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	<title>Comments on: 3DS sues innovative new 3D printer company Formlabs &amp; Kickstarter for patent&#160;infringement</title>
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		<title>By: Lee Coleman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/3ds-sues-innovative-new-3d-pri.html#comment-1591448</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus Christ.  I was really looking forward to getting one of their machines, too.

As previously stated, it&#039;s frustrating as hell that 3D Systems can&#039;t just reevaluate their overpriced products and actually try and COMPETE with other companies like the rest of the world. 

This has now got me thinking about other technologies that are only expensive because the copyright holder gets to set the price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus Christ.  I was really looking forward to getting one of their machines, too.</p>
<p>As previously stated, it&#8217;s frustrating as hell that 3D Systems can&#8217;t just reevaluate their overpriced products and actually try and COMPETE with other companies like the rest of the world. </p>
<p>This has now got me thinking about other technologies that are only expensive because the copyright holder gets to set the price.</p>
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		<title>By: teapot</title>
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		<dc:creator>teapot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 04:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrible point. People do NOT have revolutionary ideas that stand alone. Great ideas are built on the work of those who have come before and to protect such &#039;innovations&#039; is totally insane.. If I can see how it works then it&#039;s mine to copy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrible point. People do NOT have revolutionary ideas that stand alone. Great ideas are built on the work of those who have come before and to protect such &#8216;innovations&#8217; is totally insane.. If I can see how it works then it&#8217;s mine to copy.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaleberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaleberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 18:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realized this back in the early 90s when Glide came out with the first Gortex dental floss. It changed my life. Thank goodness the original Gortex patent expired and the innovators were set free. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realized this back in the early 90s when Glide came out with the first Gortex dental floss. It changed my life. Thank goodness the original Gortex patent expired and the innovators were set free. </p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
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		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 18:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; just like most long term very expensive research projects.&lt;/i&gt;

...under the patent system. Are you, like our friend Mr. Dilworth, really contending that nothing would spring up in its absence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> just like most long term very expensive research projects.</i></p>
<p>&#8230;under the patent system. Are you, like our friend Mr. Dilworth, really contending that nothing would spring up in its absence?</p>
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		<title>By: IndexMe</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndexMe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...then only outlaws will have 3D printers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;then only outlaws will have 3D printers.</p>
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		<title>By: R_Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>R_Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am not a lawyer,&quot;

Could have fooled me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am not a lawyer,&#8221;</p>
<p>Could have fooled me.</p>
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		<title>By: James Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 08:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3D systems sell products like the Zcorp machines that were developed at MIT just like the current Formlab printers! They are attacking the innovative hand that feeds them!! If after 20 years of protection they can&#039;t put out machine affordable enough to compete with a group of recent graduates, their company has SERIOUS problems. Wake up 3Ds, we are coming for you, and attacking DIYers is fueling our fire.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3D systems sell products like the Zcorp machines that were developed at MIT just like the current Formlab printers! They are attacking the innovative hand that feeds them!! If after 20 years of protection they can&#8217;t put out machine affordable enough to compete with a group of recent graduates, their company has SERIOUS problems. Wake up 3Ds, we are coming for you, and attacking DIYers is fueling our fire&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: bcsizemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bcsizemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 07:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cancer research would slow to a crawl without patent protection, just like most long term very expensive research projects.

You know why?

Let&#039;s say I run a big pharma company and have spent 4 billion over the last decade to cure a cancer (I&#039;d say breast cancer but that seems all to obvious.)  It passes trials and enters the market.  Six months from now my competitor releases the same drug for a quarter the cost.  They were able to do this by examining my product and either copying it or making something very similar...all the time spending very little on the R&amp;D side of things.

You can rail on about how human drive and nature will win out, but humans can&#039;t do squat without resources.  You can&#039;t walk down to the corner store and pickup lab equipment like you&#039;d need to cure cancer (even if you could you&#039;d have to be that 1% to pay for it.)

That&#039;s all not to say that someone couldn&#039;t eventually cure it on their own, or as part of a small company.  But generally speaking having access to virtually unlimited resources typically expedites the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cancer research would slow to a crawl without patent protection, just like most long term very expensive research projects.</p>
<p>You know why?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say I run a big pharma company and have spent 4 billion over the last decade to cure a cancer (I&#8217;d say breast cancer but that seems all to obvious.)  It passes trials and enters the market.  Six months from now my competitor releases the same drug for a quarter the cost.  They were able to do this by examining my product and either copying it or making something very similar&#8230;all the time spending very little on the R&amp;D side of things.</p>
<p>You can rail on about how human drive and nature will win out, but humans can&#8217;t do squat without resources.  You can&#8217;t walk down to the corner store and pickup lab equipment like you&#8217;d need to cure cancer (even if you could you&#8217;d have to be that 1% to pay for it.)</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all not to say that someone couldn&#8217;t eventually cure it on their own, or as part of a small company.  But generally speaking having access to virtually unlimited resources typically expedites the process.</p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
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		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 06:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re doing no such thing, but go ahead and pretend like you&#039;re taking the high road as you reiterate that anybody who doesn&#039;t adopt your point of view doesn&#039;t understand the issues. Typical aristocratic cop-out, deciding you&#039;re offended at being called names and using that as an excuse to abandon a losing argument.

If you&#039;re having a logical conversation, how come you haven&#039;t answered my question about whether cancer research would be conducted in a world without patents?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re doing no such thing, but go ahead and pretend like you&#8217;re taking the high road as you reiterate that anybody who doesn&#8217;t adopt your point of view doesn&#8217;t understand the issues. Typical aristocratic cop-out, deciding you&#8217;re offended at being called names and using that as an excuse to abandon a losing argument.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re having a logical conversation, how come you haven&#8217;t answered my question about whether cancer research would be conducted in a world without patents?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Dilworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Dilworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 06:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lets say there was an awesome new technology that someone wanted to introduce, and it would take, say 5 years and 1 million dollars to develop. But lets also say that the patent system has been eliminated, and that persons work would be open to copying as soon as they released the first product.  That person might reasonably decide not to pursue that line of research for fear of being ripped off from the starting gate.  This is the sort of scenario the patent system is meant to address.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lets say there was an awesome new technology that someone wanted to introduce, and it would take, say 5 years and 1 million dollars to develop. But lets also say that the patent system has been eliminated, and that persons work would be open to copying as soon as they released the first product.  That person might reasonably decide not to pursue that line of research for fear of being ripped off from the starting gate.  This is the sort of scenario the patent system is meant to address.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Dilworth</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/3ds-sues-innovative-new-3d-pri.html#comment-1589383</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Dilworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 06:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am trying to have a logical conversation, and you call me names, this is why no head way will made on this issue on forums like this alas..
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am trying to have a logical conversation, and you call me names, this is why no head way will made on this issue on forums like this alas..</p>
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		<title>By: Funk Daddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funk Daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 02:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crappy example Pete, because &quot;bam&quot; Kickstarter allowed solutions to the expenses/risks and the people at Formlabs are clearly the sort who will innovate with, without or in spite of patents.


You assume things would not happen without the system but I must advise you that your argument only stands if you ignore one part of human nature to favour another. 

That&#039;s silly. 

The base motivations of creative endeavour, greed, necessity, or any other motivation to innovation remain without a patent system, thus can such a system only hinder innovations by limiting knowledge pools.

A patent system is the opposite of a merit based system, whether you are an inventor or an economist.

BTW did you read the press release. So silly, 

&quot;Why, they&#039;ve built a 3d printer, so there&#039;s gotta be something in there, right? cause we have patents that haven&#039;t expired, see? And since we&#039;re a big publicly traded company we can shitcan these upstarts with an injunction or two instead of making sure our products merit their market share when held up to competition.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crappy example Pete, because &#8220;bam&#8221; Kickstarter allowed solutions to the expenses/risks and the people at Formlabs are clearly the sort who will innovate with, without or in spite of patents.</p>
<p>You assume things would not happen without the system but I must advise you that your argument only stands if you ignore one part of human nature to favour another. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s silly. </p>
<p>The base motivations of creative endeavour, greed, necessity, or any other motivation to innovation remain without a patent system, thus can such a system only hinder innovations by limiting knowledge pools.</p>
<p>A patent system is the opposite of a merit based system, whether you are an inventor or an economist.</p>
<p>BTW did you read the press release. So silly, </p>
<p>&#8220;Why, they&#8217;ve built a 3d printer, so there&#8217;s gotta be something in there, right? cause we have patents that haven&#8217;t expired, see? And since we&#8217;re a big publicly traded company we can shitcan these upstarts with an injunction or two instead of making sure our products merit their market share when held up to competition.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
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		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 02:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By my estimation, you actually have to pay more for clothing &lt;i&gt;without&lt;/i&gt; external logos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By my estimation, you actually have to pay more for clothing <i>without</i> external logos.</p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
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		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 01:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop treating people who don&#039;t agree as ignorant, you patronizing t***.

However, it appears to be a simple fact that business people and their lawyers don&#039;t think their salaries should be subject to the same laws of commerce that Walmart jobs are: &quot;If you don&#039;t want the money we can find someone else who does.&quot; This is what history tells us.

Do you think people would stop looking for cures for cancer if there was no patent system? Then why is that the subtext of pro-patent logic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop treating people who don&#8217;t agree as ignorant, you patronizing t***.</p>
<p>However, it appears to be a simple fact that business people and their lawyers don&#8217;t think their salaries should be subject to the same laws of commerce that Walmart jobs are: &#8220;If you don&#8217;t want the money we can find someone else who does.&#8221; This is what history tells us.</p>
<p>Do you think people would stop looking for cures for cancer if there was no patent system? Then why is that the subtext of pro-patent logic?</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 01:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Risk AND expense?  And aside from financial risk what are you talking about?

Why should private risk be guaranteed by government protections?   Plenty of people take a risk and get a loan for an education.  It fails a lot.  I don&#039;t want to assume their failures.  Do you?

They why are we protecting these people?  What protections do they need?

Why do I have to bankroll a governmental patent army so that someone doesn&#039;t have to continue working?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Risk AND expense?  And aside from financial risk what are you talking about?</p>
<p>Why should private risk be guaranteed by government protections?   Plenty of people take a risk and get a loan for an education.  It fails a lot.  I don&#8217;t want to assume their failures.  Do you?</p>
<p>They why are we protecting these people?  What protections do they need?</p>
<p>Why do I have to bankroll a governmental patent army so that someone doesn&#8217;t have to continue working?</p>
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		<title>By: Bottle Imp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bottle Imp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 01:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You joke, but. . .</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no, clothes aren&#039;t covered by trademarks, but designer logos are, which is why clothing companies slather everything they make in tacky logos. 

there&#039;s actually a really good TED talk on the subject.

http://www.ted.com/talks/johanna_blakley_lessons_from_fashion_s_free_culture.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no, clothes aren&#8217;t covered by trademarks, but designer logos are, which is why clothing companies slather everything they make in tacky logos. </p>
<p>there&#8217;s actually a really good TED talk on the subject.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/johanna_blakley_lessons_from_fashion_s_free_culture.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ted.com/talks/johanna_blakley_lessons_from_fashion_s_free_culture.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter Dilworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Dilworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the point is to reward those who risk time/money/ideas on new technology, buy giving them a slight head start, otherwise those same people might not be as motivated to put in the resources needed to bring new ideas into the world, I can&#039;t understand why this is such a hard concept to grasp.  I certainly agree that the patent system as it currently exists is a complete mess, and needs to be overhauled from the ground up, but it should not be eliminated, that would be throwing the baby out with the bath water!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the point is to reward those who risk time/money/ideas on new technology, buy giving them a slight head start, otherwise those same people might not be as motivated to put in the resources needed to bring new ideas into the world, I can&#8217;t understand why this is such a hard concept to grasp.  I certainly agree that the patent system as it currently exists is a complete mess, and needs to be overhauled from the ground up, but it should not be eliminated, that would be throwing the baby out with the bath water!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Dilworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Dilworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how about the SLA 3d printing process?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how about the SLA 3d printing process?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Rosefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Rosefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A patent for optimal patent system abuse</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A patent for optimal patent system abuse</p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
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		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not missing the point, I simply don&#039;t agree. I think that even without Eli Whitney&#039;s patent we would still have our modern clothing industry. Not only that, but I defy you contend otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not missing the point, I simply don&#8217;t agree. I think that even without Eli Whitney&#8217;s patent we would still have our modern clothing industry. Not only that, but I defy you contend otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
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		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s protectionism for moneyed industry players.</description>
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		<title>By: nixiebunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>nixiebunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 23:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Name one example, please. </description>
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		<title>By: nixiebunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>nixiebunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 23:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Name a company that has no competition because they patented a product or process. Patents don&#039;t stop competitors; they just cause competitors to have to come up with products or processes that are different enough in the details to forestall patent infringement lawsuits. 

I&#039;d rather that companies spent all their R&amp;D money designing useful products instead of navigating the patent minefield. They&#039;d produce more useful stuff for less money. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Name a company that has no competition because they patented a product or process. Patents don&#8217;t stop competitors; they just cause competitors to have to come up with products or processes that are different enough in the details to forestall patent infringement lawsuits. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather that companies spent all their R&amp;D money designing useful products instead of navigating the patent minefield. They&#8217;d produce more useful stuff for less money. </p>
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		<title>By: Robert Drop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Drop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 23:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that they&#039;re suing Kickstarter immediately says to me, regardless of the merits of their case against Formlabs, that they&#039;re trolls.  What a stupid, stupid thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that they&#8217;re suing Kickstarter immediately says to me, regardless of the merits of their case against Formlabs, that they&#8217;re trolls.  What a stupid, stupid thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: SHeadius</title>
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		<dc:creator>SHeadius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 23:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m happy someone else sees the irony here!</description>
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		<title>By: Richard Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.
This is not a well-written patent. I note that the main claims 1, 12, and 19 do not specify whether the irradiated bit is the bit you keep or the bit you throw away. The &#039;synergistic stimulation&#039; could be irradiation or it could be chemical energy, so you could be etching or cross-linking. If you were playing safe, you would write separate claims for each possibility, so if someone knocked over one of them, the other would still stand.

Intriguingly, this same company coined the term &#039;stereolithography&#039; back in 1986 (see  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereolithography  They were genuine innovators in this field, but it made me wonder how they could be patenting stereolithography in 1994 using a word that they coined for apparently the same process in 1986. What they actually claim in this patent was a thick goop with some other strategies so they could write overhanging shapes and skinny bits that would not otherwise survive unsupported. This is clear in the summary but it is not clear to me in the claims, and that is the only place that counts.

Some of the late claims are a bit more specific. I suspect they may have a case. They certainly have enough to make a very long and messy court case. I guess we&#039;ll just have to wait until 2014.
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This is not a well-written patent. I note that the main claims 1, 12, and 19 do not specify whether the irradiated bit is the bit you keep or the bit you throw away. The &#8216;synergistic stimulation&#8217; could be irradiation or it could be chemical energy, so you could be etching or cross-linking. If you were playing safe, you would write separate claims for each possibility, so if someone knocked over one of them, the other would still stand.</p>
<p>Intriguingly, this same company coined the term &#8216;stereolithography&#8217; back in 1986 (see  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereolithography" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereolithography</a>  They were genuine innovators in this field, but it made me wonder how they could be patenting stereolithography in 1994 using a word that they coined for apparently the same process in 1986. What they actually claim in this patent was a thick goop with some other strategies so they could write overhanging shapes and skinny bits that would not otherwise survive unsupported. This is clear in the summary but it is not clear to me in the claims, and that is the only place that counts.</p>
<p>Some of the late claims are a bit more specific. I suspect they may have a case. They certainly have enough to make a very long and messy court case. I guess we&#8217;ll just have to wait until 2014.</p>
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		<title>By: vonbobo</title>
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		<dc:creator>vonbobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A company that makes a machine that can produce an exact copy of any item, is suing a company with a similar product. </description>
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		<title>By: MarlboroTestMonkey7</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarlboroTestMonkey7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would Eiffel do?</description>
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		<title>By: AviSolomon</title>
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		<dc:creator>AviSolomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 21:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This would not be happening if Formlabs had also filed their own defensive patent umbrella.</description>
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