Comments on: Scary weapon: "Man Catcher" from 1601-1800

By: curgoth

curgoth — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 20:01:00 +0000

I assume that as a weapon of war, the idea was to pull knights off horseback then hold them so you and your footman buddies could ransom them off and make your fortune.

By: CLamb

CLamb — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:36:00 +0000

My first thought was that the legs get caught in there because it was intended for pulling men off of horses.

By: Betsumei

Betsumei — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 14:43:00 +0000

Yeah, I’m going to claim I thought it was the waist, too, instead of slightly lower.

By: egriff5514

egriff5514 — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:17:00 +0000

There’s a device with similar purpose in Cambridge (UK) in the Fitzwilliam Museum, though in that one the claws are spring loaded and click shut around the neck on contact… billed as as ‘peasant catcher’ I recall.

By: Stephen Anderson

Stephen Anderson — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 08:39:00 +0000

It seems like an impractical weapon of war. Without a way for a quick-release from the user, it would be a single-use, albeit, effective weapon.

By: Halloween_Jack

Halloween_Jack — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 03:36:00 +0000

Do you know that they did? The Wikipedia article seems to be in need of citations aside from one lonely reference back to the same source you linked to. According to the article on Wellcome himself, his collection originally consisted of around one million items, with about 125,000 in medicine alone. Not trying to rain on your parade with my reflexive skepticism here, but maybe not everything in it was rigorously researched.

By: gratefulvideo

gratefulvideo — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 02:23:00 +0000

Wouldn’t this be aimed at the arm or leg if the goal is to catch a man and not kill him? If this were around someone’s neck it would be fatal unless the man was very still. Also the arms and legs are a much easier target.

By: Sanjaya Kumar

Sanjaya Kumar — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 02:01:00 +0000

Thanks for pointing that out. I hadn’t noticed the two hinges and leaf springs (in fact the top leaf spring is broken in this particular sample). I initially thought the entire hoop flexes out, but now I can see how this thing works.

By: GawainLavers

GawainLavers — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 01:02:00 +0000

Yes! This is not news to anyone who owned Unearthed Arcana.

By: DevinC

DevinC — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 23:04:00 +0000

I’d certainly like to know more. I’m not willing to just assume that the authority in question here is correct without more specific evidence, given that very similar hoaxes (like the Iron Maiden of Nuremberg) have been passed off before. (The link seems to imply the source was Henry Wellcome himself; I don’t know what his standards were, or what further research the curators have done.)

I’m just as interested in hearing specifics about how and when they were used in warfare. I’ve heard of similar things being used for transportation of prisoners, but not in actually acquiring them.

By: MarlboroTestMonkey7

MarlboroTestMonkey7 — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:36:00 +0000

I guess the triangular part helps to prop the prisioner against a wall or floor… maybe the inside angles do fit into some corresponding hook.

By: Michael Dolan

Michael Dolan — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 21:46:00 +0000

I thought you were geeks! This is a classic DnD weapon, which caused 1-2 points of non-lethal damage. I’m fairly certain this is real as well, I saw a similar one at Castel San Angelo in Rome.

By: David Pescovitz

David Pescovitz — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 21:41:00 +0000

Perhaps you should let the Wellcome Collection know that they are mistaken about the provenance of this item in their archives. I’m sure they didn’t research it at all.

By: Rich Keller

Rich Keller — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 21:36:00 +0000

Yay! Thanks, I’ve been wondering what one of these looked like since I was 12.

By: SummerFang

SummerFang — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 21:31:00 +0000

Oh duh, neck. For some reason, without any visual reference I had the scale all wrong and pictured it grabbing around the torso/waist. Neck makes much more sense now.

By: RJ

RJ — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:59:00 +0000

It’s my understanding that man-catchers were mainly a tool of law enforcement rather than war. It’s not as messy and violent to use as war weapons, and is safer than using a truncheon when you’re trying to catch an armed man.

By: Joseph Francis

Joseph Francis — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:52:00 +0000

I need one but I’m waiting for the Instructable.

By: Incipient Madness

Incipient Madness — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:46:00 +0000

OK:

By: David Speller

David Speller — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:38:00 +0000

Look carefully and you’ll see that the outer bits that would first contact the victim are hinged, you can see the hinge pins at the corners. Those arms bend in with the initial thrust and then pop back into place thanks to the two leaf springs (the top one is broken), preventing escape. I don’t know if it’s genuine or not but it would seem to be well designed.

By: jandrese

jandrese — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:26:00 +0000

I don’t think those spikes are razor sharp. They’re a deterrent against having the other guy try to fight and maybe knocking you off your horse. If the guy does fight then yeah, they could be dangerous, just like Tasers.

By: Rich Keller

Rich Keller — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:26:00 +0000

This seems like it could be a fun project for Mythbusters if they could figure out how to get their dummmy to ride a horse.

This was designed to be used on armored opponents whose necks would be procected. There are easier ways to kill a rider than by trying to snag him around the neck.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mancatcher

By: Rich Keller

Rich Keller — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:26:00 +0000

Now if only someone would post a picture of a Bohemian earspoon.

By: Halloween_Jack

Halloween_Jack — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:19:00 +0000

As with similar BB posts (I think that there was one on some mask-like device once), I’m calling BS. Not only would it be nearly impossible for someone to grab someone else with this while one or both were on horseback without killing them (a simple spear would suffice for that function), but it’s something that would put the wielder at nearly the same risk as the intended target if the target should be able to grab hold of it; plus, of course, someone so snared could easily free themselves if they weren’t immediately killed, and if their hands were bound, why would you need this? A simple loop of rope on the end of a staff would suffice.
No, I’m thinking that, like the vast majority of antique chastity belts, or the “fantasy” knives and swords that you can find in a modern BUDK catalog, this is created for the kind of person that collects these things rather than any practical purpose.

By: Robert

Robert — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:56:00 +0000

Yes, those are leaf springs in there.

By: Grégoire Tricoire

Grégoire Tricoire — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:29:00 +0000

Acurately named “attrape-coquin” (naughty-catcher) in medieval french.

By: speno

speno — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:28:00 +0000

A favorite weapon of the Kuo-Toa.

By: Sanjaya Kumar

Sanjaya Kumar — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:25:00 +0000

What is the function of the triangular part? Is it flexible enough that if pushed against someone’s neck the two sides will flex out and let the neck pop into the hoop with spikes?

Also, it seems to me that while it may catch a man, it will turn him into a corpse in short order. Both the catcher and the catchee will have to be very very careful to actually keep the person alive.

By: NelC

NelC — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:22:00 +0000

I saw temple staff demonstrate the use of similar, um, tools at a temple in Kyoto, Higashi Honganji, when I happened to be there during their biannual safety meeting. (The demos were a response to a nutter who had threatened to burn down the temple on a previous occasion, iirc.) Theirs were designed to be used around the waist, though, and had no spikes. Very blurry pics here.

By: Will Bueche

Will Bueche — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:16:00 +0000

How does puncturing a rider’s jugulars qualify as “less lethal”? This is designed to pull a rider off and ensure that he’s dying by the time he hits the ground.

By: Barbara Skoda

Barbara Skoda — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:15:00 +0000

Saw one in the weapons chamber of a fortress in Austria once. The tourguide said the spikes were placed to puncture the cartoid arteries of the person captured.
It was used to fight off invaders who tried to scale the fortress wall by ladder.

Nasty way to die..