But at least Democrats draw the line when it comes to women/gay/minority rights. And they aren’t deluded by a religion commanding them to be ignorant (eg, evolution, creationism, etc.) And they don’t equate greed with righteousness.  And when they have the purse strings, they don’t break the budget, then blame the other side.

So, yes, Democrats are annoying vis a vis the War on Drugs, but they are not lethal to our nation, as the Republicans currently are.

And the greatest fraud is when Republicans con voters who earn less than, say, $200K to vote GOP purely on religion and “values,” while they raid the Treasury on behalf of themselves and voters who earn more than $200K.

Each point of fact can be debated endlessly through the perspective of each political philosophy.

You clearly don’t know the meaning of ‘fact’. The Democrats may do all sorts of nasty things, but the Republicans have cornered the market on lying.

“We” are not a coherent body that can usher in anything.

@boingboing-f35fd567065af297ae65b621e0a21ae9:disqus , what are you talking about?  ”We” as a coherent body voted to keep Romney OUT of the White House.

The only choice available is no longer voting for R’s or D’s. The system is set up to protect “the blame game.”

Um, you’re not being coherent there, ironically.  And, you’re not really addressing my points.  At this point, let’s just agree to disagree.

Each point of fact can be debated endlessly through the perspective of each political philosophy.

So are you saying that there are no perspectives from which the problem could be addressed?  That the only perspectives possible are “liberal democrat” and “conservative republican”?  What a small, sad world you must inhabit.

FACT:   That is a war crime.

By your very own argument, there is no fact of the matter about what constitutes a war crime — it is merely a matter of competing perspectives.  You see the problem with this argument yet?

Fact:  Democrats don’t give a shit about this.   FACT:  If Bush were doing the exact same thing there would be riots in the streets calling for his impeachment on war crimes.

1. Many Democrats do give a shit about that very issue; perhaps they don’t think Republicans would be any better on this particular issue.  History would indicate they’re probably right.  2. Bush, in fact, started the illegal CIA drone war in Pakistan and there were not riots in the streets.  Nor were there riots in the streets when Bush started the Iraq war on the basis of false intelligence reports.  So not only is that one not a “FACT”, it is contradicted by actual true facts about the world.

You’re right that if we start from a partisan point of view we’ll excuse bad behavior from “our team” and be less-than-forgiving of bad behavior on the “other team”.  I’m arguing that we have other options — that we don’t have to start from a partisan point of view when we do things like try to assess which party is more “full of it”.  If you want to convince me the Republicans are “just as bad” as the Democrats I’m happy to listen to you with open ears and open mind — I’m no fan of the democrats or republicans and I don’t really give a shit who ends up winning in that comparison.  But simply concluding they’re equally bad with absolutely no research or analysis — just assuming it — is a lazy, stupid, backwards way to approach the problem.

In other words, if you want to say that each is “just as bad” as the other, make a real fucking argument to that effect, not a bunch of hand-waving “oh we can’t really know and it’s all just a matter of point of view whatevs d00d” bullshit.

Each point of fact can be debated endlessly through the perspective of each political philosophy.   I’ve watched and participated as D’s and R’s endlessly hurled facts at each other.  And I watched as each side refused to believe or choose to ignore the other side’s facts.  

Are you actually talking about a scientific determination of which party is more honest?   Good luck with that!

FACT:  The Obama administration has begun using the tactic of the “double tap.”   (What a cute name!)   That is the practice of doing a second drone strike against the mourners and rescuers at the site of the first drone attack.   FACT:   That is a war crime.    Fact:  Democrats don’t give a shit about this.   FACT:  If Bush were doing the exact same thing there would be riots in the streets calling for his impeachment on war crimes.

See how fun this is???

I don’t care about whose “point of view” says what.  I want to know, factually, whether one party is more dishonest than the other.  How do we determine that?  We certainly can’t do that by sitting around equivocating about “points of view”.

Voting records; Look at them.

Seriously though, is anyone shocked by this?   You may not agree with a Republican philosophy but trust me, from their point of view (ever tried to see it?) Democrats are full of just as many contradictions and are just as “full of it.”

That said, given the range of possible states of honesty from 100% completely honest to everything-they-say-is-a-lie it would be an extremely curious coincidence if both parties were actually equally dishonest.  I think it’s quite possible to compare what politicians say against reality and come to some decision about whether one party is more honest than the other and by how much.

I think this “oh, they’re just as bad as each other” is intellectually lazy and dishonest.  I’m absolutely willing to listen to arguments that D’s are “just as bad” or even worse, but you need to actually make that case.  I’m so fucking sick of people just asserting it and assuming that laziness and apathy can substitute for research and analysis when it comes to party politics.  That attitude just reinforces the thought-limiting dichotomies I mentioned in my first para.  You may think you’re striking some kind of enlightened golden mean but in all reality this laziness is exactly the problem.

Seriously, you people need to study economics before opining on which party is best equipped to lead.

So say millions of (conservative) idiots who don’t actually know the first thing about economics.

Here we see that partisan tripe and ridiculous fear mongering are to be found on both sides of the isle.
Somehow, I suspect that both parties are completely corrupt and the partisan view is colored by heavy confirmation bias. 
The cultish partisans on both sides exhibit very specific blind spots when it comes to the wrongs committed by their party. This Time piece is an excellent example.

For cripes sake, cant even he let the story stand as it is?

Let’s start with the military.

@albill:disqus  , Amen brudder.

Seriously, you people need to study economics before opining on which party is best equipped to lead

Romney? Is that you?

Being perceived as soft on drugs can be just about as damaging to a candidate as soft on defense.

Then why aren’t candidates going after one of the most dangerous drugs of all… alcohol? Aren’t they drug softies?