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	<title>Comments on: Is a $10,000 Leica M9 setup worth&#160;it?</title>
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		<title>By: Terry Carroll</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/12/28/is-a-10000-leica-m9-setup-wo.html#comment-1618700</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 23:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! Fixed. (It won&#039;t make much sense to newcomers -- seeing &#039; rather than &quot; in my post -- but, assured, your comment goes to eleven.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! Fixed. (It won&#8217;t make much sense to newcomers &#8212; seeing &#8216; rather than &#8221; in my post &#8212; but, assured, your comment goes to eleven.)</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio Carrasco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonio Carrasco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bet I could outshoot him with my $600 Nikon D3200 plus my $220 Nikon 50mm 1.8 lens.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bet I could outshoot him with my $600 Nikon D3200 plus my $220 Nikon 50mm 1.8 lens.  </p>
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		<title>By: cmdrfire</title>
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		<dc:creator>cmdrfire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This bothered me (amongst many other things):
&quot;The M9 is obtuse in other ways, too. It has almost no controls and zero convenience features.&quot;

What does he mean it has almost no controls? Aperture/focussing ring are on the lens, there&#039;s a shutter speed dial on the top, and there is an ISO adjust button (which you use with the menu ring). The only thing I can think of that&#039;s not easily to-hand is the exposure comp - that is a bit of a nuisance as it&#039;s a submenu but usually I set it once for the scene at hand and leave it at that...


/M9 user who is not a celebrity or a member of the &quot;glitterati&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This bothered me (amongst many other things):<br />
&#8220;The M9 is obtuse in other ways, too. It has almost no controls and zero convenience features.&#8221;</p>
<p>What does he mean it has almost no controls? Aperture/focussing ring are on the lens, there&#8217;s a shutter speed dial on the top, and there is an ISO adjust button (which you use with the menu ring). The only thing I can think of that&#8217;s not easily to-hand is the exposure comp &#8211; that is a bit of a nuisance as it&#8217;s a submenu but usually I set it once for the scene at hand and leave it at that&#8230;</p>
<p>/M9 user who is not a celebrity or a member of the &#8220;glitterati&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 07:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Making assumptions eh?
I bet 95% of people who buy the new D800 simply use full automatic mode the entire time that they are shooting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Making assumptions eh?<br />
I bet 95% of people who buy the new D800 simply use full automatic mode the entire time that they are shooting.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Sluis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Sluis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 00:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even worse, the guy is clearly a techie.  Nothing wrong with that in general, but the photo world is plagued by people who love fancy toys but can&#039;t make a good image to save their life.  Gear reviews are all but worthless without bona fides by way of a quality body of work.

His wife is a pro photog, but her work is fairly run-of-the-mill washed out wedding fare.  Nothing wrong with it (well, depending on who you&#039;re asking), but nothing special either.

For such a famous and well-reviewed camera, this is an odd review to choose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even worse, the guy is clearly a techie.  Nothing wrong with that in general, but the photo world is plagued by people who love fancy toys but can&#8217;t make a good image to save their life.  Gear reviews are all but worthless without bona fides by way of a quality body of work.</p>
<p>His wife is a pro photog, but her work is fairly run-of-the-mill washed out wedding fare.  Nothing wrong with it (well, depending on who you&#8217;re asking), but nothing special either.</p>
<p>For such a famous and well-reviewed camera, this is an odd review to choose.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2012 22:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Maybe for you that&#039;s the case, it isn&#039;t and hasn&#039;t been for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Maybe for you that&#8217;s the case, it isn&#8217;t and hasn&#8217;t been for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Saul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Saul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2012 14:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has Salgado switched back?

He&#039;s a perfect choice if you want to demonstrate that, while Leica film cameras were/are excellent, their digital cameras made him abandon them when he went digital. 

In every interview I can find he says that he first switched to a medium format Pentax, and now uses a custom-modified Canon 1D.

He has expressed hope in interviews that Leica will one day make digital cameras that he can use, and that the S2 seemed promising but it wasn&#039;t there yet.

I&#039;d love to see images he has taken with a Leica digital if you can find a link.

Thanks for mentioning him though - here&#039;s a sample of what he&#039;s producing with digital now:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/gallery/2012/dec/07/photography-sebastiao-salgado-genesis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has Salgado switched back?</p>
<p>He&#8217;s a perfect choice if you want to demonstrate that, while Leica film cameras were/are excellent, their digital cameras made him abandon them when he went digital. </p>
<p>In every interview I can find he says that he first switched to a medium format Pentax, and now uses a custom-modified Canon 1D.</p>
<p>He has expressed hope in interviews that Leica will one day make digital cameras that he can use, and that the S2 seemed promising but it wasn&#8217;t there yet.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see images he has taken with a Leica digital if you can find a link.</p>
<p>Thanks for mentioning him though &#8211; here&#8217;s a sample of what he&#8217;s producing with digital now:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/gallery/2012/dec/07/photography-sebastiao-salgado-genesis" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/gallery/2012/dec/07/photography-sebastiao-salgado-genesis</a></p>
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		<title>By: destroy_all_humans</title>
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		<dc:creator>destroy_all_humans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you can have a camera hand assembled in germany, or you can have a camera thrown together on a line in china/thailand. your choice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you can have a camera hand assembled in germany, or you can have a camera thrown together on a line in china/thailand. your choice</p>
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		<title>By: Stickarm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stickarm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2012 09:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;it&#039;s focused at 3&quot;; 6&quot;; 10&quot;; etc.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Your comment is great, easily the most informative one so far, and I clicked the &quot;Like&quot; button myself, but I want to point out that if you keep using quotation marks to mean feet you&#039;re likely to wind up with a Stonehenge monument that is danger of being crushed by a dwarf, as the saying goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>it&#8217;s focused at 3&#8243;; 6&#8243;; 10&#8243;; etc.</p></blockquote>
<p>Your comment is great, easily the most informative one so far, and I clicked the &#8220;Like&#8221; button myself, but I want to point out that if you keep using quotation marks to mean feet you&#8217;re likely to wind up with a Stonehenge monument that is danger of being crushed by a dwarf, as the saying goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Ladyfingers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ladyfingers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2012 04:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> It also make composing a a shot of only one thing really easy, since blurred periphery obviates the need to establish spatial relationships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> It also make composing a a shot of only one thing really easy, since blurred periphery obviates the need to establish spatial relationships.</p>
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		<title>By: ashypete</title>
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		<dc:creator>ashypete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2012 03:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Yes - for instance, check this comparison with an OM-D: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2012/11/16/the-crazy-comparison-returns-the-999-olympus-om-d-vs-the-7995-leica-monochrom/
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Yes &#8211; for instance, check this comparison with an OM-D: <a href="http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2012/11/16/the-crazy-comparison-returns-the-999-olympus-om-d-vs-the-7995-leica-monochrom/" rel="nofollow">http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2012/11/16/the-crazy-comparison-returns-the-999-olympus-om-d-vs-the-7995-leica-monochrom/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2012 00:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is going to take more than a few days to determine the Leica rangefinder is a useful tool. Marco needed to rent it for a month if he is serious about it.

Some people find a Leica rangefinder reconnects them with their love of photography, for instance: 

 Leica M-E - why it&#039;s worth the money - Guardian photographer Sarah Lee on the camera that has reinvigorated her passion for photography, and how to justify the cost attached to it
http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/photography-blog/2012/dec/28/leica-m-e-rangefinder-photography

or: http://amanwithaleica.tumblr.com/

Personally I&#039;ve always been more of a b&amp;w film SLR person. Those cameras were alot smaller than these modern DSLR tanks we can haul about now. Thus one&#039;s direct involvement with the scene, and the making of an image was one that was more connected than the DSLR experience.

So I am a bit intrigued with Leica&#039;s M Monochrom offering: http://us.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/m_monochrom/

Although early on, the ability to  see a scene more clearly directly through the lens I use, was my preference. Considering too that Leica&#039;s were never cheap in the currency of any day only made my preference easier to live with, while noting that Leica&#039;s seemed to be more of a fashion accessory for the glitterati once I noticed them about.

I was a bit unnerved yesterday when I saw a comment that the old Leica lenses used whale oil, so they tend to fog with age. Personally I quite prefer the company of whales to any Leica lens I might be induced to desire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is going to take more than a few days to determine the Leica rangefinder is a useful tool. Marco needed to rent it for a month if he is serious about it.</p>
<p>Some people find a Leica rangefinder reconnects them with their love of photography, for instance: </p>
<p> Leica M-E &#8211; why it&#8217;s worth the money &#8211; Guardian photographer Sarah Lee on the camera that has reinvigorated her passion for photography, and how to justify the cost attached to it<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/photography-blog/2012/dec/28/leica-m-e-rangefinder-photography" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/photography-blog/2012/dec/28/leica-m-e-rangefinder-photography</a></p>
<p>or: <a href="http://amanwithaleica.tumblr.com/" rel="nofollow">http://amanwithaleica.tumblr.com/</a></p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;ve always been more of a b&amp;w film SLR person. Those cameras were alot smaller than these modern DSLR tanks we can haul about now. Thus one&#8217;s direct involvement with the scene, and the making of an image was one that was more connected than the DSLR experience.</p>
<p>So I am a bit intrigued with Leica&#8217;s M Monochrom offering: <a href="http://us.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/m_monochrom/" rel="nofollow">http://us.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/m_monochrom/</a></p>
<p>Although early on, the ability to  see a scene more clearly directly through the lens I use, was my preference. Considering too that Leica&#8217;s were never cheap in the currency of any day only made my preference easier to live with, while noting that Leica&#8217;s seemed to be more of a fashion accessory for the glitterati once I noticed them about.</p>
<p>I was a bit unnerved yesterday when I saw a comment that the old Leica lenses used whale oil, so they tend to fog with age. Personally I quite prefer the company of whales to any Leica lens I might be induced to desire.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnnyLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnnyLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 22:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow..good to know. :) Looks like the new M is switching to CMOS from what I read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow..good to know. :) Looks like the new M is switching to CMOS from what I read.</p>
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		<title>By: Doran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 22:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. I can even think of useful applications beyond just taking pretty B&amp;W photos. But this ain&#039;t the camera I&#039;ll be using to snap photos while I&#039;m wandering the streets of L.A. At least not until I win the Lottery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. I can even think of useful applications beyond just taking pretty B&amp;W photos. But this ain&#8217;t the camera I&#8217;ll be using to snap photos while I&#8217;m wandering the streets of L.A. At least not until I win the Lottery.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Keir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Keir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 21:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you were under the impression that the article was about contemporary DSLRs, you (1) do not understand that a Leica is a rangefinder, not a DSLR, and (2) shouldn&#039;t have thrown in your dismissive comment about celebrities. No one&#039;s asserting that they are the tool of choice for pros these days (that&#039;s the Canon/Nikon DSLR), but they&#039;re hardly celebrity only toys either. They&#039;re specialized tools these days, not because they&#039;re expensive but because the rangefinder itself is a specialized tool.

Try Sebastio Salgado for someone who&#039;s using Leica in the 21st Century. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you were under the impression that the article was about contemporary DSLRs, you (1) do not understand that a Leica is a rangefinder, not a DSLR, and (2) shouldn&#8217;t have thrown in your dismissive comment about celebrities. No one&#8217;s asserting that they are the tool of choice for pros these days (that&#8217;s the Canon/Nikon DSLR), but they&#8217;re hardly celebrity only toys either. They&#8217;re specialized tools these days, not because they&#8217;re expensive but because the rangefinder itself is a specialized tool.</p>
<p>Try Sebastio Salgado for someone who&#8217;s using Leica in the 21st Century. </p>
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		<title>By: Jim Saul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Saul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 21:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, you&#039;re talking about film! Well that&#039;s quite different.

I was under the apparently mistaken impression that the article was about contemporary DSLRs, not 20th century film cameras.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, you&#8217;re talking about film! Well that&#8217;s quite different.</p>
<p>I was under the apparently mistaken impression that the article was about contemporary DSLRs, not 20th century film cameras.</p>
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		<title>By: Dlo Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dlo Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 20:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the reason people love bokeh now is the new focus on minimalism, and that it gives a subtle &#039;glittery&#039; feel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the reason people love bokeh now is the new focus on minimalism, and that it gives a subtle &#8216;glittery&#8217; feel.</p>
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		<title>By: Dlo Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dlo Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 20:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve gotten some serious stink-eye just for wandering around town with a camera on my neck. But since I don&#039;t take pics of kids and have never had the cops called on me I figure fuck&#039;em, I&#039;ll keep doing what I want to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve gotten some serious stink-eye just for wandering around town with a camera on my neck. But since I don&#8217;t take pics of kids and have never had the cops called on me I figure fuck&#8217;em, I&#8217;ll keep doing what I want to do.</p>
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		<title>By: soap</title>
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		<dc:creator>soap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 20:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is still a shutter, and without the mirror flapping, air movement inside the camera body will be less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is still a shutter, and without the mirror flapping, air movement inside the camera body will be less.</p>
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		<title>By: Dlo Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dlo Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 20:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the thing I worry about mirrorless cameras is to be constantly cleaning the sensor. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the thing I worry about mirrorless cameras is to be constantly cleaning the sensor. </p>
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		<title>By: soap</title>
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		<dc:creator>soap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your link doesn&#039;t defend your claim.

Perspective distortion is solely a matter of the ratio of distances in a composition.  The distance ratio depends on the camera placement.  

Retrofocus lens design does not impact on either of these factors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your link doesn&#8217;t defend your claim.</p>
<p>Perspective distortion is solely a matter of the ratio of distances in a composition.  The distance ratio depends on the camera placement.  </p>
<p>Retrofocus lens design does not impact on either of these factors.</p>
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		<title>By: soap</title>
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		<dc:creator>soap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for saving me the effort.

Perspective = camera distance from subject, regardless of focal length.</description>
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<p>Perspective = camera distance from subject, regardless of focal length.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott McDonough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott McDonough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t speak to the M9, I have a used M8 I picked up four years ago, but here&#039;s my take: 

First let me agree with the critics, Leicas are absurdly expensive. It&#039;s a combination of the Leica &quot;name&quot; (sometimes called the &quot;Leica Tax&quot;), the collector&#039;s market and the fact that they are still hand manufactured by the &quot;Gnomes at Solms.&quot; The rangefinder in particular is a complicated mechanical part, as is the linkage between the rangefinder and lens. The lenses are similarly made (I hear it takes a year to make a Noctilux). Luckily you can find lenses on the used market (advantages of keeping the same lens mount for 50+ years) and Cosina/Zeiss make some nice, cheaper alternatives to the Leica glass.

Technically, digital Leica rangefinders are also well behind the times. High ISO performance is poor compared to the latest and greatest in the SLR world.

That said, I enjoy shooting with my Leica more than any other camera (aside from the Epson R-D1 that got me started in the rangefinder world). It feels comfortable in my hand. The weight is right for extended use (I carried it around for 12 hours a day on a trip to the South Caucasus with no discomfort). The lenses are tiny, so the whole kit fits in a small bag. I find focusing with the rangefinder suits me, since you can see beyond the frame and I find it easier to pinpoint focus (I can&#039;t say I&#039;m very fast though). I also like the physical controls (shutter speed, aperture), and I have learned a lot about photography from using them.

I also find I like the images I produce with the Leica more than those I take with others. I think it encourages me to be more deliberate in my shooting, and some combination of the lenses and sensor gives a rather appealing rendition of my subject (you might be able to get the same look with a Lightroom profile, but I haven&#039;t found it yet).

So, basically what I&#039;m saying is this. Find a camera you like using and stick with it. I have more fun and get pictures I love with my under spec-ed and overpriced Leica. If you don&#039;t like it, don&#039;t use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t speak to the M9, I have a used M8 I picked up four years ago, but here&#8217;s my take: </p>
<p>First let me agree with the critics, Leicas are absurdly expensive. It&#8217;s a combination of the Leica &#8220;name&#8221; (sometimes called the &#8220;Leica Tax&#8221;), the collector&#8217;s market and the fact that they are still hand manufactured by the &#8220;Gnomes at Solms.&#8221; The rangefinder in particular is a complicated mechanical part, as is the linkage between the rangefinder and lens. The lenses are similarly made (I hear it takes a year to make a Noctilux). Luckily you can find lenses on the used market (advantages of keeping the same lens mount for 50+ years) and Cosina/Zeiss make some nice, cheaper alternatives to the Leica glass.</p>
<p>Technically, digital Leica rangefinders are also well behind the times. High ISO performance is poor compared to the latest and greatest in the SLR world.</p>
<p>That said, I enjoy shooting with my Leica more than any other camera (aside from the Epson R-D1 that got me started in the rangefinder world). It feels comfortable in my hand. The weight is right for extended use (I carried it around for 12 hours a day on a trip to the South Caucasus with no discomfort). The lenses are tiny, so the whole kit fits in a small bag. I find focusing with the rangefinder suits me, since you can see beyond the frame and I find it easier to pinpoint focus (I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m very fast though). I also like the physical controls (shutter speed, aperture), and I have learned a lot about photography from using them.</p>
<p>I also find I like the images I produce with the Leica more than those I take with others. I think it encourages me to be more deliberate in my shooting, and some combination of the lenses and sensor gives a rather appealing rendition of my subject (you might be able to get the same look with a Lightroom profile, but I haven&#8217;t found it yet).</p>
<p>So, basically what I&#8217;m saying is this. Find a camera you like using and stick with it. I have more fun and get pictures I love with my under spec-ed and overpriced Leica. If you don&#8217;t like it, don&#8217;t use it.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Royalty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Royalty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_distortion_(photography)

Their retrofocus (and reverse retrofocus) designs were responsible for this... when you can get closer to the film plane without a mirror box, you don`t need as much magnification, so you don`t get the longer lens perspective effect.Others did this, but Leica was known for doing it the best.</description>
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<p>Their retrofocus (and reverse retrofocus) designs were responsible for this&#8230; when you can get closer to the film plane without a mirror box, you don`t need as much magnification, so you don`t get the longer lens perspective effect.Others did this, but Leica was known for doing it the best.</p>
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		<title>By: soap</title>
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		<dc:creator>soap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The physical size of the photosensitive part of the photosite is not higly relevant in a stacked sensor with microlenses.  Few photons get wasted due to the on-sensor wiring and non-photosensitive components.  

DXOlabs  publishes both normalized (subsampled data which equalizes values to an image level) and straight-up per-pixel data.  You will see comparing like-to-like that CMOS stomps all over CCD today.  A large part of this is the fact that manufactures have made great strides in moving the ADCs closer to the photosite, Nikon/Sony have moved the ADCs on-die to even more significantly reduce noise levels.  That can&#039;t be done with traditional CCD technology.

Regardless, all the high-sensitivity sensors are CMOS today.  The fact that medium format CCD sensors can&#039;t achieve the light sensitivity (on an image, not pixel level) of an inexpensive APS CMOS sensor despite a significant physical advantage only underlines the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The physical size of the photosensitive part of the photosite is not higly relevant in a stacked sensor with microlenses.  Few photons get wasted due to the on-sensor wiring and non-photosensitive components.  </p>
<p>DXOlabs  publishes both normalized (subsampled data which equalizes values to an image level) and straight-up per-pixel data.  You will see comparing like-to-like that CMOS stomps all over CCD today.  A large part of this is the fact that manufactures have made great strides in moving the ADCs closer to the photosite, Nikon/Sony have moved the ADCs on-die to even more significantly reduce noise levels.  That can&#8217;t be done with traditional CCD technology.</p>
<p>Regardless, all the high-sensitivity sensors are CMOS today.  The fact that medium format CCD sensors can&#8217;t achieve the light sensitivity (on an image, not pixel level) of an inexpensive APS CMOS sensor despite a significant physical advantage only underlines the point.</p>
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		<title>By: NoneL</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoneL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or these:
 http://boingboing.net/2012/12/06/audiophile.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or these:<br />
 http://boingboing.net/2012/12/06/audiophile.html</p>
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		<title>By: NoneL</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoneL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s a shoe-in for that $4000 HDMI cable thing. </description>
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		<title>By: Matthew Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Perspective is simply a matter of where you stand — nothing a lens can do can affect that (other than tilt/shift, which I don&#039;t think you mean). To get perspective equivalent to that perceived with the eye, you simply make a print of the right size and viewing distance to match. The &quot;compromise&quot; normal lens is generally about right for a 8x10 at arm&#039;s length. For perspective to appear normal for a wider lens, you need either a larger print or to look more closely. Likewise, for a photo from a longer lens to look as the real world does to our eyes, it needs to be smaller or further away.

I don&#039;t think there&#039;s anything particularly magical that Leitz lenses could do to change this. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Perspective is simply a matter of where you stand — nothing a lens can do can affect that (other than tilt/shift, which I don&#8217;t think you mean). To get perspective equivalent to that perceived with the eye, you simply make a print of the right size and viewing distance to match. The &#8220;compromise&#8221; normal lens is generally about right for a 8&#215;10 at arm&#8217;s length. For perspective to appear normal for a wider lens, you need either a larger print or to look more closely. Likewise, for a photo from a longer lens to look as the real world does to our eyes, it needs to be smaller or further away.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s anything particularly magical that Leitz lenses could do to change this. </p>
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		<title>By: Rick Keir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Keir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try half of Life Magazine&#039;s or National Geographic&#039;s iconic photos. Google &quot;Magnum Photos&quot; for the most famous photojournalism agency of the 20th Century and then realize that most of those people used Leicas. Try Bresson&#039;s &quot;The Decisive Moment&quot;. Try Nick Ut&#039;s photo of a Vietnamese girl running down the road in a napalm attack, or David Douglas Duncan&#039;s shot of Marine Captain Ike Fenton in Korea, &quot;Thousand Yard Stare&quot;.

The manual focus rangefinder has largely been replaced by autofocus SLRs for good reasons, but the implication that it&#039;s only for &quot;celebrities holding Leicas&quot; is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try half of Life Magazine&#8217;s or National Geographic&#8217;s iconic photos. Google &#8220;Magnum Photos&#8221; for the most famous photojournalism agency of the 20th Century and then realize that most of those people used Leicas. Try Bresson&#8217;s &#8220;The Decisive Moment&#8221;. Try Nick Ut&#8217;s photo of a Vietnamese girl running down the road in a napalm attack, or David Douglas Duncan&#8217;s shot of Marine Captain Ike Fenton in Korea, &#8220;Thousand Yard Stare&#8221;.</p>
<p>The manual focus rangefinder has largely been replaced by autofocus SLRs for good reasons, but the implication that it&#8217;s only for &#8220;celebrities holding Leicas&#8221; is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Royalty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Royalty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes...for want of a better term off the top of my aging head :-) To elaborate...Leitz lenses due to their  design had perspective distortion about 10mm better than their rated focal length. A Leitz 40mm produced perspective about the same as 50mm on an SLR. 

Perspective distortion is (roughly) a function of focal length (magnification). With wide angle lenses, closer objects appear closer than distant objects (expanded perspective)... with telephoto lenses perspective is compressed. This is different than say, the typical barrel or pincushion distortion that you see produced by wide angle lenses.

An ideal lens would be able to produce the same perspective and field of view as the human eye. Using the 24x36 frame as a reference, a 30mm lens gives (roughly) the same field of view, but a 70mm lens the same perspective. The compromise is the standard 50mm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes&#8230;for want of a better term off the top of my aging head :-) To elaborate&#8230;Leitz lenses due to their  design had perspective distortion about 10mm better than their rated focal length. A Leitz 40mm produced perspective about the same as 50mm on an SLR. </p>
<p>Perspective distortion is (roughly) a function of focal length (magnification). With wide angle lenses, closer objects appear closer than distant objects (expanded perspective)&#8230; with telephoto lenses perspective is compressed. This is different than say, the typical barrel or pincushion distortion that you see produced by wide angle lenses.</p>
<p>An ideal lens would be able to produce the same perspective and field of view as the human eye. Using the 24&#215;36 frame as a reference, a 30mm lens gives (roughly) the same field of view, but a 70mm lens the same perspective. The compromise is the standard 50mm.</p>
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