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	<title>Comments on: TOM THE DANCING BUG: A HOSTESS TWINKIES AD - CAPTAIN INDUSTRY VS.&#160;UNION-MAN</title>
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		<title>By: Idran</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/tom-the-dancing-bug-a-hostess.html#comment-1600753</link>
		<dc:creator>Idran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 05:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it would be impossible, since literally everything made of matter is made of chemicals

Of course, Mike is being a little willfully ignorant here, since &quot;chemical-laden&quot; obviously isn&#039;t intended to mean &quot;filled with chemicals of any conceivable sort&quot;, but rather &quot;filled with artificial preservatives and similar compounds that in ingredient lists are given complicated names because they&#039;re too new to have traditional ones&quot;.

But even then, not all such chemicals are necessarily bad for you, and often they&#039;re feared purely because they sound dangerous rather than because of any actual evidence.  And making comparisons between artificial preservatives and _Dachau and Bhopal_ is just stupid.  Especially since those both involved _literal pesticides_, chemicals _designed_ to kill.  (And the fatal components of Zyklon-B weren&#039;t even anything that fancy; it was basically hydrogen cyanide, a poison you can literally extract from fruit if need be.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it would be impossible, since literally everything made of matter is made of chemicals</p>
<p>Of course, Mike is being a little willfully ignorant here, since &#8220;chemical-laden&#8221; obviously isn&#8217;t intended to mean &#8220;filled with chemicals of any conceivable sort&#8221;, but rather &#8220;filled with artificial preservatives and similar compounds that in ingredient lists are given complicated names because they&#8217;re too new to have traditional ones&#8221;.</p>
<p>But even then, not all such chemicals are necessarily bad for you, and often they&#8217;re feared purely because they sound dangerous rather than because of any actual evidence.  And making comparisons between artificial preservatives and _Dachau and Bhopal_ is just stupid.  Especially since those both involved _literal pesticides_, chemicals _designed_ to kill.  (And the fatal components of Zyklon-B weren&#8217;t even anything that fancy; it was basically hydrogen cyanide, a poison you can literally extract from fruit if need be.)</p>
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		<title>By: benher</title>
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		<dc:creator>benher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 04:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love when their rich buttery cream trickles down on me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love when their rich buttery cream trickles down on me!</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 00:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t change a tire unless there were no other option.  I try to keep my DIY efforts to things that won&#039;t kill me if they go wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t change a tire unless there were no other option.  I try to keep my DIY efforts to things that won&#8217;t kill me if they go wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Ito Kagehisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ito Kagehisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 22:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Forget the labels for a minute.

They only want people they know have the skill of changing tires to change tires.  They do not want to pay skilled labor wages to unskilled labor.  Simple enough, right?

Now back to the labels:  persons hired as laborers are labeled &quot;unskilled&quot;.  Persons known to have the skill of changing tires are labeled &quot;mechanics&quot;.

This isn&#039;t entirely unwarranted.  I worked in a tire shop for a couple years and I saw a remarkable number of cars damaged by people changing tires without tightening the lug nuts, causing the lugs to shear and the wheel to come off the car at speed.  Seriously!  Lots of people cannot change a tire safely.

The problem is that the corporate masters have substituted a rules system for common sense and adequate management on the spot.  They are trying to hire the cheapest, least competent people possible, by moving the intelligence out of people&#039;s heads into rule sets.  You see this behavior everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Forget the labels for a minute.</p>
<p>They only want people they know have the skill of changing tires to change tires.  They do not want to pay skilled labor wages to unskilled labor.  Simple enough, right?</p>
<p>Now back to the labels:  persons hired as laborers are labeled &#8220;unskilled&#8221;.  Persons known to have the skill of changing tires are labeled &#8220;mechanics&#8221;.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t entirely unwarranted.  I worked in a tire shop for a couple years and I saw a remarkable number of cars damaged by people changing tires without tightening the lug nuts, causing the lugs to shear and the wheel to come off the car at speed.  Seriously!  Lots of people cannot change a tire safely.</p>
<p>The problem is that the corporate masters have substituted a rules system for common sense and adequate management on the spot.  They are trying to hire the cheapest, least competent people possible, by moving the intelligence out of people&#8217;s heads into rule sets.  You see this behavior everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: dnebdal</title>
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		<dc:creator>dnebdal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simply put:

Huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simply put:</p>
<p>Huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Marion Delgado</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marion Delgado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 08:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And why do you communists insist on whining about us selling you chinese smokestack residue as pet food? Treehugging hippies and your natural fallacy! As they said at Dachau, without chemicals life itself would be impossible. Or maybe Bhopal, all that ancient history gets a little hazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And why do you communists insist on whining about us selling you chinese smokestack residue as pet food? Treehugging hippies and your natural fallacy! As they said at Dachau, without chemicals life itself would be impossible. Or maybe Bhopal, all that ancient history gets a little hazy.</p>
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		<title>By: foobar</title>
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		<dc:creator>foobar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then why let a labourer change it at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then why let a labourer change it at all?</p>
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		<title>By: adam_inferno</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam_inferno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 00:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, a, it&#039;s an example. and b. There are ramifications for the tyre not being changed right, so one of the things that protects companies, and ultimately their shareholders, is using qualified staff. Let&#039;s say the company decides that a labourer can change a tyre, lets say they don&#039;t do it right (hey, it happens, i&#039;ve seen it happen) and the wheel literally comes off, and as a result, a member of the public is killed or injured? so what&#039;s the corporate liability? it&#039;s pretty big, since all they had to do was insure that a qualified person did the job, and not skimp on using a labourer. Don&#039;t know about the US, but in most places making sure your workers are actually qualified, and you can prove it, keeps both the insurance down, and you from being sued for mismanagement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, a, it&#8217;s an example. and b. There are ramifications for the tyre not being changed right, so one of the things that protects companies, and ultimately their shareholders, is using qualified staff. Let&#8217;s say the company decides that a labourer can change a tyre, lets say they don&#8217;t do it right (hey, it happens, i&#8217;ve seen it happen) and the wheel literally comes off, and as a result, a member of the public is killed or injured? so what&#8217;s the corporate liability? it&#8217;s pretty big, since all they had to do was insure that a qualified person did the job, and not skimp on using a labourer. Don&#8217;t know about the US, but in most places making sure your workers are actually qualified, and you can prove it, keeps both the insurance down, and you from being sued for mismanagement.</p>
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		<title>By: iamlegion</title>
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		<dc:creator>iamlegion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 00:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I can make shitty decisions for a lot less than 1.8m; just sayin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I can make shitty decisions for a lot less than 1.8m; just sayin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 23:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;chemical laden&quot;?  How would you make food without chemicals?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;chemical laden&#8221;?  How would you make food without chemicals?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 23:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more militant sectors of the labor movement have long pushed for industrial unionism where one union bargains for each industry.  Competing trade/craft unions is a sign of weak organized labor and strong capital.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more militant sectors of the labor movement have long pushed for industrial unionism where one union bargains for each industry.  Competing trade/craft unions is a sign of weak organized labor and strong capital.</p>
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		<title>By: foobar</title>
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		<dc:creator>foobar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 22:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you need a mechanic to change a tire? Why couldn&#039;t they pay a labourer a labourer&#039;s rate to do it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you need a mechanic to change a tire? Why couldn&#8217;t they pay a labourer a labourer&#8217;s rate to do it?</p>
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		<title>By: Repurposed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Repurposed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 22:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or maybe your business model is awful and you&#039;re cutting in the one place that doesn&#039;t affect your profligate lifestyle. Years of mismanagement isn&#039;t solved by one year of upper management thrift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or maybe your business model is awful and you&#8217;re cutting in the one place that doesn&#8217;t affect your profligate lifestyle. Years of mismanagement isn&#8217;t solved by one year of upper management thrift.</p>
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		<title>By: Repurposed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Repurposed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 21:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Companies also tend to fire specialists once they realise generalists can do the job. Often, they can until something goes wrong. Or the quality suffers because the generalists are wearing too many hats or aren&#039;t trained sufficiently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Companies also tend to fire specialists once they realise generalists can do the job. Often, they can until something goes wrong. Or the quality suffers because the generalists are wearing too many hats or aren&#8217;t trained sufficiently.</p>
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		<title>By: Funk Daddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funk Daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They doo look like made up crap from someone who wouldn&#039;t understand logistics involved in manufacture and distribution

I&#039;ll stop at the first one; Why on God&#039;s green earth would a worker monitoring a largely automated baking process leave a station to move finished product anywhere? 

So that everyone could stop and watch them do it? 

Maybe pat them on the back and high-five them on driving the forklift/pallet jack/lifting a bin so well for a baker?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They doo look like made up crap from someone who wouldn&#8217;t understand logistics involved in manufacture and distribution</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll stop at the first one; Why on God&#8217;s green earth would a worker monitoring a largely automated baking process leave a station to move finished product anywhere? </p>
<p>So that everyone could stop and watch them do it? </p>
<p>Maybe pat them on the back and high-five them on driving the forklift/pallet jack/lifting a bin so well for a baker?</p>
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		<title>By: Deidzoeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deidzoeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was waiting for the &quot;villain&quot; to be distracted and overcome after catching a Hostess Pie or Twinkie, like in the real Hostess comic book ads of the 70s-80s..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was waiting for the &#8220;villain&#8221; to be distracted and overcome after catching a Hostess Pie or Twinkie, like in the real Hostess comic book ads of the 70s-80s..</p>
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		<title>By: xunker</title>
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		<dc:creator>xunker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting information.  Also worth noting is the quote you cite (from http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/26/hostess-twinkies-bankrupt/ ) is from July, long before the Twinkie-pocolyse was nigh, which I feel makes it carry more weight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting information.  Also worth noting is the quote you cite (from <a href="http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/26/hostess-twinkies-bankrupt/" rel="nofollow">http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/26/hostess-twinkies-bankrupt/</a> ) is from July, long before the Twinkie-pocolyse was nigh, which I feel makes it carry more weight.</p>
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		<title>By: Funk Daddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funk Daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As for acting CEO Rayburn, the reason given for not cutting his pay too – he earns $1.5m a year – is that he&#039;s not on the Hostess payroll.&quot;

Rayburn - 

Is a member of the board of directors, aside from being CEO, and has wrangled from the bankruptcy judge a fairly free hand for awarding retention bonuses to management during wind-down operations. 

He gave up about 1.5mil in &quot;bonuses&quot;, but that is meaningless paper sacrifice given he has the ability to make it up as CEO and member of the board after people look away. 

Is the one who imposed the 8% across the board cut to all salaries but his own.

Anyone who thinks the high management or the board took a hit or even agreed to take a hit collectively or individually in order to try and save the company, jobs, pensions or otherwise is somehow blowing smoke up their own butt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As for acting CEO Rayburn, the reason given for not cutting his pay too – he earns $1.5m a year – is that he&#8217;s not on the Hostess payroll.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rayburn - </p>
<p>Is a member of the board of directors, aside from being CEO, and has wrangled from the bankruptcy judge a fairly free hand for awarding retention bonuses to management during wind-down operations. </p>
<p>He gave up about 1.5mil in &#8220;bonuses&#8221;, but that is meaningless paper sacrifice given he has the ability to make it up as CEO and member of the board after people look away. </p>
<p>Is the one who imposed the 8% across the board cut to all salaries but his own.</p>
<p>Anyone who thinks the high management or the board took a hit or even agreed to take a hit collectively or individually in order to try and save the company, jobs, pensions or otherwise is somehow blowing smoke up their own butt.</p>
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		<title>By: wizardru</title>
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		<dc:creator>wizardru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Union_S_.  It&#039;s worth noting there were 12 unions involved in the Hostess bankruptcy.

http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/26/hostess-twinkies-bankrupt/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Union_S_.  It&#8217;s worth noting there were 12 unions involved in the Hostess bankruptcy.</p>
<p><a href="http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/26/hostess-twinkies-bankrupt/" rel="nofollow">http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/26/hostess-twinkies-bankrupt/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Rayburn announced that the pay of the four top executives would go down to $1 for the year, but that their full salaries would be reinstated no later than Jan. 1. &lt;b&gt;Hostess pays Rayburn $125,000 a month,&lt;/b&gt; according to court filings. At the same time Rayburn became CEO, Gephardt&#039;s son Matthew, 41, the COO of the Gephardt Group, was put on the Hostess board as a $100,000-a-year independent director.&lt;/i&gt;

This of course says nothing of the role of hedge fund managers in all this.

http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/26/hostess-twinkies-bankrupt/?iid=EL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Rayburn announced that the pay of the four top executives would go down to $1 for the year, but that their full salaries would be reinstated no later than Jan. 1. <b>Hostess pays Rayburn $125,000 a month,</b> according to court filings. At the same time Rayburn became CEO, Gephardt&#8217;s son Matthew, 41, the COO of the Gephardt Group, was put on the Hostess board as a $100,000-a-year independent director.</i></p>
<p>This of course says nothing of the role of hedge fund managers in all this.</p>
<p><a href="http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/26/hostess-twinkies-bankrupt/?iid=EL" rel="nofollow">http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/26/hostess-twinkies-bankrupt/?iid=EL</a></p>
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		<title>By: wizardru</title>
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		<dc:creator>wizardru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no one villain in this piece.  Fortune&#039;s web site had a huge article detailing the long line of fail that led to Hostess&#039; demise.  If there was a REAL culprit, it was the constant mergers.  All those union agreements that seem ridiculous?  It&#039;s because ten different companies were absorbed and previous union agreements had to be honored...and multiple health plans, pension plans and other benefits had to be maintained.  Those claims you list though, sound like someone assuming that it all unions are the same union and that all unions are only the Teamsters.

&quot;The Balkanized nature of its empire gave Hostess a piecemeal labor situation, including a matrix of 372 collective-bargaining agreements, a dozen separate unions, 5,500 delivery routes, and no fewer than 40 multi-employer pension plans that are despised by management.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no one villain in this piece.  Fortune&#8217;s web site had a huge article detailing the long line of fail that led to Hostess&#8217; demise.  If there was a REAL culprit, it was the constant mergers.  All those union agreements that seem ridiculous?  It&#8217;s because ten different companies were absorbed and previous union agreements had to be honored&#8230;and multiple health plans, pension plans and other benefits had to be maintained.  Those claims you list though, sound like someone assuming that it all unions are the same union and that all unions are only the Teamsters.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Balkanized nature of its empire gave Hostess a piecemeal labor situation, including a matrix of 372 collective-bargaining agreements, a dozen separate unions, 5,500 delivery routes, and no fewer than 40 multi-employer pension plans that are despised by management.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;plenty of blame to go around...&lt;/blockquote&gt;So blame gets spread evenly, whereas bonuses go directly to the people who need (and deserve) them the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>plenty of blame to go around&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>So blame gets spread evenly, whereas bonuses go directly to the people who need (and deserve) them the least.</p>
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		<title>By: Funk Daddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funk Daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, they were shit are shit and shall remain shit. They just won&#039;t be Hostess shit anymore. The golden parachutes for management and shareholders will be woven of liquidation and licensing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, they were shit are shit and shall remain shit. They just won&#8217;t be Hostess shit anymore. The golden parachutes for management and shareholders will be woven of liquidation and licensing.</p>
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		<title>By: Funk Daddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funk Daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lessee, the average salary before taxes/all source deductions of a baker at Hostess with 20 years of service was 45k. Before the negotiated pay cuts. 

That&#039;s unrealistic because (select one)

A. Profit!

B. but she&#039;s in a union!

C. 9/11!

D. The economy!

E. The executives took pay cuts! (oh wait...)

F. Every CEO&#039;s favourite, All of the Above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lessee, the average salary before taxes/all source deductions of a baker at Hostess with 20 years of service was 45k. Before the negotiated pay cuts. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s unrealistic because (select one)</p>
<p>A. Profit!</p>
<p>B. but she&#8217;s in a union!</p>
<p>C. 9/11!</p>
<p>D. The economy!</p>
<p>E. The executives took pay cuts! (oh wait&#8230;)</p>
<p>F. Every CEO&#8217;s favourite, All of the Above.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Not really, the union had already taken concessions to save the company before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Not really, the union had already taken concessions to save the company before.</p>
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		<title>By: xunker</title>
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		<dc:creator>xunker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 19:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for that, very informative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for that, very informative.</p>
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		<title>By: for_SCIENCE</title>
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		<dc:creator>for_SCIENCE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 19:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That, and to be honest, are Twinkies really that good anyway? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That, and to be honest, are Twinkies really that good anyway? </p>
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		<title>By: GawainLavers</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/05/tom-the-dancing-bug-a-hostess.html#comment-1599368</link>
		<dc:creator>GawainLavers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 19:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are better:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2012/11/29/the-line-it-is-drawn-117-a-fond-farewell-to-hostess/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Fond Farewell to Hostess&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are better:<br />
<a href="http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2012/11/29/the-line-it-is-drawn-117-a-fond-farewell-to-hostess/" rel="nofollow">A Fond Farewell to Hostess</a></p>
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		<title>By: orwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>orwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s a combination of unrealistic executive compensation, unrealistic union compensation and falling sales.  pretty much the same argument for the auto bailout...  plenty of blame to go around...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s a combination of unrealistic executive compensation, unrealistic union compensation and falling sales.  pretty much the same argument for the auto bailout&#8230;  plenty of blame to go around&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t remember the last time I actually saw anyone eat one of those abominations. As one marketing professional noted, the Twinkie is not something anyone would invent today. Those highly-paid executives were coasting on a product that hasn&#039;t changed significantly for the better part of a century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t remember the last time I actually saw anyone eat one of those abominations. As one marketing professional noted, the Twinkie is not something anyone would invent today. Those highly-paid executives were coasting on a product that hasn&#8217;t changed significantly for the better part of a century.</p>
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