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	<title>Comments on: Creationist fifth grade science textbook used in Louisiana public&#160;school</title>
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		<title>By: donniebnyc</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/creationist-fifth-grade-scienc.html#comment-1591511</link>
		<dc:creator>donniebnyc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;  I actually do personally lean towards a young earth view...&quot;

Translation:  I actually do personally lean away from accepted scientific facts based on empirical evidence, critical thinking skills and rationality.  

And, no you don&#039;t get any points because you &quot;don&#039;t think schools should be teaching that in a science classroom.&quot;

If you people weren&#039;t so dangerous to young minds, your feeble attempt at convincing those of us living in the reality-based world that you are one of the &quot;reasonable believers&quot; would be hilarious.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221;  I actually do personally lean towards a young earth view&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Translation:  I actually do personally lean away from accepted scientific facts based on empirical evidence, critical thinking skills and rationality.  </p>
<p>And, no you don&#8217;t get any points because you &#8220;don&#8217;t think schools should be teaching that in a science classroom.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you people weren&#8217;t so dangerous to young minds, your feeble attempt at convincing those of us living in the reality-based world that you are one of the &#8220;reasonable believers&#8221; would be hilarious.  </p>
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		<title>By: captain_cthulhu</title>
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		<dc:creator>captain_cthulhu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eating the fruit... It&#039;s just a way to explain original sin. Christianity needs original sin otherwise it is utterly useless - it&#039;s like an invention that solves no problem, so invent the problem too! Sounds suspiciously/ironically like Apple</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eating the fruit&#8230; It&#8217;s just a way to explain original sin. Christianity needs original sin otherwise it is utterly useless &#8211; it&#8217;s like an invention that solves no problem, so invent the problem too! Sounds suspiciously/ironically like Apple</p>
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		<title>By: captain_cthulhu</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/creationist-fifth-grade-scienc.html#comment-1591061</link>
		<dc:creator>captain_cthulhu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure about that - the bible is a book of wisdom which is best taught through metaphor (albeit using pragmatic examples). You don&#039;t need to look at separate passages to see the contradictions - contradictions of fact/science but not of wisdom.

For example simply look at genesis: notice how plants were created before our sun was - how can anyone think this is fact when photosynthesis is as clear as gravity now but was magic back then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure about that &#8211; the bible is a book of wisdom which is best taught through metaphor (albeit using pragmatic examples). You don&#8217;t need to look at separate passages to see the contradictions &#8211; contradictions of fact/science but not of wisdom.</p>
<p>For example simply look at genesis: notice how plants were created before our sun was &#8211; how can anyone think this is fact when photosynthesis is as clear as gravity now but was magic back then.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Harden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Harden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 03:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus H. Can we have it removed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus H. Can we have it removed?</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Harden</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/creationist-fifth-grade-scienc.html#comment-1590583</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Harden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 03:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always thought of heaven and hell as metaphorical representations of the extremes of darkness and light. I guess that we do choose darkness, sometimes consciously, sometimes unconsciously. But it is necessary. Without it, you can never find balance. Heaven is something  that every man would choose when given the choice, but maybe this isn&#039;t the right choice. The right choice is in between the two extremes. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always thought of heaven and hell as metaphorical representations of the extremes of darkness and light. I guess that we do choose darkness, sometimes consciously, sometimes unconsciously. But it is necessary. Without it, you can never find balance. Heaven is something  that every man would choose when given the choice, but maybe this isn&#8217;t the right choice. The right choice is in between the two extremes. </p>
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		<title>By: Laura Harden</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/creationist-fifth-grade-scienc.html#comment-1590580</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Harden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 03:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband was raised as a JW. Interesting group, very interesting group. They certainly know their target demographic, don&#039;t they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband was raised as a JW. Interesting group, very interesting group. They certainly know their target demographic, don&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Harden</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/creationist-fifth-grade-scienc.html#comment-1590578</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Harden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 02:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, like gravity and the periodic table, or aerospace engineering? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, like gravity and the periodic table, or aerospace engineering? </p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not satisfied being wrong once, they misrepresent how science views evolution and man&#039;s place in it.  Bravo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not satisfied being wrong once, they misrepresent how science views evolution and man&#8217;s place in it.  Bravo.</p>
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		<title>By: tiredofit</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiredofit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> CW -- What the heck do I care what the Creationist movement thinks the definition of a word is?  How are they an authoritative source on vocabulary given that they&#039;re wrong about just about everything? They want to claim the absolute &quot;truth&quot; of how existence came to be, and
 part of that is be claiming that they have an absolute hold on the word
 &quot;creationism.&quot;  By granting them that hold on the word you are giving 
them power, power they use to do more harm.

Creationism as a concept existed long before the movement you&#039;re talking about, long before Scopes. The Catholic Church is creationist, but &lt;i&gt;does not&lt;/i&gt; believe the world was created in six days, or that the Earth is only a few thousand years old.  The Anglican Church is creationist, but doesn&#039;t believe in the six day, thousand years old thing.  Hinduism has it&#039;s own creation myths (though they don&#039;t agree on any particular one). Those are current religions who are not part of the movement. But there are many others over time, from the Norse to the Greeks to the Mayans to the etc., etc., etc., etc.

Diversity of thought, of ideology, of belief are all anathema to these people. They need things to be binary -- good v. evil, black v. white, Creation v. Evolution, etc. -- in order to maintain their world view of being the good side standing with God against the evil.

Ensuring that they do not own the word &quot;creationism&quot; means they have to face that there are other ideas on how creation, that they don&#039;t get that binary view, that they are being challenged on all sides. It means not only Evolutionists are competing for their minds, but also all the other types of thoughts for how existence came to be.

That makes them weaker and less authoritative to their followers and converts.  And that&#039;s why I don&#039;t let them -- or us -- grant them the power to define our vocabulary.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> CW &#8212; What the heck do I care what the Creationist movement thinks the definition of a word is?  How are they an authoritative source on vocabulary given that they&#8217;re wrong about just about everything? They want to claim the absolute &#8220;truth&#8221; of how existence came to be, and<br />
 part of that is be claiming that they have an absolute hold on the word<br />
 &#8220;creationism.&#8221;  By granting them that hold on the word you are giving<br />
them power, power they use to do more harm.</p>
<p>Creationism as a concept existed long before the movement you&#8217;re talking about, long before Scopes. The Catholic Church is creationist, but <i>does not</i> believe the world was created in six days, or that the Earth is only a few thousand years old.  The Anglican Church is creationist, but doesn&#8217;t believe in the six day, thousand years old thing.  Hinduism has it&#8217;s own creation myths (though they don&#8217;t agree on any particular one). Those are current religions who are not part of the movement. But there are many others over time, from the Norse to the Greeks to the Mayans to the etc., etc., etc., etc.</p>
<p>Diversity of thought, of ideology, of belief are all anathema to these people. They need things to be binary &#8212; good v. evil, black v. white, Creation v. Evolution, etc. &#8212; in order to maintain their world view of being the good side standing with God against the evil.</p>
<p>Ensuring that they do not own the word &#8220;creationism&#8221; means they have to face that there are other ideas on how creation, that they don&#8217;t get that binary view, that they are being challenged on all sides. It means not only Evolutionists are competing for their minds, but also all the other types of thoughts for how existence came to be.</p>
<p>That makes them weaker and less authoritative to their followers and converts.  And that&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t let them &#8212; or us &#8212; grant them the power to define our vocabulary.</p>
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		<title>By: tiredofit</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiredofit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 11:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The word creationism means that existence was created through force of will or intent, and not through happenstance.  That&#039;s all it is.  There is a group of people who call themselves Creationists who are fully against science (except for things engineered through principled discovered in science), believe literally in the word by word creation story told in Genesis, and that the world is only a few thousand years old.

Those people are &lt;i&gt;wrong about everything&lt;/i&gt; so why would you let them decide what the definition of creationism is?  Why give them the power?

Here are links to some extremely varied sources, some crowd-sourced, some academic, some odd. 

Wikipedia, but some people don&#039;t like it as a real source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism

So I&#039;ll bring one from the right, Conservapedia: http://www.conservapedia.com/Creationism

Don&#039;t want crowd sourced? Here&#039;s Standford University&#039;s philosophy department: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/creationism/

And another source: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/wic.html

And a dictionary definition from Merriam Webster: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/creationism</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word creationism means that existence was created through force of will or intent, and not through happenstance.  That&#8217;s all it is.  There is a group of people who call themselves Creationists who are fully against science (except for things engineered through principled discovered in science), believe literally in the word by word creation story told in Genesis, and that the world is only a few thousand years old.</p>
<p>Those people are <i>wrong about everything</i> so why would you let them decide what the definition of creationism is?  Why give them the power?</p>
<p>Here are links to some extremely varied sources, some crowd-sourced, some academic, some odd. </p>
<p>Wikipedia, but some people don&#8217;t like it as a real source: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism</a></p>
<p>So I&#8217;ll bring one from the right, Conservapedia: <a href="http://www.conservapedia.com/Creationism" rel="nofollow">http://www.conservapedia.com/Creationism</a></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t want crowd sourced? Here&#8217;s Standford University&#8217;s philosophy department: <a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/creationism/" rel="nofollow">http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/creationism/</a></p>
<p>And another source: <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/wic.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/wic.html</a></p>
<p>And a dictionary definition from Merriam Webster: <a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/creationism" rel="nofollow">http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/creationism</a></p>
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		<title>By: C W</title>
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		<dc:creator>C W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 06:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You attach one definition to the word, I attach a different one, we talk past each other.&quot;

Your personal definition is not the one used by the Creationist movement who wishes to wedge themselves into public, secular schools. Your opinion is misinformed, the definition in place runs counter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You attach one definition to the word, I attach a different one, we talk past each other.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your personal definition is not the one used by the Creationist movement who wishes to wedge themselves into public, secular schools. Your opinion is misinformed, the definition in place runs counter.</p>
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		<title>By: C W</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/creationist-fifth-grade-scienc.html#comment-1590043</link>
		<dc:creator>C W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 06:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think you are misunderstanding creationism. It just means God created creation, not that the Bible is an accurate description of it.&quot;

This is 100% untrue. Creationism necessarily implies biblical literalism. One can believe in God&#039;s creation and evolution, but Creationists are fully against science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think you are misunderstanding creationism. It just means God created creation, not that the Bible is an accurate description of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is 100% untrue. Creationism necessarily implies biblical literalism. One can believe in God&#8217;s creation and evolution, but Creationists are fully against science.</p>
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		<title>By: C W</title>
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		<dc:creator>C W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 06:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yet it also sparks a conversation about what is science that the teacher can speak to.&quot;

Are you shitting us?

No teacher will be allowed to do this, certainly not in the schools that publish this trash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yet it also sparks a conversation about what is science that the teacher can speak to.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you shitting us?</p>
<p>No teacher will be allowed to do this, certainly not in the schools that publish this trash.</p>
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		<title>By: C W</title>
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		<dc:creator>C W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 06:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I actually do personally lean towards a young earth view, but recognize that it&#039;s absolutely the minority,&quot;

That&#039;s a polite way to say it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I actually do personally lean towards a young earth view, but recognize that it&#8217;s absolutely the minority,&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a polite way to say it.</p>
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		<title>By: IndexMe</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndexMe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God, what a hell-hole!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God, what a hell-hole!</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 14:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just remember to ignore the facts.

http://www.damninteresting.com/the-unfortunate-sex-life-of-the-banana/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just remember to ignore the facts.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.damninteresting.com/the-unfortunate-sex-life-of-the-banana/" rel="nofollow">http://www.damninteresting.com/the-unfortunate-sex-life-of-the-banana/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Deidzoeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deidzoeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not the tree of all knowledge, but the tree of knowledge of good and evil. I don&#039;t understand why anyone would hold them responsible for disobeying God&#039;s command not to eat the fruit, if they lacked knowledge of good and evil before that.

Still, I&#039;m skeptical of authorities who try to hide knowledge of any kind. Nolan&#039;s Batman, Starfleet&#039;s Prime Directive, Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men. &quot;You want the truth? You can&#039;t handle the truth!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not the tree of all knowledge, but the tree of knowledge of good and evil. I don&#8217;t understand why anyone would hold them responsible for disobeying God&#8217;s command not to eat the fruit, if they lacked knowledge of good and evil before that.</p>
<p>Still, I&#8217;m skeptical of authorities who try to hide knowledge of any kind. Nolan&#8217;s Batman, Starfleet&#8217;s Prime Directive, Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men. &#8220;You want the truth? You can&#8217;t handle the truth!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Deidzoeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deidzoeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m confused by the implication of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. God warns them not to eat from it, they do and suddenly gain knowledge (morality). 

If they didn&#039;t know right from wrong before, then how would they know that it&#039;s evil to ignore God&#039;s warning? What good is a warning given to people who don&#039;t know the difference between good and evil?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused by the implication of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. God warns them not to eat from it, they do and suddenly gain knowledge (morality). </p>
<p>If they didn&#8217;t know right from wrong before, then how would they know that it&#8217;s evil to ignore God&#8217;s warning? What good is a warning given to people who don&#8217;t know the difference between good and evil?</p>
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		<title>By: Deidzoeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deidzoeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Picture a Family Circle comic strip with Daddy frowning at that little rascal Yahweh and pointing at a pregnant Mary. Yahweh is shrugging. Behind him stands the Holy Spirit blushing, with a white gown marked &quot;Not Me.&quot;
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/drsanity/notme.gif</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Picture a Family Circle comic strip with Daddy frowning at that little rascal Yahweh and pointing at a pregnant Mary. Yahweh is shrugging. Behind him stands the Holy Spirit blushing, with a white gown marked &#8220;Not Me.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/drsanity/notme.gif" rel="nofollow">http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/drsanity/notme.gif</a></p>
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		<title>By: Deidzoeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deidzoeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but that&#039;s the South *deserving* a bum rap again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but that&#8217;s the South *deserving* a bum rap again.</p>
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		<title>By: Deidzoeb</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/creationist-fifth-grade-scienc.html#comment-1589502</link>
		<dc:creator>Deidzoeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a great example of antimetabole, but not necessarily a good argument.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimetabole

The Bible makes straightforward statements about God creating Earth, and about what Heaven is like. It seems fair to interpret the Bible literally or metaphorically, but I don&#039;t see anything on either side demanding that some of it *must* be taken literally or some of it must be taken metaphorically. (Except that some parts taken literally contradict other parts.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a great example of antimetabole, but not necessarily a good argument.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimetabole" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimetabole</a></p>
<p>The Bible makes straightforward statements about God creating Earth, and about what Heaven is like. It seems fair to interpret the Bible literally or metaphorically, but I don&#8217;t see anything on either side demanding that some of it *must* be taken literally or some of it must be taken metaphorically. (Except that some parts taken literally contradict other parts.)</p>
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		<title>By: penguinchris</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/creationist-fifth-grade-scienc.html#comment-1589488</link>
		<dc:creator>penguinchris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 11:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a geologist; most others I&#039;ve known are atheists (in practice, anyway - there are always people who hold on to their religion for whatever reasons but don&#039;t actually believe it, of course). I have met at least one devoutly Christian one, however. He kept his mouth shut and nobody has any idea, for the most part. I honestly don&#039;t know how far his beliefs went, but I got the feeling that they were contradictory enough to warrant extreme ridicule from his peers if it was known at large (hence keeping his mouth shut about it). 

I have also met a biologist who was a devout Christian, and I gleaned a little bit more of the mindset from her. In a nutshell: cognitive dissonance in the extreme. She seemed accepting of my explanation of what I was researching at the time, which happens to be something contentious to young earth creationists involving things on a millions-and-billions-of-years scale, but I was also hopelessly, unrequitedly in love with her and was suffering from some cognitive dissonance of my own there so I may have misinterpreted any disagreements she may have had ;)

My personal experience aside, I too have read of geologists and biologists specifically like the ones you describe. As good as their work within their specific sub-fields may be, I find myself unable to respect them and if I was studying something similar I would be loathe to cite their work. If they have that level of cognitive dissonance going, I really don&#039;t trust their ability as a scientist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a geologist; most others I&#8217;ve known are atheists (in practice, anyway &#8211; there are always people who hold on to their religion for whatever reasons but don&#8217;t actually believe it, of course). I have met at least one devoutly Christian one, however. He kept his mouth shut and nobody has any idea, for the most part. I honestly don&#8217;t know how far his beliefs went, but I got the feeling that they were contradictory enough to warrant extreme ridicule from his peers if it was known at large (hence keeping his mouth shut about it). </p>
<p>I have also met a biologist who was a devout Christian, and I gleaned a little bit more of the mindset from her. In a nutshell: cognitive dissonance in the extreme. She seemed accepting of my explanation of what I was researching at the time, which happens to be something contentious to young earth creationists involving things on a millions-and-billions-of-years scale, but I was also hopelessly, unrequitedly in love with her and was suffering from some cognitive dissonance of my own there so I may have misinterpreted any disagreements she may have had ;)</p>
<p>My personal experience aside, I too have read of geologists and biologists specifically like the ones you describe. As good as their work within their specific sub-fields may be, I find myself unable to respect them and if I was studying something similar I would be loathe to cite their work. If they have that level of cognitive dissonance going, I really don&#8217;t trust their ability as a scientist.</p>
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		<title>By: onepieceman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/creationist-fifth-grade-scienc.html#comment-1589464</link>
		<dc:creator>onepieceman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I wish I had this sort of critical thinking taught when I was at school. It&#039;s too easy to arrive at the conclusion (while at school) that whatever is in a textbook must be true.
I think overall this book is likely to do a lot of good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I wish I had this sort of critical thinking taught when I was at school. It&#8217;s too easy to arrive at the conclusion (while at school) that whatever is in a textbook must be true.<br />
I think overall this book is likely to do a lot of good.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Singleton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/creationist-fifth-grade-scienc.html#comment-1589437</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Singleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 08:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bible tells you how to go to Heaven. Not how the Heavens (or the Earth) go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bible tells you how to go to Heaven. Not how the Heavens (or the Earth) go.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Singleton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/creationist-fifth-grade-scienc.html#comment-1589432</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Singleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 08:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would totally watch that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would totally watch that.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Singleton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/creationist-fifth-grade-scienc.html#comment-1589430</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Singleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 08:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: rCoyle</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/creationist-fifth-grade-scienc.html#comment-1589314</link>
		<dc:creator>rCoyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 03:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you can&#039;t explain it simply, you don&#039;t understand it well enough&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you can&#8217;t explain it simply, you don&#8217;t understand it well enough&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/creationist-fifth-grade-scienc.html#comment-1589306</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 03:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Disqus kills the gif.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Disqus kills the gif.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Starko</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/creationist-fifth-grade-scienc.html#comment-1589281</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Starko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 02:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoosh.

Oh well that&#039;s depressing, BoingBoing kills the gif.
Well, here it is https://dl.dropbox.com/u/88376310/woosh.gif</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoosh.</p>
<p>Oh well that&#8217;s depressing, BoingBoing kills the gif.<br />
Well, here it is <a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/88376310/woosh.gif" rel="nofollow">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/88376310/woosh.gif</a></p>
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		<title>By: endrest</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/creationist-fifth-grade-scienc.html#comment-1589277</link>
		<dc:creator>endrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 02:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@dolo54 - I see your sarcasm and raise you some of my &#039;beliefs&#039;...  What I love/hate about Creationists is how they cherry-pick the science that is convenient for them.  There&#039;s a ton of science that went into the stuff that makes our life easier (or not), such as cellphones, TV, cars, and processed cheese spread. Why can Creationists accept certain aspects of science (fact) and not others?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dolo54 &#8211; I see your sarcasm and raise you some of my &#8216;beliefs&#8217;&#8230;  What I love/hate about Creationists is how they cherry-pick the science that is convenient for them.  There&#8217;s a ton of science that went into the stuff that makes our life easier (or not), such as cellphones, TV, cars, and processed cheese spread. Why can Creationists accept certain aspects of science (fact) and not others?</p>
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