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	<title>Comments on: New Zealand give $120M subsidy to Hollywood for local production of The Hobbit, plus a passel of new anti-union and copyright laws -- and corrupt police&#160;raids</title>
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		<title>By: Brad Bell</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/new-zealand-give-120m-subsidy.html#comment-1601362</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 22:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. The race to the bottom is in full effect across the economic spectrum. Multi-national corporations have no allegiance to any country. 

Noteworthy: in the past few days, Apple has said it is making some computers in the USA, ie. it is acting like it has a national allegiance.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. The race to the bottom is in full effect across the economic spectrum. Multi-national corporations have no allegiance to any country. </p>
<p>Noteworthy: in the past few days, Apple has said it is making some computers in the USA, ie. it is acting like it has a national allegiance.  </p>
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		<title>By: jepollock</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/new-zealand-give-120m-subsidy.html#comment-1600801</link>
		<dc:creator>jepollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 08:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a contractor at WETA who brought a court case to argue that they were an employee.  It&#039;s messed up a lot of things for a lot of contractors around here.  You don&#039;t contract direct anymore, everyone has to go through a third party to make it very obvious there&#039;s no employer/employee relationship.  I think this was the case: http://www.prlaw.co.nz/news/article/employment-vs-independent-contractor

Went to the NZ Supreme Court, looks like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a contractor at WETA who brought a court case to argue that they were an employee.  It&#8217;s messed up a lot of things for a lot of contractors around here.  You don&#8217;t contract direct anymore, everyone has to go through a third party to make it very obvious there&#8217;s no employer/employee relationship.  I think this was the case: http://www.prlaw.co.nz/news/article/employment-vs-independent-contractor</p>
<p>Went to the NZ Supreme Court, looks like.</p>
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		<title>By: endrest</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/new-zealand-give-120m-subsidy.html#comment-1600781</link>
		<dc:creator>endrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 06:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Now, that&#039;s exactly what I thought.. that it was the future tourism that would be the &#039;payback&#039; for allowing the NZ gov to subsidize the cost of the film production. But, this crap about changing labor laws is horrible.  I thought the NZ gov was a relatively sensible body, but I&#039;m beginning to see they&#039;re as corrupt to big biz as any other country seems to be.  Bummer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Now, that&#8217;s exactly what I thought.. that it was the future tourism that would be the &#8216;payback&#8217; for allowing the NZ gov to subsidize the cost of the film production. But, this crap about changing labor laws is horrible.  I thought the NZ gov was a relatively sensible body, but I&#8217;m beginning to see they&#8217;re as corrupt to big biz as any other country seems to be.  Bummer!</p>
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		<title>By: ocschwar</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/new-zealand-give-120m-subsidy.html#comment-1600454</link>
		<dc:creator>ocschwar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 22:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They better give them free tickets. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They better give them free tickets. </p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Lenethen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/new-zealand-give-120m-subsidy.html#comment-1600363</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Lenethen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 21:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim Dotcom is Gollum?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim Dotcom is Gollum?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick FitzHerbert</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/new-zealand-give-120m-subsidy.html#comment-1600295</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick FitzHerbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 19:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A more free employment environment? Too bad it has done nothing for the rising unemployment rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A more free employment environment? Too bad it has done nothing for the rising unemployment rate.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick FitzHerbert</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/new-zealand-give-120m-subsidy.html#comment-1600290</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick FitzHerbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 19:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pristine beauty? Not so much: http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/8023412/100-Pure-Fantasy-Living-up-to-our-brand</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pristine beauty? Not so much: <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/8023412/100-Pure-Fantasy-Living-up-to-our-brand" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/8023412/100-Pure-Fantasy-Living-up-to-our-brand</a></p>
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		<title>By: jepollock</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/new-zealand-give-120m-subsidy.html#comment-1600281</link>
		<dc:creator>jepollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 19:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without the subsidies the first time around, there wouldn&#039;t have been a WETA at all.  Additionally, it&#039;s not about WETA, it&#039;s actually about Tourism.  The government is forgoing sales tax on the work in NZ in order to gain the taxes from the tourists which come through.  A non-governmental study done on the LOTR movies showed that the subsidy paid for itself many times over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without the subsidies the first time around, there wouldn&#8217;t have been a WETA at all.  Additionally, it&#8217;s not about WETA, it&#8217;s actually about Tourism.  The government is forgoing sales tax on the work in NZ in order to gain the taxes from the tourists which come through.  A non-governmental study done on the LOTR movies showed that the subsidy paid for itself many times over.</p>
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		<title>By: figment88</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/new-zealand-give-120m-subsidy.html#comment-1600245</link>
		<dc:creator>figment88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both LOTR and Harry Potter have spawned entirely new tourist industries.

https://www.google.com/search?q=lord+of+the+rings+tours</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both LOTR and Harry Potter have spawned entirely new tourist industries.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=lord+of+the+rings+tours" rel="nofollow">https://www.google.com/search?q=lord+of+the+rings+tours</a></p>
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		<title>By: Antonio Carrasco</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/new-zealand-give-120m-subsidy.html#comment-1600216</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonio Carrasco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 18:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cory Doctrow&#039;s general outlook is that everything Hollywood does is bad, etc etc.

If you don&#039;t think these local tax incentives for film production help the local economy, see Vancouver or Louisiana. Both have benefitted greatly from legislative initiatives regarding film production </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cory Doctrow&#8217;s general outlook is that everything Hollywood does is bad, etc etc.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t think these local tax incentives for film production help the local economy, see Vancouver or Louisiana. Both have benefitted greatly from legislative initiatives regarding film production </p>
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		<title>By: bill_mcgonigle</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/new-zealand-give-120m-subsidy.html#comment-1599983</link>
		<dc:creator>bill_mcgonigle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are positives and negatives here.  Having a more free employment environment increases freedom in NZ.  Having the three strikes laws and raiding Dotcom are decreases in freedom.
The terminology is also suspect.  Those tax breaks don&#039;t cost the people anything if the outcome of not implementing those tax breaks is for production to move to the next most favorable regime&#039;s locale - in that case the tax breaks increase revenue (because a higher percentage of zero is still zero).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are positives and negatives here.  Having a more free employment environment increases freedom in NZ.  Having the three strikes laws and raiding Dotcom are decreases in freedom.<br />
The terminology is also suspect.  Those tax breaks don&#8217;t cost the people anything if the outcome of not implementing those tax breaks is for production to move to the next most favorable regime&#8217;s locale &#8211; in that case the tax breaks increase revenue (because a higher percentage of zero is still zero).</p>
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		<title>By: Halloween_Jack</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/new-zealand-give-120m-subsidy.html#comment-1599977</link>
		<dc:creator>Halloween_Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many more ax-grindy articles about the Hobbit movie are we going to get before it comes out?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many more ax-grindy articles about the Hobbit movie are we going to get before it comes out?  </p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/new-zealand-give-120m-subsidy.html#comment-1599974</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;make the moist of a bad situation&lt;/blockquote&gt;Dude, your typos rock!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>make the moist of a bad situation</p></blockquote>
<p>Dude, your typos rock!</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/new-zealand-give-120m-subsidy.html#comment-1599972</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;one of them was the resin outrageous fortune was cancelled.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Wow, typing in a Kiwi accent. Choice, bro.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>one of them was the resin outrageous fortune was cancelled.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow, typing in a Kiwi accent. Choice, bro.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Cronin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/new-zealand-give-120m-subsidy.html#comment-1599954</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 12:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same for the Potters in London, they kept a few hundred people well employed for about ten years in the UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same for the Potters in London, they kept a few hundred people well employed for about ten years in the UK.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan Shalev</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/new-zealand-give-120m-subsidy.html#comment-1599950</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan Shalev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 11:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And add to that the violation of animal rights laws.
http://news.msn.com/pop-culture/wranglers-say-hobbit-animals-died-on-unsafe-farm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And add to that the violation of animal rights laws.<br />
<a href="http://news.msn.com/pop-culture/wranglers-say-hobbit-animals-died-on-unsafe-farm" rel="nofollow">http://news.msn.com/pop-culture/wranglers-say-hobbit-animals-died-on-unsafe-farm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Aron Gaul</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/new-zealand-give-120m-subsidy.html#comment-1599920</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron Gaul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thats 27 dollars per man woman and child in new zealand. if I were a real asshole (which I am) I would stand in a movie line up in new zealand and gloat as a foreigner how much less I get to pay than all of them. 
maybe even a sign &quot;kiwis pay triple, God hates kiwis&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thats 27 dollars per man woman and child in new zealand. if I were a real asshole (which I am) I would stand in a movie line up in new zealand and gloat as a foreigner how much less I get to pay than all of them. <br />
maybe even a sign &#8220;kiwis pay triple, God hates kiwis&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Alpacaman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/new-zealand-give-120m-subsidy.html#comment-1599857</link>
		<dc:creator>Alpacaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 05:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shoes, or the fish?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shoes, or the fish?</p>
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		<title>By: Movie Fan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/new-zealand-give-120m-subsidy.html#comment-1599837</link>
		<dc:creator>Movie Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 04:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be helpful not to be overly alarmist. Appearance and reality are slighty at odds here. The truth of the matter is that these big movies are important to the New Zealand economy. They showcase the pristine beauty of New Zealand and so naturally help to encourage tourists to visit. They are thus a sensible  investment and the country of New Zealand will be benefiting from these films for years. The returns are worth it. They are very important. 

The Lord of the Rings also encouraged an entire industry and brought about a lot of employment and many successful careers were prompted by them, as will happen also with these great movies being made now. The successful films and the conducive movie making environment encourage other film makers to make films in New Zealand and so there are significant spin offs. 

Thousands of people owe their livelihoods to the great successes and prosper by them. The truth is that people who work in these big films get well looked after. The arts are a precarious industry and anyone who seeks to succeed in that field knows that. New Zealand has gone from being a &#039;back water&#039; to being state of the art and that is very helpful.

New Zealand has a lot of worker protections as a whole. It would be misleading to claim otherwise. 

Also, the high profiled Dotcom case has not led to the adverse outcomes that the author here might fear. There has been high public scrutiny of the events and on-going accountability and calling to account for mistakes made. New Zealand is not as is painted here in the article and the freedoms are more telling than the constraints. The movie industry in New Zealand is in good shape. It is the employment that has been generated that should be emphasized and the great work that has recently been done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be helpful not to be overly alarmist. Appearance and reality are slighty at odds here. The truth of the matter is that these big movies are important to the New Zealand economy. They showcase the pristine beauty of New Zealand and so naturally help to encourage tourists to visit. They are thus a sensible  investment and the country of New Zealand will be benefiting from these films for years. The returns are worth it. They are very important. </p>
<p>The Lord of the Rings also encouraged an entire industry and brought about a lot of employment and many successful careers were prompted by them, as will happen also with these great movies being made now. The successful films and the conducive movie making environment encourage other film makers to make films in New Zealand and so there are significant spin offs. </p>
<p>Thousands of people owe their livelihoods to the great successes and prosper by them. The truth is that people who work in these big films get well looked after. The arts are a precarious industry and anyone who seeks to succeed in that field knows that. New Zealand has gone from being a &#8216;back water&#8217; to being state of the art and that is very helpful.</p>
<p>New Zealand has a lot of worker protections as a whole. It would be misleading to claim otherwise. </p>
<p>Also, the high profiled Dotcom case has not led to the adverse outcomes that the author here might fear. There has been high public scrutiny of the events and on-going accountability and calling to account for mistakes made. New Zealand is not as is painted here in the article and the freedoms are more telling than the constraints. The movie industry in New Zealand is in good shape. It is the employment that has been generated that should be emphasized and the great work that has recently been done.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Coulter</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/new-zealand-give-120m-subsidy.html#comment-1599826</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 04:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not quite my words but we could almost be sole mates </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not quite my words but we could almost be sole mates </p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Coulter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 04:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never suggested that warners or new line were not taking advantage of the situation as in deed we all would. I am suggesting was that if left alone then normal work practise would have continued and we the tax payer would not be paying.

But then along came greedy power hungry people who realising the importance to NZ of the hobbit tried to hold the movie to ransom.

What else could the government do but make the moist of a bad situation, regardless we now have a marketing vehicle of amazing potential</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never suggested that warners or new line were not taking advantage of the situation as in deed we all would. I am suggesting was that if left alone then normal work practise would have continued and we the tax payer would not be paying.</p>
<p>But then along came greedy power hungry people who realising the importance to NZ of the hobbit tried to hold the movie to ransom.</p>
<p>What else could the government do but make the moist of a bad situation, regardless we now have a marketing vehicle of amazing potential</p>
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		<title>By: First Last</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/new-zealand-give-120m-subsidy.html#comment-1599823</link>
		<dc:creator>First Last</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 04:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be precise, it was a New Zealand union (Actors Equity NZ) acting under the Australian union (MEAA) they had previously joined for very purpose of having a larger and more international membership to bargain against the New Zealand film industry with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be precise, it was a New Zealand union (Actors Equity NZ) acting under the Australian union (MEAA) they had previously joined for very purpose of having a larger and more international membership to bargain against the New Zealand film industry with.</p>
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		<title>By: First Last</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/new-zealand-give-120m-subsidy.html#comment-1599818</link>
		<dc:creator>First Last</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 04:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re related in that three-strikes and Megaupload happened because of domestic and international pressure from the US media industry, of which Time Warner is a large part.


They weren&#039;t at all related to The Hobbit, they just happen to all tie into the TPP negotiations that the author very clumsily introduces at the end which is criticised for being basically yet another vehicle for those same pressures to corporately fuck sovereignty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re related in that three-strikes and Megaupload happened because of domestic and international pressure from the US media industry, of which Time Warner is a large part.</p>
<p>They weren&#8217;t at all related to The Hobbit, they just happen to all tie into the TPP negotiations that the author very clumsily introduces at the end which is criticised for being basically yet another vehicle for those same pressures to corporately fuck sovereignty.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Sawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Sawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 04:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do realise the Nuh-uh part doesn&#039;t give any evidence that such subsidies do not benefit non-US countries.  It just provides a non-attributed statement that it doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do realise the Nuh-uh part doesn&#8217;t give any evidence that such subsidies do not benefit non-US countries.  It just provides a non-attributed statement that it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Raum187</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raum187</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karaganis&#039; article is ludicrous. We (NZ) are not operating in a fucken bubble here. We’re operating on a global level with global players (the Australian unions being one).

Not a single cent of taxpayer money was spent on this. NZ earned money on the production, both at private and public levels. 

I’m not a fan of John Key in any way, but I always thought he must have photos of Warners’ execs doing something iffy considering the deal he got. The promotional rights on the DVD/Blu-Ray sales alone are a bargain! 

Can Joe Karaganis please get his nose out of our business! Perhaps he should try living here first before he sticks it in again.

Speaking of unions – the CTU, under the leadership of the incredibly naive Helen Kelly, put their weight behind the Ozzie unions on this. As a result, the CTU lost huge amounts of public support; in a time when we need unions to be strong, and savvy in their actions. I remember witnessing a huge anti-union march in central Wellington – by film industry workers telling the unions to fuck off, basically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karaganis&#8217; article is ludicrous. We (NZ) are not operating in a fucken bubble here. We’re operating on a global level with global players (the Australian unions being one).</p>
<p>Not a single cent of taxpayer money was spent on this. NZ earned money on the production, both at private and public levels. </p>
<p>I’m not a fan of John Key in any way, but I always thought he must have photos of Warners’ execs doing something iffy considering the deal he got. The promotional rights on the DVD/Blu-Ray sales alone are a bargain! </p>
<p>Can Joe Karaganis please get his nose out of our business! Perhaps he should try living here first before he sticks it in again.</p>
<p>Speaking of unions – the CTU, under the leadership of the incredibly naive Helen Kelly, put their weight behind the Ozzie unions on this. As a result, the CTU lost huge amounts of public support; in a time when we need unions to be strong, and savvy in their actions. I remember witnessing a huge anti-union march in central Wellington – by film industry workers telling the unions to fuck off, basically.</p>
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		<title>By: sftochch</title>
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		<dc:creator>sftochch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed: not just &quot;low-end&quot; jobs. The ripple effect of the LOTR movies, and presumably the future effect of the Hobbit, is felt in many sectors of New Zealand--especially tourism. I don&#039;t know enough about economics to know if $120M was a good deal for the benefits realized in NZ, but I suspect it was a *great* deal. The good-paying jobs at WETA are just the beginning.
http://travel.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/travel/new-zealands-hobbit-trail.html?pagewanted=all&amp;_r=0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed: not just &#8220;low-end&#8221; jobs. The ripple effect of the LOTR movies, and presumably the future effect of the Hobbit, is felt in many sectors of New Zealand&#8211;especially tourism. I don&#8217;t know enough about economics to know if $120M was a good deal for the benefits realized in NZ, but I suspect it was a *great* deal. The good-paying jobs at WETA are just the beginning.<br />
<a href="http://travel.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/travel/new-zealands-hobbit-trail.html?pagewanted=all&#038;_r=0" rel="nofollow">http://travel.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/travel/new-zealands-hobbit-trail.html?pagewanted=all&#038;_r=0</a></p>
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		<title>By: soupisgoodfood</title>
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		<dc:creator>soupisgoodfood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are they saying the three strikes law would never have been passed if LOtR had not been produced in NZ? It&#039;s the first I&#039;ve read about how these three issues are so directly related.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are they saying the three strikes law would never have been passed if LOtR had not been produced in NZ? It&#8217;s the first I&#8217;ve read about how these three issues are so directly related.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick FitzHerbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick FitzHerbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 02:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To at all suggest that Warner Bros was the innocent party in this is just ridiculous. They are the ones benifiting from not only a tax break but the change of an entire employment law for their one production. And now they are demanding further financial gains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To at all suggest that Warner Bros was the innocent party in this is just ridiculous. They are the ones benifiting from not only a tax break but the change of an entire employment law for their one production. And now they are demanding further financial gains.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 02:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the producers haven&#039;t seen the exit tax they charge at the airports (yet).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the producers haven&#8217;t seen the exit tax they charge at the airports (yet).</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Reide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Reide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 02:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, every country in the world down bids for these large companies, who end up being taxpayer subsidised and paying 1% tax? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, every country in the world down bids for these large companies, who end up being taxpayer subsidised and paying 1% tax? </p>
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