Comments on: Mutiny on the Skylab http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Fri, 24 May 2013 18:20:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: cdh1971 http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1620357 cdh1971 Fri, 04 Jan 2013 08:41:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1620357 Gratias agimos tibi propter magnam gloram tuam. Laudamos te, dude. Gratias agimos tibi propter magnam gloram tuam. Laudamos te, dude.

]]> By: bill_mcgonigle http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1620341 bill_mcgonigle Fri, 04 Jan 2013 06:34:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1620341  And it wasn't even a mutiny.  To put this in Boing-Boing terms, if Picard, Riker, and Data all agree to tell Starfleet to get stuffed, that's disobeying orders.  If Riker and Data decide to relieve Picard of duty, that's mutiny.  In this case, Carr=Picard, Pogue=Riker, Gibson=Data.   And I didn't see any indication that Carr wasn't a participant in this plan.  And it wasn’t even a mutiny.  To put this in Boing-Boing terms, if Picard, Riker, and Data all agree to tell Starfleet to get stuffed, that’s disobeying orders.  If Riker and Data decide to relieve Picard of duty, that’s mutiny.  In this case, Carr=Picard, Pogue=Riker, Gibson=Data.   And I didn’t see any indication that Carr wasn’t a participant in this plan.

]]> By: signsofrain http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1620191 signsofrain Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:43:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1620191 The best space mutiny will be mutiny on Mars. The best space mutiny will be mutiny on Mars.

]]> By: anansi133 http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1620060 anansi133 Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:06:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1620060 If the instructions coming from the ground don't make sense or don't apply to the situation in space, it's the duty of the crew to take the necessary action. Officers are expected to obey their conscience over their orders, though that won't excuse them from a court marshal. That these three never flew again probably has more to do with the 7 year gap between skylab and the shuttle. If the instructions coming from the ground don’t make sense or don’t apply to the situation in space, it’s the duty of the crew to take the necessary action. Officers are expected to obey their conscience over their orders, though that won’t excuse them from a court marshal. That these three never flew again probably has more to do with the 7 year gap between skylab and the shuttle.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619996 Antinous / Moderator Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:26:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619996 Mission Control's job is to support the mission, which means supporting the astronauts among other things. If they failed to do that, they should have been fired. Mission Control’s job is to support the mission, which means supporting the astronauts among other things. If they failed to do that, they should have been fired.

]]> By: digi_owl http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619993 digi_owl Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:23:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619993 I did 48 hours wake once, binge drinking would be easier for the same effect. I did 48 hours wake once, binge drinking would be easier for the same effect.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619977 Antinous / Moderator Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:07:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619977 Do you not know how hard Ed Harris fought for astronauts to have some independence of action?  While Fred Willard repeated, "Fuckin' A, Bubba!" Do you not know how hard Ed Harris fought for astronauts to have some independence of action?  While Fred Willard repeated, “Fuckin’ A, Bubba!”

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619968 Antinous / Moderator Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:59:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619968 From this photo, it looks like they were starving them.  Maybe they were just hypoglycemic. From this photo, it looks like they were starving them.  Maybe they were just hypoglycemic.

]]> By: ocker3 http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619828 ocker3 Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:12:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619828  Yup, 6,051 divided by 84 days, divided by 3 crew, ends up being 24 hours for work, per day, per person, for 84 days. Don't people start to go nuts after 3 days up straight, even with stimulants?  Yup, 6,051 divided by 84 days, divided by 3 crew, ends up being 24 hours for work, per day, per person, for 84 days. Don’t people start to go nuts after 3 days up straight, even with stimulants?

]]> By: SanchezHoolihoo http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619805 SanchezHoolihoo Thu, 03 Jan 2013 19:32:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619805 This is an accurate history of the situation according to Pogue and Carr. What it did leave out was an incident at launch where Pogue threw up into his launch suit. Carr decided not to tell Mission Control about the incident (to keep Pogue from embarrassment) but sensors in the suit started showing ground that something was off. When Carr admitted the failure to report, Mission Control got really rude, on line, with open channels to the media. The dressing Carr took was the first public embarrassment of any Astronaut (who were at that time just one slim dime from being gods in the eyes of the public and their own) and set up the mutiny. This is an accurate history of the situation according to Pogue and Carr. What it did leave out was an incident at launch where Pogue threw up into his launch suit. Carr decided not to tell Mission Control about the incident (to keep Pogue from embarrassment) but sensors in the suit started showing ground that something was off. When Carr admitted the failure to report, Mission Control got really rude, on line, with open channels to the media. The dressing Carr took was the first public embarrassment of any Astronaut (who were at that time just one slim dime from being gods in the eyes of the public and their own) and set up the mutiny.

]]> By: LinkMan http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619775 LinkMan Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:42:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619775  Precursor to the TSA's "Do you want to fly today?"  Precursor to the TSA’s “Do you want to fly today?”

]]> By: LinkMan http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619776 LinkMan Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:42:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619776 They made the fourth guy walk the plank. They made the fourth guy walk the plank.

]]> By: PhosPhorious http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619769 PhosPhorious Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:35:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619769  "You can't fire me into orbit. . .  I QUIT!"  ”You can’t fire me into orbit. . .  I QUIT!”

]]> By: Brandon Blatcher http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619766 Brandon Blatcher Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:32:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619766 One of the "problems" was that the proceeding crew, Skylab 3, blew the chains off the productivity scale, so NASA was probably expecting something similar with Skylab 4. Once Mission Control backed off, the crew wound up completing more work than had been assigned. But turning off the communications to ground control? I can see why they never flew in space again, nobody puts Mission Control in a corner.  One of the “problems” was that the proceeding crew, Skylab 3, blew the chains off the productivity scale, so NASA was probably expecting something similar with Skylab 4. Once Mission Control backed off, the crew wound up completing more work than had been assigned.

But turning off the communications to ground control? I can see why they never flew in space again, nobody puts Mission Control in a corner. 

]]> By: CH http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619759 CH Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:29:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619759 Yeah... because it's a "specialized, potentially dangerous activity" I would assume ground control suggesting that the astronauts should work through their meal times and rest days wouldn't be the brightest of ideas. Yeah… because it’s a “specialized, potentially dangerous activity” I would assume ground control suggesting that the astronauts should work through their meal times and rest days wouldn’t be the brightest of ideas.

]]> By: knappa http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619750 knappa Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:22:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619750 Maybe the NASA folks on the ground weren't the best managers. Maybe the NASA folks on the ground weren’t the best managers.

]]> By: agonist http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619726 agonist Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:01:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619726 Huh. It never occurred to me that astronauts would not do what they were told. Space flight is such a specialized, potentially dangerous activity that I just assumed that NASA and the astronauts would be in perfect sync about missions. The article mentions the astronauts were rookies. Maybe they were not the best astronauts. Huh. It never occurred to me that astronauts would not do what they were told. Space flight is such a specialized, potentially dangerous activity that I just assumed that NASA and the astronauts would be in perfect sync about missions.

The article mentions the astronauts were rookies. Maybe they were not the best astronauts.

]]> By: PhosPhorious http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619706 PhosPhorious Thu, 03 Jan 2013 17:41:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619706 "They announced an unscheduled day off, turned off the communications radio, and got some rest. . ." Reading the word "mutiny," I was kind of hoping for attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion or something. . . . “They announced an unscheduled day off, turned off the communications radio, and got some rest. . .”

Reading the word “mutiny,” I was kind of hoping for attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion or something. . . .

]]> By: bcsizemo http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619700 bcsizemo Thu, 03 Jan 2013 17:36:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619700 If I was an astronaut I don't think I'd mind assuming you'd have given me some warning before heading to sleep.  Because if not, having a low volume single beep wake me from my slumber inside a sealed vessel sitting in a vacuum thousands of miles above the Earth...yeah I'd probably freak the fuck out.  It's not like in my house where I can just go, "Oh I'll figure it out later." and not worry about the potential lack of oxygen. If I was an astronaut I don’t think I’d mind assuming you’d have given me some warning before heading to sleep.  Because if not, having a low volume single beep wake me from my slumber inside a sealed vessel sitting in a vacuum thousands of miles above the Earth…yeah I’d probably freak the fuck out.  It’s not like in my house where I can just go, “Oh I’ll figure it out later.” and not worry about the potential lack of oxygen.

]]> By: Felton / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619693 Felton / Moderator Thu, 03 Jan 2013 17:22:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619693 "Take this space mission and shove it!" “Take this space mission and shove it!”

]]> By: creesto http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619689 creesto Thu, 03 Jan 2013 17:19:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619689 My pops worked for IBM and they had a contract with NASA to work together on Skylab, so we moved to Houston. We lived in Clear Lake Forest, where the most of the astronaut families lived, and at night we would stand in the street and, with the naked eye, track Skylab  as it passed overhead. That was a great time to be so close to those invovled in the Space Race. My pops worked for IBM and they had a contract with NASA to work together on Skylab, so we moved to Houston. We lived in Clear Lake Forest, where the most of the astronaut families lived, and at night we would stand in the street and, with the naked eye, track Skylab  as it passed overhead. That was a great time to be so close to those invovled in the Space Race.

]]> By: Nash Rambler http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619682 Nash Rambler Thu, 03 Jan 2013 17:10:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619682 "You'll never work in this orbit again!" “You’ll never work in this orbit again!”

]]> By: Souse http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619678 Souse Thu, 03 Jan 2013 17:03:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619678 Actually, the Apollo 7 mission had a lot of crew strife:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_7 None of the 3 astronauts from that mission ever flew in space again. Actually, the Apollo 7 mission had a lot of crew strife:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_7

None of the 3 astronauts from that mission ever flew in space again.

]]> By: Bill Farrar http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619676 Bill Farrar Thu, 03 Jan 2013 17:02:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619676 So NASA actually learned something from the strike? So NASA actually learned something from the strike?

]]> By: nowimnothing http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619666 nowimnothing Thu, 03 Jan 2013 16:52:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619666 I am guessing that some experiments and such could be running while they were doing other things, sleeping or multitasking. I am guessing that some experiments and such could be running while they were doing other things, sleeping or multitasking.

]]> By: Benjamin Palmer http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619661 Benjamin Palmer Thu, 03 Jan 2013 16:49:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619661 Don't you get a tiny time travel effect when in orbit due to the high speed relative to the earth's surface? So 24 hours a day for all 3 of them plus working any bonus time earned due to relativity. No slacking! Don’t you get a tiny time travel effect when in orbit due to the high speed relative to the earth’s surface? So 24 hours a day for all 3 of them plus working any bonus time earned due to relativity. No slacking!

]]> By: Boundegar http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619649 Boundegar Thu, 03 Jan 2013 16:32:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619649 Something is wrong with the story: "Skylab 4 broke all duration records. Carr, Pogue, and Gibson launched on November 16, 1973, on a demanding 84 day mission. Their plan called for a total of 6,051 working hours between the three men..." That works out to just over 24 hours per day, which is beyond the endurance of even heroic astronauts. Something is wrong with the story:

“Skylab 4 broke all duration records. Carr, Pogue, and Gibson launched on November 16, 1973, on a demanding 84 day mission. Their plan called for a total of 6,051 working hours between the three men…”

That works out to just over 24 hours per day, which is beyond the endurance of even heroic astronauts.

]]> By: Greg Miller http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/mutiny-on-the-skylab.html#comment-1619642 Greg Miller Thu, 03 Jan 2013 16:24:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=203840#comment-1619642 You can still see the effects of this on scheduling for ISS - I've worked ground support for payloads on the space station, and one of the general scheduling rules is basically "Thou shalt not touch the astronaut's mealtimes, personal time, or rack time." We had a payload that was basically a linux computer that controlled a refrigerator, and we weren't even allowed to issue a reboot command during sleep periods because it cause a single, low-volume beep. You can still see the effects of this on scheduling for ISS – I’ve worked ground support for payloads on the space station, and one of the general scheduling rules is basically “Thou shalt not touch the astronaut’s mealtimes, personal time, or rack time.” We had a payload that was basically a linux computer that controlled a refrigerator, and we weren’t even allowed to issue a reboot command during sleep periods because it cause a single, low-volume beep.

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