Comments on: Visions of the future (2030, to be precise), courtesy of U.S. spies http://boingboing.net/2012/12/11/visions-of-the-future-2030-t.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Sun, 26 May 2013 06:42:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: R_Young http://boingboing.net/2012/12/11/visions-of-the-future-2030-t.html#comment-1605735 R_Young Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:15:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199815#comment-1605735 That book is STILL AWESOME. That book is STILL AWESOME.

]]> By: R_Young http://boingboing.net/2012/12/11/visions-of-the-future-2030-t.html#comment-1605727 R_Young Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:04:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199815#comment-1605727 I had trouble finding a direct link from the NIC webpage (so intelligent, they can't put their report on their "reports" page) so here is a direct link to a PDF of the report: http://www.scribd.com/doc/115962650/Global-Trends-2030-Alternative-Worlds I had trouble finding a direct link from the NIC webpage (so intelligent, they can’t put their report on their “reports” page) so here is a direct link to a PDF of the report: http://www.scribd.com/doc/115962650/Global-Trends-2030-Alternative-Worlds

]]> By: R_Young http://boingboing.net/2012/12/11/visions-of-the-future-2030-t.html#comment-1605712 R_Young Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:36:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199815#comment-1605712 Those drugs exist, and could be furthered in a very rapid frame of time, the mistake was in assuming society would somehow abandon all its previous dogmas and accept easy access and research into drugs with very cool effects and very scary implications. Amphetamine derivatives are still being discovered, and plenty are still lying in binders that will likely never be made because they're too fun, or judged as too dangerous/powerful for release.  We just haven't put any effort there.  Those drugs exist, and could be furthered in a very rapid frame of time, the mistake was in assuming society would somehow abandon all its previous dogmas and accept easy access and research into drugs with very cool effects and very scary implications.

Amphetamine derivatives are still being discovered, and plenty are still lying in binders that will likely never be made because they’re too fun, or judged as too dangerous/powerful for release.  We just haven’t put any effort there. 

]]> By: hypnosifl http://boingboing.net/2012/12/11/visions-of-the-future-2030-t.html#comment-1605426 hypnosifl Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:36:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199815#comment-1605426 I agree, I was really just using the megacity prediction as a jumping-off point to talk about how that level of robotics would probably have much more radical effects on society than just new cities springing up (like post-scarcity and the end of capitalism as we know it). I agree, I was really just using the megacity prediction as a jumping-off point to talk about how that level of robotics would probably have much more radical effects on society than just new cities springing up (like post-scarcity and the end of capitalism as we know it).

]]> By: Brainspore http://boingboing.net/2012/12/11/visions-of-the-future-2030-t.html#comment-1605235 Brainspore Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:34:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199815#comment-1605235 Even if the tech was available, when was the last time anyone really NEEDED a megacity built from scratch? Who would commission such a thing, and for what purpose? Maybe a manufacturing-based settlement in rural China? "We need a huge metropolis right… here! You have until next Thursday." Even if the tech was available, when was the last time anyone really NEEDED a megacity built from scratch? Who would commission such a thing, and for what purpose? Maybe a manufacturing-based settlement in rural China?

“We need a huge metropolis right… here! You have until next Thursday.”

]]> By: A Viescas http://boingboing.net/2012/12/11/visions-of-the-future-2030-t.html#comment-1605016 A Viescas Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:04:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199815#comment-1605016  Ever heard of "Adderall?"  Ever heard of “Adderall?”

]]> By: Ashen Victor http://boingboing.net/2012/12/11/visions-of-the-future-2030-t.html#comment-1604936 Ashen Victor Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:34:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199815#comment-1604936  With the help of Robocop!  With the help of Robocop!

]]> By: Dlo Burns http://boingboing.net/2012/12/11/visions-of-the-future-2030-t.html#comment-1604930 Dlo Burns Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:17:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199815#comment-1604930 I dunno, everybody's drinking redbull/monster/rock star I dunno, everybody’s drinking redbull/monster/rock star

]]> By: Oliver http://boingboing.net/2012/12/11/visions-of-the-future-2030-t.html#comment-1604890 Oliver Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:22:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199815#comment-1604890 Ha... always said it will be more like Neuromancer then Star Trek. My friends called me 'pessimist sci-fi freak'... Ha… always said it will be more like Neuromancer then Star Trek.
My friends called me ‘pessimist sci-fi freak’…

]]> By: hypnosifl http://boingboing.net/2012/12/11/visions-of-the-future-2030-t.html#comment-1604877 hypnosifl Wed, 12 Dec 2012 05:46:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199815#comment-1604877 "Megacities built from scratch", built up quick by machines I guess? My optimistic hope is that by 2030 (or a decade or two later) we could be at the point where basically every step in manufacturing goods (aside from designing new ones, and mining the raw materials) can be done by robots, and these robots can also be programmed to manufacture more manufacturing-bots (and build factories where they can "work" along with all needed equipment), so if you have one robot factory it can self-replicate as long as you feed it the necessary materials and energy. Doesn't seem like such a far-off goal given how much of manufacturing is already done by machines, and how robots' abilities to navigate real-world environments has improved to the point where we have self-driving cars. But if we could reach this point it seems like we'd be on the verge of a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-scarcity_economy" rel="nofollow">post-scarcity economy</a> where the cost of manufactured goods is not much above cost of raw materials and energy needed to make them, and people could work much less, with something like a guaranteed minimum income that was enough to give everyone a good standard of living (of course trying to give everyone in the world a middle-class lifestyle could potentially make environmental problems even worse, but an era of cheap robot manufacturing could also make it much more feasible to build massive arrays of solar panels and wind turbines and such, and maybe huge numbers of <a href="http://io9.com/5950271/could-artificial-trees-solve-the-global-warming-crisis" rel="nofollow">CO2 absorbing machines</a> too). “Megacities built from scratch”, built up quick by machines I guess? My optimistic hope is that by 2030 (or a decade or two later) we could be at the point where basically every step in manufacturing goods (aside from designing new ones, and mining the raw materials) can be done by robots, and these robots can also be programmed to manufacture more manufacturing-bots (and build factories where they can “work” along with all needed equipment), so if you have one robot factory it can self-replicate as long as you feed it the necessary materials and energy. Doesn’t seem like such a far-off goal given how much of manufacturing is already done by machines, and how robots’ abilities to navigate real-world environments has improved to the point where we have self-driving cars. But if we could reach this point it seems like we’d be on the verge of a post-scarcity economy where the cost of manufactured goods is not much above cost of raw materials and energy needed to make them, and people could work much less, with something like a guaranteed minimum income that was enough to give everyone a good standard of living (of course trying to give everyone in the world a middle-class lifestyle could potentially make environmental problems even worse, but an era of cheap robot manufacturing could also make it much more feasible to build massive arrays of solar panels and wind turbines and such, and maybe huge numbers of CO2 absorbing machines too).

]]> By: tré http://boingboing.net/2012/12/11/visions-of-the-future-2030-t.html#comment-1604878 tré Wed, 12 Dec 2012 05:46:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199815#comment-1604878  I think the real answer to your question is, "it's not 2013 yet." A lot can happen in three weeks.  I think the real answer to your question is, “it’s not 2013 yet.”

A lot can happen in three weeks.

]]> By: miasm http://boingboing.net/2012/12/11/visions-of-the-future-2030-t.html#comment-1604677 miasm Tue, 11 Dec 2012 23:19:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199815#comment-1604677 Mainstream psychedelics research, quantum or massively parallel computing and 3d printing. Look out. Mainstream psychedelics research, quantum or massively parallel computing and 3d printing.
Look out.

]]> By: Michael Rosefield http://boingboing.net/2012/12/11/visions-of-the-future-2030-t.html#comment-1604631 Michael Rosefield Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:46:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199815#comment-1604631 So, a good question is: why didn't this happen? My guess: * 3D representation turned out to be a terrible way to organise and interact with data * VR technology was always far too expensive, laggy, inconvenient, and generally inferior to normal tech * The internet (and its social iteration) came and started replacing TV instead * Those smart drugs don't exist So, a good question is: why didn’t this happen?

My guess:
* 3D representation turned out to be a terrible way to organise and interact with data
* VR technology was always far too expensive, laggy, inconvenient, and generally inferior to normal tech
* The internet (and its social iteration) came and started replacing TV instead
* Those smart drugs don’t exist

]]> By: stillcantfightthedite http://boingboing.net/2012/12/11/visions-of-the-future-2030-t.html#comment-1604621 stillcantfightthedite Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:38:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199815#comment-1604621 Megacities from scratch?  You'll have to clean up old Detroit before building Delta City, and how exactly are you going to do that??? Megacities from scratch?  You’ll have to clean up old Detroit before building Delta City, and how exactly are you going to do that???

]]> By: sam1148 http://boingboing.net/2012/12/11/visions-of-the-future-2030-t.html#comment-1604569 sam1148 Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:12:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199815#comment-1604569  In 93 they thought that in 2013 everyone from air-traffic controllers to secretaries would be wearing VR Goggles, full immersion VR body suits would replace Television and we'd all be popping smart drugs on a daily basis.  In 93 they thought that in 2013 everyone from air-traffic controllers to secretaries would be wearing VR Goggles, full immersion VR body suits would replace Television and we’d all be popping smart drugs on a daily basis.

]]> By: Brainspore http://boingboing.net/2012/12/11/visions-of-the-future-2030-t.html#comment-1604544 Brainspore Tue, 11 Dec 2012 21:51:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=199815#comment-1604544 <blockquote>Every four or five years, the futurists at the National Intelligence Council take a stab at forecasting what the globe will be like two decades hence…</blockquote>Before I get too excited about their latest predictions I think I'd like to review the ones they made 20 years ago.

Every four or five years, the futurists at the National Intelligence Council take a stab at forecasting what the globe will be like two decades hence…

Before I get too excited about their latest predictions I think I’d like to review the ones they made 20 years ago.

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