Comments on: Where does Assad's online army come from?

By: olr

olr — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 20:19:00 +0000

OK, so you read some weird stuff, you wonder how people can be so stupid, you wonder about their motivations, then these words pop up: “Jewish conspiracy” – and you need read no further, that’s an easy one.

By: strangefriend

strangefriend — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:43:00 +0000

Let me note that the cartoon Ackerman claims shows the pro-Assaders are saying ‘Jews controll the Syrian rebellion or something’ shows a soldier with a Mogen David on his helmet & blood dripping from his hand, while the US media camera transforms him into a smiling soldier presenting an olive branch.
http://statigr.am/p/282394303178241456_13035540
Isn’t this just a criticism of Israel rather than Jews? Or is any criticism of Israel antisemitic? Let me tell Mr. Ackerman, it isn’t.

By: wysinwyg

wysinwyg — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:45:00 +0000

I bought a Persian rug from an Iranian Jewish guy — “We have to be everywhere to run the world,” he said. Then he said he wanted to print out some of the conspiracy theory stuff so that he can go to the bank to get a loan and be like “Don’t you know who I am? You work for me!”

By: wysinwyg

wysinwyg — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:41:00 +0000

If you have such a huge problem with boingboing’s political coverage may I suggest starting your own wordpress account?

By: Brainspore

Brainspore — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:19:00 +0000

I never saw a single nice post about all of Bush’s evil wars the whole time he was in office. Now that it’s Hillary and plucky rebels, you post their “cool military tech”…

Yes, all those Boing Boing posts about drone strikes and ever-expanding surveillance technology are always going on about how awesome they are and not a threat to our civil liberties at all. Enough already!

I, for one, am FED UP with Cory constantly spewing pro-surveillance-state propaganda, and Xeni talking about how cool Obama’s drone strikes are, and Boing Boing in general talking about how evil the Electronic Frontier Foundation is and how copyright law needs to be tightened to protect Democrat-supporting lobbyists from the entertainment industry.

By: smallteam

smallteam — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:03:00 +0000

Gesundheit

By: ocschwar

ocschwar — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:03:00 +0000

The US might have a disinfo campaign ready to go, but when truth is on your side, you can give your disinfo people a vacation.

By: ocschwar

ocschwar — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:02:00 +0000

If you have to buddy up with Bashar al Assad to counter American hegemony, you wind up making a damn good case for leaving American hegemony un-checked.

By: dragonfrog

dragonfrog — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:59:00 +0000

Man, those Jews, they’re behind everything. Just yesterday, I couldn’t find my gloves – I had to go out with one old barely-insulated glove and one wool mitten. Jews!

By: screamingtears

screamingtears — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 10:45:00 +0000

And that’s exactly the problem: It’s about money (warmachine, ressources etc.), but not about the people. If it was about the Syrians, there would have been action sooner and in different ways.
All those great western nations constantly holler about how morally and what-not superior they are, but really it’s never about the people.
If you look at how they act and what they aim for, making a distinction between nations like Russia or the USA gets increasingly difficult.
Just think of Stratfor and what techniques they advise and/or use.

Makes you want to vomit until the world drowns…

By: Marc Mielke

Marc Mielke — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:15:00 +0000

We know exactly how to treat that rebel scum.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/death-star-petition-white-house-site-signed-17-000-article-1.1217817

By: teapot

teapot — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 04:26:00 +0000

There’s a reason no one talked nicely of Bush and that’s because he was a fucking dick. Afghanistan was the only vaguely justifiable war and he put that on hold to settle old scores, giving the taliban an opportunity to regain influence. Everything the guy did was inept and disastrous.

but I don’t see much about all the beheadings of prisoners, bombing of crowds, etc, etc.
^See how you just typed that? Instead of crapping on indignantly, how about talking about these situations you allege – providing links. Find me ONE reliable source confirming the things you are claiming. You won’t find one.

as someone who’s staunchly antiwar
^I am opposed to war, but am actually anti-military. Wars are gonna happen until all the despot assholes out there are dealt with. al Assad’s forces are killing, torturing and raping civilians – women, children, men – and the international community has a duty to not let innocent people be slaughtered by the thousands.

No one is pulling any wool over any eyes. There have been PLENTY of articles on BB about Obama’s unconstitutional drone bombings of US citizens so I don’t think your point is valid. I’m also sure BB editors are not interested in defending themselves to you.

Good point on Bahrain, Israel, Saudi Arabia. When their leaders start killing their civilians on the scale of the al Assad regime do you really think the world would stay silent? I have PERSONALLY bitched about Bahrain and Israel on BB so you can’t claim these ideas aren’t represented.

You need to understand that, while the FSA (not rebels, thanks) is a new group about which little is known, every NGO and the UN comes down on their side morally in this situation – based on their track record. Though considering the theme of your previous points I’d guess you think NGOs and the UN are also suckling at the teat of Western cultural imperialism.

By: teapot

teapot — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:57:00 +0000

Yes except it’s more like the guys who buy millions of dollars of crap from us are our friends. This is about le $$ and related military cooperation.

By: mitspanner

mitspanner — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:55:00 +0000

Certainly Russia’s armies of disinformation have their counterparts in the U.S, U.K and Israel. The fact that CD notices the Russian effort may speak to his bias or to their ineptitude.

In any case, the U.S. and its allies/clients attack Assad now, not because Assad is a bad man, but rather because they aim to undermine Iran.

By: teapot

teapot — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:54:00 +0000

Except al qaeda is actually a thing that represents a particular theology and most if not all of the rebels (including the Islamist ones) have stated that they’re not AQ and have no interest in reflecting AQ positions.

There is also PLENTY of information out there on them. This war didn’t just start yesterday.

By: teapot

teapot — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:49:00 +0000

Old conversation points are old.

America does fucked up shit but I’d take US fucked up shit over Russian, Chinese or Syrian fucked up shit any day – and I’m Australian!

By: Antinous / Moderator

Antinous / Moderator — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:35:00 +0000

I was somewhat pro-Putin a few years back because I think that someone needs to slap the US around occasionally. But he’s headed straight into ‘fascist dictator for life’ territory.

By: mitspanner

mitspanner — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:16:00 +0000

Putin fancies himself a counter weight to the Anglo/American hegemon. Someone needs to do it. Thus the enemy of my enemy is my friend. RT being an example of his good works.

By: Boundegar

Boundegar — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:12:00 +0000

I liked the one about Hillary Clinton.

By: ocschwar

ocschwar — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:34:00 +0000

You can mock the Syrian disinfo campaign for being so ham handed and failing basic plausibility, but be aware that they do this because it works.

By: Incipient Madness

Incipient Madness — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:51:00 +0000

Actually we do. I just heard on NPR that the State Department has taken the unusual position of labeling one of the groups that is fighting alongside the Syrian rebels a terrorist group affiliated with what’s left of Al Qaeda even as we generally support the rebellion.

By: Frank Lee Scarlett

Frank Lee Scarlett — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:39:00 +0000

Give ‘im a break. I think he’s just shilling his new band “plucky rebels.”

Who will get way more gigs once those nefarious meddling Democrats are out of the way!

By: Steve Pan

Steve Pan — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:32:00 +0000

And yet we hear nothing of the people trying to overthrow assad, who in a different context would be considered terrorist al qaeda fighters

By: amgunn

amgunn — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:25:00 +0000

I never saw a single nice post about all of Bush’s evil wars the whole time he was in office. Now that it’s Hillary and plucky rebels, you post their “cool military tech”, but I don’t see much about all the beheadings of prisoners, bombing of crowds, etc, etc.

I asked you questions because as someone who’s staunchly antiwar, it is disappointing to see you pull the wool over your eyes about exactly how much Western governments are involved in these “spontaneous” regime changes, and because I was giving you a chance to defend yourself. I see you have not taken it.

Russia funds Syria the same way the US funds Bahrain, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and on and on…and by the way, if you hadn’t noticed, there are people trying to start a war in Syria. Pretending that timely, inflammatory, and one-sided coverage of a country’s leadership is somehow unrelated to the process of warmongering is, to say the least, unworthy of intelligence of the BB crowd.

P.S. Our social networks are just as compromised. Military propagandists buy spoof accounts for Twitter, Facebook, reddit, etc. More pot calling kettle black.

By: Hugh Jorgan

Hugh Jorgan — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:10:00 +0000

It’s ok. I’m pretty sure he can’t read, just cut and paste.

By: Snig

Snig — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:05:00 +0000

Oh sure, tip him to the BB/CIA/Dem conspiracy when it just happens to be my night to follow him around. Thanks Hugh.

By: Hugh Jorgan

Hugh Jorgan — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 00:45:00 +0000

Sorry to break it to you, but there is plenty of that discussion. But we’ve hidden it because we didn’t want to invite you. You’re not really very popular right now? And so we thought it would be best to not be seen with you.

By: Antinous / Moderator

Antinous / Moderator — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 00:27:00 +0000

How come all your sentences end with question marks? And make broad, sweeping and inaccurate generalizations about BB’s coverage? And try to hijack the thread away from the subject of links between two dictators? And bring up the Democrats? Never mind, I have the answer to the last one; you always bring up the Democrats when you’re threadjacking.

By: amgunn

amgunn — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 00:21:00 +0000

How come there is never any discussion of the CIA’s legacy of dirty tricks and overthrowing governments (including Libya) on Boing Boing? Or their role in funding the Syrian rebels and a western PR campaign that is pro-regime change? Or the fact that you are/were a citizen of a country that has killed 100x as many Middle Easterners than Syria has in the last 10 years. Or the fact that the plucky Syrian rebels are religious zealots who have committed plenty of war crimes already as well? Not saying Assad and Putin are good guys, but Boing Boing’s coverage is sadly pro-violence when it comes to US/Western policy…as long as Democrats are in charge at least.

By: Brainspore

Brainspore — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 00:00:00 +0000

9/11 Conspiracy Theories tied to anti-Semitic interests? Why, I never.