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	<title>Comments on: How Walmart uses medicaid and foodstamps to avoid paying its workers a living&#160;wage</title>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/23/how-walmart-uses-medicaid-and.html#comment-1592350</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 15:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> It&#039;s worse than that because your $11.025/hr is based on full time employment for 52 weeks, and Walmart is not even offering that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> It&#8217;s worse than that because your $11.025/hr is based on full time employment for 52 weeks, and Walmart is not even offering that.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/23/how-walmart-uses-medicaid-and.html#comment-1591546</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But even with the hunger and poor housing, the lives of the the 19th century European urban poor would have been a dream for those held as slaves. &lt;/blockquote&gt;I&#039;m not actually sure this is true.  It&#039;s a complicated issue and I wouldn&#039;t jump to the conclusion that the opposite is true, but I&#039;d need to see a real argument rather than a naked assertion before I came to any kind of conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But even with the hunger and poor housing, the lives of the the 19th century European urban poor would have been a dream for those held as slaves. </p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not actually sure this is true.  It&#8217;s a complicated issue and I wouldn&#8217;t jump to the conclusion that the opposite is true, but I&#8217;d need to see a real argument rather than a naked assertion before I came to any kind of conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/23/how-walmart-uses-medicaid-and.html#comment-1591534</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bottom line: Walmart gets to pay less than a living wage because their employees&#039; livelihoods are underwritten by taxpayers.  This is true of other employers as well.

The point is that Walmart (and other employers) are beneficiaries of socialism.  There are other senses in which this is true; Walmart is successful because of the interstate system and other government-provided infrastructure which represents a direct subsidy to Walmart (and other businesses).

It&#039;s easier to explain and to understand this using a specific example (Walmart) rather than discussing in the abstract.  Doing so does not imply that the same arguments wouldn&#039;t also apply to other businesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bottom line: Walmart gets to pay less than a living wage because their employees&#8217; livelihoods are underwritten by taxpayers.  This is true of other employers as well.</p>
<p>The point is that Walmart (and other employers) are beneficiaries of socialism.  There are other senses in which this is true; Walmart is successful because of the interstate system and other government-provided infrastructure which represents a direct subsidy to Walmart (and other businesses).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easier to explain and to understand this using a specific example (Walmart) rather than discussing in the abstract.  Doing so does not imply that the same arguments wouldn&#8217;t also apply to other businesses.</p>
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		<title>By: hardlystrictlybluestocking</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/23/how-walmart-uses-medicaid-and.html#comment-1591506</link>
		<dc:creator>hardlystrictlybluestocking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is an argument, but it is not the one posted by bcsizemo:

&quot;The price of consumed required goods and or staples (like food and gas) would go up accordingly since everyone has more than enough money to pay for it.  That&#039;s the free market in effect.&quot;

The argument that a higher minimum wage increases retail prices is also specious, however. The only reason prices would rise is if Walmart decides to maintain the same business model and profit margin.

Walmart spends a lot of money suppressing workers. If they want to make up for the additional cost of getting their employees off of welfare, they can just take it out of their present budget for high-priced unionbusting consultants, lawyers and lobbyists. This would not change their profits one bit.

Walmart&#039;s labor costs are 10% of their expense budget, a tiny proportion of their profits. They could pay staff 30% more (raising average full-time pay to a whopping $1,832.50 per month before taxes) and insure them all without endangering profitability in the least.

Their margin is a direct consequence of government subsidies, among them food stamps, Medicaid and tax concessions. They are not a retailer, they are a welfare scam that happens to sell laundry soap and televisions on the side. Despite the entitlement exuded by executives, this is not free-market capitalism. Walmart is a failure by the standards of capitalism because they cannot pay their own way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is an argument, but it is not the one posted by bcsizemo:</p>
<p>&#8220;The price of consumed required goods and or staples (like food and gas) would go up accordingly since everyone has more than enough money to pay for it.  That&#8217;s the free market in effect.&#8221;</p>
<p>The argument that a higher minimum wage increases retail prices is also specious, however. The only reason prices would rise is if Walmart decides to maintain the same business model and profit margin.</p>
<p>Walmart spends a lot of money suppressing workers. If they want to make up for the additional cost of getting their employees off of welfare, they can just take it out of their present budget for high-priced unionbusting consultants, lawyers and lobbyists. This would not change their profits one bit.</p>
<p>Walmart&#8217;s labor costs are 10% of their expense budget, a tiny proportion of their profits. They could pay staff 30% more (raising average full-time pay to a whopping $1,832.50 per month before taxes) and insure them all without endangering profitability in the least.</p>
<p>Their margin is a direct consequence of government subsidies, among them food stamps, Medicaid and tax concessions. They are not a retailer, they are a welfare scam that happens to sell laundry soap and televisions on the side. Despite the entitlement exuded by executives, this is not free-market capitalism. Walmart is a failure by the standards of capitalism because they cannot pay their own way.</p>
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		<title>By: Robo Pastierovič</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/23/how-walmart-uses-medicaid-and.html#comment-1591376</link>
		<dc:creator>Robo Pastierovič</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> health insurance is provided by the state and is taken from the salary similarly to tax deduction; approximately half of the salary is deducted as taxes, life insurance etc. So average monthly salary not taken into account all the deductions is around 1500 EUR (1943 USD). But that&#039;s average, median is much lower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> health insurance is provided by the state and is taken from the salary similarly to tax deduction; approximately half of the salary is deducted as taxes, life insurance etc. So average monthly salary not taken into account all the deductions is around 1500 EUR (1943 USD). But that&#8217;s average, median is much lower.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Rucker</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/23/how-walmart-uses-medicaid-and.html#comment-1591157</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Rucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The argument is actually that if you increase minimum wage, you increase the cost of labor necessary for goods and services that the minimum wage buys (or increase the amount of foreign labor used). Of course, what&#039;s not being accounted for is that that doesn&#039;t increase the cost of scarce materials in those goods and services, and you do still need some domestic labor, so you do get a net gain (even if it is a tiny one).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The argument is actually that if you increase minimum wage, you increase the cost of labor necessary for goods and services that the minimum wage buys (or increase the amount of foreign labor used). Of course, what&#8217;s not being accounted for is that that doesn&#8217;t increase the cost of scarce materials in those goods and services, and you do still need some domestic labor, so you do get a net gain (even if it is a tiny one).</p>
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		<title>By: hardlystrictlybluestocking</title>
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		<dc:creator>hardlystrictlybluestocking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 16:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Yours is a distressing story. I agree with you about the appalling poverty in Roseburg: the casino outside town was the most bustling business I saw there.

Using tax holidays is pretty common among corporations, as is promising jobs and then bringing in the majority of the professional-level workforce from outside the community. Both are fundamental to the budget crisis in communities and states around the country. The company pays no taxes. Outside employees keep their ties to their home communities rather than settle, buy houses and invest, depriving the local coffers of property taxes. The unemployed in town are still unemployed, paying no taxes and requiring services. The local competitors are driven out of business or forced to match prices and wages.

After a few years there is a great sucking sound and the town is left with a crumbling eyesore and nowhere to buy groceries. The few businesses that gained from the traffic - local restaurants frequented by call center employees, for instance, or owners of residential properties rented by them  - have to either go out of business or adapt to a community with little income beyond aid like food stamps and Section 8 that comes from outside.

If it were a former European colony in Africa being manipulated by Chinese companies we would recognize it as exploitation; instead we elevate it to the ideal American business model when we do it to ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Yours is a distressing story. I agree with you about the appalling poverty in Roseburg: the casino outside town was the most bustling business I saw there.</p>
<p>Using tax holidays is pretty common among corporations, as is promising jobs and then bringing in the majority of the professional-level workforce from outside the community. Both are fundamental to the budget crisis in communities and states around the country. The company pays no taxes. Outside employees keep their ties to their home communities rather than settle, buy houses and invest, depriving the local coffers of property taxes. The unemployed in town are still unemployed, paying no taxes and requiring services. The local competitors are driven out of business or forced to match prices and wages.</p>
<p>After a few years there is a great sucking sound and the town is left with a crumbling eyesore and nowhere to buy groceries. The few businesses that gained from the traffic &#8211; local restaurants frequented by call center employees, for instance, or owners of residential properties rented by them  &#8211; have to either go out of business or adapt to a community with little income beyond aid like food stamps and Section 8 that comes from outside.</p>
<p>If it were a former European colony in Africa being manipulated by Chinese companies we would recognize it as exploitation; instead we elevate it to the ideal American business model when we do it to ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: hardlystrictlybluestocking</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/23/how-walmart-uses-medicaid-and.html#comment-1591049</link>
		<dc:creator>hardlystrictlybluestocking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 16:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing missing from your squib is the context of grocery chain consolidation and labor relations. In the past few years, chains like Safeway and Kroger have demanded two-tier contracts which have made new hires more equivalent to Walmart employees. It was only because the UFCW workers went on strike that they could retain any benefits at all.

And yes, outsiders from other unions, social service organizations, religious groups and the community supported them. Not quite as nice as being backed by expensive lawyers, lobbyists and pet journalists (and obviously not as effective), but at least they brought coffee to the picket line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing missing from your squib is the context of grocery chain consolidation and labor relations. In the past few years, chains like Safeway and Kroger have demanded two-tier contracts which have made new hires more equivalent to Walmart employees. It was only because the UFCW workers went on strike that they could retain any benefits at all.</p>
<p>And yes, outsiders from other unions, social service organizations, religious groups and the community supported them. Not quite as nice as being backed by expensive lawyers, lobbyists and pet journalists (and obviously not as effective), but at least they brought coffee to the picket line.</p>
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		<title>By: hardlystrictlybluestocking</title>
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		<dc:creator>hardlystrictlybluestocking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 16:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> What is wrong with an organizing effort that includes unions, church and community members? I&#039;m sure victims of Sandy and Katrina are thankful for the help given by strangers who saw their need and acted to help them personally, rather than calling everyone but FEMA an interloper only looking after their own interests. This disaster affects a lot more people in every state in the country than either hurricane, and will continue to do so until they are stopped.

Or are you arguing that only corporate and government are legitimate actors, and that citizens trying to influence their policy is wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> What is wrong with an organizing effort that includes unions, church and community members? I&#8217;m sure victims of Sandy and Katrina are thankful for the help given by strangers who saw their need and acted to help them personally, rather than calling everyone but FEMA an interloper only looking after their own interests. This disaster affects a lot more people in every state in the country than either hurricane, and will continue to do so until they are stopped.</p>
<p>Or are you arguing that only corporate and government are legitimate actors, and that citizens trying to influence their policy is wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: doggo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/23/how-walmart-uses-medicaid-and.html#comment-1591033</link>
		<dc:creator>doggo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, Paul. It&#039;s inexcusable that Walmart hasn&#039;t been taken to task for these tactics. Federal &amp; state labor laws should be reformed to address these issues. And we should oppose the building and/or opening of Walmart stores in our communities.

Unfortunately they pull this crap in places where people are desperate for jobs. It&#039;s sickening. It gives false hope to those desperate families, because no one will every get out of poverty working at a Walmart. Probably not even the store managers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Paul. It&#8217;s inexcusable that Walmart hasn&#8217;t been taken to task for these tactics. Federal &amp; state labor laws should be reformed to address these issues. And we should oppose the building and/or opening of Walmart stores in our communities.</p>
<p>Unfortunately they pull this crap in places where people are desperate for jobs. It&#8217;s sickening. It gives false hope to those desperate families, because no one will every get out of poverty working at a Walmart. Probably not even the store managers.</p>
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		<title>By: Itsumishi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/23/how-walmart-uses-medicaid-and.html#comment-1591003</link>
		<dc:creator>Itsumishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 06:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see corporate laws the world over that make any employee and automatic shareholder in a company. Every time a public listed company releases its profit statements a certain percentage of those profits would need to be distributed amongst employees. Preferably this sharing would be done based on hours worked, but not wages. It&#039;d be like a profit tax on the company, that is paid directly back to the people that work within the company.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see corporate laws the world over that make any employee and automatic shareholder in a company. Every time a public listed company releases its profit statements a certain percentage of those profits would need to be distributed amongst employees. Preferably this sharing would be done based on hours worked, but not wages. It&#8217;d be like a profit tax on the company, that is paid directly back to the people that work within the company.</p>
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		<title>By: Itsumishi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/23/how-walmart-uses-medicaid-and.html#comment-1591000</link>
		<dc:creator>Itsumishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 06:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you&#039;ve said is true to an extent, but only to an extent. Australia&#039;s minimum wage is $15.96 an hour in a dollar that is worth slightly more than the US dollar (but only since the GFC). Cost of living in most of Australia is higher than that of the US, but the cost of living certainly isn&#039;t double, whilst our minimum wage pretty much is double the US minimum.

In fact, the biggest pressure on Australia&#039;s cost of living hasn&#039;t been as a result of increasing minimum wages, but rather a two speed economy where the mining industry is creating a huge growth in wage for Western Australia, whilst the rest of the country is unable to keep up with that level of growth, i.e. income equality is slipping. 

The rich getting richer, the poor get the picture, the bombs will never hit ya when you&#039;re down so low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you&#8217;ve said is true to an extent, but only to an extent. Australia&#8217;s minimum wage is $15.96 an hour in a dollar that is worth slightly more than the US dollar (but only since the GFC). Cost of living in most of Australia is higher than that of the US, but the cost of living certainly isn&#8217;t double, whilst our minimum wage pretty much is double the US minimum.</p>
<p>In fact, the biggest pressure on Australia&#8217;s cost of living hasn&#8217;t been as a result of increasing minimum wages, but rather a two speed economy where the mining industry is creating a huge growth in wage for Western Australia, whilst the rest of the country is unable to keep up with that level of growth, i.e. income equality is slipping. </p>
<p>The rich getting richer, the poor get the picture, the bombs will never hit ya when you&#8217;re down so low.</p>
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		<title>By: Dimitrios Papagiannis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dimitrios Papagiannis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 03:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if the law was that it is illegal for any company to subsidize health care for their employees?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if the law was that it is illegal for any company to subsidize health care for their employees?</p>
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		<title>By: hardlystrictlybluestocking</title>
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		<dc:creator>hardlystrictlybluestocking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Walmart uses Taft-Hartley and goes beyond. If they had been satisfied with it, they would not have spent millions each year to weaken work rules further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Walmart uses Taft-Hartley and goes beyond. If they had been satisfied with it, they would not have spent millions each year to weaken work rules further.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyfir Emmerich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cyfir Emmerich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I understood that part perfectly, but there are companies that are worth more that don&#039;t produce much jobs and outsource their production. Apple comes to mind. Every company is out for itself and would do what Wal-Mart does if they could. The only difference between a Wal-Mart and a Target is that the Wal-Mart is more successful. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I understood that part perfectly, but there are companies that are worth more that don&#8217;t produce much jobs and outsource their production. Apple comes to mind. Every company is out for itself and would do what Wal-Mart does if they could. The only difference between a Wal-Mart and a Target is that the Wal-Mart is more successful. </p>
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		<title>By: cdh1971</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdh1971</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is actually what Dell Computers does as well. They did this with successive call centers in the United States until they finally ramped up their offshore call centers and  closed the remaining ones in the U.S. 

As a newly hired Dell employee, an operations analyst, I was part of the team that opened the now closed call center in Roseburg, OR. I was from far away, and I was surprised about the visible signs of poverty in parts of the town that I had previously associated with Appalachia. 

Needless to say - the region was desperate for jobs and the officials gave Dell ridiculous concessions because Dell (Mr. Dell himself even via teleconference) assured them that they planned on having the call center there for at least ten or fifteen years. The told this to local, county, state and federal-level officials. 

However, we knew differently. The Roseburg and Twin Falls Idaho centers were slated by Dell to be open four years, five max, until the the centers in Panama and India were sufficiently ramped up. The HR person in the cube next to me gushed about how great the labour laws in Panama are because they can require pictures with resumes, quiz applicants on marital status or plans to get pregnant, fire people instead of granting various types of leave and similar things. 

Anyway, I left the company after about a year and was glad I did. The Twin Falls and Roseburg centers shut down after about five years -- all according to Dell&#039;s initial plan. 

(being in the same room with Mr. Dell was a trip. The contempt he had for his employees like a toxic fog of ammonia fumes, and he had a personality cult formed around him, enforced by the giving of beads and baubles, and the Fear of Dell Security)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is actually what Dell Computers does as well. They did this with successive call centers in the United States until they finally ramped up their offshore call centers and  closed the remaining ones in the U.S. </p>
<p>As a newly hired Dell employee, an operations analyst, I was part of the team that opened the now closed call center in Roseburg, OR. I was from far away, and I was surprised about the visible signs of poverty in parts of the town that I had previously associated with Appalachia. </p>
<p>Needless to say &#8211; the region was desperate for jobs and the officials gave Dell ridiculous concessions because Dell (Mr. Dell himself even via teleconference) assured them that they planned on having the call center there for at least ten or fifteen years. The told this to local, county, state and federal-level officials. </p>
<p>However, we knew differently. The Roseburg and Twin Falls Idaho centers were slated by Dell to be open four years, five max, until the the centers in Panama and India were sufficiently ramped up. The HR person in the cube next to me gushed about how great the labour laws in Panama are because they can require pictures with resumes, quiz applicants on marital status or plans to get pregnant, fire people instead of granting various types of leave and similar things. </p>
<p>Anyway, I left the company after about a year and was glad I did. The Twin Falls and Roseburg centers shut down after about five years &#8212; all according to Dell&#8217;s initial plan. </p>
<p>(being in the same room with Mr. Dell was a trip. The contempt he had for his employees like a toxic fog of ammonia fumes, and he had a personality cult formed around him, enforced by the giving of beads and baubles, and the Fear of Dell Security)</p>
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		<title>By: hardlystrictlybluestocking</title>
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		<dc:creator>hardlystrictlybluestocking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 23:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Very true. They also demand tax holidays from local, state and federal governments on the premise of bringing jobs and commercial traffic. They still collect sales and payroll taxes, they just keep them for themselves. When the agreed holiday term is up, they close that store and open a new one in the next town - which has made even more concessions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Very true. They also demand tax holidays from local, state and federal governments on the premise of bringing jobs and commercial traffic. They still collect sales and payroll taxes, they just keep them for themselves. When the agreed holiday term is up, they close that store and open a new one in the next town &#8211; which has made even more concessions.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 22:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But not every crap-pay retailer has engaged in a financial war to drive every other retailer out of business.  What part of, &quot;The combined worth of the 6 Walmart heirs and heiresses is greater than that of the bottom 41% of American families (48.8 million households).&quot; isn&#039;t clear?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But not every crap-pay retailer has engaged in a financial war to drive every other retailer out of business.  What part of, &#8220;The combined worth of the 6 Walmart heirs and heiresses is greater than that of the bottom 41% of American families (48.8 million households).&#8221; isn&#8217;t clear?</p>
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		<title>By: eccles11</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/23/how-walmart-uses-medicaid-and.html#comment-1590929</link>
		<dc:creator>eccles11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, you can&#039;t do simple comparisons based on absolute wage in USD. The cost of living is likely to be significantly higher in the USA. Imagine going to Germany and trying to live on 1500 a month, you are going to have a hard time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, you can&#8217;t do simple comparisons based on absolute wage in USD. The cost of living is likely to be significantly higher in the USA. Imagine going to Germany and trying to live on 1500 a month, you are going to have a hard time.</p>
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		<title>By: eccles11</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/23/how-walmart-uses-medicaid-and.html#comment-1590925</link>
		<dc:creator>eccles11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fun fact, Walmart partners together with state and local governments to abuse &#039;eminent domain&#039; laws to push small business of land and take it for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fun fact, Walmart partners together with state and local governments to abuse &#8216;eminent domain&#8217; laws to push small business of land and take it for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyfir Emmerich</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/23/how-walmart-uses-medicaid-and.html#comment-1590915</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyfir Emmerich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was paid $8 per hour at Giant Eagle and $8 per hour working for the city. Low paying jobs are everywhere. What is the percentage of other low paying jobs compared to Wal-Mart? Should every retailer raise their employee wages? What about those effect most by the economy and the Internet age? I made $7.50 per hour at Sears because most of their profits come from site-to-store pick-ups and in-store employees are less important in their business model. I have also not found a full-time job in 5 years. Not many employers see value in having to provide benefits for their employees anymore. This is a bigger problem than Wal-Mart ever will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was paid $8 per hour at Giant Eagle and $8 per hour working for the city. Low paying jobs are everywhere. What is the percentage of other low paying jobs compared to Wal-Mart? Should every retailer raise their employee wages? What about those effect most by the economy and the Internet age? I made $7.50 per hour at Sears because most of their profits come from site-to-store pick-ups and in-store employees are less important in their business model. I have also not found a full-time job in 5 years. Not many employers see value in having to provide benefits for their employees anymore. This is a bigger problem than Wal-Mart ever will be.</p>
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		<title>By: ocschwar</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/23/how-walmart-uses-medicaid-and.html#comment-1590850</link>
		<dc:creator>ocschwar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walmart does not assign 40 hours a week. They make you work 30, but stay on call for more work on short notice effectively for 80 hours a week. Keep that in mind when you look at the hourly wage</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walmart does not assign 40 hours a week. They make you work 30, but stay on call for more work on short notice effectively for 80 hours a week. Keep that in mind when you look at the hourly wage</p>
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		<title>By: Walter F. Wouk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter F. Wouk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s easy.  They simply don&#039;t give shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s easy.  They simply don&#8217;t give shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Griffith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew Griffith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slave wages, now US $8.81. </description>
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		<title>By: Jay Griffiths</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/23/how-walmart-uses-medicaid-and.html#comment-1590725</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Griffiths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, your observation is is an excellent opportunity to point out that this is pretty much how the whole retail industry functions. Target has an undeserved good reputation for being the non-Walmart. The fact that they hired me and only paid $8.00 an hour despite 10 years of retail experience, including managerial experience in that industry, pretty much demonstrates this.
 Even worse than Wal-Mart or Target, Home Depot wanted to hire me to collect carts for a few hours a week at a location 20 miles away, even though I applied for a position at their location that&#039;s 10 minutes walking distance from my house. They were willing to pay me a whole $7.65 an hour, despite 15 years of construction experience subsequent to the 10 years of retail experience. I felt like a bum for not even showing up for the interview, but I couldn&#039;t justify a job that cost me more in gas than I would&#039;ve actually made working. How ridiculous to think in this day and age, one would lose money by going to work and being productive. I left retail in 1996, and was being paid $8.32 an hour. I didn&#039;t think it was unreasonable to think I was worth  $9-$10 an hour at either place with my experience. I operated on the naive belief that as time passed and an industry grew, there was some modest growth in wages to accompany it. Boy, I sure was wrong. I feel something trickling down on my head, and I&#039;m pretty sure it isn&#039;t the excess wealth of industry&#039;s coddled captains working its way into my pockets, even if it has a gold tint. Needless to say, I worked at Target for 3.5 months when I was called for a large scale construction project. I made more money in one week doing that, than my entire stint at Target. So, Wal-Mart isn&#039;t the only outfit doing this, however, they may be responsible for setting the tone that now permeates the whole industry. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, your observation is is an excellent opportunity to point out that this is pretty much how the whole retail industry functions. Target has an undeserved good reputation for being the non-Walmart. The fact that they hired me and only paid $8.00 an hour despite 10 years of retail experience, including managerial experience in that industry, pretty much demonstrates this.<br />
 Even worse than Wal-Mart or Target, Home Depot wanted to hire me to collect carts for a few hours a week at a location 20 miles away, even though I applied for a position at their location that&#8217;s 10 minutes walking distance from my house. They were willing to pay me a whole $7.65 an hour, despite 15 years of construction experience subsequent to the 10 years of retail experience. I felt like a bum for not even showing up for the interview, but I couldn&#8217;t justify a job that cost me more in gas than I would&#8217;ve actually made working. How ridiculous to think in this day and age, one would lose money by going to work and being productive. I left retail in 1996, and was being paid $8.32 an hour. I didn&#8217;t think it was unreasonable to think I was worth  $9-$10 an hour at either place with my experience. I operated on the naive belief that as time passed and an industry grew, there was some modest growth in wages to accompany it. Boy, I sure was wrong. I feel something trickling down on my head, and I&#8217;m pretty sure it isn&#8217;t the excess wealth of industry&#8217;s coddled captains working its way into my pockets, even if it has a gold tint. Needless to say, I worked at Target for 3.5 months when I was called for a large scale construction project. I made more money in one week doing that, than my entire stint at Target. So, Wal-Mart isn&#8217;t the only outfit doing this, however, they may be responsible for setting the tone that now permeates the whole industry. </p>
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		<title>By: millie fink</title>
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		<dc:creator>millie fink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 13:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you never heard of &quot;corporate welfare&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you never heard of &#8220;corporate welfare&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: millie fink</title>
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		<dc:creator>millie fink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 13:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like you&#039;ve been Nickel and Dimed.

http://www.amazon.com/Nickel-Dimed-Not-Getting-America/dp/0312626681/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1353765207&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=nickeled+and+dimed

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like you&#8217;ve been Nickel and Dimed.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Nickel-Dimed-Not-Getting-America/dp/0312626681/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1353765207&#038;sr=1-1&#038;keywords=nickeled+and+dimed" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Nickel-Dimed-Not-Getting-America/dp/0312626681/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1353765207&#038;sr=1-1&#038;keywords=nickeled+and+dimed</a></p>
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		<title>By: L_Mariachi</title>
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		<dc:creator>L_Mariachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me the problem lies with the laws mandating benefits only after a certain number of hours worked per week. The promise of automation and robots and computers was that they were supposed to relieve humans of some amount of drudgery, not that half the people get laid off and the other half have to keep working just as hard as ever. Personally, I’d prefer everyone having a 25 hour workweek versus the “too much or nothing at all” thing we seem to have going now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me the problem lies with the laws mandating benefits only after a certain number of hours worked per week. The promise of automation and robots and computers was that they were supposed to relieve humans of some amount of drudgery, not that half the people get laid off and the other half have to keep working just as hard as ever. Personally, I’d prefer everyone having a 25 hour workweek versus the “too much or nothing at all” thing we seem to have going now.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip Johnston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip Johnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> nothing like blowing somebody&#039;s argument out so badly they come back and delete it. well played, madam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> nothing like blowing somebody&#8217;s argument out so badly they come back and delete it. well played, madam</p>
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		<title>By: hardlystrictlybluestocking</title>
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		<dc:creator>hardlystrictlybluestocking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 09:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> The middle classes are terrified of falling through the nonexistent safety net because the examples of miserable poverty are all around. We do still have some social mobility, it is just overwhelmingly downward.

The biggest subsidy to the &quot;job creators&quot; is the immense drag on middle-class incomes provided by a huge pool of reserve unemployment and chronic poverty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> The middle classes are terrified of falling through the nonexistent safety net because the examples of miserable poverty are all around. We do still have some social mobility, it is just overwhelmingly downward.</p>
<p>The biggest subsidy to the &#8220;job creators&#8221; is the immense drag on middle-class incomes provided by a huge pool of reserve unemployment and chronic poverty.</p>
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