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	<title>Comments on: Glowing full-moon&#160;credenza</title>
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		<title>By: Cory Doctorow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1616360</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory Doctorow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &quot; Taking someone&#039;s design and copying it (or advocating the copying of it) is scummy.&quot;

Then every single professional designer of my acquaintance is &quot;scummy,&quot; because, without exception, every single one of them began her or his career with this step, and routinely engages in this activity as a means of understanding her or his trade. 

To argue that designers and makers shouldn&#039;t copy the things that they like is like arguing that musicians shouldn&#039;t sing other peoples&#039; songs. 

I have, and will continue, to advocate that makers duplicate the things that they love. I learned to write by literally copying out the passages that inspired me, in the same way that my daughter learned to speak by copying the words she heard. Copying is the only path to mastery. I promise you that the designer of this credenza began his career by duplicating the works he found inspiring. I further guarantee that this designer saw various iterations of moons and credenzas and luminescent design, and made this design by copying the elements of other designs he found pleasant. 

Copying is life. Literally. We are descended from molecules that figured out how to copy themselves 4 billion years ago. Every novelist copies Cervantes. Every detective story copies Poe. The school backpack only dates to the mid-1960s, and every designer who&#039;s made a non-hiking pack since then has copied the two designers who had the idea of (copying) a hiking pack at a smaller scale for students to carry.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &#8221; Taking someone&#8217;s design and copying it (or advocating the copying of it) is scummy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then every single professional designer of my acquaintance is &#8220;scummy,&#8221; because, without exception, every single one of them began her or his career with this step, and routinely engages in this activity as a means of understanding her or his trade. </p>
<p>To argue that designers and makers shouldn&#8217;t copy the things that they like is like arguing that musicians shouldn&#8217;t sing other peoples&#8217; songs. </p>
<p>I have, and will continue, to advocate that makers duplicate the things that they love. I learned to write by literally copying out the passages that inspired me, in the same way that my daughter learned to speak by copying the words she heard. Copying is the only path to mastery. I promise you that the designer of this credenza began his career by duplicating the works he found inspiring. I further guarantee that this designer saw various iterations of moons and credenzas and luminescent design, and made this design by copying the elements of other designs he found pleasant. </p>
<p>Copying is life. Literally. We are descended from molecules that figured out how to copy themselves 4 billion years ago. Every novelist copies Cervantes. Every detective story copies Poe. The school backpack only dates to the mid-1960s, and every designer who&#8217;s made a non-hiking pack since then has copied the two designers who had the idea of (copying) a hiking pack at a smaller scale for students to carry.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim O'Connell</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615934</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim O'Connell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How so?  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How so?  </p>
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		<title>By: Charlie B</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615883</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Troll.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim O'Connell</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615559</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim O'Connell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, it&#039;s not complicated, but that doesn&#039;t make it right. Taking someone&#039;s design and copying it (or advocating the copying of it) is scummy.

For a site that usually takes the side of artists and creators, your attitude surprises me.  Here&#039;s an artist/designer who has come up with a piece that&#039;s striking and somewhat original and you&#039;re saying he has no moral right to have his creativity respected.

Cory, you were wrong to suggest that people create their own knock-offs, no matter the scale of their production or the monetary harm if would or wouldn&#039;t cause.  

It&#039;s about having respect for those who come up with cool things.

This is no different from that skateboard truck lazy susan table you blogged a while back.  &quot;expensive and ripe for a homebrew remake&quot; is how you termed it. (It was $1,800.)  Later there was a boingboing post on how to make them for $70 and now you can buy ugly copies on Etsy for $100.  

Yes, I believe that hurt the original designer and you had a hand in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, it&#8217;s not complicated, but that doesn&#8217;t make it right. Taking someone&#8217;s design and copying it (or advocating the copying of it) is scummy.</p>
<p>For a site that usually takes the side of artists and creators, your attitude surprises me.  Here&#8217;s an artist/designer who has come up with a piece that&#8217;s striking and somewhat original and you&#8217;re saying he has no moral right to have his creativity respected.</p>
<p>Cory, you were wrong to suggest that people create their own knock-offs, no matter the scale of their production or the monetary harm if would or wouldn&#8217;t cause.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s about having respect for those who come up with cool things.</p>
<p>This is no different from that skateboard truck lazy susan table you blogged a while back.  &#8221;expensive and ripe for a homebrew remake&#8221; is how you termed it. (It was $1,800.)  Later there was a boingboing post on how to make them for $70 and now you can buy ugly copies on Etsy for $100.  </p>
<p>Yes, I believe that hurt the original designer and you had a hand in it.</p>
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		<title>By: wrybread</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615490</link>
		<dc:creator>wrybread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 17:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, so good.

And please, lord, don&#039;t let that song stick in my head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, so good.</p>
<p>And please, lord, don&#8217;t let that song stick in my head.</p>
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		<title>By: wrybread</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615489</link>
		<dc:creator>wrybread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 17:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I think that&#039;s better, since I&#039;ve never seen anything self glowy that glowed particularly well, especially for any period of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I think that&#8217;s better, since I&#8217;ve never seen anything self glowy that glowed particularly well, especially for any period of time.</p>
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		<title>By: timquinn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615465</link>
		<dc:creator>timquinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, he didn&#039;t invent wrapping stuff in photos or the moon or credenzas so what are we getting all het up about being stolen here? If you take Cory&#039;s suggestion that one could try this at home and then conclude that one should build an exact replica of what is in the picture then you lack imagination and faith and need to go back to kindergarten and listen this time about sharing stuff and not being a baby about it when it does not belong to you anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, he didn&#8217;t invent wrapping stuff in photos or the moon or credenzas so what are we getting all het up about being stolen here? If you take Cory&#8217;s suggestion that one could try this at home and then conclude that one should build an exact replica of what is in the picture then you lack imagination and faith and need to go back to kindergarten and listen this time about sharing stuff and not being a baby about it when it does not belong to you anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Wreckrob8</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615451</link>
		<dc:creator>Wreckrob8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The word comes from 16th century Italy and means belief. It referred to the act of food tasting by the servant of an important person - lord, cardinal, Pope - to check for poison. The name migrated from the act to the room where this took place and thence to the piece of furniture where food was placed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word comes from 16th century Italy and means belief. It referred to the act of food tasting by the servant of an important person &#8211; lord, cardinal, Pope &#8211; to check for poison. The name migrated from the act to the room where this took place and thence to the piece of furniture where food was placed.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Doctorow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615441</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory Doctorow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really not complicated.

Making a commercial-scale, unacknowledged replica of a designer&#039;s design is plagiarism. It may also be a copyright infringement, but the real issue is that it&#039;s intellectually dishonest.

Seeing something nice in a shop (or on the web) and figuring out how it&#039;s made and doing it  at home for yourself or for a gift for a friend is neither infringement nor is it plagiarism. It&#039;s both honest and desirable -- and what&#039;s more, it&#039;s how most designers have learned their trade in the first place.

Honestly, this is so simple that I can&#039;t figure out exactly what your point is. This designer made a &quot;enquire for pricing&quot; limited run of 24 credenzas. Do you seriously think that it harms him in any way, any imaginable way, for individual makers who think he had a nice idea, to go shopping for junk-shop furniture and trying to see if they can replicate the effect in their own homes? 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really not complicated.</p>
<p>Making a commercial-scale, unacknowledged replica of a designer&#8217;s design is plagiarism. It may also be a copyright infringement, but the real issue is that it&#8217;s intellectually dishonest.</p>
<p>Seeing something nice in a shop (or on the web) and figuring out how it&#8217;s made and doing it  at home for yourself or for a gift for a friend is neither infringement nor is it plagiarism. It&#8217;s both honest and desirable &#8212; and what&#8217;s more, it&#8217;s how most designers have learned their trade in the first place.</p>
<p>Honestly, this is so simple that I can&#8217;t figure out exactly what your point is. This designer made a &#8220;enquire for pricing&#8221; limited run of 24 credenzas. Do you seriously think that it harms him in any way, any imaginable way, for individual makers who think he had a nice idea, to go shopping for junk-shop furniture and trying to see if they can replicate the effect in their own homes? </p>
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		<title>By: Peter Brülls</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615437</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Brülls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 07:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>States&#039;s shapes + material and finish + heart as a hole.

Something that&#039;s virtually indistinguishable from the original is y copy, not a homage or using the same idea. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>States&#8217;s shapes + material and finish + heart as a hole.</p>
<p>Something that&#8217;s virtually indistinguishable from the original is y copy, not a homage or using the same idea. </p>
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		<title>By: Jim O'Connell</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615430</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim O'Connell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 06:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it&#039;s OK when Boingboing advocates it, but not OK when Urban Outfitters does it?
http://boingboing.net/2011/05/26/did-urban-outfitters-1.html
Oh, wait, are the states&#039; shapes copyrighted yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it&#8217;s OK when Boingboing advocates it, but not OK when Urban Outfitters does it?<br />
<a href="http://boingboing.net/2011/05/26/did-urban-outfitters-1.html" rel="nofollow">http://boingboing.net/2011/05/26/did-urban-outfitters-1.html</a><br />
Oh, wait, are the states&#8217; shapes copyrighted yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615420</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 05:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, it&#039;s the fucking moon.  It&#039;s not copyrighted or trademarked.  Yet.

Besides, I bought a book a couple of years ago with a huge glow-in-the-dark moon on the cover.  Clearly this furniture designer is just a thief, a pirate, a veritable murderer of originality and eater of babies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, it&#8217;s the fucking moon.  It&#8217;s not copyrighted or trademarked.  Yet.</p>
<p>Besides, I bought a book a couple of years ago with a huge glow-in-the-dark moon on the cover.  Clearly this furniture designer is just a thief, a pirate, a veritable murderer of originality and eater of babies.</p>
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		<title>By: KWillets</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615416</link>
		<dc:creator>KWillets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 04:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s three wolves short of a T-shirt.</description>
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		<title>By: blueelm</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615412</link>
		<dc:creator>blueelm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 03:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So true. My art degree taught me two things: 1.) If it is a good idea then steal it and make it either better or more famous and  2.) If you want it then figure out how to make it because there&#039;s no way in fucking hell you&#039;ll ever be able to afford it.

But more seriously this idea of individual genius just as to die the mythological hero&#039;s death it always deserved to. Seriously, it is way overdue for sleeping with its mother and killing its father before facing the wrath of the furies... or furries maybe.

We&#039;re stupid. Therein lies our genius.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true. My art degree taught me two things: 1.) If it is a good idea then steal it and make it either better or more famous and  2.) If you want it then figure out how to make it because there&#8217;s no way in fucking hell you&#8217;ll ever be able to afford it.</p>
<p>But more seriously this idea of individual genius just as to die the mythological hero&#8217;s death it always deserved to. Seriously, it is way overdue for sleeping with its mother and killing its father before facing the wrath of the furies&#8230; or furries maybe.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re stupid. Therein lies our genius.</p>
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		<title>By: Conan Librarian</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615409</link>
		<dc:creator>Conan Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 03:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;ripping off&quot;

See, now this just makes it clear you are not an artist. It&#039;s called; &quot;homage&quot;, or  &quot;influenced&quot;, or &quot;inspired&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;ripping off&#8221;</p>
<p>See, now this just makes it clear you are not an artist. It&#8217;s called; &#8220;homage&#8221;, or  &#8220;influenced&#8221;, or &#8220;inspired&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Conan Librarian</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615406</link>
		<dc:creator>Conan Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 03:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe If we all click the bigger ads all at the same time!</description>
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		<title>By: Jim O'Connell</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615405</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim O'Connell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 03:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;This&#039;d be a fun remake/refurb project for junk-shop furniture&quot;&lt;/em&gt;...or you could think up something equally cool of your own that wouldn&#039;t be ripping off this designer&#039;s idea...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;This&#8217;d be a fun remake/refurb project for junk-shop furniture&#8221;</em>&#8230;or you could think up something equally cool of your own that wouldn&#8217;t be ripping off this designer&#8217;s idea&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615387</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 01:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely we can afford one of these for the BB lair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely we can afford one of these for the BB lair.</p>
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		<title>By: morcheeba</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615376</link>
		<dc:creator>morcheeba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2012 23:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can listen to it here: http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can listen to it here: http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song</p>
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		<title>By: jimkirk</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615369</link>
		<dc:creator>jimkirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2012 22:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has its own theme music!

&quot;Ships with an accompanying CD of original music designed specifically for this piece.&quot;</description>
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<p>&#8220;Ships with an accompanying CD of original music designed specifically for this piece.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Wood</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615363</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2012 21:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I put it under: Cool shit I can&#039;t have because I&#039;m a lycanthrope.
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		<title>By: capawesome</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615359</link>
		<dc:creator>capawesome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2012 21:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Post this under: Cool shit you can&#039;t have because you have kids. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Post this under: Cool shit you can&#8217;t have because you have kids. </p>
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		<title>By: noah django</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615358</link>
		<dc:creator>noah django</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2012 21:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>want </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>want </p>
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		<title>By: Jesseham</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615357</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesseham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2012 21:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When last I read about this (reddit, I think) it was discovered to only be black-light glowy and not really self-lit.

Still, pretty wicked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When last I read about this (reddit, I think) it was discovered to only be black-light glowy and not really self-lit.</p>
<p>Still, pretty wicked.</p>
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		<title>By: Noctilucent Studios</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615355</link>
		<dc:creator>Noctilucent Studios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2012 21:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wished I hadn&#039;t seen this. I wouldn&#039;t be able to stop with just the moon...I&#039;d have to get all the planets and there just isin&#039;t enough space! Curse you internets with all your awesome ideas and shit....and stuff. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wished I hadn&#8217;t seen this. I wouldn&#8217;t be able to stop with just the moon&#8230;I&#8217;d have to get all the planets and there just isin&#8217;t enough space! Curse you internets with all your awesome ideas and shit&#8230;.and stuff. </p>
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		<title>By: Jake0748</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/25/glowing-full-moon-credenza.html#comment-1615347</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake0748</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2012 20:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zowie!  I want one.  Is it too late for Santa?    

(Also - credenza, what a great word).  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zowie!  I want one.  Is it too late for Santa?    </p>
<p>(Also &#8211; credenza, what a great word).  </p>
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