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		<title>By: nemryn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/colder-than-the-coldest-cold.html#comment-1621784</link>
		<dc:creator>nemryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> All of it.</description>
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		<title>By: Jason Fordham</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/colder-than-the-coldest-cold.html#comment-1620673</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Fordham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 21:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also covered by Nature at http://www.nature.com/news/quantum-gas-goes-below-absolute-zero-1.12146 - though the journalist there makes the &quot;clustered at the mean energy&quot; mistake.

Since T = dQ/dS, and S = k ln W, if you can create a system where adding energy reduces W, the number of ways the system can be in a similar configuration, then a positive dQ makes a negative dS.

Suppose you have a system of 50 magnets in a magnetic field. 49 of them are  aligned against the external field, and 1 with. This represents an energized system, with 49Q and 50 possible states. To spin the 50th magnet needs 1 Q, and then there will be only 1 possible configuration. 49Q and 50 ways becomes 50Q and 1 way.

dQ = Q, and dS = k(ln(1) - ln(50)) = - k ln(50); and T = -Q/(k ln(50)).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also covered by Nature at http://www.nature.com/news/quantum-gas-goes-below-absolute-zero-1.12146 &#8211; though the journalist there makes the &#8220;clustered at the mean energy&#8221; mistake.</p>
<p>Since T = dQ/dS, and S = k ln W, if you can create a system where adding energy reduces W, the number of ways the system can be in a similar configuration, then a positive dQ makes a negative dS.</p>
<p>Suppose you have a system of 50 magnets in a magnetic field. 49 of them are  aligned against the external field, and 1 with. This represents an energized system, with 49Q and 50 possible states. To spin the 50th magnet needs 1 Q, and then there will be only 1 possible configuration. 49Q and 50 ways becomes 50Q and 1 way.</p>
<p>dQ = Q, and dS = k(ln(1) &#8211; ln(50)) = &#8211; k ln(50); and T = -Q/(k ln(50)).</p>
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		<title>By: Listener43</title>
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		<dc:creator>Listener43</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 19:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> It is for comments such as yours that I continue to return to boingboing.
I fear too many other sites are breathing heavily de-phlogisticated air.
Well done, Boundegar, well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> It is for comments such as yours that I continue to return to boingboing.<br />
I fear too many other sites are breathing heavily de-phlogisticated air.<br />
Well done, Boundegar, well done.</p>
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		<title>By: Jorpho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jorpho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 18:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Moving&quot; is not quite as appropriate as &quot;vibrating&quot; in this instance.

If I&#039;m not mistaken, it would be most correct to say &quot;not moving relative to whatever is making the measurement of its position&quot;.  (This is of course rather problematic, as being able to precisely locate the relative position of an atom would be an uncertainty principle violation.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Moving&#8221; is not quite as appropriate as &#8220;vibrating&#8221; in this instance.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m not mistaken, it would be most correct to say &#8220;not moving relative to whatever is making the measurement of its position&#8221;.  (This is of course rather problematic, as being able to precisely locate the relative position of an atom would be an uncertainty principle violation.)</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Molloy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Molloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 17:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was my first thought too when I saw this article. Takes me back to my optoelectronics lectures, when describing negative kelvin in the context of lasers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was my first thought too when I saw this article. Takes me back to my optoelectronics lectures, when describing negative kelvin in the context of lasers.</p>
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		<title>By: Sigmund_Jung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sigmund_Jung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 05:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shouldn&#039;t we suppose any atom will always be moving, even at zero K? I mean, if you &quot;freeze&quot; it in a lab, it will still be travelling across the universe along with Earth, Solar system, Via Lactea, etc... I suppose you could freeze it relative to an hypotetical center of the Universe. It would actually be moving quite fast in relation to Earth. In that sense, is a temperature reading as relative as Einstein&#039;s Relativity? An alien would spot it as glowing? Could an atom be frozen from &quot;center of the universe&quot; point of view, but melting hot from our pov? Is the Sun actually a giant snowball?

That blows my mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shouldn&#8217;t we suppose any atom will always be moving, even at zero K? I mean, if you &#8220;freeze&#8221; it in a lab, it will still be travelling across the universe along with Earth, Solar system, Via Lactea, etc&#8230; I suppose you could freeze it relative to an hypotetical center of the Universe. It would actually be moving quite fast in relation to Earth. In that sense, is a temperature reading as relative as Einstein&#8217;s Relativity? An alien would spot it as glowing? Could an atom be frozen from &#8220;center of the universe&#8221; point of view, but melting hot from our pov? Is the Sun actually a giant snowball?</p>
<p>That blows my mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Promethean Sky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Promethean Sky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 04:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Dammit, you beat me to the joke.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Nordquist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Nordquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 03:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> See your July 2012 issues of Science: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/339/6115/52 for the paper of one cited author; that said, what is this garbage with an unlabeled graph and no citations, Livescience.com? Ulrich et al are doing fine taking the temperature of a superfluid and showing energy distribution consistent with having one, but claiming that he has a big-bang sucker (analagous to the dark-sucker lightbulb theory) isn&#039;t quite right. Moreover it ain&#039;t so that molecules at 0K are stopped; it would take more energy to hold them still than to let them be and woggle steadily. Negative temperatures are common enough in thermodynamics that way. In &#039;ideal gases&#039; here though, we see the Boltzman distribution of the laser cooling well mirrored, and a particular kind of A/C shining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> See your July 2012 issues of Science: <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/content/339/6115/52" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencemag.org/content/339/6115/52</a> for the paper of one cited author; that said, what is this garbage with an unlabeled graph and no citations, Livescience.com? Ulrich et al are doing fine taking the temperature of a superfluid and showing energy distribution consistent with having one, but claiming that he has a big-bang sucker (analagous to the dark-sucker lightbulb theory) isn&#8217;t quite right. Moreover it ain&#8217;t so that molecules at 0K are stopped; it would take more energy to hold them still than to let them be and woggle steadily. Negative temperatures are common enough in thermodynamics that way. In &#8216;ideal gases&#8217; here though, we see the Boltzman distribution of the laser cooling well mirrored, and a particular kind of A/C shining.</p>
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		<title>By: DevinC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DevinC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 02:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for that.  I knew something was badly awry when I read &quot;At the physically impossible-to-reach temperature of zero kelvin, ...atoms would stop moving&quot;, which is a common misconception about absolute zero.  The paragraph on negative temperatures in the Wikipedia article on absolute zero is both more concise and more informative than this piece. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for that.  I knew something was badly awry when I read &#8220;At the physically impossible-to-reach temperature of zero kelvin, &#8230;atoms would stop moving&#8221;, which is a common misconception about absolute zero.  The paragraph on negative temperatures in the Wikipedia article on absolute zero is both more concise and more informative than this piece. </p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Pautz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Pautz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://youtu.be/Xy0UBpagsu8</description>
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		<title>By: lavardera</title>
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		<dc:creator>lavardera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read that and it is indeed as crazy as it sounds. </description>
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		<title>By: bingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 00:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is indeed either nonsense or bad journalism.  an inverted state occupation happens in lasers, for example, and they have been referred to historically as &quot;negative temperature&quot; systems in textbooks.  also, one earlier physicist noted here that &quot;even&quot; 0K has never been achieved and, even if you could, the act of measuring it would increase it&#039;s temperature.  rubbish reporting and shameless salesmanship by the scientists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is indeed either nonsense or bad journalism.  an inverted state occupation happens in lasers, for example, and they have been referred to historically as &#8220;negative temperature&#8221; systems in textbooks.  also, one earlier physicist noted here that &#8220;even&#8221; 0K has never been achieved and, even if you could, the act of measuring it would increase it&#8217;s temperature.  rubbish reporting and shameless salesmanship by the scientists.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Another great explanation, thanks!</description>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See Phanatic&#039;s comment above.

I don&#039;t think zero molecular movement is possible (measuring the temperature requires probing it with a sensor; probing will require an exchange of energy, and this energy exchange will jiggle the molecules), but apparently it is possible in principle to have a collection of molecules whose beta value is zero.  Since temperature is the reciprocal of beta, though, such a substance would have an undefined (not zero) temperature.  

Based on Phanatic&#039;s comment and my own limited understanding of this issue, substances with zero or negative beta values will actually be &quot;hotter&quot; (more energetic) than substances with similar positive temperatures, but don&#039;t take my word on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See Phanatic&#8217;s comment above.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think zero molecular movement is possible (measuring the temperature requires probing it with a sensor; probing will require an exchange of energy, and this energy exchange will jiggle the molecules), but apparently it is possible in principle to have a collection of molecules whose beta value is zero.  Since temperature is the reciprocal of beta, though, such a substance would have an undefined (not zero) temperature.  </p>
<p>Based on Phanatic&#8217;s comment and my own limited understanding of this issue, substances with zero or negative beta values will actually be &#8220;hotter&#8221; (more energetic) than substances with similar positive temperatures, but don&#8217;t take my word on it.</p>
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		<title>By: AnthonyC</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnthonyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You didn&#039;t have to remove it, I was happy regardless. Sorry I didn&#039;t include a /s in my reply.</description>
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		<title>By: humanresource</title>
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		<dc:creator>humanresource</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy now?</description>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very cool.  I knew about the population inversion of energy states being the basis of lazing (?) for the more common varieties of laser but I did not realize that such a state would have a &quot;negative temperature&quot;.  I guess I need to study up on my thermo.

Thanks for the explanation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cool.  I knew about the population inversion of energy states being the basis of lazing (?) for the more common varieties of laser but I did not realize that such a state would have a &#8220;negative temperature&#8221;.  I guess I need to study up on my thermo.</p>
<p>Thanks for the explanation!</p>
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		<title>By: AnthonyC</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnthonyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Norman Ramsey came to my statistical mechanics class to teach it to us...</description>
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		<title>By: AnthonyC</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnthonyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way to give away the punchline.
http://filer.case.edu/dts8/thelastq.htm</description>
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<a href="http://filer.case.edu/dts8/thelastq.htm" rel="nofollow">http://filer.case.edu/dts8/thelastq.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: humanresource</title>
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		<dc:creator>humanresource</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...........</description>
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		<title>By: Dlo Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dlo Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s simple, you just push the rules of the universe to the near breaking point, and then everything runs on nonsenseium because god is out to lunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s simple, you just push the rules of the universe to the near breaking point, and then everything runs on nonsenseium because god is out to lunch.</p>
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		<title>By: theophrastvs</title>
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		<dc:creator>theophrastvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you very much.  the linked article didn&#039;t explain it this well, the wikipedia page that i read didn&#039;t explain it this well, and i was left assuming this was utter crank crap (ala: &quot;Lisa, in this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!&quot;).  your explanation made it ~sensible (for me)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you very much.  the linked article didn&#8217;t explain it this well, the wikipedia page that i read didn&#8217;t explain it this well, and i was left assuming this was utter crank crap (ala: &#8220;Lisa, in this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!&#8221;).  your explanation made it ~sensible (for me)</p>
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		<title>By: AndrewRegis</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndrewRegis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can the net amount of entropy of the universe be massively decreased?</description>
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		<title>By: plyx</title>
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		<dc:creator>plyx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s awesome! Exactly what my brain simulated an eargasm of.</description>
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		<title>By: AnthonyC</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnthonyC</dc:creator>
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		<description>This is nothing new. Negative Kelvin temperatures were first created in the lab by Norman Ramsey in the 1950&#039;s. And the quoted scientists are right, it isn&#039;t colder than 0K, it&#039;s hotter than infinite.

Just like with the supposed wierdness of quantum mechanics, the key insight is that the words don&#039;t mean what you think they do. To a physicist, temperature isn&#039;t &quot;The thing a thermometer measures,&quot; it&#039;s &quot;The derivative of energy with respect to entropy.&quot;

Energy (traditionally written as U) = just what you think, measured in joules
Entropy (traditionally written as S) = the logarithm of the number of ways it is possible to divide the available energy up among the degrees of freedom present in a system.
Temperature = dU/dS

For most systems, this does what you&#039;d expect. If you add energy to a gas, you can each each additional unit of energy to any molecule you want (making it go faster, vibrate more, ionize, whatever). So entropy always goes up when you add energy - and so dU/dS is always positive.

But put iron atoms in a magnetic field, and there are only 2 magnetic states - parallel to the field or opposed to it. The lowest energy state is every atom aligned, the highest energy states is every atom opposed. Both of these are states of zero entropy - there is only 1 arrangement of energy that achieves them. So to get from one to the other entropy must go up, then down as you add energy - meaning temperature (dU/dS) is first positive then negative. In practice you make such a system by aligning the magnet to an external field, then rapidly reversing the external field. Not a practical heat in engine, since that takes more work than the &quot;bonus&quot; you&#039;d get out by using the result in a carnot-equivalent cycle. And actually, it isn&#039;t clear that there *is* a way to make a carnot-equivalent engine for such a system.

So yeah, the Kelvin scale is defined in a way that doesn&#039;t go from negative infinity to positive infinity. It looks qualitatively like a tangent curve: zero to positive infinity, jump to negative infinity, to zero.

Which, of course, really made me laugh when I played the Sims 3 and earned the &quot;-1 Kelvin refrigerator.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is nothing new. Negative Kelvin temperatures were first created in the lab by Norman Ramsey in the 1950&#8242;s. And the quoted scientists are right, it isn&#8217;t colder than 0K, it&#8217;s hotter than infinite.</p>
<p>Just like with the supposed wierdness of quantum mechanics, the key insight is that the words don&#8217;t mean what you think they do. To a physicist, temperature isn&#8217;t &#8220;The thing a thermometer measures,&#8221; it&#8217;s &#8220;The derivative of energy with respect to entropy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Energy (traditionally written as U) = just what you think, measured in joules<br />
Entropy (traditionally written as S) = the logarithm of the number of ways it is possible to divide the available energy up among the degrees of freedom present in a system.<br />
Temperature = dU/dS</p>
<p>For most systems, this does what you&#8217;d expect. If you add energy to a gas, you can each each additional unit of energy to any molecule you want (making it go faster, vibrate more, ionize, whatever). So entropy always goes up when you add energy &#8211; and so dU/dS is always positive.</p>
<p>But put iron atoms in a magnetic field, and there are only 2 magnetic states &#8211; parallel to the field or opposed to it. The lowest energy state is every atom aligned, the highest energy states is every atom opposed. Both of these are states of zero entropy &#8211; there is only 1 arrangement of energy that achieves them. So to get from one to the other entropy must go up, then down as you add energy &#8211; meaning temperature (dU/dS) is first positive then negative. In practice you make such a system by aligning the magnet to an external field, then rapidly reversing the external field. Not a practical heat in engine, since that takes more work than the &#8220;bonus&#8221; you&#8217;d get out by using the result in a carnot-equivalent cycle. And actually, it isn&#8217;t clear that there *is* a way to make a carnot-equivalent engine for such a system.</p>
<p>So yeah, the Kelvin scale is defined in a way that doesn&#8217;t go from negative infinity to positive infinity. It looks qualitatively like a tangent curve: zero to positive infinity, jump to negative infinity, to zero.</p>
<p>Which, of course, really made me laugh when I played the Sims 3 and earned the &#8220;-1 Kelvin refrigerator.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: digi_owl</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kinda like how you can get time to go backwards in physics, but not in reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kinda like how you can get time to go backwards in physics, but not in reality.</p>
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		<title>By: digi_owl</title>
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		<dc:creator>digi_owl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That, or some universe programmer used a signed variable when he should have used a unsigned one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That, or some universe programmer used a signed variable when he should have used a unsigned one&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AnthonyC</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnthonyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it is not the same thing- it can be well described as a classical phenomenon. Look up &quot;two state paramagnet&quot; in a statistical mechanics textbook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it is not the same thing- it can be well described as a classical phenomenon. Look up &#8220;two state paramagnet&#8221; in a statistical mechanics textbook.</p>
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		<title>By: Boundegar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boundegar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over nine thousand.</description>
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		<title>By: Boundegar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boundegar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly hope this is terrible journalism, because I was left thinking either that or some con artists bamboozled Science magazine.  It ended up sounding like phlogiston.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly hope this is terrible journalism, because I was left thinking either that or some con artists bamboozled Science magazine.  It ended up sounding like phlogiston.</p>
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