Comments on: Schooling a reader who doesn't like female, middle-aged, black pirate captains http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Mon, 20 May 2013 05:13:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: regondi http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1603778 regondi Tue, 11 Dec 2012 00:09:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1603778 Old news. Patrick O'Brian had a fictional female pirate captain in The Nutmeg of Consolation published in 1991 Old news. Patrick O’Brian had a fictional female pirate captain in The Nutmeg of Consolation published in 1991

]]> By: Lupus_Yonderboy http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1603711 Lupus_Yonderboy Mon, 10 Dec 2012 23:04:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1603711 Thirded, now on my Amazon wish list. Thirded, now on my Amazon wish list.

]]> By: Lupus_Yonderboy http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1603710 Lupus_Yonderboy Mon, 10 Dec 2012 23:03:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1603710 They're actually filming a Law & Order based on that right now.  They’re actually filming a Law & Order based on that right now. 

]]> By: Claire_M http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1603430 Claire_M Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:39:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1603430 Oops just read that more carefully, Grace O'Malley is in the book. And the free potted history here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_O'Malley Oops just read that more carefully, Grace O’Malley is in the book. And the free potted history here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_O'Malley

]]> By: Corso http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1603362 Corso Mon, 10 Dec 2012 18:48:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1603362 Baahaha nice one. Baahaha nice one.

]]> By: Origami_Isopod http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1603324 Origami_Isopod Mon, 10 Dec 2012 18:17:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1603324 So because <i>you're</i> not interested in the original point, you feel entitled to derail the discussion. Noted. So because you’re not interested in the original point, you feel entitled to derail the discussion. Noted.

]]> By: SamLL http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1603128 SamLL Mon, 10 Dec 2012 14:42:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1603128 Soooooo.... how's Republic of Thieves coming along? There's a curse to be resolved! Soooooo…. how’s Republic of Thieves coming along? There’s a curse to be resolved!

]]> By: pjcamp http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1602985 pjcamp Mon, 10 Dec 2012 05:05:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1602985 Wonder how he pronounces "vicous?" Wonder how he pronounces “vicous?”

]]> By: Ipo http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1602982 Ipo Mon, 10 Dec 2012 04:54:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1602982 Viscous rabids.  Angered into a thickened consistency. Viscous rabids. 
Angered into a thickened consistency.

]]> By: elix http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1602977 elix Mon, 10 Dec 2012 04:38:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1602977 The interesting thing is, unless Stephen Fry and the elves were lying to everyone on this past weekend's QI episode, our impression of pirates is completely wrong. More info: http://qi.com/this-weeks-qi/pirates <blockquote>Pirate ships were run as democratic co-operatives with written constitutions under a system called ‘Jamaica Discipline’. ... Rules were strict. The articles for Captain Bartholomew Roberts' ship the <i>Fortune</i> (flourished 1719-22) make it sound like a boarding school: no gambling, no smuggling girls into the dorm, no playing music on a Sunday, and lights out at 8 o'clock sharp.</blockquote>Not mentioned on that page (that I can find), but mentioned on the show, although I can't recall if it was the <i>Fortune</i> or a different ship, was one such rule that amounted to, if you offer to "meddle" with a "prudent" woman without her consent, your punishment is immediate death. ...and meanwhile, today, we have politicians trying to say that there are "legitimate" forms of rape. I'd personally like to live with the pirates, where rapists get killed on the spot, kind of. The interesting thing is, unless Stephen Fry and the elves were lying to everyone on this past weekend’s QI episode, our impression of pirates is completely wrong. More info: http://qi.com/this-weeks-qi/pirates

Pirate ships were run as democratic co-operatives with written constitutions under a system called ‘Jamaica Discipline’.
…
Rules were strict. The articles for Captain Bartholomew Roberts’ ship the Fortune (flourished 1719-22) make it sound like a boarding school: no gambling, no smuggling girls into the dorm, no playing music on a Sunday, and lights out at 8 o’clock sharp.

Not mentioned on that page (that I can find), but mentioned on the show, although I can’t recall if it was the Fortune or a different ship, was one such rule that amounted to, if you offer to “meddle” with a “prudent” woman without her consent, your punishment is immediate death.

…and meanwhile, today, we have politicians trying to say that there are “legitimate” forms of rape. I’d personally like to live with the pirates, where rapists get killed on the spot, kind of.

]]> By: Cowicide http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1602954 Cowicide Mon, 10 Dec 2012 03:00:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1602954 This thread is now about how derailing threads is like piratical activity. This thread is now about how derailing threads is like piratical activity.

]]> By: invictus http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1602942 invictus Mon, 10 Dec 2012 02:25:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1602942 Scott is generally awesomely funny. You all should read his livejournal in addition to his books. Scott is generally awesomely funny. You all should read his livejournal in addition to his books.

]]> By: AlexG55 http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1602916 AlexG55 Mon, 10 Dec 2012 01:03:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1602916 Well, the one I've read (the Lies of Locke Lamora) was one of the best fantasy novels I've read. Well, the one I’ve read (the Lies of Locke Lamora) was one of the best fantasy novels I’ve read.

]]> By: Steve Taylor http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1602875 Steve Taylor Sun, 09 Dec 2012 23:28:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1602875 Viscous rarebits - it's the melted cheese that does it. Viscous rarebits – it’s the melted cheese that does it.

]]> By: Steve Taylor http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1602874 Steve Taylor Sun, 09 Dec 2012 23:27:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1602874 Same here. She's one of the better characters too - I love how she's such an uptight overwound workaholic. She comes across as someone whose commands would be obeyed. Same here. She’s one of the better characters too – I love how she’s such an uptight overwound workaholic. She comes across as someone whose commands would be obeyed.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1602844 Antinous / Moderator Sun, 09 Dec 2012 22:24:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1602844 No, viscous rapids. They're much safer than whitewater. No, viscous rapids. They’re much safer than whitewater.

]]> By: James Kimbell http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1602829 James Kimbell Sun, 09 Dec 2012 21:48:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1602829 "...is a historically incorrect fantasy."  To be fair, we're talking about fantasy novels. Not that that makes the anti-woman guy correct, but, you know. “…is a historically incorrect fantasy.”

 To be fair, we’re talking about fantasy novels.

Not that that makes the anti-woman guy correct, but, you know.

]]> By: Joshua Frazer http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1602802 Joshua Frazer Sun, 09 Dec 2012 20:55:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1602802 Yup. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ching_Shih Yup.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ching_Shih

]]> By: Joshua Frazer http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1602799 Joshua Frazer Sun, 09 Dec 2012 20:53:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1602799 Ranting is a series of normal characters FOLLOWED BY WRITING IN ALL CAPS. Ranting is a series of normal characters FOLLOWED BY WRITING IN ALL CAPS.

]]> By: Joshua Frazer http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1602797 Joshua Frazer Sun, 09 Dec 2012 20:52:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1602797 More thinly sourced than the rest of the characters in Pirates of the Caribbean 3? More thinly sourced than the rest of the characters in Pirates of the Caribbean 3?

]]> By: Phoenix Woman http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1602760 Phoenix Woman Sun, 09 Dec 2012 20:01:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1602760 Exactly, and not just for reasons of morality.  Pirates and Vikings didn't do anything that would hurt the value of the cargo they acquired.  A nobleman's daughter was of far more value to them if they could ransom her back to her rellies unscathed. Exactly, and not just for reasons of morality.  Pirates and Vikings didn’t do anything that would hurt the value of the cargo they acquired.  A nobleman’s daughter was of far more value to them if they could ransom her back to her rellies unscathed.

]]> By: Marc Mielke http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1602755 Marc Mielke Sun, 09 Dec 2012 19:56:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1602755 Given the level of misogyny in even good fantasy (Song of Ice and Fire, for one) A bit of feminism can be rather refreshing.  Given the level of misogyny in even good fantasy (Song of Ice and Fire, for one) A bit of feminism can be rather refreshing. 

]]> By: Marc Mielke http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1602747 Marc Mielke Sun, 09 Dec 2012 19:49:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1602747 Given the sales his seven-year-old crank letter seems to have generated, maybe you should kick him back a couple bucks! Or not. Not sounds better.  Given the sales his seven-year-old crank letter seems to have generated, maybe you should kick him back a couple bucks!

Or not. Not sounds better. 

]]> By: Chip Daniels http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1602740 Chip Daniels Sun, 09 Dec 2012 19:37:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1602740 A black female pirate is absurdly improbable wish fulfillment- but a nerdy undistinguished adolescent boy turning out to be the long lost son of a Jedi knight/ Hogwart's wizard/ Gypsy King/ Dauphin is so completely plausible, why, practially ripped from the headlines! A black female pirate is absurdly improbable wish fulfillment- but a nerdy undistinguished adolescent boy turning out to be the long lost son of a Jedi knight/ Hogwart’s wizard/ Gypsy King/ Dauphin is so completely plausible, why, practially ripped from the headlines!

]]> By: Derek C. F. Pegritz http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1602734 Derek C. F. Pegritz Sun, 09 Dec 2012 19:21:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1602734 "Your cabbage-water vision of worldbuilding bores me to tears." BAM! That's one of *the* best brush-offs I've ever read! And who the fuck reads fantasy for "realism"? You read fantasy to get *away* from realism! And I think any woman--let alone a mother of two--bad-assed enough to get pirates to follow her must be some kind of special Ultimate Bad-ass that I'd *want* to read about! “Your cabbage-water vision of worldbuilding bores me to tears.”

BAM! That’s one of *the* best brush-offs I’ve ever read!

And who the fuck reads fantasy for “realism”? You read fantasy to get *away* from realism! And I think any woman–let alone a mother of two–bad-assed enough to get pirates to follow her must be some kind of special Ultimate Bad-ass that I’d *want* to read about!

]]> By: Halloween_Jack http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1602728 Halloween_Jack Sun, 09 Dec 2012 19:11:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1602728  I'm already thinking of other examples that it could be applied to. I've run across gamemasters for RPGs who arbitrarily ban certain types of characters or characteristics thereof because they think that they're "unrealistic" or too silly.  I’m already thinking of other examples that it could be applied to. I’ve run across gamemasters for RPGs who arbitrarily ban certain types of characters or characteristics thereof because they think that they’re “unrealistic” or too silly.

]]> By: Phoenix Woman http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1602724 Phoenix Woman Sun, 09 Dec 2012 19:05:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1602724  Yup, and captains were often freely elected -- and could be replaced at any time for subpar managerial performance.  Yup, and captains were often freely elected — and could be replaced at any time for subpar managerial performance.

]]> By: Phoenix Woman http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1602722 Phoenix Woman Sun, 09 Dec 2012 19:01:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1602722  Isn't it fun when misogynists mansplain to another man?   Isn’t it fun when misogynists mansplain to another man? 

]]> By: Phoenix Woman http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1602721 Phoenix Woman Sun, 09 Dec 2012 18:58:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1602721 The irony is that it's all too clear that the reader's favored readings (John Norman, anyone?) probably make Scott look like the great Diana Galbadon or C.L. Moore in comparison.  (Oh, noes! I cite two noted wimmenz authorz!  John Greene's dick will now fall off!  Aiiieee!) The irony is that it’s all too clear that the reader’s favored readings (John Norman, anyone?) probably make Scott look like the great Diana Galbadon or C.L. Moore in comparison.  (Oh, noes! I cite two noted wimmenz authorz!  John Greene’s dick will now fall off!  Aiiieee!)

]]> By: class_enemy http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/schooling-a-reader-who-doesn.html#comment-1602699 class_enemy Sun, 09 Dec 2012 18:02:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199304#comment-1602699 The pirate pictured on the cover of the Jo Stanley book may shiver my timbers any time she so desires.  Aye, aye, ma'am!! The pirate pictured on the cover of the Jo Stanley book may shiver my timbers any time she so desires.  Aye, aye, ma’am!!

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