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	<title>Comments on: NASA downplays still-unannounced findings from&#160;Mars</title>
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		<title>By: allium</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1592424</link>
		<dc:creator>allium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 16:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I think you mean 1:4:9:16:25:36. The Forerunners didn&#039;t do things halfway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I think you mean 1:4:9:16:25:36. The Forerunners didn&#8217;t do things halfway.</p>
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		<title>By: feetleet</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1592109</link>
		<dc:creator>feetleet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 03:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A paucity of moms?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A paucity of moms?</p>
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		<title>By: Clevername</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1592074</link>
		<dc:creator>Clevername</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 03:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a funny looking rock! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a funny looking rock! </p>
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		<title>By: mmmmaaaaa</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591993</link>
		<dc:creator>mmmmaaaaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 01:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found the a video of their discovery:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRj-ipG-B9o&amp;feature=player_detailpage#t=135s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the a video of their discovery:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRj-ipG-B9o&#038;feature=player_detailpage#t=135s" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRj-ipG-B9o&#038;feature=player_detailpage#t=135s</a></p>
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		<title>By: jansob</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591923</link>
		<dc:creator>jansob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 00:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;ll be something like simple organics or more evidence of flowing water a million years ago...no one will be surprised, and the average person will think &quot;NASA is wasting money and hyping nothingburger results&quot;...just what NASA needs. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;ll be something like simple organics or more evidence of flowing water a million years ago&#8230;no one will be surprised, and the average person will think &#8220;NASA is wasting money and hyping nothingburger results&#8221;&#8230;just what NASA needs. </p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591921</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 00:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m hoping for Paul Mantee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m hoping for Paul Mantee.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Brown</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591902</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angry red women?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angry red women?</p>
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		<title>By: John Verne</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591889</link>
		<dc:creator>John Verne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shouldn&#039;t that be &quot;marshaking&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shouldn&#8217;t that be &#8220;marshaking&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: leonard1a</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591886</link>
		<dc:creator>leonard1a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They found a stone tag which states &#039;Made In China&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They found a stone tag which states &#8216;Made In China&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: lecti</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591884</link>
		<dc:creator>lecti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NASA needs to learn the art of underselling and over-delivering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NASA needs to learn the art of underselling and over-delivering.</p>
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		<title>By: benher</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591854</link>
		<dc:creator>benher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Underwater city that cures cancer??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Underwater city that cures cancer??</p>
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		<title>By: fergus1948</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591852</link>
		<dc:creator>fergus1948</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Starbucks? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Starbucks? </p>
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		<title>By: leidentech</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591787</link>
		<dc:creator>leidentech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s mud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s mud.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Bueche</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591773</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Bueche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A shoeprint. Originally thought to be exciting, but, it&#039;s a common size.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A shoeprint. Originally thought to be exciting, but, it&#8217;s a common size.</p>
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		<title>By: Lupus_Yonderboy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591733</link>
		<dc:creator>Lupus_Yonderboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously.  Otherwise, how would you explain Velcro?  Huh?  Huh?!?  Yeah, I thought so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously.  Otherwise, how would you explain Velcro?  Huh?  Huh?!?  Yeah, I thought so.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Mar</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591730</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Mar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Perhaps it was put out that way, just to insure that people remember that NASA is still doing serious work that deserves funding, being that discussions about the US federal budget are starting to swing around.   As a scientifically-minded person, I don&#039;t mind the delay as they verify the results.  But as a government employee, I get the feeling that they want to make sure they&#039;re in the running for federal dollars when people are yammering and jawing about cutting agency budgets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Perhaps it was put out that way, just to insure that people remember that NASA is still doing serious work that deserves funding, being that discussions about the US federal budget are starting to swing around.   As a scientifically-minded person, I don&#8217;t mind the delay as they verify the results.  But as a government employee, I get the feeling that they want to make sure they&#8217;re in the running for federal dollars when people are yammering and jawing about cutting agency budgets.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Saul</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591726</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Saul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me too.  Absent intercepting gossip from the countless who already know what&#039;s up, perhaps the venue for the announcement is a clue where it lies on the scale of amazement... and whether there&#039;s a simultaneous publication.

Nobel-worthy scientific announcements could certainly be first disclosed at the AGU, but something with the impact of a fundamental existential revelation we might be hoping for, it would probably be made at a NASA site, if not in D.C.

It could still be something pretty astounding given the precise language of what we&#039;re interpreting as downplaying... many of the references used would be interpreted differently by those who know details of prior missions than by a general audience.

When they say &quot;nothing that Viking didn&#039;t discover&quot;, remember that the results from the Viking experiments are still quite controversial:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/04/120413-nasa-viking-program-mars-life-space-science/

It could still be &quot;earthshaking&quot;... people seem to be bringing up Gilbert Levin&#039;s name in interviews. Levin has always maintained that his Labeled Release experiment on Viking 1 was successful in detecting &lt;i&gt;living&lt;/i&gt; microbes.

Chris McKay, one of those close to the project who are being quoted as saying &quot;nothing Viking didn&#039;t already discover&quot; has published his own analysis of the Viking results:
&quot;Reanalysis of the Viking results suggests perchlorate and organics at midlatitudes on Mars&quot;

http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2010/2010JE003599.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too.  Absent intercepting gossip from the countless who already know what&#8217;s up, perhaps the venue for the announcement is a clue where it lies on the scale of amazement&#8230; and whether there&#8217;s a simultaneous publication.</p>
<p>Nobel-worthy scientific announcements could certainly be first disclosed at the AGU, but something with the impact of a fundamental existential revelation we might be hoping for, it would probably be made at a NASA site, if not in D.C.</p>
<p>It could still be something pretty astounding given the precise language of what we&#8217;re interpreting as downplaying&#8230; many of the references used would be interpreted differently by those who know details of prior missions than by a general audience.</p>
<p>When they say &#8220;nothing that Viking didn&#8217;t discover&#8221;, remember that the results from the Viking experiments are still quite controversial:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/04/120413-nasa-viking-program-mars-life-space-science/" rel="nofollow">http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/04/120413-nasa-viking-program-mars-life-space-science/</a></p>
<p>It could still be &#8220;earthshaking&#8221;&#8230; people seem to be bringing up Gilbert Levin&#8217;s name in interviews. Levin has always maintained that his Labeled Release experiment on Viking 1 was successful in detecting <i>living</i> microbes.</p>
<p>Chris McKay, one of those close to the project who are being quoted as saying &#8220;nothing Viking didn&#8217;t already discover&#8221; has published his own analysis of the Viking results:<br />
&#8220;Reanalysis of the Viking results suggests perchlorate and organics at midlatitudes on Mars&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2010/2010JE003599.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2010/2010JE003599.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Finnagain</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591724</link>
		<dc:creator>Finnagain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> We&#039;ve been on Mars since the 50&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> We&#8217;ve been on Mars since the 50&#8242;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Singleton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591722</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Singleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did they find where Dr. Manhatten went?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did they find where Dr. Manhatten went?</p>
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		<title>By: Lupus_Yonderboy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591720</link>
		<dc:creator>Lupus_Yonderboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the cover up begins...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the cover up begins&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591714</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yet still needs women. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet still needs women. </p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Singleton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591713</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Singleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would honestly be mind blowing/earth shattering. Water, not at the martian poles. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would honestly be mind blowing/earth shattering. Water, not at the martian poles. </p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Singleton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591711</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Singleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t really blame them now can we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t really blame them now can we?</p>
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		<title>By: hypnosifl</title>
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		<dc:creator>hypnosifl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, the article suggests that the &quot;Earthshaking&quot; comment was a spontaneous one Grotzninger made when he was getting his first look at the data and happened to be with a reporter at the time:

&quot;Nevertheless, the most current cause of excitement began when Curiosity mission lead scientist John Grotzninger began receiving data on his computer from the rover&#039;s on-board chemistry lab, called SAM, while he was with a reporter from National Public Radio.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, the article suggests that the &#8220;Earthshaking&#8221; comment was a spontaneous one Grotzninger made when he was getting his first look at the data and happened to be with a reporter at the time:</p>
<p>&#8220;Nevertheless, the most current cause of excitement began when Curiosity mission lead scientist John Grotzninger began receiving data on his computer from the rover&#8217;s on-board chemistry lab, called SAM, while he was with a reporter from National Public Radio.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Saul</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591705</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Saul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps it&#039;s a Horcrux.

Where was Cheney when Viking 1 was launched?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s a Horcrux.</p>
<p>Where was Cheney when Viking 1 was launched?</p>
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		<title>By: mccrum</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591704</link>
		<dc:creator>mccrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They found Don Cheadle! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They found Don Cheadle! </p>
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		<title>By: David Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591703</link>
		<dc:creator>David Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is water. Mars has more water than Earth. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is water. Mars has more water than Earth. </p>
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		<title>By: bill_mcgonigle</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591687</link>
		<dc:creator>bill_mcgonigle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> They&#039;re playing the &quot;hype game&quot; because it&#039;s so darn easy (that is, so many people play along) and it gets them attention.  The responsible response to the pre-announcement was &quot;wake me up when you have something to say.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> They&#8217;re playing the &#8220;hype game&#8221; because it&#8217;s so darn easy (that is, so many people play along) and it gets them attention.  The responsible response to the pre-announcement was &#8220;wake me up when you have something to say.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ramone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No wonder they&#039;re keeping her to themselves!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No wonder they&#8217;re keeping her to themselves!</p>
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		<title>By: Finnagain</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/nasa-downplays-still-unannounc.html#comment-1591689</link>
		<dc:creator>Finnagain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this news about Mars, or Real Mars? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this news about Mars, or Real Mars? </p>
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