems to want to move people toward downloading or streaming games and away from buying physical disk copies.  One of the biggest things they could do to work toward that would be making it super smooth and easy to transition your downloaded stuff from machine to machine.   Right now I&#039;m waiting for a game to come out on a physical disk in a couple of weeks that has been available as downloadable episodes for a long while (The Walking Dead) because I didn&#039;t want to have to worry about not being able to get my purchased game back to play if my XBox 360 bites the dust again in such a way that it finally can&#039;t be repaired again.   Downloading is SO convenient.  They might win me over even though I&#039;m a fan of buying used games if they&#039;d eliminate the fear of losing games I&#039;d already paid for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The game industry seems to want to move people toward downloading or streaming games and away from buying physical disk copies.  One of the biggest things they could do to work toward that would be making it super smooth and easy to transition your downloaded stuff from machine to machine.   Right now I&#8217;m waiting for a game to come out on a physical disk in a couple of weeks that has been available as downloadable episodes for a long while (The Walking Dead) because I didn&#8217;t want to have to worry about not being able to get my purchased game back to play if my XBox 360 bites the dust again in such a way that it finally can&#8217;t be repaired again.   Downloading is SO convenient.  They might win me over even though I&#8217;m a fan of buying used games if they&#8217;d eliminate the fear of losing games I&#8217;d already paid for.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/20/buyer-beware-nintendo-nukes.html#comment-1587890</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sort of like the bravest soldiers being killed off at the front of the battle.  An acceptable loss if the remaining troops are more compliant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sort of like the bravest soldiers being killed off at the front of the battle.  An acceptable loss if the remaining troops are more compliant.</p>
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		<title>By: Itsumishi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/20/buyer-beware-nintendo-nukes.html#comment-1587697</link>
		<dc:creator>Itsumishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things, firstly OEM Software can still be reinstalled on a machine that breaks and is reparied, even if that includes installing a new motherboard, you might have to call Microsoft to get the activation, but they&#039;ll do it.

Secondly, Nintendo specifically says that software from the Wii can be transfered to the Wii U. When he purchased his Wii U, he was under this understanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things, firstly OEM Software can still be reinstalled on a machine that breaks and is reparied, even if that includes installing a new motherboard, you might have to call Microsoft to get the activation, but they&#8217;ll do it.</p>
<p>Secondly, Nintendo specifically says that software from the Wii can be transfered to the Wii U. When he purchased his Wii U, he was under this understanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Itsumishi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/20/buyer-beware-nintendo-nukes.html#comment-1587694</link>
		<dc:creator>Itsumishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not the decision he made and decided to live with. He decided to purchase the new hardware understanding he could transfer the old software onto the new console. 

Given that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nintendo.com/wiiu/built-in-software/wii-menu/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nintendo specifically states that purchased WiiWare and Virtual Console games can be transfered to the Wii U console&lt;/a&gt; he has every right to expect that this would be possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not the decision he made and decided to live with. He decided to purchase the new hardware understanding he could transfer the old software onto the new console. </p>
<p>Given that <a href="http://www.nintendo.com/wiiu/built-in-software/wii-menu/" rel="nofollow">Nintendo specifically states that purchased WiiWare and Virtual Console games can be transfered to the Wii U console</a> he has every right to expect that this would be possible.</p>
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		<title>By: acerplatanoides</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/20/buyer-beware-nintendo-nukes.html#comment-1587618</link>
		<dc:creator>acerplatanoides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;unnecessarily&quot;

This is a decision you make, and decide to live with, at the time of purchase. Caveat Emptor. I think it&#039;s great that he wants to raise awareness. I think it would be petulant to expect $400 bucks, or pity for being out 400 bucks worth of games that worked fine until the machine got broken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;unnecessarily&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a decision you make, and decide to live with, at the time of purchase. Caveat Emptor. I think it&#8217;s great that he wants to raise awareness. I think it would be petulant to expect $400 bucks, or pity for being out 400 bucks worth of games that worked fine until the machine got broken.</p>
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		<title>By: acerplatanoides</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/20/buyer-beware-nintendo-nukes.html#comment-1587615</link>
		<dc:creator>acerplatanoides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because his Wii broke. My tiny violin broke, too. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because his Wii broke. My tiny violin broke, too. </p>
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		<title>By: Itsumishi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/20/buyer-beware-nintendo-nukes.html#comment-1587612</link>
		<dc:creator>Itsumishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And isn&#039;t that exactly the point of this article? Nintendo has built a system which unnecessarily has no mechanism retrieve purchased software from faulty hardware. Their systems are broken, therefore beware buying them.

That doesn&#039;t make the situation this gentlemans fault. He wasn&#039;t made aware that the migration system would fail and that there would be no other method to extract the software, he found this out only buy trial and error after he had paid for the new hardware. He is now warning others about this problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And isn&#8217;t that exactly the point of this article? Nintendo has built a system which unnecessarily has no mechanism retrieve purchased software from faulty hardware. Their systems are broken, therefore beware buying them.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t make the situation this gentlemans fault. He wasn&#8217;t made aware that the migration system would fail and that there would be no other method to extract the software, he found this out only buy trial and error after he had paid for the new hardware. He is now warning others about this problem.</p>
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		<title>By: bcsizemo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/20/buyer-beware-nintendo-nukes.html#comment-1587604</link>
		<dc:creator>bcsizemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t use Windows do you:

http://www.sevenforums.com/general-discussion/126582-oem-versions-what-they-tied.html

At the same time this is the reality that DLC and downloaded games present to the consumer.  It makes it easier to consume and distribute software, but without access to the installer and files it is on the vendor for migration support.

Nintendo could have just pissed everyone off from the get go and not support migration in the first place.  My problem with the article and a lot of comments here is the fact they are focusing on the failure of the transfer.  That seems to be stemming from a hardware related issue, not a software/DRM thing.  The real problem here is that Nintendo didn&#039;t (or doesn&#039;t want to) think about this scenario as a possible issue.  Especially since I think it is probably going to be pretty rare.  Like I said in another comment, Nintendo should have the power on their side to transfer/authenticate you from one system to another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t use Windows do you:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sevenforums.com/general-discussion/126582-oem-versions-what-they-tied.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sevenforums.com/general-discussion/126582-oem-versions-what-they-tied.html</a></p>
<p>At the same time this is the reality that DLC and downloaded games present to the consumer.  It makes it easier to consume and distribute software, but without access to the installer and files it is on the vendor for migration support.</p>
<p>Nintendo could have just pissed everyone off from the get go and not support migration in the first place.  My problem with the article and a lot of comments here is the fact they are focusing on the failure of the transfer.  That seems to be stemming from a hardware related issue, not a software/DRM thing.  The real problem here is that Nintendo didn&#8217;t (or doesn&#8217;t want to) think about this scenario as a possible issue.  Especially since I think it is probably going to be pretty rare.  Like I said in another comment, Nintendo should have the power on their side to transfer/authenticate you from one system to another.</p>
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		<title>By: Lurking_Grue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lurking_Grue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess he should have just pirated the games.   Or at least pirate them now.

The DRM is not there for your benefit.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess he should have just pirated the games.   Or at least pirate them now.</p>
<p>The DRM is not there for your benefit.  </p>
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		<title>By: Itsumishi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/20/buyer-beware-nintendo-nukes.html#comment-1587576</link>
		<dc:creator>Itsumishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes but under most circumstances if hardware fails you still are entitled to use your software elsewhere. In this instance there seems no way for him to do this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes but under most circumstances if hardware fails you still are entitled to use your software elsewhere. In this instance there seems no way for him to do this.</p>
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		<title>By: acerplatanoides</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/20/buyer-beware-nintendo-nukes.html#comment-1587550</link>
		<dc:creator>acerplatanoides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 17:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so I am -making shit up, -huffing and puffing, -offended, -way more ridiculous, -must have it out for this guy. 

Alternatley, I -asked- if -perhaps- your POV had some bias. 

I think that was a yes to my question. My proof - being attacked as a person for sharing my contrary opinions as my own and asking questions that I wanted answers to.  I asked you for your opinion, you gave me my own. How childish. 

Hey, if it works to get you free things, why wouldn&#039;t you attack people and tell them who they are, and hold them responsible for your presumptions, instead of sharing  your beliefs and asking questions to get things like an adult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so I am -making shit up, -huffing and puffing, -offended, -way more ridiculous, -must have it out for this guy. </p>
<p>Alternatley, I -asked- if -perhaps- your POV had some bias. </p>
<p>I think that was a yes to my question. My proof &#8211; being attacked as a person for sharing my contrary opinions as my own and asking questions that I wanted answers to.  I asked you for your opinion, you gave me my own. How childish. </p>
<p>Hey, if it works to get you free things, why wouldn&#8217;t you attack people and tell them who they are, and hold them responsible for your presumptions, instead of sharing  your beliefs and asking questions to get things like an adult.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 17:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope.  I don&#039;t have any problem with Nintendo whatsoever.  This is exactly what I mean by &quot;making shit up.&quot;

Meanwhile, you&#039;re huffing and puffing about someone you don&#039;t know getting upset about something that I think actually would be fairly upsetting.  You seem &lt;em&gt;offended&lt;/em&gt; somehow that this guy would be upset when you don&#039;t think it&#039;s justified.

Even if this guy&#039;s being a little ridiculous you are being &lt;em&gt;way more&lt;/em&gt; ridiculous.  It&#039;s fun watching you get upset about someone you don&#039;t know getting upset, though, so keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope.  I don&#8217;t have any problem with Nintendo whatsoever.  This is exactly what I mean by &#8220;making shit up.&#8221;</p>
<p>Meanwhile, you&#8217;re huffing and puffing about someone you don&#8217;t know getting upset about something that I think actually would be fairly upsetting.  You seem <em>offended</em> somehow that this guy would be upset when you don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s justified.</p>
<p>Even if this guy&#8217;s being a little ridiculous you are being <em>way more</em> ridiculous.  It&#8217;s fun watching you get upset about someone you don&#8217;t know getting upset, though, so keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: acerplatanoides</title>
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		<dc:creator>acerplatanoides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 17:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No kidding. And all it takes is a willingness to void your warranty, and to live with the consequences of that choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No kidding. And all it takes is a willingness to void your warranty, and to live with the consequences of that choice.</p>
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		<title>By: signsofrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>signsofrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 17:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This story has convinced me that it&#039;s probably safer to mod my console and be a pirate... at least then they can&#039;t take my content away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This story has convinced me that it&#8217;s probably safer to mod my console and be a pirate&#8230; at least then they can&#8217;t take my content away.</p>
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		<title>By: acerplatanoides</title>
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		<dc:creator>acerplatanoides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 17:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but he HAS the content he already paid for, and he&#039;s already got years of use from it. 

It&#039;s on a machine that broke. He&#039;s not being shortchanged by anything but time and decay, and also the one thing within his control -his own expectations-. I think he could manage those better.  

As to your assertion that I have it out for him, perhaps it is you who has it out for Nintendo, and so I appear that way to you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but he HAS the content he already paid for, and he&#8217;s already got years of use from it. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s on a machine that broke. He&#8217;s not being shortchanged by anything but time and decay, and also the one thing within his control -his own expectations-. I think he could manage those better.  </p>
<p>As to your assertion that I have it out for him, perhaps it is you who has it out for Nintendo, and so I appear that way to you?</p>
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		<title>By: Boundegar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boundegar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well at least they protected him from the pirates. </description>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;tl;dr: He broke his thing, and wants someone else to be at fault.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Sounds like he just wants the content he already paid for.  You&#039;re making shit up.  You must really have it out for this guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>tl;dr: He broke his thing, and wants someone else to be at fault.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sounds like he just wants the content he already paid for.  You&#8217;re making shit up.  You must really have it out for this guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Shinkuhadoken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shinkuhadoken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the thing: &quot;Early adopters,&quot; (not just the people who stand in line to buy these consoles when they are at their most rare but the ones who buy these new devices when they are at their most expensive) are the lifeblood of any console. Game developers won&#039;t hitch their wagon to a gaming device that no one owns. And without good games, the problem of selling the console only gets worse. 

The people who buy the devices early when they are often at their most flawed, are the ones who made the device a success in the first place by giving game publishers the confidence that enough customers will buy their games. 

Punishing an early adopter of the Wii who has obviously spent a great deal of money on their &quot;beloved&quot; device and became an early adopter of the Wii-U is like flogging your base supporters after they re-elected you president. Only some people will get to change their vote when they see the bloody mess you&#039;re making.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the thing: &#8220;Early adopters,&#8221; (not just the people who stand in line to buy these consoles when they are at their most rare but the ones who buy these new devices when they are at their most expensive) are the lifeblood of any console. Game developers won&#8217;t hitch their wagon to a gaming device that no one owns. And without good games, the problem of selling the console only gets worse. </p>
<p>The people who buy the devices early when they are often at their most flawed, are the ones who made the device a success in the first place by giving game publishers the confidence that enough customers will buy their games. </p>
<p>Punishing an early adopter of the Wii who has obviously spent a great deal of money on their &#8220;beloved&#8221; device and became an early adopter of the Wii-U is like flogging your base supporters after they re-elected you president. Only some people will get to change their vote when they see the bloody mess you&#8217;re making.</p>
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		<title>By: bcsizemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bcsizemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well that&#039;s fine if he is, but I don&#039;t totally see this as a straight DRM issue.

The DRM that is presented here is a proof of purchase so to speak.  I think Nintendo should have a way to verify and change your account from their end if need be, but I don&#039;t really see an issue with them tying the hardware to your account.  If they didn&#039;t why wouldn&#039;t you just share your purchases with your friends (aiming that more towards the income limited teenage crowd).

As far as the process itself, I don&#039;t see anything wrong with it.  Nintendo gives you a free tool that basically automates the process.  The only way I could see it being easier is to:
-not require the Wii U to format and do it&#039;s thing first.
-or do it totally via the could, so no memory card.
But in the case here, there would still be a likely chance that the copy would fail (due to some unknown hardware issue.)

Like I said I agree that Nintendo&#039;s handling of the situation is showing their lack of forethought.  Microsoft has been handling issues like this for more than a decade (ie Windows activation.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that&#8217;s fine if he is, but I don&#8217;t totally see this as a straight DRM issue.</p>
<p>The DRM that is presented here is a proof of purchase so to speak.  I think Nintendo should have a way to verify and change your account from their end if need be, but I don&#8217;t really see an issue with them tying the hardware to your account.  If they didn&#8217;t why wouldn&#8217;t you just share your purchases with your friends (aiming that more towards the income limited teenage crowd).</p>
<p>As far as the process itself, I don&#8217;t see anything wrong with it.  Nintendo gives you a free tool that basically automates the process.  The only way I could see it being easier is to:<br />
-not require the Wii U to format and do it&#8217;s thing first.<br />
-or do it totally via the could, so no memory card.<br />
But in the case here, there would still be a likely chance that the copy would fail (due to some unknown hardware issue.)</p>
<p>Like I said I agree that Nintendo&#8217;s handling of the situation is showing their lack of forethought.  Microsoft has been handling issues like this for more than a decade (ie Windows activation.)</p>
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		<title>By: acerplatanoides</title>
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		<dc:creator>acerplatanoides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m almost with you, except I feel like anybody who is buying -anything-, and has those expectations of the manufacturers, is just crapping on themselves. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m almost with you, except I feel like anybody who is buying -anything-, and has those expectations of the manufacturers, is just crapping on themselves. </p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Friesen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Friesen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(two posters above) Sorry if it whooshed right over your heads. But I&#039;m pretty sure he&#039;s talking about the fact that Nintendo is using DRM which is &quot;intentionally designed to fail&quot; (ie: stop you from using data in your possession) and hence when it breaks, it&#039;s their fault and should be responsible for fixing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(two posters above) Sorry if it whooshed right over your heads. But I&#8217;m pretty sure he&#8217;s talking about the fact that Nintendo is using DRM which is &#8220;intentionally designed to fail&#8221; (ie: stop you from using data in your possession) and hence when it breaks, it&#8217;s their fault and should be responsible for fixing it.</p>
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		<title>By: dino</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/20/buyer-beware-nintendo-nukes.html#comment-1587402</link>
		<dc:creator>dino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At this point, I feel like anybody buying any game console from Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo is asking to be crapped on. Who&#039;s with me?
PS: I sure wish Disqus didn&#039;t hate claimID (my OpenID provider) so I could login to boingboing that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this point, I feel like anybody buying any game console from Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo is asking to be crapped on. Who&#8217;s with me?<br />
PS: I sure wish Disqus didn&#8217;t hate claimID (my OpenID provider) so I could login to boingboing that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Jorpho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jorpho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, a tech product was launched with unforeseen bugs?  Is this something that has never happened before?

While I do feel bad for the person in question, early adoption has its inherent perils and I have little doubt that some sort of fix will be issued in due course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, a tech product was launched with unforeseen bugs?  Is this something that has never happened before?</p>
<p>While I do feel bad for the person in question, early adoption has its inherent perils and I have little doubt that some sort of fix will be issued in due course.</p>
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		<title>By: acerplatanoides</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/20/buyer-beware-nintendo-nukes.html#comment-1587385</link>
		<dc:creator>acerplatanoides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. but when you buy a nintento, you don&#039;t get that sort of account. When your old machine breaks, you lose the data. Caveat Emptor. 

So, his best option = don&#039;t buy a nintendo to replace the old one you didn&#039;t break.

he seems to have chosen otherwise, and wants us to lament his free choice. I can&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. but when you buy a nintento, you don&#8217;t get that sort of account. When your old machine breaks, you lose the data. Caveat Emptor. </p>
<p>So, his best option = don&#8217;t buy a nintendo to replace the old one you didn&#8217;t break.</p>
<p>he seems to have chosen otherwise, and wants us to lament his free choice. I can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: bcsizemo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/20/buyer-beware-nintendo-nukes.html#comment-1587374</link>
		<dc:creator>bcsizemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure every hardware manufacture on the planet will love to hear that.

Hello, Toyota my car broke, fix it.
Hello, Acer, my monitor broke, it shouldn&#039;t do that.
Hello, reality, yeah you suck.

Nintendo isn&#039;t working for the DoD and building aircraft that need triple redundancy.  Memory fails, boards fail, hardware fails - that&#039;s a fact of life.

(Unless this is directly related to some shit components or some other way of being extra cheap.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure every hardware manufacture on the planet will love to hear that.</p>
<p>Hello, Toyota my car broke, fix it.<br />
Hello, Acer, my monitor broke, it shouldn&#8217;t do that.<br />
Hello, reality, yeah you suck.</p>
<p>Nintendo isn&#8217;t working for the DoD and building aircraft that need triple redundancy.  Memory fails, boards fail, hardware fails &#8211; that&#8217;s a fact of life.</p>
<p>(Unless this is directly related to some shit components or some other way of being extra cheap.)</p>
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		<title>By: acerplatanoides</title>
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		<dc:creator>acerplatanoides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Do you assume the Wii he was replacing had hardware designed to fail? Your assignment of intention to Nintendo for the failure is more than a bit forward, and I&#039;m not getting how it&#039;s different from the unreasonable expectations one holds Santa to, for a period of ones life. 

tl;dr: He broke his thing, and wants someone else to be at fault. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Do you assume the Wii he was replacing had hardware designed to fail? Your assignment of intention to Nintendo for the failure is more than a bit forward, and I&#8217;m not getting how it&#8217;s different from the unreasonable expectations one holds Santa to, for a period of ones life. </p>
<p>tl;dr: He broke his thing, and wants someone else to be at fault. </p>
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		<title>By: bcsizemo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/20/buyer-beware-nintendo-nukes.html#comment-1587368</link>
		<dc:creator>bcsizemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw this yesterday and didn&#039;t read it, but went back and had a look...

So, let me see if I have this straight:
-He can&#039;t copy/use the tool because his Wii has some type of problem.

Yup, that&#039;s all DRM&#039;s evil fault.  Not like it could be an actual hardware problem.  Perhaps the tool does a &quot;ghost&quot; like copy and there are failing sectors which is causing it to crap out (sectors that he isn&#039;t even using).  Perhaps it&#039;s a non-directly related software issue, like file table stuff.

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I get his beef with having purchased said $400 worth of virtual stuff and not being able to move it to his new machine.  I almost feels it&#039;s more about the saved data and customizations then it is about the actual games, but both are issues just for different reasons.

The only real lesson I took away from this is the newer the game system/hardware, the more complicated it is.  Sometimes shit breaks.

-oh and from the article it doesn&#039;t appear anything was &lt;i&gt;nuked&lt;/i&gt;, his Wii still works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this yesterday and didn&#8217;t read it, but went back and had a look&#8230;</p>
<p>So, let me see if I have this straight:<br />
-He can&#8217;t copy/use the tool because his Wii has some type of problem.</p>
<p>Yup, that&#8217;s all DRM&#8217;s evil fault.  Not like it could be an actual hardware problem.  Perhaps the tool does a &#8220;ghost&#8221; like copy and there are failing sectors which is causing it to crap out (sectors that he isn&#8217;t even using).  Perhaps it&#8217;s a non-directly related software issue, like file table stuff.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I get his beef with having purchased said $400 worth of virtual stuff and not being able to move it to his new machine.  I almost feels it&#8217;s more about the saved data and customizations then it is about the actual games, but both are issues just for different reasons.</p>
<p>The only real lesson I took away from this is the newer the game system/hardware, the more complicated it is.  Sometimes shit breaks.</p>
<p>-oh and from the article it doesn&#8217;t appear anything was <i>nuked</i>, his Wii still works.</p>
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