Comments on: Leaked: ITU's secret Internet surveillance standard discussion draft

By: Johnson

Johnson — Fri, 07 Dec 2012 22:06:00 +0000

There are plenty of innocuous reasons for using deep packet inspection. It’s not all about you.

By: Michael Smith

Michael Smith — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:46:00 +0000

But then the next application will be a deep packet inspection tool which just measures entropy and a filter which blocks the streams which it identifies.

By: James Penrose

James Penrose — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:18:00 +0000

The UN is plain lousy at protecting personal liberty over the “rights” of governments.

By: bill_mcgonigle

bill_mcgonigle — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 19:39:00 +0000

Anything that they can’t eavesdrop on. That is, blocking privacy at a nation-state level.

By: bill_mcgonigle

bill_mcgonigle — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 19:38:00 +0000

yes, that’s what all the ‘VoIP proprietary protocol’ bits are about – they want to be able to block all VoIP they can’t intercept. i2p, I guess.

By: Austin Williamson

Austin Williamson — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 19:02:00 +0000

Hands. Off. The. Internet.

http://ccmixter.org/content/AlexBeroza/AlexBeroza_-_Hands_Off_The_Internet.mp3

In all due seriousness, internet “filtering” needs to be banned under the Geneva Convention. It’s a breach of privacy and is akin to throwing nail strips on the road to slow down traffic – an attack on every user.

You can have my internet when you pry my cold, dead, hands off of the IXP.

That is all.

By: sgtdoom

sgtdoom — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 18:24:00 +0000

That’s AT&T and Vodafone speak for “we control and bill” I suspect.

By: sgtdoom

sgtdoom — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 18:23:00 +0000

Of course, I do like that software which monitors and warns of DPI taking place, then generates false data in response.

Uber cool….

By: sgtdoom

sgtdoom — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 18:21:00 +0000

Ain’t that the sad but sterling truth.

We know this has been going on for quite some time via private sector (and in the gov’t secret service sector), with Narus and their DPI tech prevalent in China, Northern Africa, the Middle Eastern countries, etc. (Narus is a subsidiary of Boeing). Then you have those variations, like Packet Forensics, etc.

This more or less simply makes it the official standard, is all.

Since Cory lives near the heart of the beast (City of London Corporation — and before any illiterates respond with the usual illiterate response of “conspiracy theory, conspiracy theory” read up on its history, as well as its S.I.L.O. agreement purchase of the royalty back in the 1700s) he should by this time understand what’s transpiring.

http://www.jetcityorange.com/surf-quietly/

By: Zak McKracken

Zak McKracken — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 18:17:00 +0000

From that same blog post:
“…a new ITU standard on Deep Packet Inspection (DPI) which will enable Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to manage network traffic more efficiently”

Waaaiiit: How exactly does reading my Internet traffic make the internet work more efficiently?”

My communications are none of your effing business, and I would think that not reading them will save you a lot of time. You know, I sometimes use a lot more words than I would need to. Really, spare yourself the trouble.

And save democracy in the process? How about that?

By: Viktor Goben

Viktor Goben — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 17:52:00 +0000

P2P VoIP Telephony with Propietary Application End-to-End Controls… Skype?

By: Gilbert Wham

Gilbert Wham — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:45:00 +0000

You might not be able to, but I have too many friends with books about chemtrails/HAARP/etc. on their shelves to believe it’s impossible (sigh).

By: IronEdithKidd

IronEdithKidd — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:24:00 +0000

Aw. Now I don’t get to be super snarky on you. :-( It’s no longer plutocracy. The naked money and power grabs are all on the table for everyone to see. It’s corpratocracy or oligarchic at this stage.

By: fuzzyfuzzyfungus

fuzzyfuzzyfungus — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:23:00 +0000

Is the “data deluge” similar to the “exaflood” that was going to destroy the internet back in 2007? Or Metcalf’s ”gigalapses” back in 1995?

Has there ever been a time when the looming demands for bandwidth are going to destroy the intertubes Real Soon Now unless bold measures(generally of the sort that ISPs like) are taken?

By: Mordicai

Mordicai — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:18:00 +0000

Oh man, pre-coffee brain took the wrong take away from your comment! Though “only sometimes” as a sort of “_____ is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried” comment. Weird how, by the way, the discussion has moved from “democracy” to “capitalism,” huh? I guess because we’ve shifted pretty clearly toward plutocracy, but if you say that out loud everyone acts like you are a fringe lunatic.

By: Mordicai

Mordicai — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:44:00 +0000

Yeah, but you could say “only sometimes” about feudalism, too.

By: etwas

etwas — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:41:00 +0000

From your blog post: “The World Telecommunication Standardisation Assembly (WTSA) held in Dubai last November resolved some concerns regarding maintaining privacy after it was noted that the standard deals with the identification of the application used rather than the inspection of users content. The standard does not allow access to users’ private information and allows measures to ensure the secrecy of correspondence.”

From the paper: “Forwarding copy right protected audio content by checking on embedded digital watermarks in MP3 data.”

No inspection of user content? You, sir, are truly a “communications professional” aka professional liar.

By: IronEdithKidd

IronEdithKidd — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:12:00 +0000

Only sometimes?

By: mad.madrasi

mad.madrasi — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:06:00 +0000

Yup. ITU is a standards setting/defining body. It is not inventing new ways to spy – just laying out the standards.

What we should be more worried about is not setting the standards, but on who is allowed to use those techniques.

I mean people (including a dumba$$) like me have known for a couple of years now that BT traffic can be monitored, tracked and fined.

I have been refusing people for last 4 to 5 years when they ask me to burn/copy (their) downloaded music into new CD/DVD/MP3/Mobiles, on my PC.

As you say I wish more knowledgeable people would actually put out a “cheat sheet” on what to do with all these stuff floating around. For one I can’t understand “live-eval with no persistent storage in the system”

LOL.

By: Luther Blissett

Luther Blissett — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:00:00 +0000

Toby, leak or not, DPI is a breach of MY privacy as well as yours. And, by the way, of all the people and companies, all around the globe.

Do you seriously believe that ITU should build technical standards how do do it, properly? Seriously? Do you consider the implications? Your are presenting yourself as a “communications professional”. Take a step back from the techie perspective.

Please.

By: Mordicai

Mordicai — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 12:43:00 +0000

Sometimes I suspect that patterns of inherited wealth & gambling is a crummy system of economics & governance.

By: Toby Johnson

Toby Johnson — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 12:36:00 +0000

Cory as the source of the so-called leak I can confirm it was nothing of the sort. It is also completely erroneous to describe it as secret. ALL ITU-T Recommendations are freely available after a short editing period. Again… don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story eh. Pls see blog here http://itu4u.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/data-deluge-motivates-itu-standard-on-deep-packet-inspection/

By: fuzzyfuzzyfungus

fuzzyfuzzyfungus — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 12:30:00 +0000

Based on the use cases, it also sounds like a few legacy telcos are really butthurt about VoIP…

By: wil manning

wil manning — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:39:00 +0000

Living in China I deal with pretty intense internet scrutiny all the time. What pisses me off most about this sort of deep packet monitoring is actually not so much my privacy (although that is obviously a concern) but the impact this has on performance. International traffic from here can be a complete nightmare with sporadic slow downs, things accidentally being blocked, redirects and sites with embedded applets not working etc. For example, any site using Google API (including maps) can become almost unusable at times. Does anyone know just how much of this is caused by this sort of snooping?

By: ldobe

ldobe — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:39:00 +0000

Heh, I’d forgotten about that. I haven’t seen Innocence in at least a year. I was referring to the eyehacking in GITS SAC 1st GiG, episode Eraser, where the laughing man hacks Bateau’s eyes in order to hand him the MHLW’s record book with the list of people who had taken the Murai Vaccine, then escape by walking away in plain “sight”

By: section9_bateau

section9_bateau — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:25:00 +0000

Well, I try to take good care of Gabriel, he likes his expensive dog food, and that was the only store that carried it.

By: ldobe

ldobe — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:04:00 +0000

I actually downloaded it to an encrypted thumbdrive, already did a slow format from ext3 to NTFS and back again. I know, that’s not secure, but somebody would have to be thinking way outside the box if they wrote something into a document macro that is designed to rootkit a linux formatted thumbdrive.

Hey at least I can’t get my eyes hacked, section9_bateau ;-]

By: section9_bateau

section9_bateau — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 09:54:00 +0000

I like, just in case you are not using an encrypted file system, remember to overwrite the blocks with one, zero, or random, unless on a SSD, then use OEM tool for it, to counteract the write-leveling.

By: webstu

webstu — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 09:50:00 +0000

http://youtu.be/4PLvdmifDSk?t=27s

By: ldobe

ldobe — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 09:35:00 +0000

I just downloaded it to my linux machine, unzipped it, uploaded it to ZohoViewer, deleted the extracted .docx, then set the .zip’s permissions to 000.

That seems pretty safe to me. What do you think?