Comments on: Great kickstarter for 1970s interviews with notable people http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/great-kickstarter-for-1970s-in.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Wed, 22 May 2013 00:05:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: cdh1971 http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/great-kickstarter-for-1970s-in.html#comment-1589891 cdh1971 Thu, 22 Nov 2012 22:08:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=195729#comment-1589891 Timmy, obviously most things work like this, and I agree that this doesn't make it right. However, this isn't _about_ health care, personal security, human rights and etcetera, it is about recorded interviews.  Please help me understand how your comment adds to this discussion.  Timmy, obviously most things work like this, and I agree that this doesn’t make it right.

However, this isn’t _about_ health care, personal security, human rights and etcetera, it is about recorded interviews.  Please help me understand how your comment adds to this discussion. 

]]> By: Timmy http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/great-kickstarter-for-1970s-in.html#comment-1589546 Timmy Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:49:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=195729#comment-1589546 > If it's worth it to them, they'll pay it  *Everything* works like this. Health care, personal security, human rights: but that doesn't make it right. > If it’s worth it to them, they’ll pay it 

*Everything* works like this. Health care, personal security, human rights: but that doesn’t make it right.

]]> By: acb http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/great-kickstarter-for-1970s-in.html#comment-1589515 acb Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:32:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=195729#comment-1589515 The fact that Boing Boing is publishing this uncritically looks like a sign that we have given up the copyfight and accepted the “if value, then right” ideology of the intellectual property absolutists. It goes without saying and without question that cultural artefacts are intellectual property, belonging solely to an owner, whose absolute and inalienable right it is to monetise them optimally. The fact that Boing Boing is publishing this uncritically looks like a sign that we have given up the copyfight and accepted the “if value, then right” ideology of the intellectual property absolutists. It goes without saying and without question that cultural artefacts are intellectual property, belonging solely to an owner, whose absolute and inalienable right it is to monetise them optimally.

]]> By: puppybeard http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/great-kickstarter-for-1970s-in.html#comment-1589513 puppybeard Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:30:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=195729#comment-1589513 There's a lot of folk on here not reading before reacting. Some points to bear in mind. 1. Every interview is going to be for sale individually on itunes once the project is done. 2. The fancy box-sets are effectively art pieces, that's why they're limited. 3. Kickstarter is NOT A SHOP. It's for funding projects you want to give patronage. Value-for-money considerations are irrelevant and miss the point of Kickstarter. 4. KICKSTARTER IS NOT A SHOP. 5. The man himself is 76, and has cancer, is he not entitled to a little comfort? He's certainly entitled to do whatever the hell he wants with his own work. 6. KICKSTARTER IS NOT A SHOP! See also: http://www.kickstarter.com/blog/kickstarter-is-not-a-store There’s a lot of folk on here not reading before reacting.
Some points to bear in mind.

1. Every interview is going to be for sale individually on itunes once the project is done.
2. The fancy box-sets are effectively art pieces, that’s why they’re limited.
3. Kickstarter is NOT A SHOP. It’s for funding projects you want to give patronage. Value-for-money considerations are irrelevant and miss the point of Kickstarter.
4. KICKSTARTER IS NOT A SHOP.
5. The man himself is 76, and has cancer, is he not entitled to a little comfort? He’s certainly entitled to do whatever the hell he wants with his own work.
6. KICKSTARTER IS NOT A SHOP!

See also: http://www.kickstarter.com/blog/kickstarter-is-not-a-store

]]> By: puppybeard http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/great-kickstarter-for-1970s-in.html#comment-1589509 puppybeard Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:21:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=195729#comment-1589509  It's a numbered limited-edition box-set with special covers. I imagine there'll be a more commercial release, once all the work is done.  It’s a numbered limited-edition box-set with special covers. I imagine there’ll be a more commercial release, once all the work is done.

]]> By: puppybeard http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/great-kickstarter-for-1970s-in.html#comment-1589505 puppybeard Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:19:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=195729#comment-1589505  The man is 76 years old, and riddled with cancer. I reckon he's allowed make money from his work any way he likes. Also, there'll be 6-interview sets going on sale for $13. Would I do it differently? Definitely. Doesn't make the man some sort of asshole for not doing things my way.  The man is 76 years old, and riddled with cancer. I reckon he’s allowed make money from his work any way he likes.

Also, there’ll be 6-interview sets going on sale for $13.

Would I do it differently? Definitely. Doesn’t make the man some sort of asshole for not doing things my way.

]]> By: puppybeard http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/great-kickstarter-for-1970s-in.html#comment-1589492 puppybeard Thu, 22 Nov 2012 11:53:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=195729#comment-1589492  While I think people over-state the appeal of drm-free sometimes, in this case I think you're absolutely right. An $80 digital recording is guaranteed to become a torrent on day one.  While I think people over-state the appeal of drm-free sometimes, in this case I think you’re absolutely right.

An $80 digital recording is guaranteed to become a torrent on day one.

]]> By: Jack P http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/great-kickstarter-for-1970s-in.html#comment-1589482 Jack P Thu, 22 Nov 2012 11:13:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=195729#comment-1589482 This is it! My first time to be really and  so spectacularly pissed off by any boingboing recommendation. I'm usually in sync, but this time -tawdry doesn't begin to cover it:  TL:DR - so we have these tapes we could just release, but no wait! ... we are going to use kick-starter (against all of its essential reasons for being) to create an artificial scarcity... so we can cash in on it big time... AND to hopefully make even HUGER bucks - guess what! ALL your donations are welcome!Since pledges are being solicited - could I pledge and ask others to pledge - to pirate and torrent this collection as soon as physically possible? After all - this is an extremely undeserving case...And shame on you Mr boingboing in chief..... This is it! My first time to be really and  so spectacularly pissed off by any boingboing recommendation. I’m usually in sync, but this time -tawdry doesn’t begin to cover it: 

TL:DR – so we have these tapes we could just release, but no wait! … we are going to use kick-starter (against all of its essential reasons for being) to create an artificial scarcity… so we can cash in on it big time… AND to hopefully make even HUGER bucks – guess what! ALL your donations are welcome!Since pledges are being solicited – could I pledge and ask others to pledge – to pirate and torrent this collection as soon as physically possible? After all – this is an extremely undeserving case…And shame on you Mr boingboing in chief…..

]]> By: cdh1971 http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/great-kickstarter-for-1970s-in.html#comment-1589429 cdh1971 Thu, 22 Nov 2012 08:25:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=195729#comment-1589429 I had the same initial thought Quiet Wyatt.  The $300 for the physical box set is cool, no problems with this. Now, the $80 for the digital version, I had your same thought at first, but then, I had another - no one is twisting the people's arms to buy the digital version. If it's worth it to them, they'll pay it - but I think, most those interested in listening to these interviews know the alternate methods of getting them for free, save for those of us who must have it now-ish - b4 it's posted in torrents or on Usenet ant etcetera. The $80 will be more of a donation, and I guess that more people will pay the 80 bucks than we might first think. On the other hand, if the digital version was 15 bucks, or whatever, they might make the same amount of returns and most who wish to hear these interviews wouldn't feel the need to pursue alternate methods to acquire. Fuck, I don't know...this is all very complex and economics isn't my strength. For $300 though, the box set had better be fcuking spectacular --the sort of object that gives me that visual, olfactory, tactile, shiny, shaky feeling  of anticipation I felt as a child and teenager when I clawed open the shrink-wrap of an LP or single that was a gift, or one that I saved my allowance or wages for and rode my bike or scooter to buy. What parallels exist now? Plenty - the thrill of the hunt you know...  I had the same initial thought Quiet Wyatt. 

The $300 for the physical box set is cool, no problems with this. Now, the $80 for the digital version, I had your same thought at first, but then, I had another – no one is twisting the people’s arms to buy the digital version. If it’s worth it to them, they’ll pay it – but I think, most those interested in listening to these interviews know the alternate methods of getting them for free, save for those of us who must have it now-ish – b4 it’s posted in torrents or on Usenet ant etcetera. The $80 will be more of a donation, and I guess that more people will pay the 80 bucks than we might first think. On the other hand, if the digital version was 15 bucks, or whatever, they might make the same amount of returns and most who wish to hear these interviews wouldn’t feel the need to pursue alternate methods to acquire. Fuck, I don’t know…this is all very complex and economics isn’t my strength. For $300 though, the box set had better be fcuking spectacular –the sort of object that gives me that visual, olfactory, tactile, shiny, shaky feeling  of anticipation I felt as a child and teenager when I clawed open the shrink-wrap of an LP or single that was a gift, or one that I saved my allowance or wages for and rode my bike or scooter to buy. What parallels exist now? Plenty – the thrill of the hunt you know… 

]]> By: SedanChair http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/great-kickstarter-for-1970s-in.html#comment-1589423 SedanChair Thu, 22 Nov 2012 08:05:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=195729#comment-1589423 Hey geniuses, sell DRM-free digital access for $5 and you'll make more money. Hey geniuses, sell DRM-free digital access for $5 and you’ll make more money.

]]> By: Bruce Diamond http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/great-kickstarter-for-1970s-in.html#comment-1589337 Bruce Diamond Thu, 22 Nov 2012 04:44:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=195729#comment-1589337 Only the material has the potential to be great. Not the Kickstarter project, for reasons well-stated above. Only the material has the potential to be great. Not the Kickstarter project, for reasons well-stated above.

]]> By: Quiet Wyatt http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/great-kickstarter-for-1970s-in.html#comment-1589322 Quiet Wyatt Thu, 22 Nov 2012 04:15:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=195729#comment-1589322 Thinking about it further, I have no problem with the $300 price tag for the physical box set. Those who find that a reasonable price for the physical objects can choose to pay it. It's the $80 for a digital version that seems wrong -- or, at best, the bluest of blue-sky-thinking. Thinking about it further, I have no problem with the $300 price tag for the physical box set. Those who find that a reasonable price for the physical objects can choose to pay it. It’s the $80 for a digital version that seems wrong — or, at best, the bluest of blue-sky-thinking.

]]> By: Quiet Wyatt http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/great-kickstarter-for-1970s-in.html#comment-1589305 Quiet Wyatt Thu, 22 Nov 2012 03:36:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=195729#comment-1589305 Yeah.  Theoretically, I tend not to be opposed to anyone making a livelihood. But in a case like this, my feeling as a librarian (my own meager livelihood) is that Smith ought to do the decent thing and freely donate his interviews to the Smithsonian, Library of Congress, or any other archive of his choice, so that <i>everyone</i> can reap the benefits of his work, not just those few with $300 to spare. This is library material, and it's churlish to charge for it. Of course, as soon as the box set is released, those files <i>will</i> quickly become freely available, to those with the wherewithal to seek and obtain them. Guess where people who don't have computers or broadband connections go to do that sort of thing? ;-) Yeah.  Theoretically, I tend not to be opposed to anyone making a livelihood. But in a case like this, my feeling as a librarian (my own meager livelihood) is that Smith ought to do the decent thing and freely donate his interviews to the Smithsonian, Library of Congress, or any other archive of his choice, so that everyone can reap the benefits of his work, not just those few with $300 to spare. This is library material, and it’s churlish to charge for it.

Of course, as soon as the box set is released, those files will quickly become freely available, to those with the wherewithal to seek and obtain them. Guess where people who don’t have computers or broadband connections go to do that sort of thing? ;-)

]]> By: 10xor01 http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/great-kickstarter-for-1970s-in.html#comment-1589270 10xor01 Thu, 22 Nov 2012 02:33:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=195729#comment-1589270 "But expensive!" If anything was ever destined for usenet... But that doesn't prevent one from donating a smaller amount. “But expensive!”

If anything was ever destined for usenet…

But that doesn’t prevent one from donating a smaller amount.

]]> By: EH http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/great-kickstarter-for-1970s-in.html#comment-1589268 EH Thu, 22 Nov 2012 02:29:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=195729#comment-1589268 Seems odd to make it so limited. Seems odd to make it so limited.

]]> By: Lord_Haw_Haw http://boingboing.net/2012/11/21/great-kickstarter-for-1970s-in.html#comment-1589255 Lord_Haw_Haw Thu, 22 Nov 2012 02:06:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=195729#comment-1589255 This is a rather tawdry use of Kickstarter. This is a rather tawdry use of Kickstarter.

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