Comments on: China's Princelings: descendants of Mao's generals who control the country's wealth http://boingboing.net/2012/12/28/chinas-princelings-descenda.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Sat, 25 May 2013 01:25:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: MarlboroTestMonkey7 http://boingboing.net/2012/12/28/chinas-princelings-descenda.html#comment-1617440 MarlboroTestMonkey7 Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:25:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203053#comment-1617440 If tomorrow they proclaimed themselves as emperors no one would oppose, the basic form of goverment, the domination of the masses hasn't changed since the times of kings. If tomorrow they proclaimed themselves as emperors no one would oppose, the basic form of goverment, the domination of the masses hasn’t changed since the times of kings.

]]> By: CHilke http://boingboing.net/2012/12/28/chinas-princelings-descenda.html#comment-1617276 CHilke Sat, 29 Dec 2012 20:41:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203053#comment-1617276 Everybody have fun tonight...    ...everybody Wang Jun tonight. Everybody have fun tonight…
   …everybody Wang Jun tonight.

]]> By: CLamb http://boingboing.net/2012/12/28/chinas-princelings-descenda.html#comment-1617221 CLamb Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:19:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203053#comment-1617221 In the beginning of the PRC owning property was a capital crime--now party members are making fortunes doing it.  I am reminded of Animal Farm. In the beginning of the PRC owning property was a capital crime–now party members are making fortunes doing it.  I am reminded of Animal Farm.

]]> By: unclegabby http://boingboing.net/2012/12/28/chinas-princelings-descenda.html#comment-1617179 unclegabby Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:13:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203053#comment-1617179 Wonder how much money they have made from producing goods for Walmart and other importers, and their customers. Wonder how much money they have made from producing goods for Walmart and other importers, and their customers.

]]> By: Boris Bartlog http://boingboing.net/2012/12/28/chinas-princelings-descenda.html#comment-1617159 Boris Bartlog Sat, 29 Dec 2012 14:51:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203053#comment-1617159 Iceland. Maybe. You could also argue for Somalia but I guess the people that run it are probably oligarchs by local standards, i.e. it just doesn't look like an oligarchy to use 'cause their oligarchs have to spend so much of their income on weapons instead of influence... Iceland. Maybe. You could also argue for Somalia but I guess the people that run it are probably oligarchs by local standards, i.e. it just doesn’t look like an oligarchy to use ’cause their oligarchs have to spend so much of their income on weapons instead of influence…

]]> By: Wreckrob8 http://boingboing.net/2012/12/28/chinas-princelings-descenda.html#comment-1617081 Wreckrob8 Sat, 29 Dec 2012 07:52:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203053#comment-1617081 Deng was purged twice during the Cultural Revolution. You have to wonder what might have happened had Zhou Enlai outlived Mao. China IS the state. To abolish the state is to abolish China. The interests of the Communist Party, whatever its policies and whatever its name can only become synonymous with the interests of the state. Zhou Enlai, a traditional Chinese statesman and administrator, may have been able to moderate the excesses of the Party after the death of Mao. Where or how Marx fits in in Communist China, I do not know. Deng was purged twice during the Cultural Revolution. You have to wonder what might have happened had Zhou Enlai outlived Mao. China IS the state. To abolish the state is to abolish China. The interests of the Communist Party, whatever its policies and whatever its name can only become synonymous with the interests of the state. Zhou Enlai, a traditional Chinese statesman and administrator, may have been able to moderate the excesses of the Party after the death of Mao. Where or how Marx fits in in Communist China, I do not know.

]]> By: humanresource http://boingboing.net/2012/12/28/chinas-princelings-descenda.html#comment-1617071 humanresource Sat, 29 Dec 2012 06:57:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203053#comment-1617071 This is the bit that jumps out at me: "Chen Yun, the architect of China’s planned economy, wanted to keep control of the state in the hands of Party veterans and their families, and Deng agreed." I guess that's predictable enough, but it confirms a suspicion I've had: instead of the common view that china's leaders are capitalist pigs pretending to be communists, they're really communists pretending to be capitalist pigs. This is the bit that jumps out at me: “Chen Yun, the architect of China’s planned economy, wanted to keep control of the state in the hands of Party veterans and their families, and Deng agreed.”
I guess that’s predictable enough, but it confirms a suspicion I’ve had: instead of the common view that china’s leaders are capitalist pigs pretending to be communists, they’re really communists pretending to be capitalist pigs.

]]> By: Wreckrob8 http://boingboing.net/2012/12/28/chinas-princelings-descenda.html#comment-1617069 Wreckrob8 Sat, 29 Dec 2012 06:47:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203053#comment-1617069 Mao: The Communist Party does not fear criticism because we are Marxists, the truth is on our side, and the basic masses, the workers and peasants, are on our side. Speech at the Chinese Communist Party's National Conference on Propaganda Work (March 12, 1957), 1st pocket ed., p. 14. Mao:

The Communist Party does not fear criticism because we are Marxists, the truth is on our side, and the basic masses, the workers and peasants, are on our side.

Speech at the Chinese Communist Party’s National Conference on Propaganda Work (March 12, 1957), 1st pocket ed., p. 14.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/12/28/chinas-princelings-descenda.html#comment-1617050 Antinous / Moderator Sat, 29 Dec 2012 05:55:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203053#comment-1617050 <blockquote>I was commenting on the topic of the post.</blockquote>You must be new to the internet.

I was commenting on the topic of the post.

You must be new to the internet.

]]> By: Gilbert Wham http://boingboing.net/2012/12/28/chinas-princelings-descenda.html#comment-1617049 Gilbert Wham Sat, 29 Dec 2012 05:54:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203053#comment-1617049  Yes, but are they <i>fatter</i>?  Yes, but are they fatter?

]]> By: Xof http://boingboing.net/2012/12/28/chinas-princelings-descenda.html#comment-1617036 Xof Sat, 29 Dec 2012 05:05:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203053#comment-1617036 Our oligarchy is bigger than their oligarchy. Our oligarchy is bigger than their oligarchy.

]]> By: SomeGuyNamedMark http://boingboing.net/2012/12/28/chinas-princelings-descenda.html#comment-1617032 SomeGuyNamedMark Sat, 29 Dec 2012 04:50:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203053#comment-1617032  Report for reeducation  Report for reeducation

]]> By: Finnagain http://boingboing.net/2012/12/28/chinas-princelings-descenda.html#comment-1617012 Finnagain Sat, 29 Dec 2012 04:20:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203053#comment-1617012  Which is good! Personally, I love and admire all who take advantage of the State's generous programs to be further educated. Those who do not see the value in these opportunities may not be of the best body.  Which is good! Personally, I love and admire all who take advantage of the State’s generous programs to be further educated.

Those who do not see the value in these opportunities may not be of the best body.

]]> By: margaretpoa http://boingboing.net/2012/12/28/chinas-princelings-descenda.html#comment-1616992 margaretpoa Sat, 29 Dec 2012 03:47:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203053#comment-1616992 No, there really isn't but I wasn't attempting to evaluate the socio-political systems of the entire world. I was commenting on the topic of the post. No, there really isn’t but I wasn’t attempting to evaluate the socio-political systems of the entire world. I was commenting on the topic of the post.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/12/28/chinas-princelings-descenda.html#comment-1616982 Antinous / Moderator Sat, 29 Dec 2012 03:33:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203053#comment-1616982 Is there any country that isn't run by an oligarchy? I guess you could say that Robert Mugabe is an absolute monarch. Is there any country that isn’t run by an oligarchy? I guess you could say that Robert Mugabe is an absolute monarch.

]]> By: margaretpoa http://boingboing.net/2012/12/28/chinas-princelings-descenda.html#comment-1616979 margaretpoa Sat, 29 Dec 2012 03:27:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203053#comment-1616979 Great wealth for the privileged few seems to be a feature of Asian "communism" which more closely resembles Oligarchy than a communal strategy. Look at the ruling family of North Korea: The only fat people in the entire country are related to them. Great wealth for the privileged few seems to be a feature of Asian “communism” which more closely resembles Oligarchy than a communal strategy. Look at the ruling family of North Korea: The only fat people in the entire country are related to them.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/12/28/chinas-princelings-descenda.html#comment-1616969 Antinous / Moderator Sat, 29 Dec 2012 03:19:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203053#comment-1616969 "Great, glorious and correct" is the usual formulation. You wouldn't want to be incorrect. That can lead to lengthy stays in the countryside. “Great, glorious and correct” is the usual formulation. You wouldn’t want to be incorrect. That can lead to lengthy stays in the countryside.

]]> By: fuzzyfuzzyfungus http://boingboing.net/2012/12/28/chinas-princelings-descenda.html#comment-1616950 fuzzyfuzzyfungus Sat, 29 Dec 2012 02:33:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203053#comment-1616950 Er, um, "to get rich is glorious!". Comrades? Er, um, “to get rich is glorious!”. Comrades?

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