Comments on: Kickstarting a movie that realistically portrays hackers http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Sat, 25 May 2013 20:40:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Jonathan Schiefer http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1600225 Jonathan Schiefer Thu, 06 Dec 2012 18:24:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1600225 Let me know when BSides is in LA. I'd love to check it out! Let me know when BSides is in LA. I’d love to check it out!

]]> By: Chris http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599952 Chris Thu, 06 Dec 2012 12:03:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599952 Sort of reminds me of Insecurity, and indie hacker film from 2007. Which is free on the internet:  http://www.insecuritymovie.com/ Sort of reminds me of Insecurity, and indie hacker film from 2007. Which is free on the internet:  http://www.insecuritymovie.com/

]]> By: Oliver Lardner http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599945 Oliver Lardner Thu, 06 Dec 2012 11:42:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599945 This is going to be the most boring movie ever... This is going to be the most boring movie ever…

]]> By: Repurposed http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599910 Repurposed Thu, 06 Dec 2012 09:34:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599910 I have seen The Wire. Where have I said realism is always boring? I've said hacking more than likely is. I have seen The Wire. Where have I said realism is always boring? I’ve said hacking more than likely is.

]]> By: Andrew Singleton http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599901 Andrew Singleton Thu, 06 Dec 2012 08:38:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599901 So would Real Scotscmen. So would Real Scotscmen.

]]> By: kmoser http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599847 kmoser Thu, 06 Dec 2012 05:06:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599847 <i>Real</i> hackers would make an underground movie on a $0 budget. Real hackers would make an underground movie on a $0 budget.

]]> By: Ladyfingers http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599813 Ladyfingers Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:56:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599813 It's been done. It’s been done.

]]> By: Andrew Singleton http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599810 Andrew Singleton Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:48:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599810 It's how most 'hackers' imagined they'd love to be like. It’s how most ‘hackers’ imagined they’d love to be like.

]]> By: Andrew Singleton http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599809 Andrew Singleton Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:47:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599809 Unfortunately it's copyright and Prodigy wasn't around yet. Unfortunately it’s copyright and Prodigy wasn’t around yet.

]]> By: Conrad Constantine http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599805 Conrad Constantine Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:43:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599805 already did (see comments further up). FWIW, I'm backing it, and fingers crossed we in the infosec community end up liking it. Rough around the edges but I think the core method has potential. My worry is that if you're pitching 'realism' then  attention to detail is king. already did (see comments further up). FWIW, I’m backing it, and fingers crossed we in the infosec community end up liking it. Rough around the edges but I think the core method has potential. My worry is that if you’re pitching ‘realism’ then  attention to detail is king.

]]> By: Jim Saul http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599803 Jim Saul Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:37:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599803 Or as many firemen have said, that a realistic movie about interior rescues would be impossible because the most intense action happens almost completely blinded and deafened by the inferno. Or as many firemen have said, that a realistic movie about interior rescues would be impossible because the most intense action happens almost completely blinded and deafened by the inferno.

]]> By: David Jordan http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599784 David Jordan Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:12:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599784  I interviewed Jonathan about this film, watched the interviews on the site, and read the first part of the script.  He does indeed know what he's talking about, in large part because he's been so willing do research, seek advice, and accept feedback from experts in computer security and hackerfolk in general. Perhaps the video above didn't catch your eye, but I highly recommend taking a look at the interviews and the first seven pages of screenplay in the updates section.  Those were what really convinced me this was worth a deeper look.  I interviewed Jonathan about this film, watched the interviews on the site, and read the first part of the script.  He does indeed know what he’s talking about, in large part because he’s been so willing do research, seek advice, and accept feedback from experts in computer security and hackerfolk in general.
Perhaps the video above didn’t catch your eye, but I highly recommend taking a look at the interviews and the first seven pages of screenplay in the updates section.  Those were what really convinced me this was worth a deeper look.

]]> By: Conrad Constantine http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599776 Conrad Constantine Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:03:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599776 I've said on many occasions to incredulous listeners that Hackers is an incredibly accurate documentary ....of how big our egos were back in the 90's. (of course, the generation of kids that has replaced us is no different now) I’ve said on many occasions to incredulous listeners that Hackers is an incredibly accurate documentary ….of how big our egos were back in the 90′s. (of course, the generation of kids that has replaced us is no different now)

]]> By: Conrad Constantine http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599775 Conrad Constantine Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:02:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599775 alright, not too terrible. I've got a few quibbles about some of your semantics here, but they're nit-picking. From the clip and these pages, I'm getting good feelings about the overall sense of pacing and presentation here (hey, I can be a infosec guy AND a film buff, right?). All in all, I'd say you've got a fine line to walk in not falling into "this stuff is magic" that other people do (either that it's supremely easy, or all-powerful - when believe me, it's very much in the middle, like most things are), but I think you've taken the right approach. Please have at least one person in rollerblades for us to laugh at however. Also, you're behind the time, you should have named it "The Advanced Persistent Threat", since that's where all the marketing money is at these days :) alright, not too terrible. I’ve got a few quibbles about some of your semantics here, but they’re nit-picking. From the clip and these pages, I’m getting good feelings about the overall sense of pacing and presentation here (hey, I can be a infosec guy AND a film buff, right?). All in all, I’d say you’ve got a fine line to walk in not falling into “this stuff is magic” that other people do (either that it’s supremely easy, or all-powerful – when believe me, it’s very much in the middle, like most things are), but I think you’ve taken the right approach.

Please have at least one person in rollerblades for us to laugh at however. Also, you’re behind the time, you should have named it “The Advanced Persistent Threat”, since that’s where all the marketing money is at these days :)

]]> By: Boundegar http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599771 Boundegar Thu, 06 Dec 2012 02:56:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599771 Awww man, I kinda liked it. Awww man, I kinda liked it.

]]> By: Michael Smith http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599763 Michael Smith Thu, 06 Dec 2012 02:42:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599763 <a href="http://packetstormsecurity.org/files/17440/script-kiddy-HOWTO.html" rel="nofollow">I found a script</a>. I found a script.

]]> By: Conrad Constantine http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599762 Conrad Constantine Thu, 06 Dec 2012 02:40:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599762 A system admin and a language creator don't strike me as 'security consultants'. I mean, I like these guys, but I can name 50 people off the top of my head who you'd be better off talking to. Since your intro vid spends so much time making broad claims about mobile device security, that's where I'd start.  Come and attend a BSides (www.securitybsides.org) and meet some of us. A system admin and a language creator don’t strike me as ‘security consultants’. I mean, I like these guys, but I can name 50 people off the top of my head who you’d be better off talking to. Since your intro vid spends so much time making broad claims about mobile device security, that’s where I’d start.  Come and attend a BSides (www.securitybsides.org) and meet some of us.

]]> By: Conrad Constantine http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599758 Conrad Constantine Thu, 06 Dec 2012 02:33:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599758 spending nearly 50% of the clip re-introducing us to The Cave seemed like a huge waste of time. We get it, you've seen The Matrix. Neither does pinging localhost in a green font scream "we know what we're talking about" spending nearly 50% of the clip re-introducing us to The Cave seemed like a huge waste of time. We get it, you’ve seen The Matrix. Neither does pinging localhost in a green font scream “we know what we’re talking about”

]]> By: Shay Guy http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599755 Shay Guy Thu, 06 Dec 2012 02:24:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599755 This sounds a lot like saying nobody would want to watch a "realistic" cop show, because it'd be boring. And if you <i>do</i> think that's true, you probably haven't seen The Wire. This sounds a lot like saying nobody would want to watch a “realistic” cop show, because it’d be boring. And if you do think that’s true, you probably haven’t seen The Wire.

]]> By: Repurposed http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599747 Repurposed Thu, 06 Dec 2012 02:11:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599747 Realistic? Who would watch a movie about 20 minutes on the phone to a customer service agent and then someone typing in a password? Realistic? Who would watch a movie about 20 minutes on the phone to a customer service agent and then someone typing in a password?

]]> By: WaferMouse http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599739 WaferMouse Thu, 06 Dec 2012 01:59:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599739 Yes! War Games is absolutely fantastic. I think the only thing that could improve it would be a cut with a soundtrack primarily consisting of The Prodigy and some montage sequences. Yes! War Games is absolutely fantastic. I think the only thing that could improve it would be a cut with a soundtrack primarily consisting of The Prodigy and some montage sequences.

]]> By: Jim Saul http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599707 Jim Saul Thu, 06 Dec 2012 01:08:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599707 Excellent. They look good... if those characters weave together in a tight narrative you'll have a great story. Drop a loaded gun on stage and a MacGuffin in a briefcase and you'll have a hit. Excellent. They look good… if those characters weave together in a tight narrative you’ll have a great story. Drop a loaded gun on stage and a MacGuffin in a briefcase and you’ll have a hit.

]]> By: Jim Saul http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599701 Jim Saul Thu, 06 Dec 2012 00:58:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599701 War Games and Wiz Kids... everyone knows real hackers use TRS-80s. War Games and Wiz Kids… everyone knows real hackers use TRS-80s.

]]> By: crockeronline http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599700 crockeronline Thu, 06 Dec 2012 00:57:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599700 Personally, I want to see a movie about the ScriptKiddies now. Personally, I want to see a movie about the ScriptKiddies now.

]]> By: Jonathan Schiefer http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599697 Jonathan Schiefer Thu, 06 Dec 2012 00:55:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599697 Charlie, I have several computer security consultants working with me. Here's a Google+ chat I did with one of them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eFnyhwsnzE Charlie,

I have several computer security consultants working with me. Here’s a Google+ chat I did with one of them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eFnyhwsnzE

]]> By: Jim Saul http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599692 Jim Saul Thu, 06 Dec 2012 00:50:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599692 Thanks - exactly what I was looking for. Good luck with it. Thanks – exactly what I was looking for.

Good luck with it.

]]> By: erin metcalf http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599687 erin metcalf Thu, 06 Dec 2012 00:46:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599687 Jim, if you click on "Updates" at the top of the kickstarter page of therootkit.com, you can read the first 7 pages of the script (Update #11).  You can also see an interview with Larry Wall (creator of Perl), character interviews, and other stuff. Jim, if you click on “Updates” at the top of the kickstarter page of therootkit.com, you can read the first 7 pages of the script (Update #11).  You can also see an interview with Larry Wall (creator of Perl), character interviews, and other stuff.

]]> By: Jonathan Schiefer http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599688 Jonathan Schiefer Thu, 06 Dec 2012 00:46:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599688 Jim, I posted the first 7 pages, for just such an occasion. They'll be online until the campaign ends, Friday 11:59p Pacific. Here's the link to the script pages: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/101402785/the-root-kit/posts/358821 Jim, I posted the first 7 pages, for just such an occasion. They’ll be online until the campaign ends, Friday 11:59p Pacific. Here’s the link to the script pages: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/101402785/the-root-kit/posts/358821

]]> By: Charlie McHenry http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599678 Charlie McHenry Thu, 06 Dec 2012 00:27:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599678 I'm struggling with why this particular director and script are right for this subject. Sure, he's got some video production chops, but where's the expertise coming from? He's not done that great a job of presenting a compelling case.  I’m struggling with why this particular director and script are right for this subject. Sure, he’s got some video production chops, but where’s the expertise coming from? He’s not done that great a job of presenting a compelling case. 

]]> By: Zhasu http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/kickstarting-a-movie-that-real.html#comment-1599661 Zhasu Thu, 06 Dec 2012 00:06:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=198546#comment-1599661  I agree with everything you wrote.  I agree with everything you wrote.

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